IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 13 November 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:03 | * Ryan52 marks pages of these stupid dfsg debian threads as read and sighs a sigh of relief | |
| 00:07 | * vagrantc pushes ltsp-trunk and ldm-trunk | |
| 00:10 | <vagrantc> xinitrc.d that's backwards compatible, and about 1/5th the code.
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| 00:11 | well, the xinitrc.d isn't backwards compatible, but it doesn't break if it's missing
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| 00:11 | <johnny> lol..
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| 00:12 | Ryan52, what was that like?
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| 00:17 | <sbalneav> Ryan52: OK, gimme a couple of seconds to pull/merge/push
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| 00:18 | it detects the ssh going away now due to bad password.
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| 00:20 | * johnny attacks sbalneav | |
| 00:20 | <johnny> good going gent
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| 00:20 | dberkholz, btw.. genkernel is going to have funionfs-fuse
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| 00:20 | now i just need to get that silly boy to include a network module config for us
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| 00:20 | then we might be able to actually make a release!
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| 00:22 | <sbalneav> johnny: Why attack me?
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| 00:22 | Ryan52: pushed.
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| 00:22 | <vagrantc> what was the change in ltsp that required a new ldm ?
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| 00:22 | <johnny> sbalneav, you rock.. :)
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| 00:23 | <vagrantc> tried old ldm with newish ltsp, and no screen came up
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| 00:24 | ah yes, the DISP -> DISP
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| 00:24 | ah yes, the DISP -> DISPLAY change
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| 00:25 | <dberkholz> johnny: good deal.
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| 00:25 | <sbalneav> Well, I'm fairly happy with this.
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| 00:25 | <dberkholz> johnny: gotta find somewhere to put ISOs too. i could probably just get 'em on the gentoo bittorrent tracker, but it would be nice to have something http/ftp
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| 00:25 | <johnny> isos ?
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| 00:29 | <sbalneav> OK
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| 00:29 | <johnny> gentoo needs a new release with the new portage stable..
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| 00:29 | that'll solve most of the problems
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| 00:29 | <sbalneav> That's enough coding out of me tonight.
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| 00:29 | I'm off to bed. Night all.
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| 00:29 | <johnny> yeah.. that's enough lacck of sleep for me too
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| 00:29 | dberkholz, it's 1:38.. i gotta hit the sack
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| 00:30 | <Ryan52> sbalneav, thanks for fixing that!
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| 00:31 | <vagrantc> would folks object if i added a DISP="$DISPLAY" to screen-x-common upstream, or should i just patch debian packages only?
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| 00:32 | * Ryan52 wonders why anybody would care | |
| 00:33 | <vagrantc> well, they cared enough to change it at all, and there seems to be a backlash against backwards compatibility.
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| 00:33 | sbalneav: you're burning it up with ldm!
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| 01:04 | anyone know about ltsp-trunk/localapps/iptables.sh ?
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| 01:04 | what's it doing there?
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| 01:09 | <Ryan52> if I were guessing, I would say that the thin clients need to access the internet if you run firefox as a localapp
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| 01:09 | and this is intended for people who have 2 interfaces on their ltsp server: internet and local network.
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| 01:09 | makes sense to me.
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| 01:11 | <vagrantc> ah, sure.
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| 01:19 | night all
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| 04:41 | <ogra> http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/11/arm-and-ubuntu-to-join-forces-in-the-netbook-world
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| 04:42 | * ogra dances :) | |
| 04:42 | <ogra> arm thinclients, here we come !
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| 05:18 | <cliebow> cool1
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| 07:25 | <stgraber> Any problem with me tagging a new ldm and ltsp ?
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| 07:29 | <stgraber> done
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| 08:34 | chrisinajar|work is now known as chrisinajar | |
| 08:34 | <chrisinajar> good morning
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| 08:35 | <Q-FUNK> 'evening
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| 08:35 | <pscheie> morning chrisinajar
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| 08:39 | <cliebow_> woooo!
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| 08:49 | <Q-FUNK> sandwich ingredient spotted.
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| 08:52 | <stgraber> moin
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:58 | * ogra waves poking around with arm ... | |
| 08:58 | <ogra> http://www.arm.com/news/23761.html
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| 08:59 | yay for beagleboard thin clients :)
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| 08:59 | * sbalneav punches ogra's arm | |
| 08:59 | <sbalneav> PunchBuggy Blue!
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| 08:59 | <ogra> ouch :)
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> No Returns
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| 08:59 | Do they play punchbuggy in Germany?
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| 08:59 | Probably not, I'd expect/
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| 09:00 | <ogra> very likely called differently :)
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> Know what it is?
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| 09:00 | <ogra> nope
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> Every time you see a Volkswagon Beetle, you scream "PunchBuggy <colour of the VW you see>" and punch the other persons arm.
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| 09:01 | Stupid game kids play.
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| 09:02 | * sbalneav wonders how you'd translate "punchbuggy" in German. | |
| 09:02 | <ogra> we dont, but we have that game, yes :)
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| 09:03 | we just say "<color> beetle !" *punch*
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| 09:03 | well, we dont say beetle here, but thats literally ho it translates :)
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> What do you say? Just "Volkswagen"? Gimme the actual German word! Enquiring minds want to know.
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| 09:08 | <ogra> Käfer
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| 09:08 | <ogra> thats beetle in german
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| 09:09 | <Guevara> hi, everybody
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| 09:10 | someone has enabled wearable in ltsp?
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| 09:10 | <warren> I have a LTSP sweatshirt
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| 09:10 | <Guevara> I want to enable the usb thinclients
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| 09:10 | * ogra has several | |
| 09:10 | <Guevara> I installed a PCI card in thinclient
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| 09:11 | <ogra> you wuld have to be careful to not stumble over the ethernet cable all the time
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| 09:11 | <warren> my internet is delivered through a lead tube
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| 09:11 | <ogra> geez, that limits your radius a lot with wearble clients :P
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| 09:12 | <ogra> like ... lying on the back on the floor next to the outlet :)
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| 09:12 | but might be healthy for your back though
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| 09:12 | <warren> until I get lead poisoning
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> Huh, he left
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| 09:12 | <Q-FUNK> I want to enable hotpluggable estonian chick devices.
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| 09:13 | <warren> ...?
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> I hear the Internet isn't a dumptruck, but rather, a series of tubes.
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| 09:13 | Warren's method of getting the internet confirms this.
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| 09:13 | <warren> sbalneav: do you have foreign policy experience dealing with Alaska?
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| 09:14 | <johnny> he can see alaska from his house
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| 09:14 | <ogra> john mccain has :) ask him
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> Well, I can't see it from my doorstep, :)
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| 09:14 | But, I *HAVE* actually been there!
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| 09:14 | <ogra> though i heard the export he go was buggy
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> ogra: so, last night, not only did we get all of Warren's and Vagrant's bugs hammered out, but also a crasher bug, AND, we made timeouts for failed passwords much smaller.
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| 09:18 | so yay for us.
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| 09:18 | <warren> building now
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| 09:19 | <ogra> cool
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| 09:19 | !
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| 09:19 | <stgraber> warren: using the one I tagged this morning ?
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| 09:21 | <warren> yes
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| 09:22 | * ogra twiddles thumbs waiting for gt clone to finish | |
| 09:23 | <ogra> *git even
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| 09:24 | tsk, and people complain that bzr is slow
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| 09:24 | * ogra shakes head | |
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| 09:26 | <warren> what are you gitting?
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| 09:27 | <ogra> linux
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| 09:27 | since 3h
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| 09:27 | <warren> You just don't git it.
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| 09:27 | <ogra> well, linux-omap
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| 09:27 | thats a lot smaller
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| 09:27 | there is no tgz of it :P
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| 09:27 | <warren> There is no seed to download?
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| 09:27 | Well, git with it!
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| 09:27 | <ogra> yeah, seems i have to
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| 09:27 | <johnny> warren!
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| 09:28 | <ogra> geez, its done !
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| 09:28 | <johnny> my fedora10 setup is going well..
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| 09:28 | * ogra didnt expect that anymore | |
| 09:28 | <warren> johnny: 32 or 64bit?
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| 09:28 | <johnny> 32
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| 09:29 | <johnny> my 64bit is gentoo
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> cat /proc/mounts | awk '$3 == "fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon" { print $2 }' | xargs -L 1 umount
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| 09:36 | If you want a nice little one liner that umounts gvfs mounts before you do a backup. :)
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| 09:37 | Hmmm, could be made shorter....
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| 09:39 | awk '$3 ~ /gvfs/ { print $2 }' /proc/mounts | xargs -L 1 umount
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| 09:39 | I love the xargs command.
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| 09:40 | Over the years, I've gotten more useful work done with a combo of awk and xargs than I have with just about any other tools.
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| 09:41 | <johnny> i like find..
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| 09:41 | <Q-FUNK> gawk
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| 09:42 | <jammcq> good morning #ltsp
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| 09:42 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 09:43 | <Q-FUNK> goooooooooooooooooooood 'evening LDM!
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| 09:44 | <Q-FUNK> elvis graton on the deck?
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| 09:47 | <johnny> warren, looks like i finally broke it :)
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| 09:47 | <johnny> rpmdb: Thread/process 30604/3086366400 failed: Thread died in Berkeley DB library
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| 09:47 | <warren> johnny: you are special.
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| 09:48 | johnny: what were you doing when it exploded?
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| 09:48 | <johnny> yum update?
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| 09:48 | oh.. i killed packagekit .. when it was hanging
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| 09:48 | <warren> try rebooting and see if it happens again
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| 09:50 | <vagrantc> stgraber: you seem to have an off by one error with your commit message version and the actual version you've committed more than once now :)
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| 09:54 | * vagrantc notes the commit logs for ltsp-5.1.28 and ldm-2.0.18 look funny | |
| 09:56 | * vagrantc goes tarball hunting | |
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| 09:58 | <stgraber> vagrantc: oh ? I just bzr pulled, updated the release.conf, commited, tagged and pushed. What's wrong ?
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| 09:58 | <vagrantc> stgraber: your commit message :)
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| 10:03 | <stgraber> vagrantc: argh, I hate copy/paste :)
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| 10:03 | <stgraber> want me to fix it ? (I can uncommit, re-commit and push+overwrite to change it)
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| 10:04 | <rjune> chrisinajar: ping
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| 10:04 | <vagrantc> stgraber: that'd be even more evil :)
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| 10:05 | <stgraber> vagrantc: hmm, yeah, I'm not sure what'd do bzr if it sees I change a commit message and you try to push a new revision :)
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| 10:07 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 10:08 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:10 | <vagrantc> i just realised that the tab fixes for ldm actually broke a behavior i was used to- tabbing over to "Login as Guest"
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| 10:13 | <rjune> http://graphjam.com/2008/11/12/song-chart-memes-us-political-belief/
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| 10:14 | <warren> drill baby drill?
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| 10:14 | <chrisinajar> rjune: oh hey :)
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| 10:15 | <rjune> chrisinajar: pass a message to warran for me?\
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| 10:16 | <chrisinajar> rjune sure, they're in indiana right now in fact :)
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| 10:16 | <rjune> yeah, but they're way south of me
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| 10:16 | I'm almost to the MI border
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| 10:16 | <chrisinajar> awe, that's too bad
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| 10:17 | well you should go visit them :-P
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| 10:17 | anyway, what was the message for relaying?
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| 10:18 | <rjune> I don't have anything more concrete then that
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| 10:24 | <pscheie> What exactly would break if one were to copy /opt/ltsp/i386 from an ltsp 5 installation to a 4.2 installation?
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| 10:27 | <johnny> it wouldn't work unless you had the supporting packages on teh server side
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| 10:27 | ldminfo and friends
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| 10:28 | <pscheie> oh, right, I forgot all about ldm; duh
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| 10:29 | <johnny> and the ltsp-server package
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| 10:30 | that'll fix it up
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| 10:30 | then it wouldn't be 4.2 anymore..
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| 10:30 | but at that point.. you should really just build your chroot
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| 10:31 | <pscheie> right, getting the 4.2 to a point where it would support the 5 chroot is probably more work than just starting over with 5
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| 10:55 | * warren did builds... testing | |
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| 10:57 | <nubae> johnny: I uploaded a new fatclient script with fixes... if u had a moment, would u mind testing?
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| 10:59 | <johnny> if i go down to the store, i will
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| 10:59 | think you can move the installted packages into a set of variables at the top?
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| 11:00 | would make it easier to customize
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| 11:00 | <vagrantc> warren: you'll need to add ltsp-trunk/ltsp-common-functions to your ltsp-server package
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| 11:01 | i made that change last night to strip the debian-isms out of gadi's xinitrc.d stuff
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| 11:01 | we already had a function in the server/plugins
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| 11:01 | <ogra> gadi does debianisms ?
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| 11:01 | <ogra> he should rather do ubuntuisms :P
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| 11:02 | <vagrantc> well, the issue is inherrited from debian :)
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| 11:02 | <ogra> :)
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| 11:03 | <warren> vagrantc: damn
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| 11:03 | <dberkholz> johnny: there will be a 2.1.6 with EAPI=2 shortly, if that's what you're looking for
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| 11:07 | <johnny> no.. the automatic blocker resolution
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| 11:07 | <johnny> afaik that wasn't part of EAPI 2
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| 11:08 | <warren> vagrantc: thanks for the warning
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| 11:08 | <johnny> could be wrong ..
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| 11:08 | <warren> vagrantc: perhaps we should institute a rule of a standard string to put into commit comments to alert packagers
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| 11:08 | <johnny> e2fs stuff is screwed out of stage3
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| 11:08 | <vagrantc> warren: sounds like a good idea.
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| 11:08 | warren: the DIST: stuff has gone fairly well
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| 11:08 | <johnny> so.. atm.. i'm keywording 2.2
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| 11:08 | <warren> what DIST: stuff?
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc> warren: Debian: blah blah, Fedora: blah blah
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| 11:09 | <warren> except when people don't follow it
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| 11:09 | <vagrantc> it's followed more often than not
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| 11:09 | <ogra> do we have that often ?
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| 11:09 | <warren> what often?
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| 11:09 | <ogra> right, i would think the same
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| 11:09 | <warren> how about:
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| 11:10 | PACKAGER: New common script foo/bar/something-common should be installed in /usr/share/ltsp/something-common in the server package.
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| 11:10 | PACKAGER tags should effect more than one distro, so you can begin the line with it?
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| 11:10 | <ogra> PACKAGER wont tell you easily what distro its for
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| 11:10 | <warren> that's OK
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| 11:11 | <ogra> not for non ltsp folks looking at it
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| 11:11 | <warren> Most PACKAGER entries effect everyone. a few don't, and I'll just ignore.
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| 11:11 | * ogra really likes the distro prefix | |
| 11:11 | <warren> ogra: distro prefix comes when you do your own distro-specific changes
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| 11:11 | PACKAGER usually effects everyone
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| 11:11 | but doesn't need to
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> hmm...
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| 11:12 | <warren> i'm fine reading a few that don't effect me
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| 11:12 | <ogra> oh, you mean as addition
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| 11:12 | <warren> yes
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> what about "Packaging: " ?
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| 11:12 | <ogra> ah
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| 11:12 | * ogra thought replacement | |
| 11:12 | <vagrantc> "Packaging change:"
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| 11:12 | <warren> vagrantc: I like the bold because it grabs attention...
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> warren: hm.
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| 11:12 | <warren> PACKAGING:
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| 11:13 | the distro tags are not bold, and that's fine
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| 11:14 | <alkisg> nubae, in http://www.nubae.com/ltsp-linux-terminal-server-project-netbooted-fat-client-for-ubuntu-hardy-and-intrepid where you talk about nfs, should it be 'cat "/home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)" >> /etc/exports' or *echo*?
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| 11:14 | <ogra> tee :)
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| 11:14 | <warren> vagrantc: I don't care what words... although I would prefer bold fort his
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| 11:14 | PACKAGING: Describe what packagers need to do here.
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| 11:14 | <ogra> echo "/home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)"|sudo tee -a /etc/exports
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| 11:14 | <warren> OK?
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| 11:15 | <alkisg> ogra, ty! :)
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> warren: i'm not thrilled with the BOLD... but whatever. :)
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| 11:15 | warren: of course, i'm but one voice.
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| 11:15 | * ogra would like it a bit shorter | |
| 11:15 | <ogra> PKG:
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| 11:15 | <warren> that's fine with me
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| 11:15 | better hope a distro named PKG doesn't join
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| 11:15 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:16 | we can change if they show up :)
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> PKG: works for me.
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| 11:16 | short enough that the bold doesn't hurt.
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| 11:16 | <ogra> right
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| 11:16 | <warren> OK, let's announce this.
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| 11:17 | happens rarely anyway
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| 11:17 | <ogra> and doesnt eat all screen space in different bzr UIs
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| 11:17 | <warren> brb lunch
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| 11:20 | <nubae> alkisg: cat :-)
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| 11:20 | does it say echo?
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| 11:21 | johnny: good suggestion, will do
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| 11:21 | <alkisg> nubae, sure??? !!! It says cat, but is this correct?!!!
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| 11:22 | <sbalneav> No, should be echo
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| 11:22 | <nubae> yah... doh, mindslip
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| 11:22 | <ogra> cat only operates on files
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| 11:22 | <sbalneav> cat "/home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)" will try to open a file called "/home 192......"
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| 11:22 | <Q-FUNK> on mice too
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| 11:23 | <sbalneav> which, unless by some amazing chance of serendipity, you don't likely have on your box.
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| 11:23 | <nubae> :-) the thing is doesnt give an error message either
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| 11:24 | <sbalneav> root@feniks:~# cat "/home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)" >> /etc/exports
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| 11:24 | cat: /home 192.168.0.0/24(rw,no_root_squash,async): No such file or directory
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| 11:24 | root@feniks:~#
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> nubae, a fellow teacher wants to install fat clients in his lab, this is the way to do it, right?
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| 11:24 | <nubae> nubae@homeserve:~$ cat 'hello' > hello.txt
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| 11:24 | no error messgae
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| 11:24 | <sbalneav> ls -l hello
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| 11:25 | <nubae> right :D creates hello
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| 11:25 | oh well, changing that now... I can tell no one has used the howto... heh
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| 11:26 | <sbalneav> What, you mean people don't read the documentation we write for them?
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| 11:26 | * sbalneav *monicle | |
| 11:27 | <nubae> monicle?
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| 11:27 | <sbalneav> Whoops, monocle, I mean
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| 11:27 | 1 sec
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| 11:27 | <ogra> grrr
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| 11:27 | * ogra restarts his linux-omap build | |
| 11:28 | <sbalneav> http://images.imabearmeow.com/comics/monocle.jpg
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| 11:28 | I'm so shocked and surprised my Monocle popped out :)
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| 11:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> I thought a monocle was required dress for this channel
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| 11:28 | <nubae> hehe ok
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| 11:29 | alkisg: yeah thats what they should use, its fixed now
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> nubae, thanks
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| 11:29 | <nubae> I've not tested for hardy... I believe that would require tweaking
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| 11:29 | <alkisg> (see? someones does read your documentation... :))
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| 11:29 | <nubae> intrepid works fine for me though, but some extra testing wouldnt hurt
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| 11:30 | lol, actually I just looked at the blog and someone else just commented on the script
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| 11:30 | <sbalneav> _UsUrPeR_: Monocles, top hats, canes containing either dualling swords or small flasks of brandy are all required dress for #ltsp
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| 11:30 | We're very highbrow here, you know.
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| 11:30 | <nubae> @g define:red hat
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| 11:30 | <ltsplogbot> Red Hat is dedicated to open source software. Founded in 1995 in Raleigh, North Carolina, Red Hat is widely recognized for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. @ http://www.webservio.net/hosting/glossary.html ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:red%20hat )
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| 11:30 | <nubae> hmmm
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| 11:31 | used to define the type of hat
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| 11:31 | velora I believe
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| 11:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: Absolutely. Alex was appalled to learn that his two-button-suit-wearing-self was turned away from "ltsp by the sea"'s main ballroom due to the fact that he was not, in fact, wearing a tuxedo.
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| 11:32 | * ogra raises a brow and notes that sbalneav isnt wearing his tuxedo today | |
| 11:34 | * _UsUrPeR_ shuns Scott's low-brow appearance. | |
| 11:41 | <sbalneav> How do YOU know I'm not wearing a tuxedo.
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| 11:41 | Proof, please :)
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| 11:42 | * sbalneav posits Schrodingers Tuxedo problem | |
| 11:42 | <ogra> i saw your norwegian sweater mirrored in your monocle when you took it out
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| 11:43 | <sbalneav> Currently, my dress is a wave function representing "Wearing Tuxedo|Naked"
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| 11:43 | To you REALLY want to look in the box? :)
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| 11:43 | * ogra covers his eyes | |
| 11:43 | <sbalneav> I stand vindicated.
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> QED, I'm wearing a tuxedo.
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| 11:45 | <filo1234> hi all, how can i create user on LTSP server? simply wind adduser newuser?
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| 11:45 | * vagrantc scrounges up an earth-tone tuxedo at the thrift shoppe | |
| 11:46 | <filo1234> wind/with
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| 11:46 | <ogra> yes
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| 11:46 | <warren> vagrantc: you are becoming a suit?
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| 11:46 | <filo1234> ogra: yes is for me?
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| 11:46 | <ogra> yes
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| 11:46 | :)
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| 11:47 | * _UsUrPeR_ is wearing two suits, one on top of the other. | |
| 11:47 | <filo1234> ogra: ok :)
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| 11:47 | * ogra prefers waring a bathcoat :) | |
| 11:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> two suits = one tuxedo
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| 11:48 | <warren> ogra: Canonical dress code?
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| 11:48 | I think here they just prefer that we wear pants.
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| 11:48 | <filo1234> ogra: But should not stand in /opt/ltsp/i386/home
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| 11:49 | ?
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| 11:49 | <vagrantc> warren: no, just wearing one until it's threadbare
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| 11:49 | <johnny> filo1234, no
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| 11:49 | <ogra> warren, pants ? thats overdressed :)
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| 11:50 | * _UsUrPeR_ *monocles* | |
| 11:50 | <filo1234> johnny: ok thanks
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| 11:50 | <ogra> _UsUrPeR_, *only* monocles ?
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| 11:50 | <_UsUrPeR_> ogra: I am surprised myself. My top hat remains intact!
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| 11:51 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:51 | * _UsUrPeR_ belatedly *tophats* | |
| 11:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> oh, there it goes
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| 12:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> I have a question pertaining to a virtual desktop environment. Could someone take a look at the following image and tell me what I have done wrong? I want to upper and lower panels to be at the top and bottom of the virtual desktop, not the top and bottom of my monitor's max resolution. The desktop also is keeping the icons to the right... I can't drag them over or anything :|
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| 12:03 | here's the image: http://twiki.acurrus.com/desktop.png
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| 12:05 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> hi all
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| 12:05 | good evening
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| 12:06 | i need help with ltsp 5 server and server pa-risc hppa 64 bit
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| 12:06 | the installation of ltsp-server in debian etch is ok
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| 12:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> lovely: what's going on? I'll throw my top hat and monocle in the ring...
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| 12:08 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> but when i do ltsp-build-client , initializing download and at the end do error for chroot
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| 12:08 | it download all /opt/ltsp/i386 but can't do chroot
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| 12:09 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> i try to do ltsp-build-client --arch hppa and lo /opt/ltsp/hppa and i can chroot in
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| 12:09 | but the client doesn't work with hppa
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| 12:09 | it's a buG?
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| 12:10 | <vagrantc> whoah.
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| 12:10 | LoVeLyPeRVeRT: is the server an hppa server?
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| 12:10 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> yes
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| 12:10 | with debian etch
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> we dropped support for anything but i386, amd64 and powerpc for lenny ...
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| 12:11 | though i've added back in support in experimental ...
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| 12:11 | though i have no hardware to test on.
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| 12:11 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> k
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> LoVeLyPeRVeRT: as far as i know, you're the first tester for hppa :)
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| 12:12 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> :)
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| 12:12 | <vagrantc> you have hppa thin clients?
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| 12:12 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> no, the client is i386 , i use ltsp but with i386 and it work
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| 12:13 | but i have this monster of hppa and i would use it
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| 12:13 | <ogra> find a i386 machine to built the clent chroot
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| 12:13 | then copy it over
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> what ogra says
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| 12:13 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> :) lol ok
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| 12:13 | i try
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> LoVeLyPeRVeRT: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian should explain it briefly
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| 12:14 | * ogra looks forward to adding arm patches :) | |
| 12:14 | <johnny> if it's all binary, why does it need to be built on another machine?
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> ogra: you got any arm thin clients?
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| 12:14 | <johnny> been meaning to ask this for awhile..
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| 12:14 | vagrantc, beagleboard :)
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> johnny: because the process depends on being able to chroot into it
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| 12:14 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> thin client is i386 (pentium 2
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| 12:14 | <ogra> vagrantc, http://www.mistralsolutions.com/business_divisons/omap_3evm.php
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| 12:14 | vagrantc, though thats not what i'd recommend as TC
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| 12:14 | <chrisinajar> johnny: because binary is built different on the different archs, so the archs can't read the same binaries at all...
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| 12:15 | <ogra> vagrantc, but http://beagleboard.org/ i just perfect
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| 12:15 | <johnny> read them? aha
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| 12:15 | <ogra> *is
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| 12:15 | vagrantc, http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/11/arm-and-ubuntu-to-join-forces-in-the-netbook-world
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| 12:15 | we support arm since today \o/
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| 12:16 | <Q-FUNK> yup :)
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, i attempted to port the network booting code from debian-installer/debian-cd
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| 12:16 | <ogra> and with qemu its totally easy to build TC chroots
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> ogra: so it's there.
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| 12:16 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> i've been playing with qemu-system-arm, but haven't had the best of luck ...
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| 12:16 | weird stalls and such
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| 12:17 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> ok i read this It is possible to host multiple architectures on a single server, though
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| 12:17 | usually this requires building the client chroot on the same architecture, and
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| 12:17 | then copy the /opt/ltsp/ARCH directory onto the NFS server.
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> and i don't know how to netboot with qemu-system-arch
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| 12:17 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> now i try
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| 12:17 | <chrisinajar> LoVeLyPeRVeRT: that is indeed possible.
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| 12:17 | <ogra> vagrantc, never tried that, but will
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> ogra: whee :)
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| 12:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> has anyone seen my top hat and monocle? I threw them in the ring, went to the bathroom, and they're gone now...
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| 12:19 | <ogra> johnny, half way through building the client the script chroots into the client root and does its stuff ... if the binar executable format doesnt match that breaks
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| 12:19 | <chrisinajar> has anyone gotten an iMac PowerPC G5 to netboot before?
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> gotta head to work
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| 12:19 | <chrisinajar> I can get most macs to do it, but not this one...
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| 12:19 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> azz, my i386 is ubuntu, my server is debian...can i have trouble?
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| 12:19 | <chrisinajar> _UsUrPeR_: no, but your cane is over there
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| 12:19 | * chrisinajar points | |
| 12:20 | <chrisinajar> next BTS is going to have a dress code...
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| 12:33 | <warren> ogra: does Ubuntu 8.10 output all sound through pulseaudio before it gets to ALSA?
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| 12:34 | <ogra> afaik, yes
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| 12:34 | <warren> k
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| 12:34 | <ogra> not all sound, all sound in a session
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| 12:34 | <warren> ogra: do you ship the alsa-plugins-pulseaudio (might have a different package name) that tells alsa that pulseaudio is the default alsa device?
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| 12:35 | <ogra> yep
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| 12:35 | <warren> what is the package name called in ubuntu?
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| 12:35 | <ogra> libasound2-plugins
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| 12:35 | <warren> /etc/alsa/pulse-default.conf
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| 12:35 | /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so
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| 12:35 | /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
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| 12:35 | /etc/alsa/pulse-default.conf
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| 12:35 | <ogra> (though it might have changed, i didnt touch the normal distro in 8.10)
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| 12:35 | <warren> contains stuff like that?
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| 12:36 | <ogra> ogra@osiris:/var/build/omap/linux-omap-2.6$ dpkg -S /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so
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| 12:36 | libasound2-plugins: /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so
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| 12:36 | <warren> ok excellent
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| 12:36 | <ogra> note that gdm plays a sound that goes directly through alsa
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| 12:36 | fo ra11y reasons
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| 12:36 | *for a11y
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| 12:37 | pulse gets started with the user session after login
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| 12:37 | ubuntu is fully accessible, from CD boot on, these parts dont use pulse
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| 12:38 | <warren> yeah, exacctly the same as us
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| 12:38 | <ogra> i.e. CD bootoptions use festival directly
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| 12:38 | through alsa
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| 12:39 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> can i build with ubuntu and then use with debian etch?
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| 12:39 | <ogra> or something like that
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| 12:39 | LoVeLyPeRVeRT, i dont think anyone every tested that, but it might work
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| 12:39 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> now i try and then i saw
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| 12:39 | <ogra> though etch is *very* old
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| 12:40 | <LoVeLyPeRVeRT> lenny is up now?
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| 12:40 | <ogra> might be that a relatively recent ubuntu requires features the etch doesnt offer
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| 12:40 | not yet, but near i think
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| 12:40 | <jammcq> ogra: hey, I need your help to convince scotty to visit UDS for a day
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| 12:41 | <ogra> i'll pay him a beer
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| 12:41 | and wont complain if he comes without tuxedo
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| 12:41 | <jammcq> heh
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| 12:41 | <ogra> but he needs to brin the monocle
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| 12:41 | *bring
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| 12:41 | <jammcq> he's prolly got one
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| 12:41 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:41 | sbalneav, you *have* to come
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| 12:41 | no way around that
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| 12:42 | <stgraber> +1
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| 12:43 | <jammcq> ah, peer pressure, I love it
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> _UsUrPeR_, there's a "panning" option in nvidia settings that I think does what you're looking for
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| 12:43 | <stgraber> we need scotty, there really wasn't enough LTSP dev in Prague (at least the few days I attended)
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| 12:44 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:44 | definately
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| 12:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: thanks, I'll check on that
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| 12:47 | <alkisg> It produces: Option "metamodes" "1280x800 @2000x1000 +0+0"
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| 12:47 | <Lns> ogra: did you have a lot to do with the decision to port Ubuntu to Arm? That's pretty awesome news =)
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| 12:48 | <ogra> Lns, its one of my main work areas atm, i didnt make any decisions though, we just react to customer requests :)
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| 12:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> alkisg: metamodes eh?
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| 12:49 | * _UsUrPeR_ googles the rest | |
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| 12:49 | <Lns> ogra: that's cool. I'm glad to see Ubuntu starting to support different architectures. I've always thought that was one of Debian's strong points.
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| 12:49 | <stgraber> ogra: btw, I'm almost done with packaging all the changes in LTSP. Next step is making sure our init script is up to date and finding a better way to follow upstream changes (dpatch ?)
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| 12:50 | <ogra> dpatch sounds fine ...
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| 12:51 | <ogra> Lns, we have ports for hpa, ia64, sparc, ppc and ppc64
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| 12:51 | *hppa
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| 12:51 | since ubuntu exists
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| 12:52 | <Lns> ..and now arm =)
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| 12:52 | <warren> pscheie: soon, maybe this week time to spin the final K12Linux F9
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| 12:52 | <stgraber> well, only i386, amd64 and lpia are supported architectures for now (I guess arm will be too) but all packages build on all archs
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| 12:52 | <warren> pscheie: let's update the doc package
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| 12:53 | <stgraber> only difference is that we don't need the ports to be done building all packages to rebuild
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| 12:53 | <warren> pscheie: i'll use whatever you have in a few days, add stuff if necessary and go with it
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| 12:53 | <stgraber> s/rebuild/release/
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| 12:54 | <pscheie> warren, ok
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| 12:55 | <Lns> For a non-programmer like me, would it be sane to believe that the more architectures your packages support, the (generally) better quality the code is overall (since you have to conform to so many different archs) ? Or is that just a bad assumption? "Better quality code" meaning a very general sense in the term, relating to architecture-specific stability anyway
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| 12:55 | <warren> pscheie: if you could update the text to better explain the "DEMO or INSTALL" part at the top, that would be good.
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| 12:56 | <pscheie> warren, do you need it before the end of the weekend?
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| 12:56 | <warren> pscheie: yes
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| 12:56 | pscheie: if you're time crunched, could you at least fix that one screenshot where the wrong thing is highlighted?
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| 12:56 | pscheie: I can fix the text
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| 12:56 | <pscheie> yes, already did that
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| 12:57 | <warren> could you send the updated image to the list?
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| 12:57 | any updated text as well
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| 12:57 | <stgraber> Lns: it's usually true but that's mainly for the core system and core libraries, softwares themselves usually build correctly if they don't fail building on 64bit
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| 12:58 | Lns: usually the problem is things like kernel/grub/usplash/libc
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| 12:58 | <pscheie> warren, yes, but I probably won't be able to get to it until tomorrow night; got an upgrade at work going on tonight
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| 12:58 | <warren> pscheie: np.
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| 12:58 | <pscheie> won't be home until late, and it's all on my laptop, from BTS
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| 12:59 | I did add some text to the wiki trying to explain installing vs. demoing
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| 12:59 | not sure how well it explains it to the uninitiated, tho.
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| 12:59 | <Lns> stgraber: cool. =)
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| 13:01 | <cliebow_> chrisinajar, i guess i could try booting an xserve as a client..abot all i ahve sides ibooks
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| 13:01 | <warren> pscheie: any instruction is better than no instructions
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| 13:01 | <pscheie> warren, regarding Patrice's comment that the section on adding a user should be in another doc or a link to the Fedora manual, I'm reluctant to change it because I was trying to make the document self-inclusive, although I see his point
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| 13:02 | but perhaps it should be changed (?)
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| 13:02 | <warren> pscheie: that document needs to explain how to add a user, becuase you can't test it after setup without one
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| 13:02 | This is only a "quick start guide"
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| 13:03 | <pscheie> warren, perhaps that would be a better name for it
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| 13:03 | <warren> pscheie: yeah, go ahead and rename the titles and stuff
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| 13:04 | <pscheie> I could contain a link to a document on the web about creating users, but what if someone is trying it without an internet link?
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| 13:04 | uncommon perhaps, but possible
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| 13:04 | besides, it's already in there, so I think I'll leave it.
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| 13:05 | <warren> just make sure the top of the document says explicitly, this is only a quick start guide
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| 13:05 | <warren> with a link to the home page for more
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| 13:05 | <pscheie> yeah, I like that idea
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc> hrm. xinitrc just seems like an overused name... but i can't really think of a better one
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| 13:38 | seeing as xinit calls ~/.xinitrc or /usr/some/path/xinitrc
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| 13:38 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:38 | i dont like it either
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc> i'm trying to make a reasonably sane changelog entry, but i'm just stalled on that... :)
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| 13:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> Is an entry in the fstab of a client the only thing required to mount a nfs?
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| 13:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> this is what I have thus far: 192.168.1.23:/var/log/temp /var/log/temp nfs users,noauto,rw 0 0
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| 13:51 | in the client fstab
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| 13:51 | on the server, the nfs daemon is runnign
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| 13:51 | err running
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| 13:52 | <_UsUrPeR_> but when trying to mount on the client, it throws an error: mount fs type, bad option, bad superbock on 192.168.1.23:/var/log/temp, missing codepage or helper program
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| 13:53 | do clients support nfs from the original build?
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| 13:53 | <etyack> _UsUrPeR_: does /var/log/temp exist on the client?
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| 13:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> yes
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| 13:54 | as a dir
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| 13:54 | <etyack> did you try it manually on a console session on the client?
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| 13:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> and I have put the following in /etc/export: /var/log/temp 192.168.1.0/24(rw)
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| 13:55 | etyack: yes. that's where I got the error.
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| 13:56 | same command appears with "mount -t nfs -o rw 192.168.1.23:/var/log/temp /var/log/temp"
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| 13:57 | <etyack> restarted nfs on the server
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| 13:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> correct
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| 13:57 | service nfs restart
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| 13:57 | no errors
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| 13:59 | <etyack> what nfs packages are installed on the client?
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| 14:00 | client/chroot
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| 14:00 | <_UsUrPeR_> it appears none.......
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| 14:00 | * _UsUrPeR_ installs nfs stuff | |
| 14:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> rpm -qa |grep nfs = no results
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| 14:01 | <cliebow_> netstat -anp|grep "2049"
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| 14:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> vliebow_: no results
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| 14:02 | installing support now :/
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| 14:18 | <sbalneav> I've added a trap handler for cleanup to the ldm script. That way, cleanup of the appropriate files happens if things die or someone kills the ldm script
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| 14:18 | It also (nicely) makes the xinit the last line of the file.
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| 14:20 | Anybody object to a push?
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| 14:22 | Hearing none, welcome to 966
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| 14:26 | <Blinny> And the crowd goes wild!
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| 14:27 | Gotta fly!
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: we should definitely make more use of trap
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| 14:59 | <johnny> uggh.. /me looks for a newer ubuntu kernel
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: yeah
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| 15:18 | <sbalneav> It's kind of interesting, at the beginning of LTSP5, we had a huge amount of progress, but a lot of things either didn't work at all, or didn't work properly. We just kind of shovelled code at it, and kept banging on things.
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> well, ltsp 5.1.34 works fine with older LDM 2.0.6... newer LDM 2.0.18 needs some tweaks to work with older ltsp 5.1.10, but seems not too difficult.
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| 15:18 | though i haven't really worked out the inter-version compatibility just yet ...
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| 15:19 | <sbalneav> I'm not sure if this is the tipping point or not, but it FEELS like we're moving into the middle phase: we're pretty much feature complete, and now we're beginning to polish
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> yeah, that's what i've been thinking
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| 15:19 | * jammcq wonders what the end phase is | |
| 15:19 | <vagrantc> ltspfs has been there a while, yes.
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| 15:19 | yet
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| 15:20 | <sbalneav> jammcq: World dominiation, of course.
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| 15:20 | * vagrantc is a little confused with all the changes to jetpipe ... | |
| 15:20 | <vagrantc> seems like it just assumes it's a serial printer no matter what?
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| 15:20 | <sbalneav> it still needs more cleanup
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| 15:20 | no, it shouldn't
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| 15:20 | but I haven't looked at it for a couple of days.
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| 15:21 | it needs better classing. It's a mashup right now.
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| 15:21 | * vagrantc shakes head | |
| 15:21 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: well, the way it's called from ltsp-client-core looks like it assumes serial
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| 15:21 | <sbalneav> I'll sit down in a day or so and clean it up nicely
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> unless it ignores the serial options
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| 15:22 | <sbalneav> I didn't update client core so that must have been Gadi. I'll review later.
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> but it's definitely feeling better
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> yeah, with the exception of LocalApps, we're beginning to slow down on the "Argh! We need this feature! Darn it! Why doesn't this work!!", and now we're into the "hmm, how can we polish this a little and make it nicer"
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> right
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| 15:25 | of course, we had to do this right after debian stable froze :(
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> I think this tine next year, we'll look back and say BTS 2008 was were we started to become a mature product :)
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| 15:26 | Meh.
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| 15:26 | Debian's been around for a while
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| 15:26 | so have we :)
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| 15:26 | What's the rush? :)
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> i've managed to do a good job of keeping it backported during the whole of etch's release cycle, hopefully i'll be able to do the same with lenny
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| 15:27 | <sbalneav> Besides, can't we just backport all of this?
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| 15:27 | right.
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> seems like warren at least is interested in backportability
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| 15:27 | sometimes there are changes that make backporting difficult
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| 15:28 | * vagrantc hides a hidden agenda to port LTSP to FreeBSD | |
| 15:28 | <vagrantc> oops!
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> Well, stgraber and I "cleaned up" a few vars that in retrospect, maybe we shouldn't have, but it was done in the spirit of "Why don't we clean this up properly" as opposed to deliberate breakage.
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| 15:28 | <jammcq> Gadi: hey, how's the feds ?
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: the DISPLAY/DISP thing is relatively easy to work around
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| 15:29 | * Gadi has had a rough day | |
| 15:29 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: more is all this frantic push towards HAL or nothing
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> if I go in and out its because I am on the train online via modem
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> Gadi: awwww.
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> I can't remember why we didn't just use DISPLAY right from the beginning
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: security by obscurity!
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| 15:29 | <Gadi> but figured out how to auto-reconnect
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| 15:30 | which is useful
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| 15:30 | vagrantc: jetpipe will ignore serial options on non-serial printers
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: or requiring newer versions of glib that are hard to backport ... or something like that.
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| 15:30 | <jammcq> vagrantc: do I need to remind you what the 'L' in LTSP stands for?
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> Gadi: ah, easy!
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| 15:30 | jammcq: oh, i know.
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| 15:31 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: We're not using any fancy glib features, have you tried to reduce the "level" of glib in the depends?
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| 15:31 | <jammcq> Gadi: you have a cellular modem?
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| 15:33 | <sbalneav> I bet we could compile against an older version of glib.
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| 15:34 | when I was writing the configure.ac, what I usually do is just do the old "hmm, what version am I running on this box" routine.
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i haven't even tried to backport it yet ... but it's an example of the sort of thing that people get tempted to do that can make backporting a pain.
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| 15:35 | <sbalneav> but we're not using anything really other than the g_* string routines, hash and list, and primarily the *spawn routines.
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| 15:35 | and they've been around forever.
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> i haven't tried backporting the newest ldm to etch yet ... probably never will.
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| 15:36 | sbalneav: not specifically glib, but it could be some other library ... just as an example of backporting nightmares :)
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> ltsp 5.1.34-1 and ldm 2.0.18-1 uploaded to debian experimental :)
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| 15:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> has anyone had any luck mounting an nfs dir in Fedora 9? I'm getting an error: mount.nfs: internal error
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| 15:38 | <sbalneav> Well, I can't see us using much more than glib, so if you run into something in the future that DOESN'T backport nicely, let me know, and we can use either older interfaces, or do the #ifdef GLIBVBLAH .. #elif GLIBVFOO #fi thing.
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok. i'm not real savvy on how to handle those situations, but i'll let y'all know :)
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| 15:41 | <sbalneav> Usually with #ifdef's. ltspfs has a good example in the getdir/readdir split that occurred right at the time I was writing it.
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> cool
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| 15:43 | * vagrantc heads off to a floor shift at freegeek | |
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| 16:06 | <johnny> nubae, where is this new script?
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| 16:07 | <sbalneav> johnny: You're one of the SuSEers, right?
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| 16:08 | * sbalneav having a hard time keeping who's who streait | |
| 16:08 | <johnny> sbalneav, no
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| 16:08 | gentoo.,.
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| 16:08 | and ubuntu
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| 16:09 | <sbalneav> ah. ok
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| 16:09 | * sbalneav wracks brain | |
| 16:09 | <sbalneav> so, who's a SuSEer?
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| 16:12 | <johnny> cyberorg is
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| 16:13 | <jammcq> and jlperry too, eh?
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| 16:15 | <johnny> yeah
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| 17:16 | * vagrantc chuckles at the ltsp-build-client --dist gutsy question | |
| 17:16 | <vagrantc> on debian, that is
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| 17:35 | <Lns> Debian on the G1! Ha!
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| 17:35 | Finally, a smartphone you can put Debian on. =p
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| 17:36 | <johnny> you can put it on the freerunner already
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| 17:36 | and soon ubuntu..
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| 17:55 | <stgraber> for those of you who'd like to try the latest LTSP on Intrepid, you can use https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive
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| 17:55 | I just tested them and it seeems to work as it should
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| 17:58 | <stgraber> ogra: I'll play with them tomorrow and if everything works it'll be the first LTSP upload for Jaunty
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| 18:11 | <vagrantc> stgraber: you didn't change the tarball since your ~ppa1 packages, yes?
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| 18:12 | stgraber: as i used your the tarballs from your ldm/ltsp ~ppa1 packages
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| 18:29 | <warren> vagrantc: "fall back to setting DISPLAY from DISP variable for backwards compatibility"
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| 18:29 | vagrantc: I don't have to worry about this right?
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| 18:29 | I pushed what I thought was the final build for F10
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| 18:30 | <Lns> Re: Firefox 3.x /dev/random vs /dev/urandom usage fixed, PPA release for Hardy/Ibex/Jaunty to come - http://www.mozilla.org/projects/nspr/release-notes/nspr472.html
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> warren: it's only if you use the new ldm with older ltsp
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| 18:30 | warren: and even then, it's only one step towards compatibility ...
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| 18:31 | <warren> k
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| 18:31 | <vagrantc> 2-3 recent things affect backwards compatibility with ldm/ltsp interactions: switching from DISP -> DISPLAY, putting the while loop in screen_session rather than each screen script, and calling using openvt
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| 18:33 | i've almost got it working by puttin a wrapper script in /etc/ltsp/screen.d/ldm that basically puts the real script in the while loop, and could probably handle the openvt stuff, too.
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| 18:34 | but the DISP/DISPLAY thing needed to be put in the main script, and since it's a one-liner, i figured i'd push upstream.
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| 18:34 | we're going to need a backported ldm for freegeek, and if possible, i don't want to have to backport ltsp* as well.
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| 18:35 | though i'll probably just end up doing that, too :)
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| 18:39 | <warren> vagrantc: it looks like I will have to maintain ltsp latest against RHEL5 for ~5 years now
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| 18:40 | vagrantc: I intend on not backporting fixes but instead constantly testing the latest upstream on RHEL5 and add conditionals if necessary. Only if something REALLY BIG changes I might fork it off.
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| 18:40 | vagrantc: OTOH, we had discussed upstream branches in the past.
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| 18:41 | <vagrantc> warren: i hope we can keep it simple enough that forking can be avoided.
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| 18:41 | <warren> that is ideal, yes.
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| 18:42 | vagrantc: soon I also want to rearrange the directory structure upstream so it is more logical and less of a hodge-podge
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| 18:42 | vagrantc: all major distros will need to agree to the new proposed structure
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| 18:42 | <vagrantc> it could surely use some cleanup, indeed.
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| 18:44 | <warren> vagrantc: btw, does anyone use the upstream ldm theme?
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| 18:44 | vagrantc: it is unnecessarily huge in file size
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> warren: debian does
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| 18:44 | <warren> my much nicer looking bg.png is 2.5KB while the upstream is almost 100KB
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| 18:45 | OptiPNG is a PNG optimizer that recompresses image files to a smaller size,
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| 18:45 | without losing any information. This program also converts external formats
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| 18:45 | (BMP, GIF, PNM and TIFF) to optimized PNG, and performs PNG integrity checks
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| 18:45 | and corrections.
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| 18:45 | * warren tries this tool | |
| 18:45 | <vagrantc> i just whipped it together so there was something, if you want to improve it, by all means :)
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| 18:45 | <warren> Output IDAT size = 90532 bytes (8668 bytes decrease)
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| 18:45 | Output file size = 90688 bytes (8812 bytes = 8.86% decrease)
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| 18:45 | not much
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| 18:45 | <stgraber> vagrantc: no, it's only packaging change, we can't push two different tarballs with the same version number to LP
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> i felt like 104k was pretty good compared to the ubuntu bg.png ... which were something like 500k at the time
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| 18:46 | stgraber: i thought so, i just wanted to make sure :)
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| 18:47 | <warren> I don't know how my artist did it
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| 18:47 | but she made a nicer gradient on blue in only 2.5KB
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| 18:48 | * warren tries my bg.png with the rest of upstream's graphics | |
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> warren: if you hand me your bg.png, i can try it out, too.
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| 19:00 | <warren> vagrantc: hmmm, my bg.png looks pretty slick with the LTSP upstream art
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| 19:01 | vagrantc: http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/bg.png
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| 19:02 | vagrantc: given that it looks better, and it is only 2.5KB, I say we replace the upstream bg.png.
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| 19:02 | <vagrantc> well, if it still looks good for me, i'd say go ahead ...
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| 19:02 | let me try it first, though
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| 19:02 | <warren> yeah, test it
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| 19:02 | it makes the yellow LTSP.org look less sickly
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| 19:10 | <vagrantc> warren: well, i wouldn't say it looks hugely better, but it doesn't really look any worse, and it's a lot smaller.
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| 19:10 | so i'd say push it
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| 19:10 | <warren> vagrantc: it looks amazingly better to me
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| 19:10 | ok
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> i guess i'm looking at a colordepth of 16
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| 19:11 | * vagrantc tries 24 | |
| 19:11 | <warren> it looks fine at 16 depth? I haven't tried that in a while
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| 19:13 | <vagrantc> warren: looks ok. but the other didn't look great either
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| 19:13 | <warren> ok, so not a regression
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| 19:14 | i'm checking it in
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| 19:14 | <vagrantc> i liked the diagonal gradient better than the horizontal one, but whatever. :)
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| 19:14 | <warren> this is horizontal?
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc> it looks darker on the bottom than the top
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| 19:15 | <warren> I thought this is diagonal, but so subtle you can barely tell
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| 19:15 | hmm, you might be right
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> that 104k bg.png was about my only attempt at art for a free software project
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| 19:16 | warren: what's the liscensing on it?
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| 19:17 | <warren> vagrantc: I'm pretty sure our artist would be fine with any license
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| 19:17 | vagrantc: given that we ship it in our ldm...
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| 19:17 | <vagrantc> well, sure. just need it to be explicit...
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| 19:18 | <warren> GPLv2+
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| 19:19 | <vagrantc> sounds good to me :)
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| 20:15 | <vagrantc> oh hell.
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| 20:16 | a bug i long though was fixed is borked again.
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| 20:16 | initramfs-tools in lenny was, at some point, working with setting the ip address in root-path ...
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| 20:16 | *sigh*
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| 20:22 | hah!
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| 20:22 | lsb_release detect etch on a lenny system.
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| 20:22 | no wonder it seemed like all these bugs i had once fixed.
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| 20:22 | * vagrantc rebuilds... | |
| 20:25 | <vagrantc> got me worried all of the sudden.
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| 20:50 | <stgraber> sbalneav: hey, did you have a chance to test password expiry with current ldm ?
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> whoah.
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| 21:14 | login with ssh keys and ldm 2.0.6 ... leaves the greeter running in the background...
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| 21:14 | or at least with the wonky setup i have here ...
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| 21:15 | <jammcq> hellooooooo
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| 21:16 | <vagrantc> hey
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| 21:16 | <jammcq> hey vagrantc
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| 21:16 | <vagrantc> finally getting around to switching freegeek over to LDM, thanks to Ryan52
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| 21:17 | <jammcq> ah, cool
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| 21:17 | <vagrantc> pretty much implemented all the weird features we use at freegeek
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| 21:22 | <vagrantc> the weird ldm problem may be with ssh keys and forced commands ... or the particular command that was forced.
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| 21:23 | <jammcq> vagrantc: hey, there's a guy locally who is starting "Motor City FreeGeek"
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| 21:23 | <vagrantc> jammcq: they'd best get in touch with us!
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| 21:23 | <jammcq> I think he has
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| 21:23 | i'm pretty sure of it
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| 21:23 | <vagrantc> detroit, basically?
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| 21:23 | <jammcq> yup
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| 21:53 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so, i'm happy to report that the new LDM can at least log into an etch server without problems.
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| 21:57 | oh-oh.
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| 21:58 | seems like the ssh timeout might be a little too fast.
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 22:00 | hangs using GNOME on etch :(
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| 22:13 | <vagrantc> might be a weird bug unrelated to LDM ...
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| 22:16 | <warren> vagrantc: what exactly is hte timeout waiting for?
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| 22:16 | if a server is a little slow in responding, ldm kills it?
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| 22:18 | <vagrantc> warren: i'm not sure... it basically was something that was supposed to respond to failed passwords faster
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| 22:19 | <Ryan52> if the ssh program dies, then it responds right away. if ssh spits out random stuff that doesn't contain a colon, then ldm reponds after 30 seconds.
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| 22:19 | responds meaning say "No response from server, restarting..." and restarting.
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| 22:19 | <vagrantc> it was sending "No response from server, restarting..." instantly.
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| 22:20 | <Ryan52> yes, because ssh exited.
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| 22:20 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 22:20 | <warren> sleep
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| 22:20 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: i think it was the correct password, though ...
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| 22:20 | warren: you need to pass it an argument to really get any rest out of it.
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| 22:20 | <Ryan52> hrm..
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: but overall, looks pretty good.
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| 22:32 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:32 | <tacidsky> hello
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| 22:32 | <Ryan52> hi
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| 22:32 | <sbalneav> I'm chatting from my new Macintosh :)
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| 22:32 | <jammcq> dude, yer no longer a PC
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| 22:32 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i'm getting freegeek ready to switch to the new shiny LDM :)
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| 22:33 | <sbalneav> Dude!
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| 22:33 | <Ryan52> sbalneav: is your new mac shiny? :)
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| 22:33 | <vagrantc> LDM's basically almost ready.
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| 22:33 | <sbalneav> Well, I found where the shell prompt is, so basically, if I've got an xterm, I'm set
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| 22:33 | <vagrantc> although i just remembered one more missing feature ... setting per-user session default
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| 22:34 | <sbalneav> I'm just trying to figure out the command line interface to itunes :)
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| 22:34 | <Ryan52> heh. cool.
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| 22:34 | <sbalneav> Yeah, I have to support mac's more and more at work, so I figured, the heck with it, and bought a mac mini
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| 22:34 | Cute little box.
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| 22:34 | <tacidsky> I want a mac mini :(
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| 22:34 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Awesomeissitude
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| 22:35 | Working good so far?
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| 22:35 | <jammcq> sbalneav: did yo buy a monitor too?
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| 22:35 | <sbalneav> No, using a 19" lcd I already had
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| 22:35 | Bought a keyboard and a mouse tho'
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| 22:35 | <vagrantc> i could set per-user session setting as the default server-side session
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| 22:35 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: just tell them to "echo start-kde > .xsession".
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| 22:35 | err, startkde
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| 22:36 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: it only matters for the non-anonymous login server
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| 22:36 | <sbalneav> Hopefully, when carol and patricia ask me mac questions in the future I won't just sit there with a dumb look on my face.
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| 22:38 | <sbalneav> Whoohoo
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| 22:39 | Now I have grey text on a black background, and backspace works.
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| 22:39 | * vagrantc is really curious about the beagleboard | |
| 22:39 | <sbalneav> beagleboard?
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| 22:40 | <fgiraldeau> sbalneav: hi
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| 22:40 | <sbalneav> Hey Francis
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| 22:40 | See my bloggypost?
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| 22:40 | <fgiraldeau> sbalneav: not yet, do you have the link near?
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| 22:40 | <sbalneav> I only post once a year, so it's like a big event :)
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| 22:41 | ltspthinclient.blogspot.com
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| 22:41 | I think
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| 22:41 | <cyberorg> sbalneav, hi there, looking for suse guys?
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| 22:42 | <fgiraldeau> sbalneav: maybe you have an idea about a strange behavior I got
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| 22:42 | <sbalneav> No, just wanted attributions for the blag post
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| 22:42 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: http://beagleboard.org
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| 22:42 | <fgiraldeau> I create a fifo, and then delete it, and it seems that when I do that too fast, it fails
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| 22:42 | <cyberorg> ah, reading it :)
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| 22:43 | <sbalneav> How are you creating it? In C?
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| 22:43 | <fgiraldeau> http://pastebin.com/m4d3efe50
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| 22:43 | <sbalneav> or in sh with mknod
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| 22:43 | <fgiraldeau> in C
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| 22:43 | <sbalneav> Gah, can't right click in text term and do go to link.
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| 22:44 | This mac sucks
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| 22:44 | Gnome for the win.
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| 22:44 | <fgiraldeau> I'm about to reproduce the ssh control socket with libssh2
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| 22:44 | * sbalneav reformats his mac | |
| 22:44 | <sbalneav> really?
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| 22:44 | cool
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| 22:44 | one sec, I'll have a look
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| 22:45 | <fgiraldeau> thanks, but it seems really wired
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| 22:47 | <sbalneav> When it fails, what's the value of errno?
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| 22:47 | <fgiraldeau> put in a loop create_fifo and delete_fifo, the first iteration works, then other fails
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| 22:47 | let me see
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| 22:48 | <sbalneav> should be able to do a printf("%s\n", strerror(errno));
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| 22:49 | <vagrantc> ok, so LDM doesn't appear to work well with ssh keys and forced commands.
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| 22:50 | and i had this really, really weird thing happen where the login suceeded, but the greeter actually was still running... and icewm just treated it like any other client ...
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| 22:51 | haven't been able to reproduce that ...
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| 22:52 | <sbalneav> Hm, never tried it with keys. Forced commands?
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| 22:52 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: that's because it connects and tries to run "echo SOMETHING_SPECIAL_THAT_I_FORGOT; /bin/sh/ -"
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| 22:52 | <sbalneav> LTSPROCKS
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| 22:52 | <Ryan52> sbalneav: where a user connecting with that key is only allowed to run a certain thing.
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| 22:52 | yes, that's what it was :)
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| 22:53 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: command="/usr/bin/foobar" ssh-rsa ldkjgfADFGHSDFHlakjfglsdfg ... in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
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| 22:53 | well, we could just put LTSPROCKS in the forced command ...
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| 22:53 | <sbalneav> Well, if it doesn't see the sentinel, it can't know if it's logged in.
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| 22:53 | <vagrantc> but i bet a lot of the magic wouldn't work.
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| 22:54 | ah.
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| 22:54 | i wonder how ssh keys and master connections work
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| 22:54 | <sbalneav> Now.
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| 22:54 | <sbalneav> what we COULD do...
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| 22:54 | <vagrantc> maybe that's somehow not playing together nicely...
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| 22:55 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: using sockets with ssh keys works fine, I've played with it.
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| 22:56 | <sbalneav> It might be nice to try to get something going with SSH_ASKPASS
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| 22:56 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: even with forced commands?
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| 22:56 | <Ryan52> that I haven't tried.
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| 22:56 | <fgiraldeau> Error deleting /tmp/test.fifo : Success
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| 22:56 | humm...
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| 22:56 | I will revise the logic, there is something wrong, don't bother with that ;)
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| 22:57 | <stgraber> fgiraldeau: :)
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| 22:57 | <fgiraldeau> stgraber: Hi!
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| 22:58 | stgraber: see you tomorrow, I'm gonna sleep a bit
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| 22:58 | <stgraber> fgiraldeau: it's like current PAM in Ubuntu, you change your password, it fails but tells you the password was changed successfully :)
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| 22:58 | fgiraldeau: ok, see you
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| 22:58 | <fgiraldeau> stgraber: yeah, it sucks
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| 22:58 | good night all
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| 22:58 | <sbalneav> Night francis.
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| 22:59 | vagrantc: Until we get ourselves off of havinng to look at tty input for ssh, we're going to have some limitations.
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| 23:00 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i can either just drop the forced command stuff, or write a server-side wrapper to take care of it.
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| 23:00 | <Ryan52> tsk tsk...memcpy being used in the qt branch. and, guess what, it was the cause of the seg fault! I didn't see that comming at all! /me glibifies
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| 23:01 | <vagrantc> ldm has too many features that people have been asking about for *years* at freegeek... all the way back to 2001 or so...
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| 23:01 | <Ryan52> and g_freeing the return value of a call to strstr...that seems wrong.
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| 23:02 | oh, no, I misread the g_free part.
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| 23:03 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: has the features, or doesn't have the features?
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| 23:04 | jammcq: Still there?
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| 23:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: has the localdev and sound support mainly ...
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| 23:05 | and i keep thinking one other feature
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| 23:05 | of course, until we figure out this weird problem with modern PXE implementations, we're stuck using etherboot floppies so i'll have to disable floppy devices... ugh.
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| 23:07 | <sbalneav> Why? Can't you just use the pxe on the card to boot?
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| 23:07 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: for the record, if you connect to an ssh control socket that was created with a forced command, when you connect to it again it just runs the forced command
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| 23:07 | <jammcq> sbalneav: yeah
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| 23:07 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: something on the network has borked the PXE...
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| 23:07 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: that's dumb.
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| 23:07 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: that's secure.
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| 23:07 | <sbalneav> jammcq: so, I got my iPod, right?
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| 23:07 | <jammcq> ok
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| 23:07 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: yes.
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| 23:07 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: otherwise, forced commands are useless
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| 23:07 | <sbalneav> Full of mp3's that I've loaded onto it from Linux
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| 23:07 | they play fine
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| 23:07 | <jammcq> ok
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| 23:07 | <sbalneav> plug in the ipod
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| 23:08 | itunes pops up
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| 23:08 | <jammcq> k
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| 23:08 | <sbalneav> I can SEE all the music, but it's all greyed out. I can't CLICK on any of it to make it play.
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| 23:08 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: get ProxyDHCP errors on PXE boot ... plug them into another network ... same servers, same switches (although a different VLAN) and it works fine!
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| 23:08 | <jammcq> umm
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| 23:09 | you have all those mp3's on disk somewhere, right?
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| 23:09 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: wierd
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| 23:09 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so there must be some switch configuration particular to that vlan ...
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| 23:09 | <sbalneav> jammcq: I think so.
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| 23:09 | <jammcq> copy them all to your mac
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| 23:09 | import them into iTunes, it'll prolly convert them to the apple format
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| 23:09 | then sync them on to your iPod
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| 23:09 | and you'll be fine
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| 23:09 | <sbalneav> OK
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| 23:10 | <jammcq> you'll prolly wanna remove the mp3's from the ipod first
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| 23:10 | <sbalneav> Hmm, can iTunes understand ogg, I wonder.
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| 23:10 | <jammcq> umm, I doubt it
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| 23:10 | <sbalneav> Sigh.
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| 23:11 | Well, I'll figure it out.
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| 23:11 | <jammcq> i'm sure you will
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| 23:11 | <sbalneav> ipod ntive format's AAC or Flac?
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| 23:12 | <vagrantc> Flac is cool stuff.
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| 23:12 | <jammcq> no clue
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| 23:12 | I just use it. I don't care much how it works
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| 23:12 | <vagrantc> not as good compression as mp3 or ogg and a little more CPU intensive, but totally loss-less quality
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| 23:13 | * vagrantc didn't actually read the question | |
| 23:13 | <jammcq> ok, bed time
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| 23:13 | <sbalneav> Night.
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| 23:14 | I've got a music library of 350+ albums all beautifully tagged in ogg.
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| 23:14 | Don't see why I can't import from the ipod itself.
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| 23:15 | It's wierd to me.
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| 23:15 | <jammcq> well, maybe you can
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| 23:15 | i'm not an iPod guru, I just use it
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| 23:15 | jorge knows lots about that stuff
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| 23:15 | <vagrantc> i'm pretty sure you have to get different firmware to get ipod's to read ogg
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| 23:16 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Unfortunately, I've got an ipod classic, so they don't have a version of rockbox for it yet.
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| 23:16 | otherwise, it'd already be converted.
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| 23:16 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 23:16 | i kinda wondered :)
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| 23:16 | well, good hacking with y'all :)
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| 23:16 | <sbalneav> Night.
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| 23:17 | <petre> warren, ping
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| 23:23 | <johnny> sbalneav, maybe a plugin to rhythmbox or something that could convert stuff to mp3 while copying..
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| 23:23 | perhaps that already exists..
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| 23:24 | <sbalneav> Oh, I've GOT a duplicate tree in mp3 format.
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| 23:24 | It just seems rather odd to me that:
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| 23:25 | 1) I have to copy them over to the mac, meaning I'm going to have to figure out how to either get nfs going on the mac, or do like an scp
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| 23:25 | <johnny> copy them to the mac for what?
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| 23:25 | oh..
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| 23:25 | <sbalneav> johnny: Did you read the above?
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| 23:25 | <johnny> i wouldn't mess with it from itunes at all
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| 23:25 | ignore itunes
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| 23:26 | it is the devil
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| 23:26 | <sbalneav> Why?
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| 23:27 | It's just a program.
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| 23:27 | <johnny> obviously not
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| 23:27 | if if it can't read the music you've gotten on it from linux
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| 23:27 | maybe the metadata isn't a perfect match anymore
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| 23:28 | maybe it's missing that one tiny bit that makes itunes want to ignore it or something
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| 23:28 | <sbalneav> But it SEES the music list. It's just greyed out.
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| 23:28 | <johnny> sure.. it's greyed out for a reason :)
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| 23:28 | it doesn't like what you did
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| 23:29 | it knows you went behind its back
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| 23:29 | and now you are being punished
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| 23:29 | <sbalneav> You're talking a lot of baloney.
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| 23:29 | <johnny> not about the part of of not liking what you did
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| 23:29 | that is obviously true
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| 23:30 | <sbalneav> No, it's NOT obviously true
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| 23:30 | <johnny> otherwise you wouldn't be having a problem
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| 23:30 | it would just work
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| 23:30 | <sbalneav> it might be something I'M doin wrong.
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| 23:30 | <johnny> i perhaps was under the wrong assumption that you have used itunes before?
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| 23:30 | and it worked fine?
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| 23:30 | <sbalneav> I just got the mac like yesterday.
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| 23:31 | first time I've ever used it.
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| 23:31 | <johnny> you probably didn't do anything wrong
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| 23:31 | afaik it is supposed to be that easy
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| 23:31 | <sbalneav> You ever used iTunes?
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| 23:31 | <johnny> i haven't personally.. but i've seen my friends use it
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| 23:31 | didn't see any twiddling
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| 23:31 | plug the thing in.. pick what you want
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| 23:31 | <sbalneav> So, basically, you know just about as much as I do.
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| 23:31 | <Ryan52> chrisinaWORKPLAC, brendan0powers: okay, I cleaned it up a bit, fixed the seg fault, and fixed the greeter not spawning issue. see the commit logs. It still doesn't work, for reasons unknown (as I am out of time for tonight). Tomorrow I'll work on getting the gtk greeter ported to the new protocol so we can tell if it's a ldm or a qtgreeter issue.
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| 23:32 | <johnny> and it just works :)
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| 23:32 | <sbalneav> Which is nothing.
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| 23:32 | I'll keep fiddling :)
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| 23:32 | <johnny> have fun with that.. you might need to format your ipod's internal db tho
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| 23:33 | <sbalneav> Why? I've never touched the ipod other than to put stuff on it.
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| 23:33 | <johnny> unless they removed compat for your old ipod.. but that woudl be unlikely
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| 23:33 | sure.. but you're assuming the people who wrote the program that you used on linux, actually did it 100% perfectly itunes compatible
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| 23:34 | if you can't figure it out in the next little while, see if there are any bug reports :)
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| 23:34 | gf is calling me to bed.. bbiab
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| 23:37 | <sbalneav> Figured it out. I have to click on "Manually manage this ipod"
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| 23:37 | playing now.
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| 23:43 | <sbalneav> Whoohoo, "Another Man's Gain" by Zappacosta
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| 23:44 | * sbalneav dances like those people in the iPod ads | |
| 23:45 | <sbalneav> I like this little mac mini, and the iPod was great this summer at the cottage...
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| 23:46 | But I know those ads with the "shadow people" dancing with the headphones are a complete lie
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| 23:46 | BECAUSE I CAN NEVER GET THE STUPID THINGS TO STAY IN MY EARS!!!!1111oneone
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| 23:47 | I've never had a set of bud earphones that fit my ears so badly.
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| 23:49 | "Tara" from Avalon by Roxy Music is just such a nice piece of music.
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| 23:55 | LOL, top works
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| 23:56 | My openoffice install hung up. Opened a terminal window and kill -9'd it.
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| 23:56 | Somewhere, Steve Jobs is facepalming
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| 23:59 | Oooh, and VIM 7's installed.
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