IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 29 August 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:21 | <hammommah_> on ubuntu 12.04.1 where are log files stored for thin client logins?
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| 08:21 | <Hyperbyte> hammommah_, not sure if you read logs, but it's /var/log/auth.log on the server. Thin clients use SSH to log in, and SSH logins are logged there.
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| 11:03 | <mealstrom> hi everyone
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| 11:06 | about stories at ltsp.org. Maybe it would be useful to add zoom on map when clicking on diagram ?
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| 11:19 | <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, you can click to the view the details of the story. That will zoom to the specific location.
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| 11:23 | <mealstrom> Hyperbyte: ah, nevermind. I've checked India -- > it has 4 stories. but its hard to find 4-th one on the map
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| 11:23 | <Hyperbyte> They're the same location. :)
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| 11:23 | Just different showroom. :)
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| 11:23 | Regular Google Maps has some feature that 'expands' pins at the same location, not sure how that would be accomplished here
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| 11:24 | <mealstrom> Hyperbyte: what school is that? im interested )
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| 11:25 | <Hyperbyte> Two schools in India:
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| 11:25 | http://www.ltsp.org/stories/viewstory/?story_id=14&secret=7c26f4
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| 11:25 | http://www.ltsp.org/stories/viewstory/?story_id=12&secret=481a97
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| 11:26 | And the showrooms (looks like a car dealership):
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| 11:26 | http://www.ltsp.org/stories/viewstory/?story_id=13&secret=deccb2
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| 11:26 | But cyberorg hasn't provided additional info. ;-)
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| 11:27 | <mealstrom> huh, )
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| 14:15 | <knobo> alkisg: do you have the ltsp-chroot for debian-edu lenny? Or is it squeeze only?
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> knobo: I'm not using debian-edu, no idea
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| 14:15 | If noone else answers, try in e.g. 10 hours when vagrantc will be around
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| 14:18 | <knobo> alkisg: how about just debian lenny, then?
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| 14:18 | <alkisg> knobo: I'm not using debian lenny either... Why are you asking specifically me?
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| 14:18 | Why not address to the channel instead? E.g. "does anyone know if..."
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| 14:19 | <knobo> I thought you migt be Alkis Georgopoulos <alkisg@gmail.com>
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> Yes, I am, so?
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| 14:19 | <knobo> which I found in the ltsp-chroot file.
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| 14:19 | <alkisg> True, but still I'm not using debian lenny :)
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| 14:20 | <knobo> and the script could work on most dists, you think?
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> It's possible that vagrantc uploaded it to lenny-backports
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| 14:21 | <knobo> ok.
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> I think the current versions of this script depend on some function that reside on "libraries", external text files
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> So you can't just copy it and expect it to work, you'd need to copy its "libraries" as well
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| 14:22 | If it's not in lenny-backports, just run any chroot commands that you want manually
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| 14:23 | <knobo> ok, thanx for the help :)
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| 14:24 | <ltspuser_74> Hi
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> Hello
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| 14:24 | <Hyperbyte> Hey
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| 14:24 | :)
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| 14:25 | <ltspuser_74> I trying to change the umask from 022 to 002, but i can't do this. I modified /etc/profile, /etc/pam.d/login, $HOME/.bashrc, etc, on applications servers, and on the chroot image, but i couldn't succeed. Where can i change this ?
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| 14:25 | i'm using ltsp-cluster
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| 14:26 | (sorry for my english :P )
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| 14:26 | <Hyperbyte> Your English is pretty good I think. :)
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| 14:27 | <ltspuser_74> nice :D
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| 14:27 | <ogra_> definitely better than my finnish :)
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| 14:27 | or Hyperbyte'S mandarin i guess :)
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| 14:31 | <Hyperbyte> ogra_, I could say something clever now courtesy of Google Translate, but honestly I'd have to agree with you. :P
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| 14:32 | <ogra_> heh
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| 14:33 | <ltspuser_74> Does anybody know how can i change the default umask on the system? i think its related with a ldm config, because when i log-in via ssh the umask is set correctly (002), but from Desktop environment (X session) the umask is set to 022
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| 14:33 | <Hyperbyte> Unfortunately I don't know the answer to your question ltspuser_74... I think the problem is that /etc/profile only gets read for console session, and I think the /etc/pam.d/login is only for the SSH session to the server
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> ltspuser_74: what happens if you login directly to the server? or is it headless?
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| 14:34 | (graphically)
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| 14:34 | I do think that there was (is?) a bug about ldm not sourcing /etc/profile, though...
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| 14:35 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, how would that work with thin clients?
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: the X session is launched over the ssh login
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| 14:35 | <Hyperbyte> Yes, but isn't umask tied to the Gnome session and not the X session?
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| 14:36 | <ltspuser_74> Hyperbyte when i log-in via ssh the umask is set fine
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> The X session launches the gnome session
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| 14:36 | <Hyperbyte> ltspuser_74, what happens if you also modify /etc/profile in the thin client chroot?
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> ssh => login => pam => vars => bash => X session => gnome session
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| 14:36 | <Hyperbyte> E.g, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/profile
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> That would set root's umask on the client
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| 14:37 | You can set environment vars with CLIENT_ENVS="xxx" in lts.conf, let me check the exact name...
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| 14:37 | (05:33:59 μμ) alkisg: ltspuser_74: what happens if you login directly to the server? or is it headless?
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| 14:37 | <ltspuser_74> nice
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> Ah never mind, umask is not in an env var
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| 14:42 | <ltspuser_74> i'll try to modify /etc/profile on thin client chroot.... i'' come back soon :D
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| 14:44 | <Hyperbyte> ltspuser_74, easiest way - do it via /etc/xdg/autostart
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| 14:45 | Create a .desktop file that launches umask
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| 14:45 | I think that sets it for any graphical session ran on the server
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| 16:41 | <thebwt> is there a way to set up a specific video driver per mac address? We have both nvidia and AMD systems booting. I imagine this si more complex since the drivers change the same files at times.
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| 16:42 | <ogra_> yeah, you probably need to use dedictaed rootfs images
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| 16:42 | <thebwt> awesome...
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| 16:42 | Was hoping for some more lts.conf magic
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| 16:43 | <Hyperbyte> thebwt, sure there is lts.conf magic?
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| 16:43 | XSERVER
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| 16:43 | <ogra_> lts.conf wont help yu with the fact that fglrx as well as nvidia replace your GL libs
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| 16:43 | <thebwt> right
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| 16:43 | <Hyperbyte> ;o
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| 16:43 | <ogra_> (as you already mentioned)
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| 16:44 | <Hyperbyte> Well, very hack'ish maybe
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| 16:44 | But you could create two scripts that hack the drivers in
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| 16:44 | And call those with RCFILE maybe?
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| 16:45 | * ogra_ would just go with a second ltsp-build-client for one of them and "fix" the issue through assigning the right image based on MAC | |
| 16:45 | <thebwt> is there a simple way to keep the packages on each image synced?
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| 16:49 | <||cw> other than scripting a "chroot ... apt-get..." that applies it to each one?
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| 16:49 | <ogra_> you could use overlayfs and stack the different chroots in different ways ... but thats quite some effort
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| 16:50 | <Hyperbyte> mhm... I would still create some init script that hacks in the right files depending on hardware
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| 16:51 | <||cw> I've done that for touch screens that need 3rd party setups
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| 16:51 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/3MMicroTouchDriver
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| 16:51 | <ogra_> Hyperbyte, thats even more effort
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| 16:52 | Hyperbyte, you have to identify *all* the changes to the system in *both* packages and then script around them
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| 16:53 | *or* ... you could install the packages at boot time based on the device *before * X comes up ... the prob here is that both of them also ship kernel parts and require likely a reboot
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| 16:53 | (which would get you into an endless install loop)
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> It would be worth it though, to properly switch proprietary drivers in the runtime
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| 16:55 | I thought ubuntu had an effort for that, to allow nvidia drivers etc to be installed alongside other drivers
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| 16:55 | With some initramfs code, and some init-ltsp.d code, that could probably be handled...
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| 16:55 | <ogra_> alkisg, right, that works witzh xorg itself
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| 16:55 | <ogra_> alkisg, but not with fglrx
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| 16:56 | or better with fglrx and nvidia at the same time
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> Then one could just install all drivers in a chroot and have the best possible experience in its client
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| 16:56 | <ogra_> right
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> OK, but with init-ltsp.d I think we can handle moving files around
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| 16:56 | <ogra_> the prob here is that the drivers are binary and linked against certain paths of libe they ship themselves
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> We'd just have to invest some time to find out which ones they are, if config files are affected etc
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| 16:57 | <ogra_> *libs
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| 16:57 | oh, i dont say its unsolvable :)
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| 16:57 | but i say that its likely way to much effort for thebwt vs. just using two chroots and images
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> Although the best way to fix it would be in the packaging (might need some upstream proprietary help too) so that they respect netbooted systems, and don't mess with system libs...
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| 16:58 | <ogra_> hahaha
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| 16:58 | and what do you dream at night ?
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> :D
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| 16:58 | * ogra_ grins | |
| 16:59 | <alkisg> A new debubufedsuse distro :P
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| 16:59 | <ogra_> lol
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| 16:59 | <||cw> and unicorns
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| 16:59 | <ogra_> with greek as default language
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> Nah let's not be greedy there, it's enough to have it available in the installation cd without having to download it from the internet :D
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| 17:00 | Once all countries make greek their default language, then the distro can follow :D
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| 17:29 | <thebwt> lute
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| 17:29 | woops
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| 17:32 | <cliebow> should be WOOT
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