IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 September 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:11 | <Dutch_master> thx for your time folks, I'm off!
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| 07:24 | <Hyperbyte> mhm
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| 07:24 | If only he'd have mentioned what OS/browser he was using...
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| 07:32 | <knipwim> hey Hyperbyte, a bit offtopic question
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| 07:33 | but how do you reply to a mailinglist topic when you're not a subscriber
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| 07:36 | <knipwim> and i don't want to send at the end of the thread
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| 07:39 | <Hyperbyte> You can't send any e-mails to mailing lists if you're not subscribed, reply or otherwise.
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| 07:40 | Else mailing lists would be spammed to death... imagine sending one e-mail to an address, and thousands of people receiving it
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| 07:40 | That'd be awesome for spammers.
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| 07:41 | <knipwim> To post a message to all the list members, send email to openchrome-users@openchrome.org
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| 07:41 | without subscribing
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| 07:42 | so i figured i could reply to a topic
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| 07:43 | it's so frustrating
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| 07:43 | why isn't there a unified bug/forum system, one architecture/login system for all these projects
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| 07:53 | <Hyperbyte> knipwim, I really doubt it is without subscribing
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| 16:24 | <markit> hi alkisg, a short report of yesterday and today... I've re-installed from scratch ltsp on a server using your repo
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> Hi markit
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| 16:25 | <markit> with kde and nfs I've kdeinit4 and kmix crashing
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| 16:25 | with sshfs not
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| 16:25 | as far as I remember, with "normal" ltsp repo I had problems with sshfs and not nfs...
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| 16:25 | unfortunately when you work short in time and very stressed
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| 16:25 | is hard have a clear picture of what you are doing
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| 16:25 | <alkisg> I don't think the newer ltsp version has anything to do with sshfs vs nfs
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| 16:26 | <markit> me too, I just report facts, I'll have to do more experiment but using kde seems a real problem
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> But here we let sshfs which is the default, and we're not using nfs anymore
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| 16:26 | <markit> today I turned on all 18 fat clients, only 17 were on epoptes
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| 16:26 | <alkisg> Also atheros NICs had problems with NFS, they required special nfs options
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| 16:27 | <markit> I restarted the "faulty" one (that worked fine on it's own, I could login with an user and work)
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> Try `epoptes-client` manually from pc18 and check for errors
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| 16:27 | <markit> and nothing... at the 3° restart it appeared
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| 16:27 | alkisg: let me ask this about exports
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| 16:27 | I used this line: /home *(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
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| 16:28 | since I had teh kdeinit4 error, I googled and I've found a lot of ltsp related articles using this one instead
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| 16:28 | '/home *(ro,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)
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| 16:28 | <mjt> blah
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| 16:28 | <markit> but with this, I can't even have the deskotp
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> ro home? That doesn't sound ok
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| 16:28 | <markit> ah!!!
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| 16:28 | I did not noticed, lol
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| 16:29 | that explains the lnusercache (infamous) error I got
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| 16:29 | <mjt> no_root_squash is when you want to login as root remotely
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| 16:29 | i don't think this is what you want :)
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| 16:30 | <markit> that's the power of google and ignorance combined ;P
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| 16:30 | <mjt> (ie, so processes running on client as root have all root powers on your server)
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| 16:30 | <markit> and my luck to find the wrong article in top position
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> markit: btw, did you know there's an ubuntu-defaults-it package, with which you can build localized ubuntu live CDs, that contain all the italian langpacks? (and, if you want, also the greek schools ppa...)
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| 16:31 | <markit> alkisg: interesting if I had time... I've found that live cd or usbkey look good, but the teachers I've to talk with are too ignorant
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| 16:31 | to get the concept
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| 16:31 | they try to open it in windows and complain "it does not run"
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| 16:31 | even if I carefully explained them and show how to boot from cd in their laptop
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| 16:32 | I was shocked :(
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| 16:32 | computer IS windows
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| 16:32 | it's what you need to run whatever program or OS or whatever
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| 16:32 | alkisg: reading back to what you said
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| 16:32 | no nfs anymore????
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| 16:33 | also I've found your repo ltsp version has no --arch= parameter, correct?
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> We're not using nfs by default anymore, no
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| 16:33 | <markit> alkisg: time ago you told me that nfs had advantaces over sshfs, has things changed in the meantime?
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| 16:33 | <alkisg> markit: ltsp-update-image <arch>
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| 16:34 | The --arch parameter was dropped, it's only there in ltsp-build-client now
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| 16:34 | <markit> (is not "accusation", just to understand what is going on)
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> NFS is supposed to be faster, it has less problems, it's a real filesystem instead of a fuse-based one etc
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| 16:34 | So yeah it's supposedly better, BUT
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| 16:35 | It had problems with some NICs like Atheros that made /home unmountable,
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| 16:35 | And, it didn'd allow for "follow symlinks", which is very handy for shared folders
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| 16:35 | <markit> (thought atheros produced only wifi chipsets)
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> So, since usually under /home we don't care much about the special file system attributes/locks/whatever, we switched to the default sshfs, and we don't have any complains _yet_
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| 16:36 | We'll see over time if it was the correct decision to make
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| 16:36 | atl1c, atl1e etc are atheros wired ethernet cards
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| 16:36 | And they completely hanged unless you provided specific nfs options
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| 16:37 | (something about frame size, I don't remember exactly)
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| 16:37 | Also, upstart had problems with portmap, and required "nolock" in nfs options
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| 16:37 | That was another drawback for nfs
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| 16:37 | <markit> I see... I have problems with cache of kde and SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS, don't remember if is true or false
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| 16:37 | dinner time, thanks a lot for the info
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| 16:37 | see you later :)
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> np
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