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Channel log from 31 October 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:55 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 13:03 | <sandeep> All, I have stumbled on a opportunity to build LTSP cluster for a college, for 100 concurrent users. Could you please recommend the hardware specs ? Thank you!
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| 14:42 | <mikec> would anyone happen to know why, when i do an "apt-get remove compiz" it also removes ubuntu-desktop? I tried adding ubuntu-desktop back, but it will also bring back compiz
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| 14:42 | now its getting more odd, since i'm trying to install ubuntu-desktop (and thus get my ubuntu-2d environment) it never shows up in my sessions options in ldm
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| 14:42 | only shows my failsafe mode
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| 14:42 | so when I log in im getting just the blank desktop screen
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| 14:43 | usually when i "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" I can then see Ubuntu 2D as an option, but thats no longer happening
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| 14:44 | actually the command I ran was apt-get install remove --purge compiz
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| 15:04 | <highvoltage> mikec: ubuntu-desktop depends on unity which depends on compiz
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| 15:05 | mikec: ubuntu-2d was removed in 12.10, so it's just an empty package there
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| 15:06 | <andygraybeal> do i need to worry about network-manager in ubuntu 12.04 desktop?
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| 15:06 | if i do a apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
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| 15:07 | <mikec> so what should I be installing in order to get a working desktop environment? I would like it to automatically load that environment when users log in.
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| 15:37 | <sbalneav> mikec: well, that's a problem these days.
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| 15:37 | I'm facing it at work myself.
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| 15:37 | Currently, I'm helping out over in #mate, on the Mate desktop.
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| 15:38 | http://mate-desktop.org/
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| 15:38 | which is basically a re-invigoration of the older gnome-2 desktop.
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| 15:38 | Which should work fine with LTSP.
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| 15:39 | There are packages for quantal
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| 15:40 | <gvy> sbalneav, yay, glad to know you're there ;-)
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| 15:40 | next mainstream altlinux release will ship with mate as the main desktop, btw
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| 15:50 | <||cw> interesting. can the apps be used on their own? I do miss the old Nautilus
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| 15:51 | the rest I'm not sure why they forked, especially terminal
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> sbalneav: how much future does a gtk2-based DE have? Are there any plans for a future gtk3 port?
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| 16:14 | * alkisg would rather see mate developers help out with gnome-fallback in gnome3... | |
| 16:15 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, are you using fallback or unity?
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| 16:15 | or both?
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> andygraybeal: fallback, I couldn't get used to unity, and it doesn't work with thin clients anyway
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| 16:16 | We even made a custom CD for Greek schools with fallback preinstalled + preselected
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| 16:16 | <andygraybeal> ah why doesn't it work with thin clients? (i got it to work with thin client in my test environment)
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> You probably got unity-2d working
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| 16:16 | <andygraybeal> ah yes, unity-23
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| 16:16 | err 2d
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| 16:16 | <alkisg> ...which was dropped from 12.10 on
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| 16:16 | <andygraybeal> oMG crap.
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| 16:16 | okay
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| 16:17 | thank you for letting me know. i didn't mind unity 2d.
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> If unity-2d was to get wide support I wouldn't mind trying harder to get used to it
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| 16:18 | But now that it's being dropped, and with unity-3d not running on thin clients or older hardware or nouveau based hardware etc etc.... it's not worth it
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| 16:19 | <andygraybeal> alkisg, okay good. thank you.
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> And with gnome-fallback also going away in the future, we'll probably switch to LXDE for 14.04
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| 16:19 | <sbalneav> alkisg: How much future does *anything* have? :) As much as people are willing to put work into it, I suppose. IceWM's still around and kicking. Ubuntu barely supported unity-2d for 2 years before they dropped it.
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| 16:19 | <andygraybeal> ah lxde ... my users will love me.
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| 16:20 | i'll follow whatever you guys do. that's all that matters to me.
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| 16:20 | <sbalneav> Cool, we have a minion! :)
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> :)
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| 16:20 | <andygraybeal> :)
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| 16:21 | <sbalneav> I can dress up like the penguin, and andygraybeal can wear the outfit that says "henchman", and we can take on batman!
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| 16:21 | <andygraybeal> nice, i am very good at using a scythe.
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| 16:21 | i take care of 3 acres of field with it.
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| 16:22 | i've always been fond of killing people with it if you need my services.
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| 16:22 | <alkisg> It's halloween there now, right? /me would love to see sbalneav in a penguin suit :D
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| 16:22 | <sbalneav> http://www.dialbforblog.com/archives/284/
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| 16:22 | nanananananananana BATMAN!
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| 16:23 | BATMAN BATMAN BATMAN!
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| 16:23 | *biff*
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| 16:23 | *pow*
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| 16:23 | <andygraybeal> what is the command to install ubuntu-desktop-fallback without network-manager?
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| 16:23 | <sbalneav> *zowie*
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| 16:24 | <andygraybeal> aah.. can i install 'gnome-session-fallback' without installing 'ubuntu-desktop' meta package first?
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| 16:24 | i should just try it.
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| 16:25 | <andygraybeal> i need to setup dyndns for home.
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| 16:32 | <andygraybeal> i will do whatever you guys do, but i can't imagine using ldxe :)
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| 16:33 | but i will do it if you move that way.
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> andygraybeal: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxNzg
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| 16:35 | Ubuntu Developers Realize Need For Non-3D Desktop
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| 16:36 | Rather than maintaining Unity 2D or some other desktop, some developers during the UDS session basically decided to just use Lubuntu, the LXDE version of Ubuntu.
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| 16:36 | <andygraybeal> interesting.
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| 16:36 | i'm not saying your making a bad decision, i hope you don't think that... i/m saying that i need to get used to LXDE :)
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| 16:36 | i will read the article now
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| 16:39 | <alkisg> As long as there's support for non 3d desktops in gnome, I'll stick to gnome too, but since they're dropping unity-2d and gnome-fallback, I don't see any alternatives...
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| 16:39 | Cinnamon also requires 3d, and I'm not sure if mate will be supported longer than unity-2d did
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| 16:44 | <gvy> alkisg, just in case there's also razor-qt
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> gvy: but are there any good non-KDE apps for Qt? Or does it require pulling all the KDE libs in the end, which in turn pull 600 Mb on each login etc?
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| 16:45 | (recent KDE versions behave very bad with ltsp)
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| 16:46 | I think since nokia dropped qt, the developers are switching away from it...
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| 17:01 | <andygraybeal> maybe we all should all move to debian?
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| 17:01 | <alkisg> Those are upstream decisions, the distro doesn't matter
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| 17:02 | <andygraybeal> okay, i don't undrestand what you said. i was thinking aloud i guess. especially with this 12.10 sends 'search information' to advertisers?
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| 17:07 | <andygraybeal> back
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| 17:07 | accidentally closed
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| 19:28 | <mikec> so if im still running Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (precise), i should be able to still run ubuntu-2d right? After I install ubuntu-desktop, I still don't get anything in my sessions drop down menu on the ldm login screen. all i get is the failsafe or default.
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| 19:28 | i guess im just really confused as to the point of any of this when there is no good desktop
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| 19:32 | <mikec> trying xubuntu right now
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| 19:42 | installed xubuntu, booted the thin-client, and still no other option listed in the Sessions pull down menu
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| 19:42 | what do I have to do to get this thing to refresh?
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| 19:43 | <vagrantc> installed on the server?
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| 19:43 | <mikec> on the app server yes
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| 19:43 | didn't have this issue a few weeks ago
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| 19:43 | seems like no matter what i install/remove for desktop managers, this little pull down menu doesn't update anymore
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> on the server, does /usr/sbin/ldminfod return the appropriate sessions?
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| 19:45 | <mikec> yes
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| 19:45 | neat, havent' heard of that little command before
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| 19:45 | but still makes me stumped
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| 19:45 | <vagrantc> in your chroot, do you have /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop files?
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| 19:46 | the presence of those might trigger it to think it's a fat client.
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| 19:47 | <mikec> checking...
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| 19:47 | <vagrantc> you should be able to force thin-client behavior with LTSP_FATCLIENT=false in lts.conf
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| 19:48 | yay. ltsp and ldm were accepted into backports.debian.org ...
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| 19:49 | so now you should be able to use the newer LTSP on the current stable version of debian...
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| 19:49 | * vagrantc will write up some docs soonish | |
| 19:50 | <mikec> there is no xsessions directory first of all, in chroot's /usr/share
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| 19:50 | <vagrantc> ok... hmmm.
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| 19:50 | <mikec> i wonder how that could be
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| 19:50 | <vagrantc> that's fine.
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| 19:50 | sorry, i have to head out ... hopefully someone else can step in to help
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| 19:51 | <mikec> thanks vagrant
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