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Channel log from 21 March 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:39 | <alkisg> mgariepy: did you test 030-artwork? There seems to be an old typo in there...
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| 06:39 | for cdd in ed x k; do
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| 06:40 | chroot $ROOT apt-get $APT_GET_OPTS install ldm-${ccd}ubuntu-theme
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| 06:40 | So it's always installing the ubuntu theme, since ccd is empty
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| 08:20 | <mcfloppy> hello
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| 08:21 | my first client is running... many thanks to alkisg and vagrantc...
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| 08:21 | ;)
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| 09:25 | <mcfloppy> when i use fat-clients, so the root is the client image root? must i install kde in the chroot or how it works?
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| 09:33 | <dobber> you must install it in chroot, yes
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| 09:34 | <mcfloppy> ok... so i need much more space for the image?
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| 09:34 | i am glad i have lvm ;)
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| 09:36 | <dobber> yes it will be bigger
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| 09:36 | my image is 1.5gb
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| 09:37 | <mcfloppy> okay...
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| 09:37 | i have now space for 6GB
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| 09:38 | <dobber> i mean, chroot is 4.5 gb, but when i create the squashfs image - it is 1.5gb
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| 09:38 | <mcfloppy> oh okay... i think i boot the chroot...
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| 09:38 | i have no squashfs
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| 09:38 | (i think so)
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| 09:39 | <dobber> ltsp-update-image creates it for you
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> mcfloppy: ubuntu or debian?
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| 09:39 | <mcfloppy> debian
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> If you run ltsp-update-image, it'll switch you to nbd
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| 09:39 | <mcfloppy> oh alkisg is online ;)
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| 09:39 | [09:21:23] <mcfloppy> my first client is running... many thanks to alkisg and vagrantc...
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| 09:39 | <alkisg> So don't do it if you don't want to switch to nbd
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| 09:40 | :)
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| 09:40 | NBD is more than 5 times faster than NFS, but it requires running ltsp-update-image on each chroot change
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| 09:40 | Ubuntu defaults to NBD, while Debian to NFS
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| 09:41 | <mcfloppy> okay... so i can try and testing till its perfect and then i can run ltsp-update-image?
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| 09:41 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 09:42 | <mcfloppy> where are the user information, logins and data stored? on the host os or on the client image?
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> Server /home
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| 09:42 | And server /etc/passwd etc
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| 09:42 | <mcfloppy> okay.. so i can use fat and thin clients in the same environment?
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| 09:43 | great... i love it ;)
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| 09:43 | <alkisg> Sure, you only need to do LTSP_FATCLIENT=False in lts.conf
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| 09:43 | A fat chroot can serve both fat and thin clients, you don't need a second one
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| 09:43 | <dobber> i have a dual boot with fat and thin clients
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| 09:43 | but i'm gonna ditch the fat client this week. too much random problems
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> There's even code to automatically boot low-ram clients as thin, without setting anything in lts.conf
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| 09:44 | dobber: what problems?
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| 09:44 | <dobber> thunderbird random crashes, skype random crashes
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| 09:44 | and all of them are too hard and too random to debug
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| 09:44 | <mcfloppy> alkisg: okay.. but at this time i need no thin client boot... i have only fat client hardware (atom 1.6 + 1g ram)
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> dobber: Are you using sshfs or nfs?
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| 09:45 | <dobber> sshfs
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| 09:45 | alkisg: that's what i think is the main problem, but i'm not sure how to debug it
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> Maybe they have problems with sshfs, we're using nfs here, didn't have any problems with any apps at all
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| 09:45 | <dobber> the ssh tunel
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> dobber: just try with nfs, if it crashes there too then it's not an ltsp problem
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| 09:46 | <dobber> alkisg: the funny thing is that i have 10 clients and only 3-4 clients have problems and all of them are different ;(
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| 09:46 | <mcfloppy> alkisg: comes the sshfs with the change to squashfs? or can i do update-image without any fear?
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> dobber: then I'd suggest that you try a local installation (usb disk if no local disk present) and verify that it's a generic linux/thunderbird/skype problem with that hardware, not an ltsp-specific one :)
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| 09:47 | <dobber> i'll give it a try with nfs
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> For graphics drivers, sometimes nomodeset (disabling kms) helps
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| 09:47 | In other times, newer kernel versions help too
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| 09:47 | But in most cases the problems aren't ltsp specific
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| 09:48 | mcfloppy: you're already using sshfs for /home
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| 09:48 | That's the default for debian too
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| 09:48 | <mcfloppy> oh okay... ;)
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| 09:49 | so should i change it? at the moment this is a test system... the old server supports still the users
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> mcfloppy: read the ubuntu fatclients page to learn if/why you might want to switch to nfs home
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| 09:49 | !fatclients
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| 09:49 | <ltsp> alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 09:50 | <mcfloppy> thank you
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| 09:51 | i have another question: is there a way to store the users desktop like a normal desktop in hibernate/standby mode and login to another client and see everything like it was on the other station?
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| 09:53 | <dobber> alkisg: is there a doc that describes switching from sshfs to nfs ?
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| 09:53 | <alkisg> dobber: the fatclients page above
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| 09:53 | mcfloppy: not with plain ltsp, see x2go
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| 09:54 | dobber: but if thunderbird crashes on only some of your machines, then it's not a filesystem problem
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| 09:54 | It's either a module problem (bad graphics drivers etc), or a networking problem
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| 09:54 | <dobber> probably the first
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 09:54 | So try a kernel update, or disabling kms, etc
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| 09:55 | <dobber> i know this, but the co-workers are getting pissed and they are switching back to thin clients setup
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| 09:55 | witch works perfectly
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| 09:55 | <elias_a> This might a bit offtopic but thise makes certain that Linux desktop is not dead. Quite the contrary: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/android-and-linux-re-merge-into-one-operating-system/10625
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> dobber: sure, if you have no problems with thin clients then there's no reason to switch to fat. People want fat for multimedia apps, e.g. full screen youtube or skype, if you don't want those then there's no reason to go fat
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| 09:57 | <dobber> alkisg: the main reason to switch was that the thin setup is 3 years old
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| 09:57 | so i created the oneiric fat client
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| 09:57 | <mcfloppy> hmm okay... i have now installed kdebase in the chroot.. but when i boot a fat client the screen blinks 3 times after login in LDM and then ldm is shown again
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| 09:57 | <dobber> i'm starting to think of reinstalling my server now
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| 10:32 | <Bauwe> hi people ... (first time here) ... I'm looking for some advise on buying a server ... I have a options with a raid solution but wonder if it's needed
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| 10:36 | <dobber> it's much better with raid
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| 10:36 | it's not "needed"
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| 10:37 | <Bauwe> hi dobber...thought so...options here are a raid 5 server....or a u1 with just two hd's
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| 10:38 | <dobber> well every setup is uniq in terms of requirements
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| 10:38 | you can go with raid1 with the two disks too
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| 10:38 | <Bauwe> concern is....is raid easy to setup...?...u1 looks better (it's also about to impress a classroom) u1 is slightly more modern...but 2 hd's
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| 10:39 | <dobber> i consider raid setup an easy task for junior system administrator
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| 10:41 | <Hyperbyte> Bauwe, you could always configure two harddisks with software RAID.
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| 10:43 | <Deaconf19> anyone up
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| 10:44 | <Bauwe> yes...raid 5 with hotswappable hd's would be cool....u1 looks slim and modern....but class needs to know about "server" in general (and be amazed with ltsp)
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| 10:44 | <Deaconf19> I have 3 questions
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| 10:44 | easy
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| 10:45 | how many clients can LTSP handle?
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> Thin? Fat? Server cpu? Network speed? etc etc
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| 10:46 | From 1 to 10.000
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| 10:46 | <Deaconf19> 10,000 is max?
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| 10:47 | <dobber> alkisg: when booting I get "Running /scripts/nfs-premount... done : Permission denied"
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> Well you could also go to 100.000 but if you don't state your server network etc specs it won't help :)
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| 10:47 | <dobber> or smth like that
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| 10:47 | then after a few tries i get to a busybox prompt with no such scripts in /scripts/
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| 10:47 | <Deaconf19> I have an ESX cluster 10 servers each server has 256GB RAM and 16 logical CPU
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| 10:48 | network is 10GB
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> Deaconf19: and also your expected client usage, it's another thing if you want kiosks and another if you want to have full screen flash video in thin clients
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| 10:48 | <Deaconf19> perfect thanks
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> A kiosk e.g. needs 1 mbps of network bandwidth, while an HD video playing on a thin client more than 1 Gbps
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| 10:49 | <Deaconf19> Ok perfect thanks for the answer
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> So to answer your question, more info is needed
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| 10:49 | <Deaconf19> I just needed a general answer
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> There's no general answer
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| 10:49 | <Deaconf19> as long as it is more than 10
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| 10:49 | <alkisg> With 100 mbps network you can't even serve 1 HD video to a single client
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| 10:49 | <dobber> i have 10 with just one tiny server, compared to your setup
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| 10:50 | <Deaconf19> Cool
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| 10:50 | <dobber> and i have no hd video :)
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| 10:50 | <Deaconf19> 2nd question, During the PXE process how do I hide the pxe messages with a splash image?
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| 10:50 | <sep> Deaconf19, ltsp istelf have no limit (afaik), the limit will be the network, the amount of ram on a server, the amount of cpu on a server (or number of servers) if you shard your network and servers i think you can grow as far as your money can take you :)
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| 10:51 | <alkisg> dobber: ubuntu? which version?
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| 10:51 | <Deaconf19> sep thanks my network is all new from hardware to backbone
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| 10:51 | <dobber> alkisg: server is lucid, fat client is oneiric
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| 10:51 | <sep> Deaconf19, pxemessages are from the pxe bios of the machine? so that would be machine spesific
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| 10:52 | <Deaconf19> sep, correct
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| 10:52 | it shows loading /i386/pxelinux/
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| 10:52 | when I add the vesamenu.c32 it does not show this
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| 10:52 | <sep> Deaconf19, unless the bios of the machine have a splash screen you can not hide those with ltsp
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| 10:53 | <Deaconf19> sep, thanks
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| 10:53 | <alkisg> dobber: there's no ltsp script in nfs-premount... is that permission denied message fatal? or the client boots after that?
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| 10:53 | <Deaconf19> 3rd question how do i change the thin client image boot screen image form Ubuntu to a custom picutre?
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| 10:54 | <dobber> it is looping on it over and over
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> Deaconf19: about hiding the menus, ask in #syslinux
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| 10:54 | <Deaconf19> ok thanks
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> You can either use vesa menu or add some "quiet" option to pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 10:54 | Deaconf19: about the plymouth boot screen, ask in #ubuntu (or just google it)
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| 10:55 | None of those questions are ltsp-specific
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| 10:55 | <Deaconf19> oh ok I thought they were,
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| 10:55 | <dobber> alkisg: i missed a configuration line from the docs, my bad
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| 10:55 | <Deaconf19> I am familiar with PXE in Altiris and it handles all that information
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| 10:55 | thanks for the help
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| 10:55 | <alkisg> dobber: eh, I don't suppose you switched to nfs for booting, did you?
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| 10:56 | <dobber> i'm trying now and fixing problems
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> Why?
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| 10:56 | <dobber> not for booting
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| 10:56 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS -> Reverting to NFS if you want to
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| 10:56 | this configuration
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> That's for booting
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| 10:56 | <dobber> ouch
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> Don't do that, you'll mess up your system
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| 10:57 | <dobber> ok i'm reverting
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| 11:04 | <dobber> so i don't get it. what do i need to change ?
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> See the nfs_home paragraph in the fatclients page
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| 11:05 | !fatclients
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| 11:05 | <ltsp> alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 11:05 | <alkisg> bbl
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| 11:05 | <Bauwe> Hyperbyte: and @dobber ... ok if there is choice between this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_AHTOMmtFM and a more modern u1 with just 2 hd's (and slighly more expensive) what would be the vote?
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| 11:06 | <dobber> are there any specs ?
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| 11:06 | this is just a chassis
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| 11:07 | <sep> Bauwe, you can get 1u machines with atleast 4 harddrives tho
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| 11:11 | <Bauwe> dobber: It's more like an example i have found on youtube...the thing is I'm on the secondhand market...not even sure if such machine is old scrap
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| 11:12 | sep: option 2 is a u1 with 2 hd's (and a tight budget:)
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| 11:12 | <dobber> then - take whatever
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| 11:12 | if your choice is only on how it looks it does not matter much
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| 11:13 | <Bauwe> dobber: hahhaha...thats why i came here
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| 11:13 | <dobber> well ok then, describe your specific use of the servers
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| 11:13 | then describe the specs of the servers
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| 11:13 | so we can choose
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| 11:14 | <Bauwe> imagine student playing with an old pentium4 as server...(and some thinclient from a recycle store)....they want ltsp and also try out stuff like internetcafe's
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| 11:14 | ...
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| 11:15 | at least it needs to be a better server....it needs to impress ....and there must be some success on using it...
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| 11:16 | so a rackserver....on a table with a switch would do...it needs to be fun and not only make noise
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| 11:18 | the hotswap stuff is fun...but focus needs to be on ltsp
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| 11:19 | <dobber> get the bigger server then
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| 11:19 | more tweaks means more show
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| 11:20 | <Bauwe> yeah...more "duplo"
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| 12:03 | <mcfloppy> hmm my fat clients doesnt boot any more... after i installed kdebase in the image, they hang on: "Starting Hardware abstraction layer: hald"
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| 13:01 | <mgariepy> alkisg, thanks for fixing the ldm-theme ;)
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> mgariepy: it needs more fixing, to take into account FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOPS
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| 13:02 | I'll do it later on
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| 13:02 | :)
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| 13:28 | <Bauwe> dobber: specs of option one (the big box) : PROLIANT DL380 G3 2X XEON 3.2 GHZ, 4GB 4X36GB
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| 14:21 | ok I'm off...thanks for the chats people!
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| 14:49 | <veloutin> alkisg: what are you playing with?
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| 14:49 | <alkisg> veloutin: www.epoptes.org, currently implementing the remote assistance dialog without zenity
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| 14:50 | And, in the case someone needs to run it from a local shell on a thin client, it should just spawn socat instead of showing a gtk ui
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| 14:51 | Something like: import os; os.execl('/bin/sh', 'sh', '-c', """socat tcp:localhost:25547 SYSTEM:"sleep 1; screen -xRR ra$$",pty,stderr & screen -S ra$$""") ==> otherwise show the full gtk ui
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| 14:51 | !socat
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| 14:51 | <ltsp> alkisg: socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
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| 15:14 | <bieb> how do I reset a user's profile in ltsp? firefox will not open for her.. then second time she tries to open it, it tells her it is already running.
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| 15:14 | <Hyperbyte> It's probably still running
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| 15:14 | ps aux | grep firefox | grep <username>
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| 15:14 | Oh, sorry - I misread
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| 15:14 | You mean it freezes during startup
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| 15:14 | <bieb> I did a skill on her processes
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| 15:15 | <Hyperbyte> Firefox settings are stored in ~/.mozilla/firefox/
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| 15:15 | <bieb> it gives the timer like it is opening.. then just goes away.. never opens FF
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| 15:17 | should I just remove profiles.ini in %user%/.mozilla/firefox?
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| 15:24 | <bieb> Hyperbyte: just remove the profiles.ini and have her re-launch?
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| 15:26 | <Hyperbyte> bieb, I have no idea -why- Firefox is crashing on startup
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| 15:26 | I'm just saying, it's somewhere in /home/<user>/.mozilla/firefox/
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| 15:26 | <bieb> Hyperbyte: and it is only for her
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| 15:26 | <Hyperbyte> If she doesn't mind her bookmarks, Firefox settings, stored passwords, etc, disappearing, you could remove the entire ~/.mozilla/firefox/ dir and relaunch Firefox, then it's clean slate.
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| 15:26 | Else dig in and find the cause.
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| 15:27 | <bieb> ok
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| 15:27 | thanks
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> bieb: it's not LTSP related, so you could also ask in #ubuntu or wherever else you want. But is it crashing on startup, or only on the second try?
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| 15:28 | <bieb> startup
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| 15:28 | <alkisg> What do you see if you run it from a console?
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| 15:28 | Any error messages there?
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| 15:28 | <bieb> I will try to lauch from command line see if that gives an error
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| 15:34 | <bieb> alkisg: she had to go to class.. so she will stop by after so I can check the issue...
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| 15:38 | <bieb> alkisg: have you seen any writeups on using ubuntu 11.xx as LTSP? I will probably be rebuilding my server this summer due to some hardware changes.. I have looked at 11.10 on the desktop and man it looks so different than 10.04
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> bieb: in the summer you should be installing 12.04, not 11.x
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| 15:39 | What do you mean "writeups"?
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| 15:39 | If you don't like unity or gnome-shell, there's gnome-fallback which looks like 10.04
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| 15:39 | <bieb> alkisg: writeups as in pros cons... things to watchout for.. etc
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| 15:39 | <alkisg> No, I haven't
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| 15:40 | I'm using 12.04 for 3 months now though
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| 15:40 | I failed to get used to unity or gnome-shell, so I'm using gnome-fallback
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| 15:40 | <bieb> yeah.. I am not sure I like unity
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> I'm pretty sure I don't; not only I find it counter-intuitive and counter-productive, but it also has major performance and stability issues
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| 15:41 | <bieb> are there many changes in the how-to install from v10.04?
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| 15:41 | <alkisg> Thin or fat clients?
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| 15:41 | <bieb> thin
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> No, it should be mostly the same
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| 15:42 | <bieb> cool
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| 15:42 | <highvoltage> I tried gnome-shell again this morning and with the extensions from the extensions website it's very good. to the point where I'll probably use it instead of gnome-fallback from now on.
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| 15:42 | (the window list plugin is probably the most useful already)
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> Gnome-shell is ok, performance-wise, but it too has lots of stability issues in my intel graphics card :(
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| 15:43 | I just hope when most of them are fixed, they'll be backported to 12.04
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| 15:44 | highvoltage: any news on the lubuntu ldm theme? Will it make it for precise?
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| 15:44 | I think that the code I submitted this morning will automatically install it, if one uses a lubuntu server...
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| 15:44 | (if it's available, of course)
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| 16:13 | <highvoltage> alkisg: I'll check it in a few mins
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> ty
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| 17:14 | <LuizAngioletti> Hello andygraybeal
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| 17:14 | I've got sad news today...
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| 17:14 | I'm moving away from LTSP. =/
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| 17:15 | I didn't want to... but I do have to. =/
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| 17:24 | <rthomson> LuizAngioletti: care to share the story?
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| 17:25 | <LuizAngioletti> rthomson: nothign LTSP related. I'm changing jobs
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| 17:25 | the folks around here are going to continue using LTSP. But they don't know English enough to be around here, talking to you guys. =)
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| 17:26 | <rthomson> Ah, ok.
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| 17:27 | I was expecting some kind of technical story for why you had to move infrastructure off LTSP and onto something else.
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| 17:27 | <LuizAngioletti> rthomson: =)
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> !seen vagrantc
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| 18:52 | <ltsp> alkisg: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 22 hours, 59 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <vagrantc> although maybe .d dirs could be assembled at build time rather than runtime.
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| 19:05 | <Llama_be> what could be the difference between a virtual machine booting from network, or a physical machine?
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> What's the observed difference?
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| 19:06 | <Llama_be> virtual boots perfectly
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| 19:06 | physical errors: your real /dev is missing files required to boot (console and null).
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> ...while the physical one does what?
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| 19:06 | Ah
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| 19:07 | <Llama_be> i'll take a picture for the whole screen :)
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> Race conditions come to mind...
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| 19:08 | <Llama_be> I also see Booting (initramfs).mount: mounting /dev on /newroot/dev failed: No such file or directory
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| 19:11 | and it's not just one physical machine
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| 19:11 | i've tried three, all have the same issue
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| 19:13 | <Llama_be> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EGNZKuV2bCY/T2ooMFGoHoI/AAAAAAAABrI/fiMFSLMoYss/s903/IMG_20120321_200718.jpg
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> Llama_be: the udhcpc message is the important one
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| 19:14 | You're missing network modules
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| 19:16 | <Llama_be> I thought with genkernel I'd have no trouble with things like network modules :(
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| 19:21 | ok, yes, changing the adaptor type in my virtual machine does enable me to reproduce it virtually :)
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| 19:22 | now it's only a matter of finding a solution :-p
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| 19:29 | <muppis> Llama_be, propably gentoo is using same modules in kernel than Ubuntu, and there were lot of problems with cards using tg3 module. I've read that most of them is caused by using incorrect MTU which causes connection interrupt in some cases.
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| 19:30 | <muppis> No experience by my self, though.
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| 19:31 | <Llama_be> muppis: I think I have found that only the e1000 card module is loaded on boot
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| 19:31 | so it might be a different problem altogether ;)
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| 19:31 | <muppis> :D
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| 19:31 | At your screenshot I can barely see line: Scanning for tg3...libphy, tg3 loaded.
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| 19:33 | <knipwim> Llama_be: i think the default genkernel modules are defined here: /usr/share/genkernel/defaults/modules_load
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| 19:36 | <Llama_be> knipwim: MODULES_NET="e1000 tg3"
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| 19:36 | <knipwim> i think those are the ones loaded into the initramfs
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| 19:36 | <Llama_be> shouldn't there be a lot more there?
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| 19:36 | <knipwim> but don't pin me down on that one
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| 19:36 | it's been a long time since i used genkernel for non default stuff
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| 19:36 | <Llama_be> I mean, if we're going to boot from network, it should include more network cards there, no? :)
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| 19:37 | <knipwim> you mean for the ltsp install?
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| 19:37 | <Llama_be> i'm tryng to find which module I'd need on the client I want, to see if I can get it to work :)
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| 19:38 | yes, in the kernel and initrd for the thin client
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| 19:38 | <knipwim> you can boot the thin client with a live cd or something
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| 19:38 | and do an lspci to see which card you have
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| 19:39 | <muppis> And which module it uses.
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| 19:39 | <Llama_be> I have an lsmod for the system now, still can't figure out which one is the network module :)
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| 19:39 | it's an nvidia MCP61 network card
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| 19:39 | <muppis> Llama_be, put in pastebin.
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| 19:40 | shpchp
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| 19:40 | My server has same nic and uses that module for it.
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 Ethernet
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| 19:41 | <muppis> Sorry.. That was pci bridge.
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| 19:42 | <Llama_be> alkisg: thanks for the command, didn't know those params
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| 19:42 | it's foredeth apparently
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| 19:43 | <muppis> forcedeth (missed c)
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| 19:43 | <Llama_be> yes, indeed ;)
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| 19:44 | but knipwim, if I put it in /usr/share/genkernel/defaults/modules_load, then I'd have to rebuild with genkernel I believe?
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| 19:44 | because the module IS built
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| 19:46 | <knipwim> i tought the file is to make sure the module ends up in the initramfs
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| 19:46 | but perhaps it's not needed
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| 19:46 | <Llama_be> I've started an genkernel all in the chroot anyway
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| 19:46 | will take a while probably though :(
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| 19:47 | <knipwim> you edited the modules_load?
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| 19:47 | <Llama_be> or not, failing quite fast
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> If your initrd is in cpio format, just uncompress it and check if the modules are there
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| 19:48 | <Llama_be> alkisg: nope, it's not in initrd
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| 19:49 | the genkernel all command fails, something to do with compiling for i686 while the server is on x86_64
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| 19:54 | <knipwim> you're chrooted now?
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| 19:55 | <Llama_be> yes
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| 19:56 | <knipwim> you could try to exit
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| 19:57 | and do a manual linux32 chroot
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| 19:57 | the installer also prepends chroot with linux32
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| 19:58 | <Llama_be> is that simply prepending my chroot command with linux32/
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| 19:59 | <knipwim> just linux32, no slash
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| 19:59 | it's a command
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| 20:00 | <Llama_be> sorry, the slash was meant to be a question mark
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| 20:00 | genkernel running again
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| 20:22 | <Llama_be> knipwim: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177580#c14
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| 20:24 | <knipwim> nice :)
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| 20:24 | i already made a note in my todo list
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| 20:25 | <Llama_be> my genkernel just finished, rebooting now...
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| 20:25 | not working
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| 20:25 | <knipwim> you used the default genkernel?
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| 20:25 | or one with the modules_load edited
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| 20:26 | <Llama_be> i modified modules_load, then ran genkernel all
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| 20:27 | <knipwim> you copied the generated initramfs and kernel? (just checking)
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| 20:27 | <Llama_be> ltsp-update-kernels does that for me, right?
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| 20:28 | <knipwim> it should
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| 20:28 | but i never use it
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| 20:28 | so i can't confirm
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| 20:28 | <Llama_be> time in /var/lib/tftpboot seems correct, so should be :)
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| 20:28 | <knipwim> check the timestamps of the files in your tftproot
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| 20:28 | :)
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| 20:29 | <Llama_be> and the module is not in the initrd
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| 20:29 | <knipwim> than i don't know :(
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| 20:29 | but i'm sure someone in #gentoo will know
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| 20:30 | <Llama_be> ofcourse, there's also /usr/share/genkernel/arch/x86/modules_load
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| 20:30 | probably should change it there
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> stgraber, highvoltage: ...somehow I managed to move the "preferences" button in ldm by dragging it with the mouse... but I can't reproduce it... I wonder if wwm has some keysyms for that, that we need to disable
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| 20:40 | <highvoltage> alkisg: hold in the alt button while dragging it
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| 20:40 | alkisg: you can do the same with the username/password dialog
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> I wonder how I did it with my vbox client, the alt key is catched by the host system :-/
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| 20:45 | <stgraber> highvoltage: that shouldn't work with current ldm
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| 20:45 | <stgraber> (as in, the one from up to date 12.04)
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| 20:45 | as all the keyboard handling code has been dropped
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| 20:46 | <highvoltage> stgraber: when was that uploaded? I could do it with a fresh ltsp installation that I think mgariepy installed yesterday
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| 20:47 | <stgraber> highvoltage: last week, you need ldm 2.2.7-1
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| 20:47 | though maybe the alt key comes from something else than the shortcuts ;)
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> stgraber: I've reproduced it with 2:2.2.7-1
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| 20:48 | But probably not with the alt key but somehow else
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| 20:48 | <highvoltage> stgraber: that's what's installed
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| 20:49 | (I was telling mgariepy yesterday that I was glad to see it because it's the last 'fun' ldm feature that still exists :p)
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| 20:50 | <alkisg> An lts.conf option to bring back all the fun would be nice :P
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| 20:52 | <highvoltage> yeah especially for the root terminal one
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| 20:52 | (I wish I knew about that one before)
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| 20:52 | <stgraber> highvoltage: based on the code, you shouldn't even need alt
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| 20:52 | <muppis> That was actually quite useful.
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| 20:53 | The root terminal.
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| 20:53 | <highvoltage> stgraber: on the thin client though, it only works when I press either alt button
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| 20:54 | <stgraber> highvoltage: fixed, 1421
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| 20:54 | the fact that you need alt is probably a gtk thing, the code doesn't check for a key press, that's why I didn't see it in last week's cleanup
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| 20:58 | <Llama_be> knipwim: adding the module to /usr/share/genkernel/arch/x86/modules_load and running genkernel all did the trick
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| 21:00 | but it seems to me that that file can be swapped out for something completely different. I mean, it is trying to load a lot of modules for raid and other disk access, which we shouldn't need, and could do with all common network card modules instead
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| 21:10 | <Llama_be> the scsi modules directory is 2.7M unpacked in the initrd. the complete drivers/net/ethernet directory is 3.8M. So if most other stuff is thrown out, initrd size would stay roughly the same, but would work a lot better for ltsp :)
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| 21:12 | <alkisg> Epoptes 0.5.0 is published in https://launchpad.net/~epoptes/+archive/proposed, testers welcome :)
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| 21:20 | <knipwim> Llama_be: a template modules_load would do the trick
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| 21:20 | <knipwim> added with any net modules from the initramfs
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| 21:20 | <Llama_be> and now ofcourse you are looking at me to provide one? :-p
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| 21:23 | <knipwim> i'm thinking only the # Hardware (Pluggable) stuff and MODULES_FS="nfs"
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| 21:24 | we could write that in the quickstart profile
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| 21:25 | <Llama_be> and ofcourse all network card modules ;)
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| 21:25 | <knipwim> all of them?
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| 21:25 | just the ones that are in the kernel right?
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| 21:26 | <Llama_be> all that are compiled, yes?
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| 21:26 | <knipwim> yes
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| 21:27 | <Llama_be> trying to see if I can create a quick list of them all
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| 21:28 | will then recompile again, seeing if everything still works
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| 21:28 | and send you the file I used
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| 21:29 | <knipwim> kk
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| 21:29 | <knipwim> i probably don't have a lot of time to look at it
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| 21:29 | but i'll try
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| 21:30 | btw, my initramfs has no network modules
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| 21:32 | <Llama_be> how do you mount remote fs then?
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| 21:32 | <knipwim> it just works :)
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| 21:32 | i do have the drivers in the kernel
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| 21:33 | <Llama_be> ah yes, that also works ofcourse :)
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| 21:33 | if you compile it as a monolithic kernel, you don't need the modules
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| 21:34 | but as genkernel builds it as modules by default, we might not want to change too much about that
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| 21:35 | would also be bad form to compile all different network drivers into the kernel, for every feasable ltsp client
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| 21:35 | I'm running the genkernel rebuild now, it will again take a while, but I'm also going afk for about an hour
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| 21:36 | <knipwim> then i'm in bed already :)
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| 21:36 | talk to you tomorrow then
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| 21:37 | <Llama_be> i'll say my results here anyway, then if you have the time, you could read the logs ;)
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| 22:43 | <Llama_be> knipwim: http://pastebin.com/rUq8nQqG
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| 22:43 | that file worked for me
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