IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 18 December 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <dberkholz> we can afford to be idealistic in open source. if we're forced to settle for good instead of perfect, it sucks out motivation
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| 00:00 | that's the kind of crap i have to do at work. leave stuff when i'm not happy with it yet but it works well enough.
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| 00:00 | <johnny> uhmm.. you can say that with a straight face while we use genkernel?
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| 00:00 | lol
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| 00:00 | initramfs-tools kicks the crap out of what is in genkernel
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| 00:00 | * vagrantc tends to get demotivated seeing everything constantly reworked to get only marginal gains | |
| 00:01 | <dberkholz> i'm not one of the people working on it. clearly they think so, or intend to get it there
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| 00:01 | <johnny> i'm sure genkernel is a fine kernel generator.. but they should get out of the initramfs business
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| 00:02 | vagrantc, .. someones marginal gain.. is somebody elses kick ass addition
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| 00:02 | <dberkholz> that's a good example of what happens when something is merely good. nobody wants to go within 10 feet of it, it's possible to get patches in, etc.
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| 00:02 | <johnny> sure.. but why write what is already written
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| 00:02 | <dberkholz> s/possible/impossible/
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| 00:03 | <johnny> luckily it sounds like fedora is gonna ditch mkinitrd..
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| 00:03 | that seems even worse
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| 00:03 | <dberkholz> genkernel has been around for roughly as long as initramfs-tools
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| 00:03 | so it wasn't really a case of ignoring a clearly good and pretty much feature-complete alternative
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| 00:03 | <johnny> personally.. i'm pretty happy with where ubuntu and fedora are going
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| 00:04 | gentoo and debian seem full of crusty old unix geeks :)
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| 00:04 | <dberkholz> vagrantc: i agree. that's definitely different from trying to do it as good as you can the first time around
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| 00:05 | <johnny> it's not like i'm a new gentoo user or anything ... so i think i've had a fair evaluation
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| 00:05 | 6 years is awhile..
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| 00:05 | <dberkholz> i'm not following your point here ... what are you evaluating?
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| 00:05 | * vagrantc likes initramfs-tools | |
| 00:06 | <johnny> the situation in relation to certain choices that make things more difficult :)
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| 00:06 | <vagrantc> it's a really simple, flexible implementation
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| 00:06 | * vagrantc runs off to play cards | |
| 00:06 | <johnny> vagrantc, too bad i'm not there
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| 00:07 | * johnny listens to Less Than Jake - Last One out of Liberty City | |
| 00:08 | <johnny> ah.. the music of my misspent youth..
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| 02:36 | <generalsnus> I have a problem with users unable to mount their USB drives on our thinclients. We use Xubuntu LTSP servers..and authenticate users against M$ server 2003. previously this had worked great.. but somwhere along with some updates, it must have been broken. I remeber editing a config file to get this working in the first place.. but cant remember witch.. Also adding users to a linux group(fuse), wont work since the user
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| 02:41 | <kriegaffe> Helle generalsnus, I'm pretty new to this but I found following usb troubleshooting procedure for ubuntu/xubuntu, it helped me a lot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 02:48 | <vagrantc> generalsnus: they need to be part of the fuse group for local devices to work.
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| 02:48 | generalsnus: however you implement that
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| 02:49 | generalsnus: and their default group needs to be a group only the are a part of.
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| 02:49 | gotta go sleep now...
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| 02:52 | <generalsnus> how can i add a group that is called " domain^users " to a group in xubuntu that is called "FUSE"?
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| 02:58 | <gate_keeper_> hey guys is it possible to transfer the clients root image to usb
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| 02:58 | complete with kernel
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| 02:58 | and boot it up from usb stick ..
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| 02:58 | ?
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| 02:58 | :-/
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| 03:00 | <cyberorg> gate_keeper_, http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/USB_Quickstart
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| 03:02 | gate_keeper_, which ltsp server have you got?
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| 03:02 | <gate_keeper_> ubuntu
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| 03:02 | 5.1
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| 03:03 | <cyberorg> gate_keeper_, you would have to copy ssh_known_hosts from client chroot in your tftproot/KIWI folder, opensuse usb will then work with ubuntu server too
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| 03:04 | you will need opensuse to build the key though
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| 03:04 | <gate_keeper_> hmm
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| 03:04 | no other way?
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| 03:04 | to avoid installing opensuse ...
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| 03:04 | and configuring
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| 03:05 | <cyberorg> gate_keeper_, you'll have to wait for ogra, he may know :)
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| 03:05 | <gate_keeper_> cyberorg, ok, thx
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| 03:05 | :)
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| 03:36 | <generalsnus> Can somone help me troubleshoot this error mesage? i get it when i try to mount a USB drive: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal").
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| 03:55 | <nataraj> Hi
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| 03:55 | anybody is having ltsp-server files on a Windows machine?
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| 03:56 | i mean windows XP, which will have dhcp,nfs and tftpd hosted
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| 04:11 | <generalsnus> how can i get usb disk to mount automaticly on desktop in xubuntu? or how can i make a application launcher on desktop..with the command: thunar /media/$USER/usbdisk-sda1
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| 04:14 | <gate_keeper_> btw
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| 04:14 | i've created custom gdm theme
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| 04:14 | how to change the current ltsp theme (human)
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| 04:14 | ?
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| 04:16 | via ldm
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| 04:24 | <gate_keeper_> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-alternatives --config ldm-theme
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| 04:24 | gives couple of themes,
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| 04:24 | should i replace one of these with the gdm files
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| 04:24 | :-/
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| 04:54 | <Appiah> Anyone experinced problems with thin clients not getting an IP when all try to startup at the same time?
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| 06:08 | <racquad> hi guys, I'm heaving problems configuring my local printer under ltsp 5
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| 06:08 | where can I find info about it? I know that I have to configure lts.conf, but I don't know how
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 06:20 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> racquad: ^^^
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| 06:29 | <racquad> alksing: i found something about jetpipe, but my ltsp client is not starting it..
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| 06:30 | I have set localdev=true on default tab and printer_0_device=/dev/lp0 under the thin client tab on lts.conf, but it doesn't work at all
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| 06:30 | i have run jetpipe on shell under root. a telnet term01 9100 worked!
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| 06:30 | the thing is: how can I start jetpipe under thinclient boot
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| 06:30 | ?
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| 06:31 | ltspbot` any idea?
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| 06:31 | <ltspbot`> racquad: I have not seen idea?.
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| 06:31 | <racquad> ltspbot` pardon?
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| 06:31 | <ltspbot`> racquad: Error: "pardon?" is not a valid command.
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| 06:31 | <nubae> ltspbot is a robot :-)
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| 06:31 | u wont get too many straight answers from him
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| 06:31 | <racquad> shit :P
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| 06:32 | nubae: any idea?
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| 06:34 | anybody, help me! i'm stuck!
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| 06:34 | <nubae> PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0
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| 06:35 | or PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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| 06:35 | <racquad> nubae: that's exactly what I did: PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0
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| 06:36 | <nubae> look carefully
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| 06:36 | <racquad> I have a dot matrix printer under /dev/lp0. the thing is, when I start jetpipe on the shell of my thinclient, it works.
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| 06:36 | <nubae> /dev/lp0 does not exist
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| 06:36 | <racquad> nubae: yes, it exists.
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| 06:37 | <nubae> use /dev/usb/lp0
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| 06:37 | <racquad> I have checked it
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| 06:37 | but it's not usb
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| 06:37 | <nubae> jetpipe needs that address
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| 06:37 | <racquad> the /dev/usb dir doesn't exist on my thinclient
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| 06:38 | but jetpipe worked very well with /dev/lp0
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| 06:38 | <nubae> u are using a usb printer?
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| 06:39 | <racquad> nope. a parallel printer, dot matrix
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| 06:41 | <nubae> ok, then its correct, have u set the port?
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| 06:42 | PRINTER_0_PORT=9100
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| 06:42 | <racquad> no, because it says that 9100 is the default
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| 06:42 | <nubae> wont hurt to try it
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| 06:43 | also, where are u defining the printer, under the thin clients mac address or under [default] ?
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| 06:43 | and what distro?
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| 06:44 | <racquad> i'm defining this printer under [term01] which is my thinclient's name
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| 06:44 | i'm running ubuntu 7.04
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| 06:44 | i've just set my port 9100 and it didn't work at all
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| 06:45 | <nubae> ah... thats u're problem
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| 06:45 | the [hostname] doesn't work in my experience
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| 06:45 | I always had to use [mac:add:ress]
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| 06:46 | oh, and 7.04 may have jetpipe missing
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| 06:46 | also 7.04 is no longer supported
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| 06:46 | move to 8.04 for LTS or 8.10
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| 06:46 | <racquad> nubae: i'll try the [mac address format]. 7.04 has jetpipe, i've just checked and it worked starting it under the shell
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| 06:47 | i know that 7.04 is not supported but I have to run it. i have a software that's not supported under any other version.
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| 06:47 | nubae: thanks a lot, man! I changed the [term01]
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| 06:47 | to [mac]. it worked!!
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| 06:49 | thanks a lot!
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| 06:49 | <nubae> no worries, which soft doesn't run under 8.04 or 8.10?
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| 06:50 | <racquad> microsiga, it's a brazilian CRM
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| 06:51 | <nubae> oh, was it built specifically for 7.04?
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| 06:52 | voce tem uma pagina do soft?
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| 06:53 | <racquad> pagina, home page dela?
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| 06:53 | <nubae> sim
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| 06:54 | <racquad> www.totvs.com.br
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| 06:54 | vc é de onde?
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| 06:54 | <nubae> mais, nao se consegui instalar en 8.10, e iso?
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| 06:54 | Eu so da Belgica, mais farlo un poquinho do Portugues
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| 06:55 | muitas namoradas Brasileiras... lol
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| 06:55 | <racquad> ainda nao testamos no 8.04 ou superior. o problema é que, ainda que funcione, a microsiga não oferece suporte
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| 06:57 | <nubae> hmm, and u need official support for this program I take it
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| 06:57 | still, I'd think its better to have support for the OS, and kinda risk it for the program
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| 07:00 | <racquad> yes, I need official support from them. this is a huge project. we are setting up a high availability cluster with ltsp. one of the issues is the 7.04
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| 07:01 | <nubae> well ltsp-cluster is only in 8.10 as far as I know
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| 07:01 | <racquad> we're finishing this step. the next is to test this structure under newer versions of ubuntu.
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| 07:01 | well, we have done under 7.04 with heartbeat and drbd
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| 07:01 | <nubae> u're building your own ltsp cluster stuff?
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| 07:02 | <racquad> yes.
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| 07:02 | <nubae> u should definetly check out whats been done in ltsp-cluster now, its really advanced and scales very well
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| 07:02 | <racquad> but not supported for 7.04. see?
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| 07:02 | :P
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| 07:02 | <nubae> nothing is supported for 7.04
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| 07:03 | <racquad> i know....
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| 07:03 | <nubae> u should make the microsigia guys support at least 8.04, and they should be supporting the latest version of ubuntu
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| 07:03 | <racquad> that's my point, once 8.04 is lts
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| 07:05 | <Appiah> ltsp-cluster is out? cool
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| 07:15 | <racquad> nubae: I have to go. thanks again for all support!
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| 07:16 | <Appiah> I've got about 30 thin clients to my LTSP server, if I turn them all on at once , some may not get a IP, I have to boot up like 5 at the time
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| 07:16 | is this something that can be tweaked in the dhcpd ?
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| 07:17 | <nubae> hmm, I've never seen that happen
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| 07:17 | could be dns issues
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| 07:18 | <Appiah> how does the DNS play a part in this?
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| 07:19 | on thin clients trying to pxe boot...
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| 07:22 | <nubae> ah wait, I remember someone having that problem now... a while back...
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| 07:23 | they had the issue because they had logging turned on
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| 07:23 | on the thin clients
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| 07:29 | <Appiah> logging?
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| 07:37 | <nubae> yes remote logging via syslog
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| 07:44 | <Appiah> but my clients have not even booted yet?
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| 07:47 | <nubae> yes but as they boot, they start logging
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| 07:47 | <nubae> do u have remote logging turned on?
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| 07:48 | <Appiah> but they dont boot
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| 07:49 | they dont get an IP
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| 07:49 | they dont start downloading from the tftpt
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| 08:01 | <nubae> if I turn them all on at once , some may not get a IP, I have to boot up like 5 at the time
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| 08:01 | that means some are booting right?
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| 08:03 | <Sandra06033> hello, i just installed ubuntu 8.10/ltsp for my school, the thin clients boot, but seem to have an LDM issue, in syslog, after thin client boot/splash screen, i get repeatedly: ldminfod... connect from .... forever, any ideas?
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| 08:04 | <Appiah> nubae: so your saying beacuse the ones that got on already started logging and that blocks the others from gettin an IP?
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| 08:06 | <nubae> rihgt
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| 08:06 | at least that was what was happening to the other fellow
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| 08:06 | switch it off and test it...
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| 08:06 | <Appiah> and my only options are to either stop logging or not to turn them all on at once
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| 08:06 | <nubae> its just too much network traffic, so only 5 load up
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| 08:06 | right, but u'll notice other issues too, network slowness for sure
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| 08:07 | <six2one> hey everyone, quick question (hopefully)...how can i get gnome-watchdog or something like that to run on my 64bit install with 32bit clients...i have the issue where my users log out and there are still processes running on the server
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| 08:07 | its only a 32bit package to the best of my knowledge
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| 08:07 | <nubae> u cant
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| 08:07 | but it may be a script that just installs some place
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| 08:08 | <nubae> so install it and then copy files over to 64 bit
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| 08:08 | Sandra06033: are u saying ldm never shows up?
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| 08:11 | <Sandra06033> nubae, i get a blank screen on thin clients (after ubuntu splash screen), i get no login screen tho
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| 08:14 | <nubae> sounds like a graphics card problem
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| 08:15 | <ogra> did move your lts.conf out of the way ?
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| 08:15 | <chrisinajar> so i started a new table top campeign yesterday with my friends, and decided to name my character after people on IRC...
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| 08:15 | So I'm Ogra Tas-Gadi
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| 08:16 | <Sandra06033> lts.conf has nothing but commented lines, this worked on 7.04 w/same hardware
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| 08:16 | <nubae> yeah xorg configuration changed in later versions
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| 08:17 | <Sandra06033> any pointers?
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| 08:20 | <nubae> well first, is this happening on all of terminals, or just some?
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| 08:20 | <Sandra06033> all
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| 08:21 | <nubae> and u have different hardware in the machines, or all the same?
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| 08:21 | <Sandra06033> terms are DevonIT 6020p
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| 08:23 | <nubae> k... not sure what graphics cards those have... they are not on the devonit site
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| 08:26 | <nubae> I'd try reducing the color depth: X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
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| 08:26 | <Sandra06033> i believe it is a VIA card
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| 08:31 | <Sandra06033> where can i find a minimal lts.conf?
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| 08:31 | as mine is blank
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| 08:31 | <nubae> !docs
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| 08:31 | <ltspbot`> nubae: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 08:32 | <nubae> there's one in there
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| 08:42 | <Sandra06033> i created the lts.conf w/params, still get blank screen on term
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| 08:44 | <Gadi_eeepc> Sandra06033: does the thin client boot?
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| 08:44 | <ogra> Gadi_eeepc, its a graphics prob ...
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| 08:44 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 08:44 | <ogra> try creating an lts.conf like:
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| 08:44 | [default]
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| 08:44 | CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 08:44 | thats it
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| 08:45 | <Gadi_eeepc> ogra: btw - I pushed upstream the changes you requested yesterday
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| 08:45 | <ogra> by default we rely on Xorg doing the right thing for graphics cards in 8.10
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| 08:45 | <Sandra06033> should this be done in the tftp dir or /opt/ltsp/i386/etc ?
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| 08:45 | <ogra> if that doesnt work yu can forcefully enable the old way
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| 08:46 | tftp dir
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| 08:46 | else you need to regenerate the image each time you make a change to the file
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| 08:46 | which can get annoying
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| 08:52 | <Sandra06033> that worked! thanks all
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| 08:55 | * Gadi_eeepc wonders how *just* CONFIGURE_X=True worked | |
| 08:58 | <nubae> hmmm
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| 08:59 | <Sandra06033> too bad the X session just crashed 2x in 5 minutes...
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| 09:02 | <ogra> Gadi_eeepc, Xorg -configure behaves differenly to the Xorg autodetection ... -configure is likely to go away soon
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| 09:04 | <Sandra06033> all i see in syslog is a PULSEAUDIO setrlimit error, and error opening PCM device hw:0
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| 09:05 | <ogra> that wouldnt crash X
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| 09:05 | <Sandra06033> is there a log other than syslog?
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| 09:05 | <ogra> add: SCREEN_07=ldm SCREEN_02=shell to your lts.conf
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| 09:06 | then check what driver gets used for X on tty2 on the client
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| 09:06 | (there is /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
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| 09:21 | <Sandra06033> ogra: how do i check X driver?
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| 09:22 | <warren> ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/103994 how can we get LTSP removed from this bug so we don't get bothered by mail?
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| 09:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> Sandra06033: if you use CONFIGURE_X=True, you can check the client's /etc/X11/xorg.conf - otherwise, you can check the client's /var/log/Xorg.*.log
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| 09:31 | <Sandra06033> . /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't exist, and after a fresh reboot to client, nothing is added to /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and still after a few firefox ops, it keeps crashing
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| 09:34 | <ogra> you got ldm running but dont have /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
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| 09:34 | thats technically not possible
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| 09:34 | <Sandra06033> . /var/log/Xorg.0.log exists, just when i boot TC, nothing is added
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| 09:35 | <ogra> how do you know that ?
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| 09:35 | <Sandra06033> . /etc/X11/xorg.conf exists too, but is empty
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| 09:35 | i had a tail -f running on it on server
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| 09:35 | <ogra> you are checking that on a client console, right ?
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| 09:35 | heh, no you need to look on the client
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| 09:35 | after ldm is up, hit ctrl-alt-f2
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| 09:36 | then have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| 09:43 | <Sandra06033> ogra: driver is openchrome
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| 09:48 | <EAG> hmm is the lts.conf in the chroot still read if I put things there and do a ltsp-update-image ?
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| 09:49 | I still have the same problem with /var/lib/tftboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf not being read (or at least being ignored after being read)
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| 09:51 | <Gadi_eeepc> EAG: you can always test your lts.conf by logging into the client and doing: getltscfg -a
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| 09:52 | <EAG> ok
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| 09:53 | <EAG> #-sign shouldnt be a problem right?
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| 09:53 | <Gadi_eeepc> ?
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| 09:53 | where?
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| 09:53 | <EAG> I mean, it can still be used as a comment?
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| 09:53 | in the lts.conf
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| 09:53 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 09:53 | I believe so
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| 09:54 | <EAG> because... I got "syntax error on line 18" or something...
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| 09:54 | <Gadi_eeepc> !pastebot
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| 09:54 | <ltspbot`> Gadi_eeepc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 09:54 | <EAG> and it begins with #
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| 09:54 | <Gadi_eeepc> paste your lts.conf
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| 09:55 | <EAG> just a second
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:57 | <Gadi_eeepc> !s
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| 09:57 | <ltspbot`> Gadi_eeepc: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:57 | <Gadi_eeepc> ltns
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| 09:59 | <Gadi_eeepc> sbalneav: got a sec?
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| 09:59 | <jammcq> bom dia #ltsp
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| 10:00 | * Gadi_eeepc waves to jammcq | |
| 10:01 | <warren> oh fun!
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| 10:01 | The LTSP.org page describing how to boot a NewWorld iMac says the ati driver is broken, use fbdev.
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| 10:01 | This was 4 years ago?
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| 10:01 | It is still broken today.
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| 10:02 | <jammcq> warren: some things take time :)
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| 10:02 | <warren> I think this means I should just give up on ppc.
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| 10:02 | most of the hardware is TOO SLOW or not enough RAM
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| 10:02 | or the video cards can't handle this
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| 10:02 | <jammcq> do you have some need for it?
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| 10:02 | <warren> even if the X driver worked
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| 10:03 | jammcq: I thought it would be nice to make it work out of the box for the thousands of useless imacs sitting in storage now
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| 10:03 | repurpose as thin clients
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| 10:03 | but they are too broken
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| 10:03 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: do the intel macs boot with yaboot or standard pxe?
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| 10:03 | <jammcq> yeah, it's a noble cause, but it's possible the fruit is hanging too high in the tree
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| 10:04 | <petre> warren, do they work with fbdev?
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| 10:04 | <warren> petre: yes, poorly
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| 10:04 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: neither
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| 10:04 | <petre> poorly = ?
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| 10:04 | <warren> petre: fbdev sucks
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| 10:05 | <jammcq> but to a student who otherwise wouldn't have anything, fbdev could be awesome
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| 10:05 | <petre> can users have OOo with fbdev? Firefox (w/o video)?
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| 10:06 | I'd say those two items are most important, as they provide the readin' & writin' parts of the 3 Rs
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| 10:08 | <cliebow> Gadi_eeepc, they dont boot at all that i knoe of
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| 10:09 | Gadi_eeepc, i played a little with that..but coulddnt get tftp..
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| 10:09 | <petre> warren, if I install a src rpm of a later version than of one already installed, what happens to the spec file in /usr/src/redhat/SPECS?
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| 10:09 | or am I supposed to clean out the old one first?
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| 10:10 | <warren> petre: you really shouldn't be building as root
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| 10:10 | <petre> I'm not
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| 10:12 | <warren> petre: i'm not exactly sure what you are asking, if you have general fedora dev questions you could ask in #fedora-devel
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| 10:12 | <EAG> Gadi_eeepc: getltscfg -a gives "syntax error in /etc/lts.conf, line 18"
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| 10:12 | <warren> i'm trying to get a new release out now
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| 10:12 | <petre> looks like it overwrites the old file, which is what I wanted
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| 10:13 | warren, I'm going to fix the missing Requires that I forgot yesterday, and double-space the comments like you asked
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| 10:13 | <EAG> That one contains nothing but commented stuff about using the lts.conf in /var/lib/tftboot/.. instead.
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| 10:13 | <petre> warren, should be done shortly
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| 10:14 | <warren> well, blank line between each entry
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| 10:14 | not each line
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| 10:14 | <sbalneav> Gadi_eeepc: yes!
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| 10:14 | <petre> right; double-space was easier to type into xchat ;-)
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| 10:16 | warren, do you mean blank line between each comment or between each revision (where each revision has multiple comments single-spaced)?
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| 10:16 | <warren> umm yes
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| 10:16 | <petre> both?
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| 10:16 | <warren> petre: rpm -q --changelog anyrpmname |less
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| 10:17 | <ltsppbot> "Gadi" pasted "Make ltsfpsd turn off auth for local connections" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/145
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| 10:17 | <Gadi_eeepc> sbalneav: ^^
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| 10:17 | <petre> ah, blank line between each revision; individual comments single spaced
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| 10:18 | <Gadi_eeepc> I am wondering how u feel about the idea of disabling ltspfsd's xatom auth stuff when the connection is from localhost
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> Gadi_eeepc: Seems okiedokie to me.
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| 10:18 | <Gadi_eeepc> the code or the idea?
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> Both
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| 10:18 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok, cool
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| 10:18 | <keyur> hello
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| 10:19 | <Gadi_eeepc> I think thats the missing piece I need to get it going in the new upstream
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| 10:19 | <keyur> i have updated my ltsp-4.2 with update 3
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| 10:19 | using ltspadmin utility
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> 1) It solves your problem 2) I have no philisophical objection 3) you used the indenting style I liked.
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| 10:19 | :)
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| 10:19 | <Gadi_eeepc> hehe
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| 10:20 | <keyur> i am not able to print neither on usb nor on parellel port printer
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| 10:20 | <sbalneav> I'd say it's a win. :)
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| 10:20 | keyur: Can you tell if the lpserve is being run on the thin client?
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| 10:21 | <keyur> no
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| 10:21 | not runnig
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| 10:21 | lp_server was not running
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| 10:21 | i did run it manually using following command
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| 10:21 | /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/sbin/lp_server -n 9100 -d /dev/usb/lp0 -r 192.168.0.0/24 -w &
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| 10:21 | but still no luck
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> It doesn't run?
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| 10:22 | Wehere are you starting that? On the thin client?
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| 10:22 | <keyur> using that command it was running
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> or on the server?
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| 10:22 | <keyur> i started that service on thin client using root
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| 10:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> stgraber: ping
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| 10:23 | <keyur> hence it keeps running even though i shutdown my client
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| 10:23 | <sbalneav> You can't have, because "/opt/ltsp-4.2" doesn't exist on the thin client. :)
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| 10:23 | You started it on the server
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| 10:23 | <keyur> yes
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| 10:24 | it is running on server
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> Please paste your lts.conf file to the pastebot.
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| 10:24 | !pastebot
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| 10:24 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:25 | <keyur> [Default]
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| 10:25 | SERVER = 192.168.0.150
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| 10:25 | XSERVER = auto
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| 10:25 | X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2"
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| 10:25 | X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux"
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| 10:25 | X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400
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| 10:25 | X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3
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| 10:25 | USE_XFS = N
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| 10:25 | SCREEN_01 = startx
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| 10:25 | <keyur> [jigar]
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| 10:25 | #PRINTER_0_WRITE_ONLY = Y
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| 10:25 | #MODULE_01 = usblp
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| 10:25 | PRINTER_0_TYPE = U
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| 10:25 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE= /dev/usb/lp0
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| 10:25 | #PRINTER_0_WRITE_ONLY = Y
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| 10:25 | <johnny> is this banshee bug still attached to ltsp.. what is going on with that..
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| 10:25 | keyur, you were supposed to paste it at that pastebot..
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| 10:26 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ogra: ping
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| 10:26 | <keyur> oh i was using this faclity first time
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| 10:26 | sorry for inconvinience
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> Change "PRINTER_0" references to "PRINTER_1"
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| 10:27 | and try that
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| 10:27 | <ltsppbot> "keyur" pasted "for johnny" (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/146
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| 10:27 | <keyur> ok i have paste the same on pastebot
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> So, "PRINTER_1_TYPE ="... "PRINTER_1_DEVICE"... etc.
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| 10:28 | <keyur> no i have only one printer attached on thin client
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| 10:29 | and i have tried using printer_1_type too
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| 10:29 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:29 | <keyur> but that bug was repair in ltsp-4.2 update 3
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| 10:30 | <Gadi_eeepc> keyur: create a shell session, and type "getltscfg -a" on the client
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| 10:30 | make sure it reads you conf file correctly
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| 10:30 | <keyur> ok, let me check
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Como voce esta meu amigo
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| 10:33 | <keyur> Gadi_eeepc, generate error message : Error retrieving file stats for file [/etc/lts.conf]: No such file or directory
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| 10:34 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 10:34 | sounds like u have issues
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| 10:35 | <keyur> my client boots perfect with any error
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| 10:35 | <Gadi_eeepc> do you not have (on server) /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/etc/lts.conf?
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| 10:35 | <keyur> it is creating problem only with printer
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| 10:35 | it is there
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| 10:35 | <Gadi_eeepc> ddo you have an /opt/ltsp dir too?
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| 10:35 | <keyur> yes
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| 10:36 | <Gadi_eeepc> pastebot your dhcpd.conf and /etc/exports
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| 10:36 | <keyur> ok
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| 10:37 | <Gadi_eeepc> my first guess is that you need to restart your nfs server OR the configuration is off
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| 10:37 | <ltsppbot> "keyur" pasted "dhcpd.conf file" (40 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/147
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| 10:38 | <ltsppbot> "keyur" pasted "etc/exports file" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/148
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| 10:39 | <keyur> while switching from /opt/ltsp to /opt/ltsp-4.2 i restarted my nfs service
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| 10:40 | <rjune> Gadi_eeepc, oo,o you got the eee?
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| 10:41 | <Gadi_eeepc> keyur: on the shell on the client, can you simply: ls /etc/lts.conf
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| 10:42 | rjune: yup. i love this thing - especially when I am home sick in bed
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| 10:42 | <keyur> yes, result says no such file or directory
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| 10:42 | <Gadi_eeepc> keyur: you are doing this on the client right - not the server
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| 10:42 | <keyur> yes
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| 10:43 | <Gadi_eeepc> hmm...
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| 10:43 | <petre> warren, http://peterscheie.fedorapeople.org/k12linux/quick-start-guide/k12linux-quick-start-guide-0.0.5-1.fc9.src.rpm
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| 10:43 | <Gadi_eeepc> on the server, can you: ls /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 10:43 | (note the ltsp NOT ltsp-4.2)
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| 10:44 | * Gadi_eeepc wonders if it is connecting to your old filesystem | |
| 10:44 | <warren> petre: thx
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| 10:44 | <keyur> i have rename that file to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf1 just to make sure that that would not be used
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| 10:45 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok - in the shell on the client, do: ls /etc/lts.conf1
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| 10:45 | <rjune> Gadi_eeepc, sorry to hear that mate. hope you feel better
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| 10:45 | <Gadi_eeepc> rjune: no worries - its that time of year
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| 10:45 | <keyur> ls /etc/lts.conf1 - no such files or directory found (on client)
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| 10:45 | <Gadi_eeepc> hmm
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| 10:46 | keyur: can you reboot the server?
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| 10:46 | something is weird
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| 10:47 | <keyur> Gadi_eeepc, ok, will reboot the server, but i will have to relogin again with irc.freenode.net as i am doing same from server
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| 10:47 | <petre> Gadi_eeepc, you too?
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| 10:47 | <keyur> will relogin and ping you back once finish reboot with server
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| 10:47 | * petre has to settle for just a laptop while sick in bed | |
| 10:47 | <keyur> thanks
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| 10:47 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok
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| 10:48 | * Gadi_eeepc passes petre a tissue | |
| 10:48 | * petre passes Gadi_eeepc some aspirin | |
| 10:49 | <Gadi_eeepc> no-bo-dy knows... the trouble I've seen....
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| 10:49 | hehe
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| 10:50 | <johnny> nubae, does ipcop over ntp with avahi ?
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| 10:50 | or wait.. was that you
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| 10:50 | i forget
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| 10:55 | <keyur> hello, restarted server
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| 10:56 | hello, restarted server
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| 10:57 | hello, r u there?
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| 11:01 | <keyur> hello, restarted the server
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| 11:01 | still no luck with printer on client
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| 11:02 | <Gadi_eeepc> hey
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| 11:02 | <keyur> Gadi_eeepc, restarted my server but sill no luck with printer issue on client,
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| 11:02 | client boots without any problem
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| 11:02 | <Gadi_eeepc> keyur: is /etc/lts.conf still not on the client?
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| 11:04 | <keyur> no not on client
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| 11:04 | <Gadi_eeepc> and you are on a console shell on the client
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| 11:05 | not a terminal window in your X session?
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| 11:05 | LTSP 4.2 is incapable of booting without an lts.conf
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| 11:05 | <keyur> no, i was in terminal window in my X session, let me login with sheel
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| 11:10 | <keyur> i rebooted my client in sheel mode
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| 11:10 | ls /etc/lts.conf is there
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| 11:11 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok, from the shell: getltscfg -a
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| 11:11 | do you see the printer vars?
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| 11:12 | <keyur> no there are no pritner vars available
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| 11:13 | <keyur> getltscfg -a generate list of 10-12 lines without any printer vars
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| 11:14 | <Gadi_eeepc> keyur: do ifconfig and write down the mac address of the client
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| 11:14 | then, change your lts.conf to us: [<MAC>] instead of [jigar]
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| 11:15 | * Gadi_eeepc thinks your clients hostname is not setup correctly | |
| 11:15 | <keyur> ok
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| 11:15 | let me chage it
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| 11:16 | <Silvergti> hello
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| 11:17 | <cliebow> allo
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| 11:18 | <warren> Anybody have access to PPC or Intel Macs? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WarrenTogami/AppleMACAddresses
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| 11:20 | <Silvergti> need some help: i have a module that i need to boot, it's to Thin client Nic. how can i do that?
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| 11:20 | <vagrantc> Gadi_eeepc: nice work on the CONFIGURE_X changes
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| 11:20 | :)
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| 11:21 | <Gadi_eeepc> vagrantc: thx
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| 11:21 | <keyur> dear Gadi_eeepc, printer start sensing my command from thin client
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| 11:21 | seems that problem is solved
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| 11:21 | <Gadi_eeepc> keyur: yay!
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| 11:22 | <keyur> thans
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| 11:22 | thanks
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| 11:22 | ha.. ha..
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| 11:22 | i was trying very hard on it since last 2 days
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| 11:22 | <Gadi_eeepc> keyur: your dhcpd.conf looks wrong to me
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| 11:22 | I always put host decls in a group
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| 11:22 | <keyur> Gadi_eeepc, u really help me very well, thank u very much
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| 11:22 | <Gadi_eeepc> not a subnet
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| 11:23 | and, you have get-leas-hostnames on, so you should have an entry for jigar in /etc/hosts
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| 11:23 | without thos changes, the thin client won't get hostname jigar
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| 11:23 | <keyur> jigar entry was there in /etc/hosts
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| 11:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 11:23 | <keyur> and thin client was getting jigar as host name
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| 11:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 11:24 | well, MAC is always for sure
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| 11:24 | :)
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| 11:25 | <keyur> should i chage to my get-lease-hostname to false?
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| 11:26 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: the kwality of my hack will never be surpassed by you
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| 11:26 | Gadi_eeepc: I'm adding every possible PPC MAC prefix to my dhcpd.conf
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| 11:27 | <Silvergti> need some help: i have a module that i need to boot, it's to Thin client Nic. how can i do that? i really need help
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| 11:28 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: lol
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| 11:28 | <keyur> Gadi_eeepc, thanks
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| 11:28 | <Gadi_eeepc> keyur: no
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| 11:28 | <keyur> i am feeling very relax now
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| 11:28 | <Gadi_eeepc> get-lease-hostnames tells dhcp to get hostnames from DNS (including /etc/hosts)
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| 11:29 | <keyur> ok so i should change it to false
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| 11:29 | <Gadi_eeepc> no
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| 11:29 | keep it tru
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| 11:29 | or us: use-host-decls
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| 11:29 | which uses the host decl name
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| 11:29 | Silvergti: what distro?
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| 11:30 | <Silvergti> Gadi_eeepc: Ubuntu
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| 11:30 | <keyur> ok then i will change my dhcpd to use use-host-decls
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| 11:31 | Gadi_eeepc, it as 11PM here, i go and have dinner, thanks once again Gadi_eeepc
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| 11:31 | bye
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| 11:32 | <Gadi_eeepc> Silvergti: you need to compil the driver against the thin client's kernel, copy it into the thin client chroot, chroot into the chroot and run a depmod -a as well as an update-initramfs -u
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| 11:32 | and an /usr/lib/ltsp/update_kernels
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| 11:32 | then, exit the chroot and run an ltsp-update-kernels
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| 11:32 | <Silvergti> ok Gadi_eeepc thanks :)
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| 11:33 | <Gadi_eeepc> np
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| 11:33 | you may also need to blacklis things
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| 11:33 | if you are fixing a broken driver
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| 11:33 | <Silvergti> ok :)
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| 11:35 | <PerlStalker> I'm having issues with ltsp on Ubuntu Ibex. Would it be better to ask here or in #ubuntu?
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| 11:37 | <nubae> here or #edubuntu
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| 11:37 | <PerlStalker> Fair enough.
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| 11:37 | I have the default ltsp install working a test environment.
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| 11:38 | I created a new image (with a different chroot) but my client continues to boot to the default image even after changing dhcp.conf and restarting dhcpd.
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| 11:38 | <cliebow> PerlStalker, the guys that wrote it are here
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| 11:40 | <warren> cliebow: ping
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| 11:40 | <Gadi_eeepc> PerlStalker: the new chroot is on a different port
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| 11:40 | <PerlStalker> I also ran ltsp-update-image -a newimg -p 2001 to, hopefully, point the new image at the port used nbdrootd
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| 11:40 | <warren> cliebow: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WarrenTogami/AppleMACAddresses I need MAC addresses especially from those old iMacs
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| 11:40 | <Gadi_eeepc> see: /etc/inetd.conf
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| 11:40 | <PerlStalker> Gadi_eeepc: Indeed
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| 11:40 | <Gadi_eeepc> you should pass the port as a kernel arg in the pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 11:41 | I believe it is:
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| 11:41 | <cliebow> warren:looking
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| 11:41 | <Gadi_eeepc> NBDPORT=2001
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| 11:41 | but I ned to check
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| 11:41 | *need
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| 11:42 | <PerlStalker> I have nbdport=2001 in pxelinux.cfg/default already.
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| 11:43 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah ok
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| 11:43 | and it still doesnt work?
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| 11:43 | <PerlStalker> No
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| 11:44 | <Gadi_eeepc> does syslog say it is exporting the new one?
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| 11:44 | <PerlStalker> nbd_server:... assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 11:45 | My new image is named 'kiosk'
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| 11:45 | <Gadi_eeepc> did you change /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default?
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| 11:45 | or ...//kiosk.../pxelinux.fcfg...
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| 11:47 | <PerlStalker> I did not change i386, kiosk is the default created by ltsp-[build,update]-image and includes the nbdport=2001 option.
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| 11:47 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok and what does: grep filename /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf return/
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| 11:47 | ?
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| 11:47 | <warren> cliebow: do you need help for looking at MAC addreses?
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| 11:48 | <PerlStalker> filename "/ltsp/kiosk/pxelinux.0"
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| 11:48 | <Gadi_eeepc> hmm
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| 11:49 | <PerlStalker> I commented out all of the i386 lines in dhcpd.conf and replaced them with the equivalent kiosk lines.
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| 11:49 | Could dhcpd be caching those values through restarts?
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| 11:50 | <Gadi_eeepc> shouldt be
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| 11:50 | <cliebow> warren:no..kind of tied up
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| 11:50 | <Gadi_eeepc> PerlStalker: do this: remove "quiet splash" and add "break=mount"
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| 11:51 | <warren> cliebow: ok, please let me know later, you'll have a modern distro that boots ancient imacs out of the box =)
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| 11:51 | <Gadi_eeepc> then, the client should boot into the initramfs
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| 11:51 | and you can check the /proc/cmdline
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| 11:51 | to see if it is passed the correct arg
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| 11:51 | <PerlStalker> OK. Standby.
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| 11:52 | <Gadi_eeepc> PS: the client is PXE booting and not etherbooting, right?
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| 11:52 | <PerlStalker> Yes
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| 11:53 | <cliebow> warren:ill look about in my address leases
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| 11:53 | <warren> cliebow: sadly, everyone else who responded has things newer than iMacs, so I might be missing the very machines I'm trying to support
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| 11:54 | <PerlStalker> WTF?! I still seems to be hitting the default image.
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| 11:54 | <cliebow> all of mine are out in the old schoolbus at the top of the hill now
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| 11:54 | <johnny> i have some old imacs with 128mb ram
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| 11:54 | at 2640
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| 11:55 | <johnny> g3 i think
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| 11:55 | <PerlStalker> Hmmm. Perhaps it's not PXE booting. It's loading /ltsp/kiosk/nbi.img
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| 11:55 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 11:55 | then you need the etherboot magic to pass params in dhcpd.conf
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| 11:57 | <PerlStalker> Where can I find docs for params to pass?
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| 12:00 | <Gadi_eeepc> lemme see if I have it
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| 12:00 | PerlStalker: add these lines globally:
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| 12:01 | option option-128 code 128 = string;
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| 12:01 | option option-129 code 129 = text;
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| 12:01 | and then for all the kiosk hosts...
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| 12:02 | option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00;
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| 12:02 | option option-129 "nbdport=2001";
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| 12:02 | I think that ought to do it
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| 12:03 | <cliebow> loks good
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| 12:05 | <warren> johnny: if you can figure out its Mac address that'd be good
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| 12:06 | johnny: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WarrenTogami/AppleMACAddresses
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| 12:06 | <johnny> i don't think i'll be able to touch it until after the holidays
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| 12:07 | <PerlStalker> Gadi_eeepc: Out of curiosity, what's the hex string?
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| 12:10 | Gadi_eeepc: That didn't work
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| 12:11 | According to syslog, it's still loading i386.img
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| 12:11 | <Gadi_eeepc> PerlStalker: black magic afaik
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| 12:12 | <Gadi_eeepc> PerlStalker: well, Ive got one more thing you can do
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| 12:12 | <PerlStalker> Ok
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| 12:12 | <Gadi_eeepc> change "2000" to "2001" in /opt/ltsp/kiosk/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ltsp-nbd
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| 12:13 | then: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/kiosk
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| 12:13 | update-initramfs -u
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| 12:13 | /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 12:13 | exit the chroot
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| 12:13 | and sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 12:15 | <PerlStalker> Do I need a ltsp-build-image, too?
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| 12:16 | <Gadi_eeepc> nope
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| 12:17 | <PerlStalker> Syslog still shows it loading i386.img
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| 12:18 | <Gadi_eeepc> you did edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, right?
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| 12:18 | not the other dhcpd.conf
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| 12:18 | <PerlStalker> Yes
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| 12:19 | <Gadi_eeepc> check the timestamp on the nbi file
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| 12:19 | make sure it is the new one
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| 12:20 | <PerlStalker> The timestamp looks right. About 5 mins ago.
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| 12:21 | <Gadi_eeepc> is this the only client right now?
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| 12:21 | <PerlStalker> Yes
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| 12:22 | <Gadi_eeepc> try: sudo pkill -9 nbd
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| 12:22 | and reboot the client
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| 12:22 | <johnny> my favorite pkill option is -f
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| 12:22 | pkill -f firefox works on every distro :)
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| 12:23 | works great when the running program is ran by something else..
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| 12:27 | <PerlStalker> Gadi_eeepc: Still nothing.
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| 12:29 | <Gadi_eeepc> weird
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| 12:29 | what happens if you add nbdport=2001 to the i386/pxelinux.cfgdefauult
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| 12:29 | <PerlStalker> Hmm. I'm going back through what you said about changing ltsp_nbd. I don't seem to have /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels in the chroot.
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| 12:30 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 12:30 | try: /usr/share/ltsp
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| 12:30 | <PerlStalker> There it os
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| 12:30 | s/os/is/
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| 12:30 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 12:30 | chroot in and run that
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| 12:30 | then exit
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| 12:30 | and ltsp-update-kerneels
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| 12:31 | <PerlStalker> Huzzah!
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| 12:32 | I'm only getting a black screen but it's loaded the correct image.
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| 12:32 | There it goes.
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| 12:32 | <Gadi_eeepc> cool
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| 12:33 | yeah, I guess we just need to find the correct way to pass kernel args to etherboot images
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| 12:33 | I thought the black magic was correct
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| 12:33 | guess not
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| 12:33 | :(
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| 12:35 | <PerlStalker> That's a reasonable work around for now. The actual client will PXE boot.
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| 12:41 | It seems the default kiosk mode is broken but that's not a biggie.
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| 12:57 | <EAG> hmm, X_CONF doesnt seem to work at all on my install... and only /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf works. Not /var/lib/tftboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf. Is that really as it should be?
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| 12:58 | I dont get error messages when I use the chrooted lts.conf if I try getltscfg -a
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| 12:58 | but X_CONF doesnt seem to matter
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| 13:00 | <EAG> its a bit confusing :)
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| 13:06 | <Silvergti> Gadi_eeepc, I don't have /usr/lib/ltsp/update_kernels but /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 13:06 | does that makes diference?
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| 13:07 | because the module it's not being loaded in thin client
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| 13:08 | if i do "modprobe -l | grep module" i can see the module in the server in thin client chroot
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| 13:09 | but not in the initramfs on thinclient
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| 13:11 | <Gadi_eeepc> sorry - I meant /usr/share
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| 13:11 | <Silvergti> oh ok, np :)
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| 13:11 | <Gadi_eeepc> what is the kernel version in the chroot?
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| 13:12 | <Silvergti> 2.6.27-9-generic
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| 13:12 | <Gadi_eeepc> and did you replace a module or add a new one?
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| 13:12 | <Silvergti> add
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| 13:12 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 13:13 | and you did depmod -a?
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| 13:13 | <Silvergti> yes
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| 13:13 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok, try this:
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| 13:13 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 13:13 | update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.27-9-generic
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| 13:13 | /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernel
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| 13:14 | <Gadi_eeepc> exit
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| 13:14 | sudo ltsp-udate-kernels
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| 13:14 | er, sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 13:16 | <Silvergti> still not showing :S
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| 13:17 | <Gadi_eeepc> Silvergti: what module is it?
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| 13:17 | <Silvergti> r8168
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| 13:17 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 13:18 | you prolly need to blacklist r8169
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| 13:18 | do this:
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| 13:18 | <Silvergti> done already
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| 13:19 | <Gadi_eeepc> did you add the module to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools/modules?
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| 13:19 | <Silvergti> nop
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| 13:19 | <Gadi_eeepc> if not, add a line with "r8168"
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| 13:20 | and then update the initramfs again
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| 13:20 | and update the kernels
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| 13:21 | <Silvergti> testing
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| 13:23 | no...
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| 13:24 | <Gadi_eeepc> what happens if you modprobe r8168 at the initramfs prompt?
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| 13:24 | <Silvergti> do i have to create the blacklist-network file?
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| 13:24 | nothing
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| 13:24 | <Gadi_eeepc> now lsmod|grep r8168
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| 13:25 | <Silvergti> lsmod not found
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| 13:25 | <Gadi_eeepc> cat /proc/modules|grep r8168
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| 13:25 | <Silvergti> noting
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| 13:26 | <Gadi_eeepc> ls /lib/modules/<tab>/kernel/drivers/net/r8*
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| 13:26 | <Silvergti> and nothing at modprobe -l | grep r8168
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| 13:27 | <Silvergti> hum... only r8169.ko
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| 13:27 | <Gadi_eeepc> are you sure you rebuilt the initramfs?
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| 13:28 | and updated the one in the tftp dir?
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| 13:28 | <Silvergti> yes...
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| 13:29 | wired...
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| 13:29 | well, i got all the steps u gave. gona remake
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| 13:29 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok
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| 13:29 | <Ryan52> Gadi_eeepc, does the --progress thing that I added do everything you needed?
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| 13:30 | <Silvergti> tks a lot for help Gadi_eeepc :)
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| 13:30 | <Gadi_eeepc> Ryan52: I saw the update but havent tested yet
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| 13:30 | Silvergti: np
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| 13:30 | <Silvergti> cya tomorrow
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| 13:30 | <Gadi_eeepc> Ryan52: thx so much for doing it
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| 13:30 | <Ryan52> yw
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| 13:41 | <Gadi_eeepc> Ryan52: just one request
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| 13:41 | (if im not pushing my luck)
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| 13:42 | an "--auto-close" which closes the dialog when it reaches 100%
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| 13:42 | <Ryan52> okay, give me a few minutes.
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| 13:47 | <Ryan52> Gadi_eeepc: okay, pushed.
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| 13:52 | <Gadi_eeepc> Ryan52: u rock
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| 13:55 | <warren> http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/XS70-xserver-ppc-r128-hack Any objections to this?
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| 13:55 | Gadi_eeepc: stgraber: vagrantc: Ryan52: ogra: ^^^
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| 13:58 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: I dont think ubuntu has an "arch" command
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| 13:58 | <warren> what!?
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| 13:58 | really?
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| 13:58 | <Gadi_eeepc> arch: command not found
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| 13:58 | <johnny> command ?
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| 13:59 | <warren> [warren@newcaprica work]$ which arch
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| 13:59 | /bin/arch
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| 13:59 | [warren@newcaprica work]$ rpm -qf /bin/arch
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| 13:59 | coreutils-6.12-18.fc10.x86_64
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| 13:59 | arch seems pretty important?
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| 13:59 | <johnny> gentoo has it
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| 14:00 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: what do you use to tell you the arch?
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| 14:00 | <johnny> coreutils:
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| 14:00 | Installed: 6.10-6ubuntu1
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| 14:00 | <Gadi_eeepc> I never asked
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| 14:00 | :)
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| 14:02 | how about uname -m ?
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| 14:02 | does that work for you?
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| 14:03 | <johnny> odd.. because coreutils 6.10 ships arch
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> dpkg --print-architecture
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| 14:05 | <johnny> ah.. you have to manually build
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| 14:05 | econf \
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| 14:05 | --enable-install-program="arch" \
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| 14:05 | it's not by default i guess
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| 14:07 | is it possible to make the debian people include arch ?
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> what's it give us that uname -m doesn't ?
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| 14:08 | <warren> it seems that uname -m does the equivalent
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> you might have to fuzzy match, for which i'd use a case statement ...
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| 14:09 | <Ryan52> from the arch man page: arch \- print machine hardware name (same as uname -m)
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| 14:09 | <Gadi_eeepc> hehe
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| 14:09 | <Ryan52> so I'm gonna guess that there's no difference :)
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> if [ -z "$XSERVER ]; then case $(uname -m) in ... ppc*) if [ -n "$(ltspci ...
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| 14:09 | <johnny> shouldn't we all be using the same coreutils? i thought the linux plumbers conference was all about that :(
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| 14:10 | it'd be nice :(
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| 14:10 | <openstep> hi
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| 14:10 | * vagrantc disappears into the ether | |
| 14:11 | <johnny> the other way is something funner like this :)
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| 14:11 | linux32 uname -m
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| 14:11 | then you get ppc no matter what :)
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| 14:12 | <warren> vagrantc: that card wouldn't be in anything newer than ppc
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| 14:12 | vagrantc: but yeah, uname -m should be before lspci
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| 14:14 | <openstep> good evening, may I interrupt xou guys?
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| 14:15 | <Ryan52> !question
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| 14:15 | <ltspbot`> Ryan52: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 14:15 | <Gadi_eeepc> openstep: butt in at any time
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| 14:15 | <Ryan52> openstep: ^
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| 14:15 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: u going to push to ltsp-trunk/
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| 14:15 | ?
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| 14:15 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: you need to tag soon?
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| 14:15 | <Gadi_eeepc> I have a commit, but ladies first
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| 14:15 | :)
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| 14:16 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: I am going to test this script in ~45 minutes before pushing
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| 14:16 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah ok
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| 14:16 | <openstep> Well, then I am just about finishing my ltsp deployment in a high school
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| 14:16 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: go ahead
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| 14:16 | <openstep> I have some funny problems
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| 14:16 | one is: printing
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| 14:17 | I have purchased an edimax print server
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| 14:17 | and an older laserprinter
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| 14:17 | and... it does not work
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| 14:17 | <Gadi_eeepc> what on earth is an edimax print server?
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| 14:17 | <openstep> I configured the print server for the sam subnet
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| 14:18 | it has a web interface and I just can not print
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| 14:18 | <Gadi_eeepc> well, for starterrs, its prolly a question more suitable to #edubuntu
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| 14:18 | as it sounds like it has nothing to do with LTSP per-se
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| 14:19 | <openstep> http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=50&pl1_id=7&pl2_id=34
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| 14:19 | <EAG> how do I force the thin client to boot a certain kernel? I seem to have 2.6.24-16, 2.6.24-19 and -22
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| 14:19 | <Gadi_eeepc> you set it for the same subnet as the thin client subnet?
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| 14:19 | <openstep> yes
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| 14:19 | <EAG> and it boots -16, which may be causing my problems...
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| 14:19 | <openstep> 192.168....
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| 14:20 | <Gadi_eeepc> openstep: it has a unique IP (outside the range used for the clients)
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| 14:20 | <openstep> I can reach it via web interface but not to print
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| 14:20 | <Gadi_eeepc> is it a jetdirect print server?
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| 14:20 | <openstep> nope
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| 14:20 | <Gadi_eeepc> what does it use?
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| 14:20 | IPP?
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| 14:20 | Windows share?
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| 14:21 | Appletalk?
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| 14:21 | :)
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| 14:21 | <openstep> that too
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| 14:21 | <Gadi_eeepc> hehe
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| 14:21 | <openstep> look here
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| 14:21 | http://www.edimax.com/en/produce_detail.php?pd_id=50&pl1_id=7&pl2_id=34
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| 14:22 | <Gadi_eeepc> when you open the printer admin dialog, does it ind it?
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| 14:22 | *find
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| 14:22 | Administration > Printing
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| 14:22 | <openstep> well, no
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| 14:23 | I have to type its address in
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| 14:23 | just a sec
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| 14:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> did you configurre it for IPP?
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| 14:23 | or TCP/IP?
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| 14:24 | <openstep> well it is open to all of them
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| 14:24 | and have tried both
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| 14:24 | <Gadi_eeepc> can you: telnet <ip-of-print-server> 9100
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| 14:24 | or: telnet <ip> 631
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| 14:25 | <openstep> haven tryed
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| 14:26 | I will tomorrow
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| 14:29 | <Gadi_eeepc> did you have a look at the manual on that website?
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| 14:29 | <openstep> sure
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| 14:29 | many times
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| 14:29 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok...
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| 14:30 | they say they support Linux
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| 14:30 | I am sure they can also help
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| 14:30 | <openstep> yes, I was just wondered how other people do it
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| 14:30 | <Gadi_eeepc> there's nothing LTSP-related here
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| 14:31 | its only a question of getting the Linux OS to create a print queue
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| 14:31 | with that device
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| 14:31 | <openstep> minolta page pro6
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| 14:33 | ok next question
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| 14:34 | some of the client pcs just take a very long time to boot
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| 14:35 | I mean same type pcs, and some of them stop at the point where it says during boot
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| 14:35 | <Gadi_eeepc> 2. The host name should be the name (or IP address)
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| 14:35 | that you have assigned to the print server.
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| 14:35 | 3. The printer name (or queue name) on the remote host
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| 14:35 | should be lpt1, lpt2 or lpt3, the name of the printer
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| 14:35 | port on the print server.
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| 14:35 | <openstep> blabla. img (DONE)
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| 14:35 | <Gadi_eeepc> looks like you set your printer to be an LPR printer with queue lpt1
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| 14:36 | <openstep> I have tryed many combinations
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| 14:37 | but many thanks
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| 14:37 | I will try tomorrow
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| 14:37 | <warren> ok, i'im back
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| 14:39 | <openstep> one more:
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| 14:40 | what is a good way to lockdown users to their home?
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| 14:40 | <rjune> ball and chain
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| 14:40 | or chain anchored to their toilet
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| 14:41 | <openstep> :)
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| 14:41 | <petre> openstep, linux/unix security model is 30+ years old; not being confined to $HOME should not be a problem
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| 14:41 | <rjune> in KDE, look at Kiosktool, in GNOME, look at Sabyon
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| 14:42 | <openstep> sabayon does not work
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| 14:42 | <rjune> openstep, You should also look at noexec for /tmp and /home, ro for /usr
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| 14:42 | <openstep> freezez all the time
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| 14:43 | <EAG> how do I change the kernel to boot on the client?
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| 14:43 | <openstep> rjune thanks
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| 14:43 | <EAG> If someone can help me plz
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| 14:43 | <openstep> I decided to use xfce
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| 14:43 | it also has kiosk mode
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| 14:44 | now I only need to make sure users can not look outside their home
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| 14:45 | that is my problem
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| 14:45 | <Gadi_eeepc> EAG: are the clients PXE clients?
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| 14:45 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: are you done pushing?
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| 14:45 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: indeed
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| 14:46 | <EAG> yes, the client keeps booting 2.6.24-16 but I want it to use 2.6.24-19
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| 14:46 | <Gadi_eeepc> EAG: pxelinux.cfg/default tells it what kernel to use
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| 14:46 | <johnny> i'll get back to work soon..
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| 14:46 | on sabayon
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| 14:46 | <Gadi_eeepc> in ubuntu it is vmlinuz which is a symlink
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| 14:46 | in the pxelinux dir
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| 14:46 | <cliebow> EAG:get that..from the Sage
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| 14:47 | <EAG> ok
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| 14:47 | <Gadi_eeepc> EAG: change the symlink or change the default file
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| 14:47 | <rjune> openstep, why?
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| 14:47 | <Gadi_eeepc> ur choice
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| 14:47 | <rjune> openstep, are you concerned they'll get into somebody else's home?
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| 14:47 | or is it just general security?
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| 14:47 | <EAG> aaah I get crazy soon, it points to -19-generic already :(
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| 14:48 | it cant be the wrong directory either :(
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| 14:49 | <petre> openstep, if users' home directories have 700 for permissions, they can't get access to each other's files
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| 14:49 | <openstep> rjune
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| 14:50 | rjune: security and it is a school so that is why
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| 14:51 | <warren> TAG ALERT!
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| 14:51 | Anybody plan on touching anything today?
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| 14:51 | I want to tag and build tonight.
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| 14:51 | <openstep> aha, and can all the software still run?
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| 14:51 | rjune: I am not very good with permissions
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| 14:53 | <openstep> thanks and see you later
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| 14:54 | <TheProf> Hello - I hope everyone is well. I have what's probably a simple question. I've got a fedora code based LTSP server that currently has 2 GB of ram. I'm upgrading it to 4 gb ram. Question- other than adding the ram, do I need to do anything else? Any settings in the OS? Also, I recall that the size of the swap was based on the amount of ram at installation. Do I need to change that?
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| 14:54 | Thank you.
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| 14:56 | <cliebow> TheProf, seems like you'd have oodles of swap..
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| 14:57 | <TheProf> cliebow: I do recall that there's a fair amount of swap now yes. I wasn't sure if there was some relationship between swap size and ram amount that had to be maintained or not.
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| 14:58 | <cliebow> i dont think so at that level..2 gig it used to calculate swap size
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| 15:00 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: o
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| 15:01 | Gadi_eeepc: I just built ltsp-trunk + the ppc hack
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| 15:02 | Gadi_eeepc: I have confirmation that the ppc hack works on its own, but it isn't writing any xorg.conf again
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| 15:02 | <Gadi_eeepc> really?
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| 15:03 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: perhaps the CONFIGURE_X changes broke something?
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| 15:03 | <Gadi_eeepc> hmm
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| 15:03 | what happens if you set CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 15:03 | oh - and where did you put the hack?
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| 15:03 | was it *before* XS85-xserver?
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| 15:04 | <TheProf> OK thanks for that information.
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| 15:04 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: XS70
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| 15:04 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok
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| 15:04 | hmm... can you paste the hack?
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| 15:05 | <warren> # Only assemble a xorg.conf is CONFIGURE_X=False
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| 15:05 | if boolean_is_true "${CONFIGURE_X}"; then
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| 15:05 | # Run custom command if supplied, otherwise use ours
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| 15:05 | if [ -n "${CONFIGURE_X_COMMAND}" ] && [ -x "${CONFIGURE_X_COMMAND}" ]; then
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| 15:05 | how much sense does this make?
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| 15:05 | CONFIGURE_X is undefined, does it actually run the next conditional?
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| 15:05 | <Gadi_eeepc> oh - forget that first comment
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| 15:06 | It should read only assemble if True
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| 15:06 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/XS70-xserver-ppc-r128-hack
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| 15:06 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: look at thee xserver script
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| 15:06 | the XS85-xserver
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| 15:07 | <warren> oh I see
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| 15:07 | <warren> if [ -n "${XSERVER}" ]; then
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| 15:07 | CONFIGURE_X="True"
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| 15:07 | fi
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| 15:07 | <Gadi_eeepc> right
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| 15:07 | the iddea is CONFIGURE_x gets enabled as needded
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| 15:07 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: XS70-* hack scripts don't need to export XSERVER right?
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| 15:07 | <Gadi_eeepc> thats way too many d's
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| 15:07 | <warren> only XSERVER= is fine?
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| 15:07 | <Gadi_eeepc> I think so
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| 15:08 | because everything is sourced
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| 15:08 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: did you test if XS70-xserver-geode-gx2-hack actually works? I didn't.
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| 15:08 | <Gadi_eeepc> I didn't with this change
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| 15:08 | <warren> you tested it prior?
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| 15:08 | <Gadi_eeepc> yeah
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| 15:09 | what happens if you set XSERVER in your lts.conf?
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| 15:09 | does it create the xorg.conf?
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| 15:09 | (it should)
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| 15:10 | <warren> checking
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| 15:12 | <Gadi_eeepc> meanwhile, I am going to fix that comment
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| 15:12 | and push
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| 15:12 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: setting XSERVER manually in lts.conf works
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| 15:13 | <Gadi_eeepc> hmm...
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| 15:14 | oh...
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| 15:14 | no
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| 15:14 | you know what
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| 15:14 | you should set your hack to make CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 15:15 | because your hack only sets XSERVER in the funtion
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| 15:15 | *function
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| 15:15 | which is only called if CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 15:15 | <warren> hah
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| 15:15 | ok, so both hacks should have it?
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| 15:16 | <Gadi_eeepc> well, yeah, I guess
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| 15:16 | to make it automatic
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| 15:16 | otherwise, we would have to tell people to turn on CONFIGURE_X
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| 15:16 | they need it outside the function
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| 15:17 | <warren> could you add it to geode hack? I'm testing the other one
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| 15:17 | brb
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| 15:17 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> Gadi_eeepc: the whole thing should be wrapped in that, function, and *_hacks variable setting, no?
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> Gadi_eeepc: no sense telling it to run a function that does nothing...
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| 15:17 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: wait a sec
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| 15:17 | <Gadi_eeepc> waiting...
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| 15:18 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: wouldn't many of the other functions not run because of this same issue?
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| 15:18 | if they are the only thing set
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| 15:18 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: no bec the conditional is outside the function in those
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| 15:19 | <warren> example?
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| 15:19 | <Gadi_eeepc> lookk at XS85-xserver
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| 15:19 | vagrantc: ur right, I should pull the function setting into the conditional
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> Gadi_eeepc: basically, the whole thing.
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| 15:20 | <Gadi_eeepc> well, you cannot have a function in a conditional
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| 15:20 | afaik
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> why not?
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| 15:20 | <Gadi_eeepc> can u?
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> why not?
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| 15:20 | <Gadi_eeepc> dunno
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> because?
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| 15:20 | <Gadi_eeepc> I just thought you cannot have conditional functions
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 15:21 | GOTO.
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| 15:21 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: putting CONFIGURE_X into the conditional is a chicken and egg
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| 15:22 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: right
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| 15:23 | lemme show you an example
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| 15:23 | one sec
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| 15:23 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: perhaps the hacks effect things like XSERVER need to run outside of a function
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| 15:24 | Gadi_eeepc: or a function that is run before it decides to run the others.
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| 15:25 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: I just changed the geode hack
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| 15:25 | take a look at it
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| 15:26 | <warren> ok yeah, no longer a function
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| 15:26 | <Gadi_eeepc> still a fuction
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| 15:26 | just within the conditional
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| 15:27 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: why bother having a function in there?
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| 15:27 | <PerlStalker> Has anyone setup LTSP in such a way that would allow a user to choose from a list if images?
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| 15:28 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: the functions make sure that everything in a particular section gets added properly without multiple hacks stepping on each other
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| 15:28 | actually, ur right
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| 15:28 | for the extra hacks we dont need a function
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> depends on how the hack is implemented...
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| 15:29 | <Gadi_eeepc> like hacks that change existing vars
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| 15:29 | that are already handled
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| 15:29 | but, if you wanted to add something new to one of the xorg sections, you would need a function
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| 15:29 | PerlStalker: you can use pxelinux for that
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| 15:30 | brb
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| 15:36 | <nubae> PerlStalker: its possible but requires some hacking
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| 15:37 | <Gadi_eeepc> vagrantc: just cleaned up all those functions
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> cool
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| 15:37 | <Gadi_eeepc> looks a lot better
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| 15:44 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: oh wait
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| 15:44 | actually
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| 15:44 | Gadi_eeepc: I suppose keeping it a function is better, because the order of hacks is more predictable that way? I dunno.
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| 15:58 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: does it ll work now?
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| 15:58 | *all
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| 15:58 | ie with ur hack?
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| 15:59 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: is everything good now?
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| 16:00 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: should I test wiht all your changes?
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| 16:00 | <Gadi_eeepc> please
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| 16:01 | and with ur hack
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| 16:01 | I just want to make sure there isnt any unforeseen weirdness
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| 16:01 | <warren> yeah
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| 16:01 | <Gadi_eeepc> btw: a bit OT - do you know just *how* modular xorg.conf is now?
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| 16:01 | <warren> missing sections are autodetected in general
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| 16:02 | <Gadi_eeepc> for example, can I set a driver option but no drivver in the device section?
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| 16:02 | <warren> you can have only a Device section
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| 16:02 | that I don't know
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| 16:02 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok
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| 16:02 | im worried about all those cases
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| 16:02 | like if someone *just* set X_OPTION_01
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| 16:02 | *sets
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| 16:02 | <warren> I just asked
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| 16:02 | ajax doesn't know
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| 16:02 | we're doomed
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| 16:03 | <Gadi_eeepc> hehe
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| 16:03 | is ajax both a floor cleaner AND a desert topping?
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| 16:03 | *dessert
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| 16:03 | damn
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| 16:03 | jokes dont work when you make typos
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| 16:04 | * Gadi_eeepc had a prof who used to say things like that | |
| 16:05 | <Gadi_eeepc> oh crap
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| 16:05 | actually, with this new code, ur hack cannot use a function
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| 16:05 | it MUST set the variable
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| 16:05 | crap
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| 16:05 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: ok, let's treat hacks as a special function
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| 16:05 | * Gadi_eeepc shakes fist | |
| 16:06 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: hacks should happen like after 00 setvars?
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| 16:06 | let me think....
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| 16:06 | <Gadi_eeepc> well, I think hacks that set lts.conf vars need to happen before XS80 and need to just set the var
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| 16:07 | <warren> hacks effect variables that normally come from lts.conf
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| 16:07 | but what else can hacks do?
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| 16:07 | <Gadi_eeepc> well, lets say there's a hack that adds some weird subsection to a xorg.conf section
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| 16:07 | or some such
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| 16:07 | that should be a function
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| 16:07 | so it is added to the correct section
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| 16:08 | if a hack adds extra sections, it should come aftter assembleXorgConf
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| 16:09 | so it is appended
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| 16:10 | <warren> so what should we do for the two hacks we have now?
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| 16:10 | If we remove them from a function, then they happen before 00 setvars, which is non-obvious because they are number 70
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| 16:10 | Gadi_eeepc: perhaps 00 setvars should be a later number to allow over clearly earlier things.
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| 16:11 | <Gadi_eeepc> no theydont
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| 16:11 | they happen in order
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| 16:11 | <warren> oh
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| 16:11 | <Gadi_eeepc> the hack functions are all called in assembleXorgConf
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| 16:11 | <warren> crap, ok.
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| 16:11 | so simply remove from functions then?
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| 16:11 | <Gadi_eeepc> right
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| 16:12 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: XS05-intel-virtual is essentially a hack too
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| 16:13 | <warren> oh
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| 16:13 | hal-get-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer --key system.hardware.primary_video.vendor
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| 16:13 | this fails with a loud error message on fedora
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| 16:13 | <Gadi_eeepc> indeed
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| 16:13 | in fact, when we just set the var, we should not need to set CONFIGURE_X along with it
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| 16:14 | since that will be set by the hack
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| 16:14 | <warren> ok
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| 16:15 | <Gadi_eeepc> I will change ur hack
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| 16:15 | <warren> ok
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| 16:15 | Gadi_eeepc: move the numbers up too
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| 16:15 | all the variable setup stuff should be near the beginning of the numbers
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| 16:15 | <Gadi_eeepc> like where?
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| 16:16 | XS05?
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| 16:16 | XS20?
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| 16:17 | what dya like?
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| 16:17 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: I want the color blue.
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| 16:17 | <Gadi_eeepc> ?
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| 16:17 | hmm...
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| 16:17 | XS20 sounds nice
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| 16:17 | <warren> if it isn't blue I'm quitting.
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| 16:19 | Gadi_eeepc: that's a good question re: Device settings without a Driver
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| 16:20 | Gadi_eeepc: what is a noticible Device setting?
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| 16:20 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok, pushed changes
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| 16:21 | X_OPTION_01 = "\"NoAccel\" \"true""
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| 16:21 | then you can grep the client's log file for NoACcel
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| 16:22 | <warren> ah
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| 16:22 | Gadi_eeepc: you in any rush to tag? we have a TON of changes
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| 16:22 | Gadi_eeepc: gotta test this in many ways.
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| 16:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> Im never in a rush to tag
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| 16:23 | I am not in the same packaging boat as the rest of you
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| 16:23 | ;)
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| 16:23 | but, I agree about the testing
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| 16:35 | <johnny> x2go..
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| 16:35 | anybody been talking about this?
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| 16:35 | aha..
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| 16:35 | However x2go requires a running postgresql database on the server, does not support VNC/rdesktop proxying or shadow sessions, and some of the nice advanced features seem reserved to dedicated thin clients setups (like saving your session on a usb key
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| 16:36 | i wonder..
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| 16:53 | <stgraber> anyone planning on tagging both ltsp-trunk and ldm-trunk or are there more changes to come ?
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| 16:53 | <warren> stgraber: I'm having really weird trouble building ldm all of a sudden
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| 16:53 | <stgraber> (I plan to do some testing and tag either tonight or tomorrow)
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| 16:53 | warren: FTBFS ?
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| 16:53 | <warren> I don't know
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| 16:54 | my build tool fails with no error messages
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| 16:54 | <stgraber> hmm, weird
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| 16:54 | <warren> only on ldm
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| 16:57 | <stgraber> warren: "sh autogen.sh && ./configure && make" worked fine here
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| 16:59 | <warren> I figured it out. Ryan's changes actualy did interferew ith the patch.
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| 17:00 | <stgraber> warren: ah, your k12linux patch ?
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| 17:00 | <warren> yes
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| 17:00 | stgraber: do you need a tag soon? I think i'm just going to integrate my patch into ldm upstream with an IFDEF
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| 17:01 | I would finish that tonight
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| 17:02 | <stgraber> warren: I have no problem tagging tomorrow morning
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| 17:02 | <warren> I want to fully test ltsp-trunk now, I won thave access to this hardware from tomorrow for 2.5 weeks
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| 17:04 | <stgraber> warren: what hardware is that ? ppc ?
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| 17:04 | <warren> stgraber: yes
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| 17:04 | stgraber: extremely useless to fix it, but theoretically it will boot most ppc now.
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| 17:04 | boot until X screws up b
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| 17:05 | <stgraber> yeah, last I tried the only issue we had in Ubuntu was that we were relying on acpid which is really not a good idea for ppc as that doesn't exist :) then some apple hardware is fun to work with (especially old G3s)
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| 17:06 | the main issue is being to easily work on a ppc chroot when you don't have a ppc server
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| 17:06 | <warren> I tried to get qemu-ppc to work in chroot mode
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| 17:06 | it is too problematic
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| 17:07 | <EAG> is there some kind of bug related to ubuntu and the reading of lts.conf_
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| 17:07 | ?
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| 17:07 | <stgraber> EAG: not that I know of, what's the problem ?
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| 17:07 | <EAG> it doesnt read X_CONF properly
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| 17:08 | <stgraber> ah, that I didn't try :) what happens ?
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| 17:08 | <EAG> and it does not read lts.conf at all if I dont edit the file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 17:08 | <stgraber> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf works
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| 17:08 | <EAG> not for me for some reason
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> sometimes issues with the tftp server or dhcp configuration mess up downloading lts.conf from tftp
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| 17:09 | <EAG> I am not making this up :)
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| 17:09 | yep, I had some trouble with the dhcp before, I noticed...
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| 17:09 | but it should be corrected now
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> it derives it from the filename option
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| 17:11 | <EAG> stgraber: from Xorg.6.log: (EE) Unable to locate/open config file
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| 17:11 | thats whats happening and then it uses some default config
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| 17:12 | <stgraber> EAG: ok and where was it looking for the xorg.conf ?
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| 17:12 | <EAG> X_CONF = /etc/X11/xorg-ltsp2.conf
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| 17:12 | <warren> stgraber: working on ldm merging now, anything else you want in ldm before tagging?
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| 17:12 | stgraber: otherwise I will tag after I finish this
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| 17:13 | <EAG> vagrantc: I dont understand
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| 17:14 | <stgraber> warren: nope, I don't have anything to add to ldm
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| 17:14 | <vagrantc> EAG: you said it wasn't reading the value from lts.conf ...
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| 17:14 | or i misunderstood
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| 17:14 | <stgraber> EAG: so you have that file in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg-ltsp2.conf correct ?
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| 17:14 | <EAG> yes, but filename option?
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| 17:15 | stgraber: yes
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| 17:15 | all files are where they should be
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| 17:15 | <warren> stgraber: vagrantc: http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/ldm-rearrange-stuff.patch any objection to the first chunk being default in ldm? it only makes the existing time strings bold.
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| 17:15 | <stgraber> warren: do you happen to have screenshots before/after ?
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| 17:15 | <warren> stgraber: no
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| 17:16 | <vagrantc> EAG: in dhcpd.conf
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| 17:16 | EAG: sounds more like you don't actually have the file present in the chroot and/or NBD image
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| 17:16 | <stgraber> EAG: can you grab the parameters that were past to X ? you should have something like -config /etc...
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| 17:16 | <EAG> vagrantc: but it loads all other files?
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| 17:16 | maybe I am missing something here...
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| 17:17 | <warren> vagrantc: any opinion at all?
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| 17:17 | <EAG> stgraber: I dont understand
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| 17:17 | uh, I sound like a megahal hehe
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| 17:17 | nvm...
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| 17:18 | <warren> stgraber: also
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> EAG: i think i'm just confusing you here. stick with what stgraber is asking :)
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| 17:18 | i'm not able to fully pay attention and am likely missing things :)
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| 17:18 | <warren> - g_strdup_printf("<b>%s (%s) //</b>", get_sysname(), getenv("LDMINFO_IPADDR"));
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| 17:18 | + g_strdup_printf("<b>%s</b> (%s)", get_sysname(), getenv("LDMINFO_IPADDR"));
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| 17:18 | stgraber: make the hostname before the IP address bold
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| 17:18 | <EAG> vagrantc: ok :) thx for the help anyway :)
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| 17:18 | <warren> stgraber: I've been using it this way for months
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| 17:19 | stgraber: our usability people recommended these tiny tweaks
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| 17:19 | I'll make the bold changes since they are so minor.
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> warren: bold changes sound fine by me. i don't really have time to review the patch as a whole at the moment.
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| 17:20 | and quite probably, sufficient savvy either :)
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| 17:21 | <warren> vagrantc: the patch as a whole rearranges the layout to our designer's specifications, except it adds another picture to the bottom right.
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| 17:21 | ooh....
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| 17:22 | <stgraber> warren: ok, go ahead
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| 17:22 | <warren> http://wtogami.fedorapeople.org/archive/2008/k12linux-login-screen.png
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| 17:23 | We could put a disklessworkstations.com logo in the bottom right
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| 17:23 | maybe that's too much though
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| 17:24 | <stgraber> warren: ok, so in most case it'll just be <b>ltsp</b> (192.168.x.x)
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| 17:24 | <warren> I'll commit only the bold changes
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| 17:29 | stgraber: pushed the bold changes, please test and see how you feel, i'm doing the rest as an ifdef now.
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| 17:32 | <Ryan52> yikes.
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| 17:32 | <warren> Ryan52: yikes?
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| 17:32 | Ryan52: bad?
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| 17:33 | <Ryan52> comitting it all as ifdefs is gonna be messy.
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| 17:33 | <warren> Ryan52: yeah...
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| 17:33 | Ryan52: you have any better idea?
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| 17:34 | <Ryan52> no..
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| 17:36 | <warren> Ryan52: so I don't know how to hack up the auto* stuff to properly do a DEFINE at ./configure time, do you?
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| 17:36 | <Ryan52> CFLAGS=-DBLAH
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| 17:36 | where BLAH is the thing you're defining
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| 17:36 | <warren> ./configure --sponsorlayout
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| 17:37 | I could do it with a CFLAGS hack without modifying the auto* stuff
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| 17:37 | <Ryan52> you really can't live with changing CFLAGS?
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| 17:37 | oh, ya.
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| 17:37 | just have CFLAGS set when you call ./configure
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| 17:37 | <warren> -DBLAH 1?
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| 17:37 | or just -DBLAH is good enough?
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| 17:38 | <Ryan52> -DBLAH is good enough
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| 17:38 | if you're using "#ifdef BLAH"..
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| 17:38 | <warren> how do you define a string as a proprocess macro?
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| 17:39 | <Ryan52> hrm. what? :)
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| 17:39 | want me to just do it? :)
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| 17:44 | <warren> Ryan52: hmm, sure.
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| 17:44 | * warren trying to get security updates out... | |
| 17:47 | <Ryan52> ugh. don't you have a more recent version of the patch?
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| 17:48 | the one that you gave the URL to doesn't apply, and appears as old as my bzr branch...
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| 17:48 | <warren> Ryan52: the patch was working on the previous tag of ldm
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| 17:48 | I think
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| 17:48 | Ryan52: I rebased the patch last at 2.0.16
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| 17:48 | we patch with -fuzz 0
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| 17:48 | <Ryan52> oh.
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| 18:06 | * vagrantc is noticing xatomwait eating up a lot of CPU... | |
| 18:09 | <Ryan52> warren, ok, pushed
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| 18:09 | <warren> vagrantc: really?
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| 18:09 | vagrantc: strace?
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| 18:10 | <Ryan52> warren, use this: CFLAGS=-DK12LINUX ./configure
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> warren: it's hovering at around 12-30% CPU on my virtualbox system when it's idling ... i'm going to go check on real hardware
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| 18:20 | on a PII-350, it's only eating less than 1% CPU, so it must be something specific to virtualbox
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| 18:28 | * warren just realized he forgot to eat lunch today. | |
| 18:37 | <rjune_> LOL, warren, that's special
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| 18:37 | <warren> rjune_: dizzy
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| 18:37 | <rjune_> ditsy more like it
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| 18:38 | <warren> Ryan52: it works!
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| 18:45 | stgraber: OK, ltsp and ldm seems working for me, although I didn't test everythig
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| 18:45 | stgraber: I seriously need to drive home now and get food
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| 18:46 | stgraber: if you decide to tag tonight go ahead
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| 18:46 | I will test more at home.
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| 18:46 | bbl
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| 20:12 | <warren> Ryan52: I was wondering if anyone would notice removal of the //. I always thought it was stupid.
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| 20:13 | <Ryan52> there needs to be something between them..
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| 20:13 | if not it looks funny.
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| 20:13 | but ya, it looks funny with the // too.
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| 20:13 | <warren> perhaps everyone should use the new layout?
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| 20:13 | I mean, it was designed by actual designers.
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| 20:13 | * Ryan52 agrees | |
| 20:14 | <Ryan52> maybe we could switch it around so that the old layout is in an ifdef called UBUNTU :)
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| 20:17 | <warren> Ryan52: call it "legacy" =)
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| 20:17 | Ryan52: noticed the new upstream background image
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| 20:17 | the old one was huge and ugly
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| 20:17 | <Ryan52> ya.
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| 21:00 | * warren doing some minor changes to ltsp before tagging | |
| 21:00 | <warren> anybody else touching it tonight?
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| 21:25 | <nothingman> hi, all
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| 21:25 | having trouble
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| 21:25 | now that I have a chroot directory and (presumably) an image, my client's not getting a DHCP address even though my server shows DHCP offers in syslog
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| 21:26 | and (correspondingly) DHCPDISCOVERs with the client's MAC as well
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| 21:35 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: XS85-xserver-device-options
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| 21:35 | Gadi_eeepc: is it X_OPTION_01 or X_DEVICE_OPTION_01? Google finds some of the former, the script mentions both
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| 21:36 | <nothingman> I figure it's my dhcpd.conf, but it got an address before, and all I changed were the directory options
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| 21:36 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: it *used* to be _DEVICE_ but then at some point _DEVICE_ got dropped
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| 21:36 | if I hd _DEVICE_ in there, it was becausee it was stuck in my head
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| 21:37 | _DEVICE_ makes more sense to me
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| 21:37 | Im sure someone thought it was too long at some point
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| 21:37 | <Gadi_eeepc> of course, that would be beforre X_MONITOR_OPTION_XX ;)
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| 21:37 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: well your code says X_DEVICE_OPTION_01 now
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| 21:37 | <Gadi_eeepc> lemme see
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| 21:37 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: i'm trying to do the Device options without specifying a driver thig
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| 21:38 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 21:38 | so it dos
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| 21:38 | *does
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| 21:38 | except in the comment
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| 21:38 | ha!
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| 21:38 | * Gadi_eeepc is mental | |
| 21:39 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: so what is correct?
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| 21:39 | I don't mind long option names
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| 21:39 | it is CLEAR where exactly these options go
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| 21:39 | <Gadi_eeepc> yeah
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| 21:39 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: I used NoAccel and it seemed to autodetect everything else just fine
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| 21:40 | <Gadi_eeepc> but we should have compatibility for the other way
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| 21:40 | because I *know* LTSP shipped with both
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| 21:40 | <warren> when?
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| 21:40 | I have never used any X* option until today
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| 21:40 | <Gadi_eeepc> hehe
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| 21:40 | * Gadi_eeepc has | |
| 21:40 | <Gadi_eeepc> lemme see
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| 21:41 | hmm
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| 21:41 | ok
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| 21:41 | I think _DEVICE_ was in LTSP4
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| 21:41 | and without was done in LTSP5
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| 21:42 | so, I should change baack
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| 21:42 | <warren> I think I prefer DEVICE
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| 21:42 | <Gadi_eeepc> *back
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| 21:42 | <warren> but blah, whatever.
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| 21:42 | <Gadi_eeepc> me, too - but we have a history
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| 21:42 | :)
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| 21:42 | I didnt get the memo when they changed params from the LTSP4 names
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| 21:42 | <warren> a google hit said X_OPTION_01 failed for someone on ubuntu
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| 21:43 | <Gadi_eeepc> well, you have to be careful with it
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| 21:43 | because it needs the \"
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| 21:43 | otherwise you don't get quotes in your xorg.conf
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| 21:43 | and xorg gets angry
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| 21:43 | <warren> the example on that google hit showed \""NoAccel"\"
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| 21:43 | <Gadi_eeepc> right
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| 21:44 | the backslashes are wrong
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| 21:44 | it should be: "\"NoAccel\""
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| 21:44 | <Gadi_eeepc> tricky, no?
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| 21:44 | :)
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| 21:44 | <warren> I just misremembered
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| 21:45 | * Gadi_eeepc will revert to X_OPTION | |
| 21:45 | <Gadi_eeepc> and continue to have what to grumble about
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| 21:45 | :)
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| 21:45 | <johnny> hmm.. suprised you don't just quote it later..
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| 21:45 | like before assembling
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| 21:45 | <warren> yeah, that's rather user unfriendly
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| 21:45 | <Gadi_eeepc> its hard to always know what gets quoted
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| 21:46 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: both will be supported though?
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| 21:46 | * Gadi_eeepc is not sure all terms get quoted | |
| 21:46 | <Gadi_eeepc> and what about multi-word terms?
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| 21:46 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: well, I think it safe to just support X_OPTION
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| 21:46 | <johnny> perhaps ditching lts.conf would be an option in the future :)
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| 21:46 | <Gadi_eeepc> in LTSP5
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| 21:46 | <johnny> using a sqlite db
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| 21:46 | instead..
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| 21:46 | <warren> uh...
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| 21:47 | Gadi_eeepc: you mean drop old names entirely
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| 21:47 | <Gadi_eeepc> eh, what the hell
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| 21:47 | Ill support both
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| 21:47 | <johnny> as long as all the compat stuff stays in one place
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| 21:47 | i'm ok with that
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| 21:47 | <Gadi_eeepc> its just ten lines of stupid code
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| 21:47 | <johnny> should have an ltsp_compat
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| 21:47 | file
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| 21:48 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: just go ahead
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| 21:51 | Anyone doing more changes on ldm?
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| 21:51 | while I wait for Gadi_eeepc I'll tag ldm
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| 21:52 | <pr0cess0r> hi all!
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| 21:52 | i finaly have a working server
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| 21:53 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: pushed
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| 21:53 | <pr0cess0r> now i need to fix the screen resolution for the login screen
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| 21:53 | and the account i made
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| 21:53 | my lcd screen say its out of range 720x400
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| 21:54 | <Gadi_eeepc> 720x400? is that what you want?
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| 21:55 | <pr0cess0r> yes
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| 21:55 | my screen say this
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| 21:55 | its wierd
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| 21:55 | <Gadi_eeepc> what resolution do you *want*?
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| 21:55 | how big of a screen is it?
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| 21:55 | <pr0cess0r> 17
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| 21:56 | <Gadi_eeepc> widdescreen?
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| 21:56 | <pr0cess0r> 1024*768
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| 21:56 | no
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| 21:56 | i need to edit ltsp.conf?
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| 21:56 | <Gadi_eeepc> did you add anything to lts.conf?
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| 21:57 | <pr0cess0r> no
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| 21:57 | <warren> whoa. my brain melted trying to review this code.
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| 21:57 | <Gadi_eeepc> sounds like the monitor does not do ddc correctly, and your driver doesnt know what to do
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| 21:57 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: I got dizzy at 7:30pm and realized I forgot to eat lunch
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| 21:57 | what driver is that?
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| 21:58 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: you need to eat your wheaties
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| 21:58 | <pr0cess0r> ddc
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| 21:58 | ?
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| 21:58 | <Gadi_eeepc> ddc is when the video driveer asks the monitor for its operating frequencies
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| 21:58 | <pr0cess0r> can i try to add [default] X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 to lts.cong?
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| 21:58 | ok
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| 21:58 | <Gadi_eeepc> yes
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| 21:58 | thats a start
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| 21:59 | you may also need to modify X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
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| 21:59 | <pr0cess0r> is it one line ou 2 line ?
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| 21:59 | <Gadi_eeepc> multiple lines
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| 21:59 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: My religion forbids eating General Mills cereals. I eat only Kellogg's.
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| 21:59 | <pr0cess0r> ok
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| 21:59 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: hehe - so ur not a Milletarian?
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| 22:00 | <Gadi_eeepc> and I thought you 'K' guys were a cult - not a religion
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| 22:00 | ;)
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| 22:00 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: and everything must be blue.
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| 22:01 | <pr0cess0r> what is the syntax for the refresh rate
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| 22:01 | <Gadi_eeepc> X_VERTREFRESH = 60-85
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| 22:02 | <Gadi_eeepc> X_HORZSYNC = 30-100
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| 22:02 | and you may need: CONFIGURE_X = True
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| 22:02 | (because some people think Xorg just magically takes care of things)
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| 22:02 | ;)
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| 22:03 | <pr0cess0r> do i need to do anything afther those changes ?
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| 22:03 | <Gadi_eeepc> pr0cess0r: are you on ubuntu?
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| 22:03 | <pr0cess0r> yes
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| 22:03 | <Gadi_eeepc> put lts.conf in: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 22:03 | and just reboot the thin client
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| 22:04 | <pr0cess0r> ok
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| 22:05 | ok thx
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| 22:07 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: ur friends with the gnome guys, right?
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| 22:07 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: that would be an exaggeration
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| 22:07 | Gadi_eeepc: let's just say we tolerate each other on a regular basis.
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| 22:07 | * Gadi_eeepc needs them prodded to fix a silly bug | |
| 22:08 | <try2free> anyone knows what port number i must open for ltsp?
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| 22:08 | <Gadi_eeepc> try2free: 67, 69, 2000 (on ubuntu)
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| 22:08 | <pr0cess0r> now the monitor accept the resolution but not the mhz
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| 22:08 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: they don't seem to respond to prodding
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| 22:08 | <Gadi_eeepc> oh, and 22
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| 22:08 | <warren> Gadi_eeepc: is it filed at upstream bugzilla?
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| 22:08 | <pr0cess0r> do i need to put the exect resolution of the screen ?
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| 22:08 | <try2free> Gadi_eeepc: thanks
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| 22:09 | <Gadi_eeepc> warren: I tried searching their bugizilla, but its a pain and slow
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| 22:09 | and crashes
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| 22:09 | <warren> well, that's the only way you'll get them to work on something
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| 22:09 | <Gadi_eeepc> pr0cess0r: for X_MODE_0 you put 1024x768
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| 22:10 | well, I think stgraber filed it already
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| 22:10 | but I cannot find it
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| 22:10 | <pr0cess0r> X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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| 22:10 | X_VERTREFRESH = 60-85
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| 22:10 | X_HORZSYNC = 30-100
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| 22:10 | <Gadi_eeepc> because bugzilla crashes on me
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| 22:10 | pr0cess0r: looks good - add: CONFIGURE_X = True
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| 22:10 | for good measure
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| 22:10 | and put all that under:
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| 22:10 | [default]
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| 22:11 | <pr0cess0r> do i need the cong file at the 2 locations ?
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| 22:11 | conf*
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| 22:11 | <Gadi_eeepc> nope
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| 22:11 | just the tftpdir
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| 22:11 | <pr0cess0r> ok
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| 22:11 | i try it now
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| 22:12 | <Gadi_eeepc> otherwise you would have to reroll the image for every change
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| 22:12 | and thats no fun
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| 22:12 | <pr0cess0r> no
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| 22:12 | afther this i need to add network drivers for my 2 laptops to allow them to boot more fun!!
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| 22:13 | <Gadi_eeepc> what drivers?
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| 22:13 | <pr0cess0r> realtek 3189
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| 22:13 | <Gadi_eeepc> dont you mean 8139?
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| 22:13 | <pr0cess0r> yes sorry
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| 22:13 | <Gadi_eeepc> intrepid should have drivers for that
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| 22:13 | <pr0cess0r> intrepid ?
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| 22:14 | <Gadi_eeepc> ubuntu 8.10
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| 22:14 | <pr0cess0r> its what i run
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| 22:14 | i think
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| 22:15 | <pr0cess0r> when i pxe boot with this computer it hang at ubuntu loading
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| 22:19 | <pr0cess0r> the refresh rates are in hz or khz
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| 22:19 | <Gadi_eeepc> vertical = hz, horiz = khz
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| 22:19 | :)
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| 22:20 | <pr0cess0r> from my monitor spec
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| 22:20 | Horizontal Frequency 29 kHz to 81 kHz Vertical Frequency 56 kHz to 79kHz
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| 22:21 | <Gadi_eeepc> ah
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| 22:21 | so youcan use those
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| 22:21 | mo better
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| 22:26 | <pr0cess0r> its not working
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| 22:26 | i donr understand
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| 22:27 | <Gadi_eeepc> is there any change at all?
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| 22:27 | <pr0cess0r> yes back to 720x400
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| 22:27 | <Gadi_eeepc> that would be a "no"
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| 22:27 | <pr0cess0r> the monitor tell me this
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| 22:28 | <Gadi_eeepc> and you are on ubuntu LTSP5, right?
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| 22:28 | <pr0cess0r> normal ubuntu and i installed ltsp
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| 22:28 | <Gadi_eeepc> how did you install ltsp?
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| 22:29 | ltsp-server-standalone?
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| 22:29 | <pr0cess0r> yes
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| 22:29 | <Gadi_eeepc> ok
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| 22:29 | can you paste lts.conf to:
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| 22:29 | !pastebot
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| 22:29 | <ltspbot`> Gadi_eeepc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 22:30 | <ltsppbot> "pr0cess0r" pasted "GNU nano 2.0.7 Fichier : lts." (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/149
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| 22:31 | <pr0cess0r> here is the monitor
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| 22:31 | http://www.sungroupmonitor.com/lcd_SUN-PV1710.htm
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| 22:32 | <Gadi_eeepc> try setting: XSERVER=vesa
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| 22:32 | in lts.conf
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| 22:33 | <pr0cess0r> under default?
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| 22:33 | <Gadi_eeepc> yess
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| 22:33 | <pr0cess0r> and i comment all other options?
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| 22:34 | <Gadi_eeepc> no
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| 22:34 | keep those
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| 22:34 | <pr0cess0r> ok
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| 22:34 | testing
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| 22:34 | !
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| 22:41 | <warren> Where is brctl located on Debian/Ubunt?
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| 22:42 | <johnny> /usr/sbin
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| 22:44 | <warren> johnny: do you know a list of standard system commands that are located in different places between Debian and Fedora?
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| 22:45 | johnny: or are missing on one side or the other
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| 22:45 | * vagrantc wonders how to define standard | |
| 22:46 | <johnny> well.. coreutils and util-linux
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| 22:46 | <vagrantc> bridge-utils (which contains /usr/sbin/brctl) is considered an optional package ....
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| 22:46 | <warren> ignore brctl
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| 22:46 | I want to know differences in locations of more regular commands
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| 22:46 | <johnny> don't know of much
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| 22:46 | i'm still new to fedora
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| 22:47 | warren, seriously.. last time i used an rpm based distro was redhat6
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| 22:47 | <pr0cess0r> Gadi_eeepc: thx its working
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| 22:48 | <vagrantc> warren: well, http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages will allow you to search for the file contents of packages ... under the "Search the contents of packages" section ... if you have a list in mind.
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| 22:49 | <Gadi_eeepc> pr0cess0r: if that worked, it means the video driver in that client (the proper one) has problems
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> warren: or better yet, http://packages.debian.org/file:FOO
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| 22:49 | <Gadi_eeepc> pr0cess0r: vesa will work fine, but be slower than the appropriate driver
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| 22:50 | <pr0cess0r> ok
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| 22:50 | <Gadi_eeepc> pr0cess0r: to better debug, set SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf and then ctl-alt-f2 to get a shell on the client and looks t the log files
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| 22:50 | (when you use the right -bt broken- driver
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| 22:50 | <warren> vagrantc: ok, cool
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| 22:50 | <Gadi_eeepc> *but
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| 22:50 | <pr0cess0r> ok
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| 22:50 | i take note i will tet it tomorow
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| 22:50 | <Gadi_eeepc> good luck
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| 22:51 | <pr0cess0r> thx
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| 22:51 | <Gadi_eeepc> g'nighht, all
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| 22:54 | <warren> Fedora Debian
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| 22:54 | /sbin/lspci /usr/bin/lspci
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| 22:54 | /sbin/lsmod /bin/lsmod
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| 22:54 | I know we have more than this...
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| 22:55 | vagrantc: hmmm, /bin/arch is in Debian's util-linux package, and I see it on this debina system that I'm logged into
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| 22:56 | vagrantc: wow, you folks aren't using util-linux-ng yet?
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| 22:58 | <vagrantc> warren: don't see any signs of util-linux-ng
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| 22:59 | <warren> http://userweb.kernel.org/~kzak/util-linux-ng/
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| 22:59 | util-linux development died several years ago
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| 23:00 | <vagrantc> let the zombies rise!
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| 23:02 | * vagrantc hopes to be able to upload to something other than experimental by the time ltsp 5.2 comes around | |
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| 23:08 | <Ryan52> warren, /bin/arch isn't in Debian anymore, tho.
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| 23:10 | <warren> why?
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| 23:11 | <Ryan52> because http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=%2Fbin%2Farch&mode=path&suite=testing&arch=any says so :)
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| 23:12 | vagrantc, pfft. ya, right. :)
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| 23:13 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: it's not impossible. it's just unlikely :)
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| 23:13 | Ryan52: etch actually released pretty timely, and had larger obstacles to overcome...
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| 23:16 | <Ryan52> what were the obstacles?
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| 23:18 | <vagrantc> firmware :)
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| 23:18 | <johnny> hmm.. now what about that linux plumbers conference..
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| 23:19 | * Ryan52 is confused | |
| 23:19 | <Ryan52> vagrantc, what's the difference?
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| 23:19 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: i don't know... it just overall looks better than before ... of course, i languished through the sarge release cycle
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| 23:20 | <Ryan52> oh.
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| 23:20 | <vagrantc> so anything looks better than that
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| 23:20 | <warren> vagrantc: the ballot questions this time look like a complete disaster
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| 23:20 | <vagrantc> warren: yes, that stuff is getting really ugly ...
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| 23:20 | <warren> vagrantc: the titles of ballot questions look like intentional attempts to mislead
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| 23:20 | <johnny> what are you talking about?
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| 23:20 | <vagrantc> johnny: debian politics
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| 23:21 | debian's experiencing some growing pains right now
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| 23:22 | * Ryan52 is scared of debian politics | |
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| 23:23 | <warren> Ryan52: Fedora welcomes talented developers who are interested in rapid progress! =)
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| 23:23 | <Ryan52> hehe
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| 23:23 | <warren> Ryan52: With your skills you could easily get on the engineering steering committee in less than a year. I'm not kidding.
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| 23:25 | * johnny isn't as cool i guess | |
| 23:25 | <johnny> the part of fedora i'd like to participate in.. are cross distro relations
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| 23:25 | so as to get things adopted more quickly.. without all the issues that were seen ala policykit and hal
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| 23:25 | <warren> johnny: Fedora doesn't really do that. Fedora just works upstream.
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| 23:25 | <johnny> and now devicekit
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| 23:26 | <warren> yeah, those are disasters...
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| 23:26 | <johnny> fedora does not "just work upstream"
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| 23:26 | they create the upstream
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| 23:26 | without feedback
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| 23:26 | * Ryan52 is happy in his Debian world...as long as I never become project secretary or post stupid offending jokes to announcement lists I'm safe, I think ;) | |
| 23:26 | <warren> johnny: dude, you are talking about a tiny % of what we do
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| 23:27 | <johnny> that's the most important part of fedora to me tho.. the early integration of very very very very very very very important technologies
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| 23:27 | it's the reason i decided to give it a shot
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| 23:27 | and you of course :)
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| 23:28 | otherwise i could be using any other distro :)
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| 23:29 | <Ryan52> johnny, how many distros do you use? :)
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| 23:29 | <johnny> 3?
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| 23:29 | well.. i don't really use ubuntu for personal use
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| 23:29 | but i maintain various ubuntu machines
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| 23:29 | <Ryan52> oh, ok.
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| 23:29 | <johnny> i did use ubuntu on my last laptop for 6 months or so
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| 23:30 | so.. i did use it for personal use.. just not at the moment
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| 23:30 | my friend bugs me to check out arch
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| 23:30 | i have yet to see the benefits tho
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| 23:31 | warren, so do you understand my point now?
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| 23:31 | the rest.. i can get the benefits via any other distro.. as they of course.. will steal all the useful patches :)
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| 23:32 | <Ryan52> hehe
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| 23:32 | <johnny> Ryan52, .. i chose fedora.. because people like richard hughes are really working hard on the integration front
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| 23:32 | he's one of the major dudes around gnome-power-manager
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| 23:33 | <Ryan52> gentoo is hard to steal patches from. I ended up having to ask in #gentoo :p
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| 23:33 | <johnny> huh? hard to steal patches from?
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| 23:33 | they are all listed right there in the ebuild..
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| 23:33 | you don't even have to unpack them
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| 23:34 | <Ryan52> ya, that was my problem...I just didn't know where to look :p
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| 23:34 | <johnny> they are just text file
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| 23:34 | text files
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| 23:34 | Ryan52, oh.. lest i forget.. he is also major into PackageKit
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| 23:34 | which i was going to mention next
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| 23:41 | oops.. brb
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| 23:41 | <warren> vagrantc: http://packages.debian.org/etch/unalz hmm, this is NOT Free or Open Source Software
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| 23:42 | vagrantc: the source itself is ambiguous because it contains a zlib license from zlib code that it rightfully copied, but its Korean language homepage clearly states that it is freeware, commercial distribution prohibited, and no modifications are allowed to be distributed unless you provide them in patch form.
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| 23:48 | <johnny> warren, altho you guys do need to get your act together in regards to yum..
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| 23:49 | logged out and back in.. still rpmdb says thread died in berk db
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| 23:49 | can't even ctrl+c it
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| 23:49 | <warren> johnny: what exactly were you doing? I occasionally hear about people locking up their rpmdb but it has NEVER happened to me since RH8
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| 23:49 | NEVER
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| 23:49 | <johnny> searching..
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| 23:50 | nothing special
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| 23:50 | <warren> are you using ext4 by chance?
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| 23:50 | <johnny> no
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| 23:50 | <warren> hm
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| 23:50 | <johnny> i was tryin to get a list of the packagekit plugins to show ryan52
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| 23:50 | and bam.. rpmdb locked
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| 23:50 | <warren> I don't know
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| 23:51 | <warren> Ryan52: hmmm, where does someone report a license problem in Debian?
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| 23:51 | Ryan52: that package above should be moved to non-free
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| 23:51 | <Ryan52> are you sure of it?
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| 23:51 | <warren> Ryan52: yes
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| 23:51 | Ryan52: Fedora just rejected it as non-commercial and no modifications allowed
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| 23:54 | <Ryan52> email submit@bugs.debian.org
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| 23:54 | <warren> Ryan52: the trouble is, the source is misleading and ambiguous, while the website is very clear.
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| 23:54 | Ryan52: only you have to read Korean to read the website.
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| 23:55 | <Ryan52> in the first part of the body of the email, put "Package: ftp.debian.org", then a line break. in the subject put "RM: packagename -- license problems"
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| 23:55 | then explains yourself :)
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| 23:56 | * Ryan52 wonders how a package that has a license in korean can pass through NEW... | |
| 23:57 | <warren> Ryan52: what do I put in Subject?
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| 23:57 | <Ryan52> in the subject put "RM: packagename -- license problems"
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| 23:57 | <warren> oops
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| 23:58 | Package: ftp.debian.org
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| 23:58 | huh?
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| 23:58 | is that correct?
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| 23:59 | <Ryan52> ya, if you put it in the right place
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