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Channel log from 26 April 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:47 | <bluedragon> hello all
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| 03:47 | I'm trying to get LTSP 5 running under ununtu 7.04
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| 03:48 | I've got it to boot finally
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| 03:48 | It now stops at "Loading hardware drivers"
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| 03:48 | after mounting the nfs
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| 03:48 | any ideas anyone
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| 03:51 | <ogra> drop "quiet splash" from the line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 03:52 | then boot again and look what the error is
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| 03:52 | <bluedragon> not using pxe using etherboot.
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| 03:53 | <ogra> that shouldnt make a difference
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| 03:53 | ltsp configures both by default since edgy
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| 03:53 | <bluedragon> apart from etherboot not reading pxelinux.cfg
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| 03:54 | <ogra> err, right :)
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| 03:54 | <bluedragon> hang on that gives me an idea
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| 03:57 | change the mknbi-linux line and add "quite splash" to the append parameers
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| 03:58 | I get a fancy splash screen.
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| 03:58 | so I can safly say I was not using quiet splash in the first place.
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| 04:03 | <bluedragon> however I've now changed the append="rw" to append="ro"
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| 04:03 | and now I get Loading hardware drivers [FAIL]
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| 04:03 | LOading kernel modules
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| 04:04 | Loading manual drivers
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| 04:04 | then it stops
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| 04:05 | oh eventally with the splash screen it said somthing about time stamps but then my thin clients do not have a battary so proabably no clock!
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| 04:10 | <Nikopoika> hi guys
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| 04:27 | <phanste> hello
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| 04:28 | is it possible to install a bootsplash on ltsp-4.2 please ?
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| 04:39 | someone can answer me please ?
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| 04:40 | <bluedragon> yes
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| 04:41 | <phanste> you think it's possible without recompile the kernel ?
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| 04:41 | <bluedragon> phanste: 4.1 instructions work with 4.2 but you do need to recompile the kernel
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| 04:42 | <phanste> can you explain me please and where i can find 4.1 instructions ?
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| 04:44 | <bluedragon> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CustomLtspKernels
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| 04:44 | and apply the right patch for bootsplash
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| 04:44 | I will own up I've never done it my self.
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| 04:45 | <bluedragon> I tend to avoid sill graphical boot screens.
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| 04:45 | At least if it all stops working somone can read somthing to me with nice text!
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| 04:47 | <phanste> thanks bluedragon
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| 04:48 | i will try it
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| 04:50 | i have try the kernel on this page with ltsp-4.2
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| 04:50 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootsplashPatch
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| 04:51 | <phanste> but at end of boot , he ask me a runlevel , i think it can't read iniitab
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| 05:05 | <bluedragon> hmm after rebooting several times and it stopping in different places everytime I think the problem might be memory
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| 05:07 | theory runs that if the initrd for ltsp is so much bigger the client is going to need more memory to work
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| 05:07 | and its going to need this before it can bring up swap
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| 05:08 | hmm I've only got 24Mb in my clients
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| 05:09 | memory has always been tight under 4.2 but it looks like its even tighter on my clients under 5
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| 05:35 | <ogra> bluedragon, minimal reqs for ltsp5 are 48M
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| 05:35 | and thats really minimal i'd rather recommend 64
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| 06:22 | <cyberorg> hi ogra
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| 06:23 | i managed to get ldm working somehow, but not properly
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| 06:27 | <ogra> whats missing ?
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| 06:28 | <cyberorg> we got kiwi setup nfsboot
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| 06:28 | i put in ldm there
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| 06:28 | without all the ltsp scripts, it cant find $SERVER
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| 06:28 | so I export manually
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| 06:29 | and gtk pixbuf loader is pain
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| 06:29 | you are working on ldm without all gtk deps right?
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| 06:32 | <ogra> no
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| 06:32 | i'm working on a ldm with 'less' gtk deps ;)
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| 06:32 | and written in C instead of python
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| 06:33 | <cyberorg> installing gtk and python-gnome brings in almost half of gnome with it
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| 06:33 | <ogra> yes
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| 06:33 | thats why we have split out gnocecanvas in a separate package in ubuntu :)
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| 06:33 | ldm only uses gnomecanvas beyond the plain gtk stuff
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| 06:34 | but that extensively
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| 06:34 | the new one will only need libgtk2.0
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| 06:35 | <cyberorg> when is it due :)
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| 06:36 | <ogra> next ubuntu release (oct)
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| 06:36 | its already there in a working form, i'll soon add it to the development code
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| 06:37 | <cyberorg> is it this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/ldm-greeter
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| 06:37 | <ogra> yes
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| 06:37 | i'll merge that soon into the main branch
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| 06:37 | or we split out ldm's source ... we'll discuss that in sevilla in two weeks
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| 06:38 | <cyberorg> that one is working one so can i test it?
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| 06:38 | <ogra> yep
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| 06:38 | check the paths of the pngs in the source ... so you point to the right files
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| 06:38 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 06:39 | are gtk paths har coded like in current ldm?
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| 06:39 | <ogra> it produces a binary ... replace the greeter/gtk file with it
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| 06:39 | paths will be set by a theme dir and hardcoded image names ...
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| 06:39 | themes will be handled through gtkrc files
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| 06:40 | (the old ldm had its own theme engine)
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| 06:40 | <cyberorg> doesnt it produce ldm binary?
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| 06:41 | <ogra> no
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| 06:41 | its only te greeter
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| 06:41 | <cyberorg> so we still use python ldm
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| 06:41 | <ogra> yes
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| 06:41 | <cyberorg> greeter.c:359: warning: passing argument 2 of ‘g_timeout_add’ from incompatible pointer type
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| 06:41 | <ogra> unless someone comes up with something similar safe and better
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| 06:42 | thast only a warning
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| 06:43 | you should have a binary you can execute ...
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| 06:43 | <cyberorg> ok, got the greeter
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| 06:43 | <ogra> good
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| 06:44 | <cyberorg> where should i copy that?
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| 06:44 | <ogra> where you copied the greeter/gtk file to
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| 06:44 | replace it
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| 06:44 | <cyberorg> cp greeter /opt/ltsp/suse-i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/gtk?
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| 06:44 | <ogra> yes
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| 06:45 | <cyberorg> ok, probably you need -o gtk instead of -o greeter in compile.sh
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| 06:45 | <ogra> and make sure the cient finds the pngs in the chroot at the right place, else it wont start
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| 06:45 | nah
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| 06:45 | it will be handled by a makefile if i merged it ;)
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| 06:45 | thats only for testing and debugging
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| 06:45 | i usually run the greeter standalone in my X session while working on it
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| 06:46 | <ogra> its not production ready yet and will surely still take some onths
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| 06:46 | *months
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| 06:47 | <cyberorg> another problem is that nfsboot gives a lot of errors if chroot is exported readonly, so have to export rw, system cant write /tmp /var/run cant create sockets etc
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| 06:48 | how do we solve that?
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| 06:48 | i tried mount -t tmpfs none /tmp and mounted all those bits
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| 06:49 | but that is not a good way
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| 06:49 | <ogra> thats the best one atm
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| 06:50 | see the bind_mounts function of ltsp-client-setup
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| 06:50 | <cyberorg> mounting / rw has one great advantage, i can tail -f all the logs right off from server
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| 06:50 | <ogra> you need to run it very early during boot
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| 06:50 | mounting rw will break as soon as you have more than one client :)
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| 06:51 | <cyberorg> yes true
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| 06:51 | <ogra> they will write different things into different files
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| 06:51 | you *must* have the tmpfs munts
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| 06:51 | *mounts
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| 06:51 | <ogra> it depends on your distro *which* files and dirs though
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| 06:51 | <cyberorg> fxrsliberty: exactly that is what we are discussing :)
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| 06:51 | <ogra> you will need to find that out
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| 06:52 | <cyberorg> /tmp /var/tmp and /var/run so far
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| 06:52 | <ogra> /etc/hosts /etc/fstab ... you need to find a proper way to handle mtab
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| 06:52 | etc
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| 06:52 | there is more :)
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| 06:53 | <cyberorg> can we mount files too?
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| 06:53 | tmpfs /etc/fstab ?
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| 06:53 | <ogra> look how the function does it
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| 06:53 | <cyberorg> how does live CD do it?
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| 06:54 | <ogra> it uncompresses the whole root in ram afaik
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| 06:54 | at least the ubuntu one i think ... from a squashfs image
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| 06:54 | <cyberorg> isnt there a way that everything is rw, and changes just stays in swap or memory?
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| 06:55 | <ogra> would you really want an rw exported nfs path in a corporate environment ?
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| 06:55 | on your server ...
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| 06:55 | <cyberorg> no i mean it can be exported ro, but the client thinks it is rw and can make changes, but they remain in ram only
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| 06:56 | <ogra> yes, thats what we do :)
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| 06:56 | <cyberorg> everything?
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| 06:56 | <ogra> no
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| 06:56 | that would raise your RAM reqs immensely
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| 06:56 | <cyberorg> what does unionfs bring?
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| 06:56 | <ogra> only selected files we need to boot up X and ldm
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| 06:56 | unionfs just beautifies it
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| 06:57 | <cyberorg> ?
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| 06:57 | <ogra> if you type mount on a current TC you get about 30 lines output
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| 06:57 | mounting that into a unionfs will only show you /
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| 06:57 | technically nothing changes ...
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| 06:57 | <cyberorg> ok
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| 06:58 | <ogra> you system jsut des think it has / and some rw files in it
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| 06:58 | <cyberorg> what is pivot_root stuff in the scripts for?
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| 06:58 | (or did it see it somewhere else)
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| 06:58 | <ogra> i think thats from initrd times
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| 06:59 | <cyberorg> yes, i was going through linuxrcs
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| 07:00 | another thing is how are local devices handled, if i understand correctly, you have daemon running on server and client sends it a message whenever something is plugged?
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| 07:00 | <ogra> no
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| 07:00 | the ltspfs daemon runs on the client
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| 07:01 | udev handles the plugging, local mounting and fstab adding ...
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| 07:01 | <cyberorg> so how does all the mounting happen
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| 07:01 | that is local, how does it show to users
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| 07:01 | <ogra> you plug in a device ... udev gets a kernel event ... udev adds it to fstab ... and mounts it in /var/run/drives/<device>
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| 07:02 | then it connects to the ssh socket ldm has opened for ltspfs
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| 07:02 | through that it executes ltspfsmounter on the server
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| 07:03 | ltspfsmounter mounts the ltspfs mount from the client to /tmp/.$USER-ltspfs/<devicename>
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| 07:03 | then it calls the sudi root binary lbmount to bind mount /tmp/.$USER-ltspfs/<devicename> to /media/$USER/<devicename>
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| 07:03 | <cyberorg> ltspfsmounter is installed on the server and the user can launch it, should be suid, because users cannot mount
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| 07:03 | <ogra> *suid
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| 07:04 | <cyberorg> yeah, figured
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| 07:04 | <ogra> gnomevfs picks up the new device in /media/$USER/<devicename>, creates an icon on the desktop and adds it to the nautilus device list
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| 07:05 | the ltspfsmounter stuff, lbmount and all the rest will go away soo ... we'll completely switch to hal
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| 07:05 | *soon
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| 07:05 | <cyberorg> i was thinking about that, and instead of using ltspfs, thought of samba?
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| 07:05 | <ogra> the ssh tunnel is likely go go away as well in favor of an Xatoms implementation
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| 07:06 | <cyberorg> just share it through samba and mount on the server users home
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| 07:06 | Xatoms?
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| 07:06 | <ogra> there are various solutions you could use ... ltspfs is simply perfectly tailored for the task, but nothing forbids you to use something like cifs or smb
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| 07:07 | <cyberorg> i am thinking from the lazy admin who doesnt know coding :)
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| 07:07 | <ogra> in any case you would have to write a new implementation :)
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| 07:07 | <cyberorg> we could write some udev rules when devices are plugged to do that
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| 07:07 | <ogra> thats what we do
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| 07:08 | you just have to rewrite all the scripts, have a samba server running and configured on the client etc
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| 07:08 | i guess yur minimal RAM reqs will be starting ~128M
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| 07:08 | <cyberorg> i understand just 1% of ltsp scripts so far, once i understand them more i might not think about what i understand about other stuff :)
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| 07:09 | true, we would want to keep ram requirement low
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| 07:09 | so the status so far is i can nfsboot, launch ldm and connect to the server
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| 07:10 | next on the agenda should proably swap
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| 07:10 | <ogra> right, but only with an rw root ... fix that first i'd say
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| 07:11 | <cyberorg> also ro, with some tmpfs, but should do it in a proper way, will look up that function
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| 07:13 | <ogra> just copy/paste the bind_mounts function into an initscript and run it ... run that very early in the boot process
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| 07:13 | <cyberorg> btw, the scripts are very well written, even i can understand what they are doing
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| 07:13 | <ogra> :)
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| 07:15 | <cyberorg> first image i created was about 400 MB, after all gtk, python-gnome bits my image is over 1GB :(
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| 07:16 | you guys got composite environment running on the clients?
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| 07:16 | <ogra> mine is 380 with all gtk gnome bits
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| 07:16 | <cyberorg> suse deps are massive
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| 07:16 | <ogra> our Xserver drivers have composite on by default
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| 07:17 | <cyberorg> ok, so ltsp clients can do compiz/beryl
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| 07:17 | <ogra> but as long as you dont access these functions they are not used
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| 07:17 | *could*
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| 07:17 | <cyberorg> not tried?
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| 07:17 | <ogra> you would to have to run it locally
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| 07:18 | <ogra> since they need direct access to the HW
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| 07:18 | <cyberorg> but ltsp client X server is running on the hardware locally
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| 07:19 | only Xsession is on the server, not sure how we can execute compiz in that session accessing clients X and hardware, hmm
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| 07:26 | <ogra> you cant as i said abov
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| 07:26 | e
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| 07:26 | you need to run them locally
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| 07:27 | <cyberorg> some german bunch has some thin client implementation that either does that or intend to do it, not suere how
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| 07:46 | <snap> hi all, ica with ltsp, it's working fine?
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| 07:50 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> hi all
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| 07:54 | <ogra> cyberorg, our fat client implementation will be able to do that, on fat clients everything runs locally
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| 07:55 | <cyberorg> yeah, it would be same as kiwi nfsboot :)
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| 07:56 | <ogra> not really
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| 07:56 | unless kiwi runs in RAM
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| 07:59 | <cyberorg> the image we are using is diskless image, running in ram
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| 08:00 | sorry, i dont understand, so how does it boot?
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| 08:02 | <ogra> its a thin client setup with a desktop and login manager installed locally
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| 08:02 | it works exactly the same as a thin client but runs everything in ram
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| 08:03 | <bluedragon> file system on nfs?
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| 08:03 | <ogra> yes
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| 08:03 | a readonly nfs export
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| 08:04 | <cyberorg> and user data?
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| 08:04 | <bluedragon> don't tell me unionfs
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| 08:04 | <ogra> userdata via a /home mount
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| 08:04 | thats why we havent implemented it yet
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| 08:05 | it requires a decent server setup for mounting /home and authenticating users
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| 08:05 | since we only use distro packages in ltsp5 thats quite an amount of changes to essential packages
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| 08:06 | <bluedragon> how so whats your host op
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| 08:07 | <ogra> ubuntu indeed, sine there ltsp5 gets developed :)
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| 08:07 | <cyberorg> :)
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| 08:08 | <bluedragon> yer ubuntu seams to be treating ltsp as just another arch.
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| 08:08 | <ogra> ??
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| 08:10 | <bluedragon> what I'm trying to say is that the changes needed to get any distrubtion to run ltsp are just about the same as you would need to do to get that same distro to run on a different arch eg ppc or playstation etc
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| 08:10 | bit like live boot, install it or ltsp it
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| 08:14 | <ogra> not exactly, but yes ... there are changes i make to system packages taht wouldnt be there without ltsp ...
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| 08:14 | another arch is a way bigger thing :)
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| 08:15 | * ogra wouldnt want to maintain a complete arch :) | |
| 08:15 | <ogra> you could call it a mini-ubuntu-derivative-to-just-run-X-and-ldm :)
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| 08:16 | <gvy> bluedragon, well not exactly indeed
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| 08:16 | <bluedragon> could not thing of a good term.
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| 08:17 | But Ltsp is just another way of running ubuntu, like Live Boot is different again
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| 08:17 | <ogra> yep
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| 08:17 | they have much in common though
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| 08:17 | <bluedragon> and needs quite a bit of work to get it to work properly.
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| 08:18 | <gvy> i'd rather not compare it to subarch but to a (meta)deployment of a complex app
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| 08:18 | <ogra> huh ? what work do you mean ? sfter setting up the client chroot with ltsp-build-client i can immediately use my TCs here with it
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| 08:18 | <bluedragon> after all it took years to get from just an install disk to the situation we have now with pratically every distro being a live install.
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| 08:18 | <gvy> ogra, no dhcpd/tftpd, eh? :]
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| 08:18 | <bluedragon> and now we have ltsp as well
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| 08:18 | <ogra> gvy, ltsp-server-standalone sets all that up :)
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| 08:19 | <gvy> bluedragon, well there are sane distros still
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| 08:19 | not requireing half a terabyte of ram just to dump a slew of packages on the drive(s)
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| 08:19 | <ogra> if you have the iterface your TCs use configured to the right static ip it works our of the box
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| 08:19 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 08:19 | <gvy> s/rei/ri/
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| 08:20 | <bluedragon> you don't nned to live boot ubuntu to install ubuntu :) and somtimes it does not work anyway
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| 08:20 | <gvy> ogra, read around -- IRL there are less trivial situations usually ;)
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| 08:21 | <bluedragon> right has this ltsp 5 install worked or is it going to tell me whats wrong....
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| 08:21 | <gvy> well covering and generalizing trivial ones is a big deal indeed anyways...
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| 08:21 | <bluedragon> nope "could not load modules.dep no such file"
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| 08:21 | <ogra> gvy, i'm pretty sure the majority of users will be covered
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| 08:22 | <bluedragon> well its nice and simple I'll give you that one and once the few bugs have been removed it will be wonderul.
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| 08:22 | <ogra> in case you want to have 7ltsp servers in parallel with 3 different subnets and centralized ldap for auth, i'd assume you know how to do the trickier tasks
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| 08:22 | <bluedragon> few nots like must be running 7.04 for etherboot to work would help.
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| 08:23 | <ogra> te point is that you *can* have a running ltsp setup within 10 minutes and without any further configuration
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| 08:24 | <bluedragon> well yes if your lucky I'm not
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| 08:24 | currently I'm clocking more like 2 days
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| 08:24 | and still have not sucseeded.
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| 08:25 | <ogra> on what distro ?
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| 08:25 | <bluedragon> ubuntu 7.04
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| 08:25 | <ogra> and you followed the howto ?
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| 08:26 | <bluedragon> as I said last error on boot read
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| 08:26 | <ogra> and have no ltsp4.2 bits anywhere or something ?
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| 08:26 | <bluedragon> could not load modules.dep no such file
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| 08:26 | yes on another machine
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| 08:27 | <bluedragon> and a cross fired dhcp setting somthing for one client while I test
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| 08:27 | <ogra> so i assume you have a dhcp server running anywhere already
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| 08:28 | <ogra> can <ou boot without the splash screen and check if the nfsmount works properly ?
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| 08:28 | and where it tries to mount from ?
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| 08:28 | (its pretty informative if you drop quiet and splash from the bootoptions)
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| 08:28 | <bluedragon> I have one dhcp server and the one client that is meant to be running ltsp 5 dhcp says next-server 192.168.0.33;
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| 08:29 | <ogra> please check without bootsplash ...
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| 08:29 | it should show you the rootserver IP it thinks it should use ... as well as the rootpath ...
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| 08:29 | <bluedragon> hmm yes I know i'm using etherboot and I've already worked that one out.
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| 08:30 | yes and thats correct from what I can see.
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| 08:30 | <ogra> there must be other errors ...
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| 08:31 | your ltsp-build-client finished with a success message ?
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| 08:31 | and you didnt fiddle with any stuff ?
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| 08:31 | <bluedragon> yes
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| 08:31 | nope
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| 08:32 | <ogra> etherboot works out of the box for others so i'm a bit surprised it doesnt for you
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| 08:32 | <bluedragon> etherboot works fine it boots
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| 08:32 | mouts the nfs
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| 08:33 | <ogra> well, if you dont find modules.dep you are booting a wrng kernel or mount a wrong nfsroot
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| 08:33 | <bluedragon> then moans about date stamps on a load of files being in the future
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| 08:33 | then crashes saying can't find modules.dep
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| 08:33 | hmm might have somthing to do with trying with 6.04 first then right. I'll check the kernel
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| 08:34 | <ogra> well, ....
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| 08:34 | so you fiddled around with it
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| 08:34 | if its not booting the nbi.img file ltsp-build-client created for you
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| 08:36 | erm didnt you say before your clients only have 24M ?
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| 08:41 | <bluedragon> yes but...
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| 08:41 | <ogra> no
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| 08:41 | no way to boot that at all
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| 08:41 | <bluedragon> hmm the right kernel gets it much further.
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| 08:41 | <ogra> the kernel and initramfs need 36M to *load* ...
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| 08:41 | it wont be able to start X if it even gets that far
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| 08:41 | <bluedragon> Its got as far as mouting the swap now I've got the kernel right
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| 08:42 | <ogra> hmm, good luck :)
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| 08:42 | <ogra> i havent anything gotten to boot below 42M ...
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| 08:43 | even with nbd swap enabled
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| 08:43 | <bluedragon> well its booted.
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| 08:43 | <ogra> wow !
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| 08:44 | try to log in then :)
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| 08:44 | <bluedragon> its trying to start X I believe but I've not got anything set up
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| 08:44 | the screen keps flashing currently
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| 08:44 | <ogra> it should run ldm by default
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| 08:44 | yeah, no space
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| 08:44 | you could try with XDMCP and disable sounds nd localdev in lts.conf
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| 08:45 | sound should gain you 2M ... localdev about 3
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| 08:45 | <bluedragon> I was about to do that I end up doing that for somthing simular in 4.2 currently anyhow
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| 08:46 | <ogra> do you see the X on the screen or does it die before ?
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| 08:46 | <bluedragon> flashes black then returns to text
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| 08:47 | might be x server settings
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| 08:47 | <ogra> hmm, then it cant start the X server ... seeing the X would indicate it gets beyond that and dies on ldm
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| 08:47 | your chances are not good then ...
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| 08:48 | <ogra> try to set a higher default swapzise in /usr/sbin/nbdswapd on the server that might help
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| 08:48 | <bluedragon> I don't know my 4.2 clients need XSERVER = nsc so I'll try that
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| 08:49 | <ogra> if they are all the same HW i'd suggest a static xorg.conf ... should gain you some extra mem
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| 08:50 | <bluedragon> intresting point
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| 08:50 | <ogra> if there is a static file, the prober wont run ...
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| 08:51 | so it wont allocate ram ;)
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| 08:51 | <cliebow_> bluedragon, what clients are these anyway?
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| 08:52 | <ogra> fully armed 286s ? :)
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| 08:52 | <cliebow_> WHoa!
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| 08:52 | <ogra> i'm kidding :)
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| 08:52 | woudnt boot :)
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| 08:52 | <cliebow_> that is brave..
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:01 | <cliebow_> Scotty!!!!!!!
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> Morning cliebow!
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| 09:03 | <ogra> !s
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| 09:03 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:03 | <cliebow_> when are you bound for Sevilla?
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| 09:04 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
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| 09:04 | Monday, May 1, I think
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| 09:04 | <cliebow_> gonna have a live rss feed?
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| 09:05 | <gvy> bluedragon, ogra, we've been doing well with 32M
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| 09:05 | but that's altlinux, it's -Wl,--as-needed
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| 09:05 | <ogra> gvy, with ltsp5 ?
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| 09:06 | <ogra> ltsp5 uses the distro packages so the distro kernel as well ...
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| 09:06 | <gvy> ogra, with homegrown TS and ltsp4.2
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| 09:07 | <ogra> right
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| 09:07 | <gvy> ogra, homegrown was using distro kernel
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| 09:07 | w/o any customizations
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| 09:07 | and distro xorg as well
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| 09:07 | <ogra> 2.6 series with udev etc ?
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| 09:07 | <gvy> w/o udev, it was ca. 2.6.12
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| 09:07 | <ogra> nice
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| 09:08 | <gvy> actually `free` hinted at 24M
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| 09:08 | cache and kernel mem excluded
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| 09:08 | <ogra> so make that work with ltsp5 :)
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| 09:08 | <gvy> ogra, what you think are we doing now? ;)
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| 09:08 | <ogra> :)
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| 09:08 | <gvy> office TCs are p3-500/64M ;)
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| 09:09 | compaq sff en, nice little heavies
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| 09:09 | s/q/& deskpro/
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| 09:09 | <ogra> thats a good config ...
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| 09:09 | <gvy> yup, ati/e100/es1868 onboard (with mono sound, even)
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| 09:10 | the only added thing is pci usb2. :)
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| 09:12 | <Guaraldo> good morning...
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| 09:12 | <bluedragon> afternoon
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| 09:12 | <Guaraldo> bluedragon: :-D I'm in Brazil... 11 AM here... :-D
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| 09:13 | <gvy> good earth
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| 09:13 | <Guaraldo> gvy: Great solution...
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| 09:14 | <bluedragon> ok its 3pm here in the Uk nothing like an international irc board
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| 09:30 | <mhterres> morning/afternoon :-)
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| 09:52 | <mhterres> hey guys, one question
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| 09:52 | the ltsp package from debian etch is the same of ubuntu edgy ?
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| 09:52 | or the same of ubuntu feisty ?
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| 10:04 | <pscheie> morning all
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| 10:07 | <ogra> mhterres, a bit pre edgy ...
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| 10:09 | <Guaraldo> ogra: that's the problem of freezing distro 6 month before release... :-D
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| 10:09 | <ogra> indeed
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| 10:12 | <mhterres> yep
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| 10:12 | :-(
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| 10:34 | * gvy . o O ( well not 6 years before release like slackware at least ) | |
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| 11:37 | <pscheie> under 4.2, if I enable a scanner on a client, is it accessible to the other clients?
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| 12:16 | <IRCzito> group, my client on run ltsp-client-setup say that filesistem is read only, what probably wrong?
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| 12:17 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> IRCzito: hi opa
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| 12:17 | <IRCzito> something in initramfs?
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| 12:17 | kaminski-ltsp-br: helo :D
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| 12:18 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> ;)
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| 12:38 | <IRCzito> .
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| 13:02 | <jammcq> hello kiddlies
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| 13:03 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Hi, Jim... How are you?
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> hey luiz
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| 13:06 | doing great. although it's raining pretty seriously here today
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| 13:06 | <pscheie> hey jammcq
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| 13:07 | in 4.2, if I connect a scanner to a client, do all clients have access to the scanner?
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| 13:07 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 13:07 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Here is raining slowly since late nite yesterday...
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| 13:08 | <jammcq> pscheie: it just becomes a network scanner
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| 13:08 | <pscheie> good, that's what I want: I want it to not matter which client has the scanner
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| 13:08 | right, network scanner
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| 13:08 | <jammcq> I have a customer doing lots of scanning
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| 13:08 | <pscheie> so, one kid puts a picture on the scanner, and all the kids can grab the image, right?
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> that would be the slow way
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| 13:09 | why would you want each kid to re-scan it
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| 13:09 | <pscheie> I wouldn't, I just thought they'd get whatever the scanner was putting out.
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| 13:10 | How do it handle contention then?
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| 13:10 | first come first serve?
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| 13:10 | <jammcq> no, it's not like the scanner broadcasts it's output
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| 13:10 | you need an application that knows how to talk to the scanner
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| 13:10 | <pscheie> the wiki says OOo and gimp both work with it
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| 13:11 | <jammcq> I have a couple of different scanners. a card-scanner which scans things like insurance cards
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| 13:11 | and a full page auto-feed scanner
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| 13:12 | the full page scanner is pretty cool. I have a program that senses insertion of the document and automatically scans it in, and then uses some ocr software to find an ID number so I can match it up with the patient
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| 13:13 | <pscheie> the teacher has just a flatbed scanner, I think, perhaps two of them
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| 13:13 | <jammcq> make sure the scanner is supported by sane
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| 13:14 | <pscheie> most are these days, aren't they?
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| 13:14 | <jammcq> you wish
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| 13:14 | <pscheie> I've got 2 or 3 at home, but they're all HP
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| 13:14 | <jammcq> you'd be surprised how hard it is to buy a scanner that you can be certain is supported
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| 13:14 | *some* hp scanners are supported
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| 13:14 | <pscheie> does usb vs. scsi matter?
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| 13:15 | I've never tried mine with a terminal, just on the server or fat client
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| 13:15 | <IRCzito> jammcq: hi Jim, my client on run ltsp-client-setup say that filesistem is read only, what probably wrong? something in initramfs?
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| 13:16 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Hey, I can't seem to find the flight info you forwarded me. Could you resend?
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| 13:16 | <jammcq> IRCzito: where are you running ltsp-client-setup?
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| 13:16 | sbalneav: prolly cuz I never forwarded it to you, which is prolly cuz the travel agent never forwarded it to me
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| 13:16 | <IRCzito> jammcq: on qemu test
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| 13:16 | jammcq: is the root-tree of slackware
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| 13:17 | <jammcq> IRCzito: you'd have to ask ogra or vagrantc
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| 13:17 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Really?
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| 13:17 | <jammcq> sbalneav: seriously
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| 13:17 | <IRCzito> jammcq: thanks
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| 13:17 | <sbalneav> So we haven't got our flight info yet?
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| 13:17 | <jammcq> not the official info
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| 13:18 | <sbalneav> yikes!
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| 13:18 | <jammcq> I've got what she said she'd arrange for us, and I've got the email saying it's done
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| 13:19 | <IRCzito> ogra: can you help me :D
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| 13:19 | <jammcq> sbalneav: I just forwarded the email message that contains the flight details
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| 13:20 | it's not the official ininerary tho
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| 13:20 | you can get the NWA stuff from their website
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| 13:20 | <sbalneav> You = awesome.
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| 13:20 | <jammcq> it's the last leg, from London to Seville that I'm still waiting on official info
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| 14:04 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> hey
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| 14:04 | ltsp 5
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| 14:05 | nfsmount: need a path
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| 14:07 | solved... ;)
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| 14:08 | <cliebow_> cool
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| 14:10 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> ltsp5 is up and running at the LTSP-BR free software lab
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| 14:10 | ;)
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| 14:11 | <[GNU]Order> I have a question not directly related to ltsp but I hope someone can help. I have a dhcp server which has been working fine and a client boot disk which has also worked fine but now the client keeps getting assigned the IP of the server even though the server tries to give it another IP and the IP of the server isn't even in a pool.
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| 14:16 | <[GNU]Order> Ah, answered my own question. There was another device handing out IPs that shouldn't be.
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| 14:17 | I spent 3 days on this. Grrrr.
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| 14:22 | <gu> [GNU]Order: i have the same problem here with a d-link dsl modem - although the modem's dhcp is turned off
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| 14:24 | <[GNU]Order> That may be the case here too but I dont remember the password I set up to check that it's disabled. I unplugged it from the network and got the correct IP assigned but now the samba mount is failing where before it worked when I assigned a static IP.
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| 14:33 | Now it's working. Took a reboot.
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| 14:39 | <cliebow_> jammcq:reversing cpio -ivmud is like cpio -ou?
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| 14:40 | <jammcq> umm
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| 14:41 | you making a cpio archive?
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| 14:43 | <cliebow_> its ok..googling
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| 14:44 | <cliebow_> well i got the durn thing unravelled..
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| 14:44 | nopw i wanna see if i can put it back together 8)
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| 14:45 | this thing is wicked swapped out..time to put a little memory ibn it
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| 14:45 | <jammcq> ok, to create a cpio archive, you don't need 'u'
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| 14:47 | <cliebow_> jammcq:ok..just looking up the options n e w c
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| 14:47 | -o
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