IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 22 September 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:46 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 02:45 | <jimjimovich> can someone tell me how to see the detailed text-based startup process instead of the pretty ubuntu screen on ltsp ubuntu 8.04?
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| 02:46 | it is freezing during startup and i'd like to see if i can get some clues as to why from the text-based startup info
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| 02:54 | <johnny> it's in the pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 02:54 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 02:55 | remove quiet, and splash
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| 02:59 | <jimjimovich> thanks :)
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| 04:57 | <gate_keeper_> does anyone here have some experience with openthinclient?
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| 06:27 | <gate_keeper_> ltsp.org is down ..
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| 06:27 | <ogra> gate_keeper_, not down, but the http root seems borked ... we're waiting for jammcq
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| 06:28 | <gate_keeper_> ok,thx
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| 06:47 | <davidj> anyone awake?
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| 06:49 | <jammcq> hey davidj
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| 06:50 | i'm just heading out the door. I'll be back online in about 45 mins
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| 06:50 | <davidj> jammcq: Wait!
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| 06:50 | <jammcq> I just saw your text msg
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| 06:51 | I'll look at it when I get to the office
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| 06:51 | <ogra> jammcq, ltsp.org is broken in case you didnt see it aet
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| 06:51 | <Nubae> hey does sdm still exist in ltsp 5?
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| 06:51 | <ogra> *yet
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| 06:51 | Nubae, nope
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| 06:51 | probably in etch
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| 06:51 | but that might be the last distro having it
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| 06:51 | <Nubae> ok, out of docs it comes... its in edubuntu handbook
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| 06:51 | <ogra> great
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| 06:51 | ldm has all the features sdm had
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| 06:53 | <jammcq> ogra: yeah, appears to have been hacked
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| 06:53 | <ogra> ouch
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| 06:53 | <jammcq> i'm gonna shut it down, and deal with it when I get to the office
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| 06:53 | <ogra> good
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| 06:53 | <Nubae> I added something about green IT in the introduction... I wrote that thin client setups save up to 10 times on electricity... is that a fair assumption, or am I way off?
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| 06:53 | * ogra hopes it wasnt running gutsy without security updates | |
| 06:54 | <jammcq> dapper
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| 06:54 | <ogra> unattended-updates is a very valuable thing
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| 06:54 | <jammcq> with updates
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| 06:54 | <ogra> hmm
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| 06:54 | <jammcq> anyway, I'll deal with it at the office
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| 06:54 | <ogra> well, twiki isnt the safest thing either
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| 06:54 | yeah, bye
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| 06:56 | <davidj> ogra: ltsp.org tried to run a local php script when I looked at it.
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| 06:56 | elinks didn't try to handle it, I don't know what Firefox might have done.
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| 07:00 | <Nubae> ^^ about my question above... how much energy saving does running a typical ltsp lab save?
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| 07:01 | <ogra> really depends on the clients
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| 07:01 | <Nubae> up to how mcuh
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| 07:01 | :-)
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| 07:01 | <ogra> you need to compare the power usage of the clients with the power usage of a common worksation
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| 07:02 | its really different for each client
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| 07:02 | <Nubae> right but if we give a best case scenario
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| 07:02 | or give a high and low value
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| 07:02 | <ogra> really, no idea
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| 07:03 | "some" ... up to "a lot"
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| 07:03 | :P
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| 07:03 | <Nubae> sure IT managers will love that :-)
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| 07:03 | <ogra> heh
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| 07:03 | <cyberorg> Nubae, green computing part would be we help recycle old PC or delay their ending up in recycle bin in first place
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| 07:03 | <ogra> i know highvoltage did some statistics in the past ... not sure that included power usage
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| 07:03 | <Nubae> yeah that I already put
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| 07:04 | <highvoltage> nope, didn't include power usage
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| 07:04 | <Nubae> but wanted to put something about carbon emissions too... since its such a current global warming topic
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| 07:04 | <ogra> Nubae, http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/technologies/ltsp
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| 07:04 | Recent studies have shown that using diskless Thin Clients in office environments saves on average around 50% of your power costs.
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| 07:04 | <cyberorg> Nubae, we save hdd spinning, and cpu cycles on the TC, one of the more power consuming part
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| 07:04 | <ogra> http://it.umsicht.fraunhofer.de/TCecology/index_en.html
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| 07:04 | <Nubae> ok, the umsicht review
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| 07:05 | <ogra> you can link that study
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| 07:05 | <Nubae> saw that... I'll mention it+
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| 07:05 | openthinclient.org links to that too
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| 07:05 | <ogra> so pick their value as i did in the marketing doc on ubuntu.com
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| 07:05 | <Nubae> java based thin clients lol
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| 07:33 | <Nubae> is there a page about fail over loadbalancing that isn't ubuntu specific?
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| 07:33 | <ogra> i dont think so
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| 07:33 | and you likely need one per distro
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| 07:34 | <Nubae> maybe its out of the scope of the document, what do u think?
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| 07:34 | <ogra> well, point out tht docs for it exist ...
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| 07:34 | <Nubae> ok
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| 07:34 | <ogra> provbably even link to them
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| 07:34 | so other distros can add their bits
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| 07:35 | <Nubae> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDHCPload-balancingFailover
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| 07:35 | thats the one thats in there right now
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| 07:36 | <Nubae> Seems David Trask wrote something a while back, but pdf isnt online anymore
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| 07:40 | <ogra> i think its the same
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| 07:41 | <Nubae> yeah seems to be pretty distro non specific, but wonder if it works for Hardy and Intrepid?
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| 07:41 | and any other modern distro for that matter
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| 08:26 | <cyberorg> http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/09/22/first-impressions-of-opensuse-ltsp-5-05/ :)
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| 08:30 | <ogra> cyberorg, dont let warren see that you call it ltsp-5
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| 08:31 | <cyberorg> ogra, there is no way out, calling it kiwi-ltsp or ltsp5, can't please warren :D
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| 08:31 | * ogra is slightly upset that localapps is promoted as production ready there | |
| 08:32 | <ogra> cyberorg, well, kiwi-ltsp would be better
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| 08:32 | <cyberorg> not on the page it links http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Localapps
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| 08:32 | <ogra> ah, good
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| 08:34 | <highvoltage> ogra: how is localapps these days? I tried to got it going yesterday (only had an hour or so to look at it), but couldn't get it running
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| 08:34 | <nubae> ogra: I can confirm asmo's usb reading problem on alpha6
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| 08:34 | <Gadi> kudos, cyberorg
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| 08:34 | <cyberorg> Gadi, thanks, it is all your hard work :)
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| 08:34 | <ogra> highvoltage, its experimental and only the infrastructure is in place
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| 08:34 | <highvoltage> ogra: ah, ok
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| 08:34 | <ogra> though it should work
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| 08:35 | usign the script from the examples dir on the ltsp-server dosc
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| 08:35 | *docs
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| 08:35 | <cyberorg> Gadi, sorry i haven't been able to test ldm here, i am on 11.1 b1, most things that i need is broken :(
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> cyberorg: you don't give urself enough credit - I, for one, am quite happy to have people playing with local apps already
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| 08:35 | it forces us to get it pro-ready quicker
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| 08:35 | :)
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| 08:35 | <cyberorg> Gadi, there is nothing i have done there, it just works
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| 08:36 | <nubae> ogra: local cd works though, its just usb not working
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| 08:36 | <ogra> Gadi, if i find the time i'll work on the .desktop file integration at BTS
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| 08:37 | nubae, yeah i think hal is blocking something
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> ogra: cool - I am eager to see how you craft that magic
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| 08:37 | <ogra> no magic at all
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| 08:37 | * Gadi is still unclear about the tmpfs mount | |
| 08:37 | <ogra> whats unclear about that
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| 08:37 | * Gadi is unclear which side you wil mount on | |
| 08:38 | <Gadi> server or client
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| 08:38 | <ogra> on the client
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> then, it won't be seen by the server
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| 08:38 | <ogra> first you set the tmpfs or bind mount
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| 08:38 | <Gadi> that's my confusion
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| 08:38 | <ogra> why shouldnt it ?
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| 08:38 | i create it after mounting sshfs
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| 08:38 | so surely it will be overlayed above the sshfs mount and indeed the server will see it
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| 08:39 | <cyberorg> ogra, how do you plan to support apps that dont have .desktop files?
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| 08:39 | <ogra> i dont
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| 08:39 | <Gadi> right - and so it is a client-side filesystem mounted on a client-side mountpoint - but I don't think the server will see that reflected
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| 08:39 | <ogra> create a .desktop file for them
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| 08:39 | or have a script that does that
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| 08:39 | <cyberorg> manually?
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| 08:39 | <ogra> no
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| 08:39 | <Gadi> but, the proof is in the pudding, as they say
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| 08:39 | :)
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| 08:39 | <ogra> right
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| 08:39 | i'll show you ... if that doesnt work i'll find a way around, dont worry
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> heh, I have no worries :)
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| 08:40 | just, if it doesn't work, it gets a lot uglier
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| 08:40 | :)
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| 08:40 | btw, I propose adding another X atom to track the return value/message of launcching the app
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| 08:41 | something like: LTSP_COMMAND_RESULT
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| 08:41 | or something
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| 08:41 | that can be read to do error-handling
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| 08:41 | <ogra> sounds sane
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| 08:41 | <Gadi> it can be cleared when LTSP_COMMAND is set
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| 08:41 | * ogra has to go back to work | |
| 08:42 | <Gadi> heh, me too
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| 08:51 | * nubae pushed revised LTSP documentation in case anyone is interested | |
| 08:51 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:52 | Hmmm, I'm a little light in my bank account.
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| 08:52 | Overspent a bit this weekend.
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| 08:52 | <ogra> ouch
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> Wonder if the American Taxpayer would be willing to bail me out. 700 Bil. should do it.
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| 08:53 | I hear they've got the money :)
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| 08:53 | <nubae> lol
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> What, no takers on my biting political humour? :)
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| 08:54 | Guess I'll have to pull a Gadi and tell "Momma's thin client" jokes :)
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| 08:54 | 700 billion dollars.
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| 08:54 | that's like, 700,000 Million Dollars!
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| 08:54 | <Blinny> Yo mama's thin clients are so fat.. when they're backed up, THEY BEEP!
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| 08:55 | <cyberorg> Yo mama's thin clients are so fat.. when they go broke, you get 700,000 Million Dollars!
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| 08:55 | <nubae> that's a lot of thin clients :-)
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| 08:55 | <Blinny> C'mon.. that's classic!
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> Dr. Evil doesn't have that many pinkies to hold to the corner of his mouth.
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| 08:55 | <ogra> sbalneav, you culd join warren's business model and sell power buttons for thincan clients :)
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| 08:55 | <Blinny> Trucks/Lorries don't have reverse beepers in other parts of the world?
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| 08:56 | <nubae> big ones do
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| 08:57 | <Blinny> Haha!
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| 08:57 | * Blinny sighs | |
| 08:57 | <sbalneav> ogra: ok, lets see. At a dollar a button, I'd have to sell....
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| 08:57 | * sbalneav frantically counts on fingers | |
| 08:57 | <sbalneav> A lot more than 21 :(
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| 09:02 | <davidj> jammcq: Good mornining.
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| 09:02 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 09:02 | <davidj> ing
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq!
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| 09:04 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:04 | <nubae> sbalneav: u mentioned something about some changes u did to documentation regarding copyright and that...
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| 09:05 | I just pushed what I have up... I can integrate, or u can integrate what u've got
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> nubae: I think I updated my branch on LP, I'll check today, and we can merge.
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| 10:28 | <QWK2LRN> hello
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| 10:29 | I am setting up sound with alsa and only get sound logged in as root
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| 10:29 | is there a good way to set permissions for users?
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: what distribution?
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| 10:31 | and version of LTSP
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| 10:31 | <QWK2LRN> rhel 4 and Ltsp 4.2
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> on LTSP 4.2 you need to use esd for sound
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| 10:32 | you cannot use alsa
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| 10:34 | <QWK2LRN> thank you very much
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| 10:34 | I need to confirm the version for Ltsp and get back
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| 10:34 | what is problem with alsa?
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> alsa (by itself) does not do network sound
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| 10:35 | so, the apps on your server cannot play sounds on your thin client's sound card
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| 10:35 | <ogra> and ltsp 4.x is obsolete and unmaintained
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| 10:36 | <cyberorg> where are all the folks who wrote it these days?
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| 10:37 | <sbalneav> I'm here, and jammcq's here :)
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| 10:37 | <ogra> busy fixing the ltsp.org server :P
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> ahem
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| 10:37 | <sbalneav> And Gadi, sorry
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| 10:37 | <ogra> ah, thats why
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| 10:37 | :)
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| 10:37 | * sbalneav hopes for a thin client joke | |
| 10:37 | <cyberorg> just three of you maintained the entire distribution? that was awesome
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> sbalneav's mama's thin client's so fat....
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| 10:38 | cyberorg: there were more
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| 10:38 | <ogra> and there was LBE :)
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| 10:38 | <QWK2LRN> Does RHEL present an special problems for sound with LTSP?
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| 10:39 | <monteslu> did RAM requirents go up significantly with ltsp5?
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: well, you are strongly encouraged to upgrade to LTSP5
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| 10:39 | <monteslu> I think I have to upgrade some of my thin clients
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| 10:39 | <Gadi> the degree to which that is easy on rhel, I am not sure
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| 10:39 | if you continue with ltsp4.2, then there should be nothing inherent to rhel that should stifle your sound
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| 10:39 | <ogra> monteslu, on ubuntu you need at least 48M to boot, 64M recommended, 128M being good
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| 10:40 | monteslu, debian has similar numbers, not sure about redhat or gentoo
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| 10:40 | <monteslu> ogra, some of mine are 128 - 32 shared video
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| 10:40 | they're crashing
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: if you are on the k12ltsp listserv, you can find good answers to ltsp 4.2 related issues on redhat based systems
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| 10:40 | <ogra> that should be fine
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| 10:40 | <monteslu> free shows they're tapped
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| 10:40 | but I've got some RAM on order
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| 10:41 | DDR is cheap
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| 10:41 | <QWK2LRN> we find below 128 thin clients will sometimes lock up
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: use NBD_SWAP
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| 10:41 | <monteslu> well, jammcq's thin clients are fine on 128, but i think that's because they're not sharing video ram
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| 10:41 | ... I think
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| 10:41 | <QWK2LRN> thanks I will try that on a 64mb unit
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| 10:41 | <monteslu> I can't figure out how to get into the bios on these little guys
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| 10:42 | giving the the ntavos 512 is also in hopes that I'll be able to do some local apps stuff in the near future :)
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| 10:44 | Gadi, NBD_SWAP is off by default right? I'd sooner buy more RAM than put further drain on the network
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> monteslu: I believe so (but, hey - that's really a distro-specific question)
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| 10:45 | <monteslu> oh, right
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| 10:45 | 8.04
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| 10:45 | <Gadi> upstream, it should be disabled by default
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| 10:45 | <monteslu> cool
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| 10:45 | <ogra> its off by default
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| 10:45 | will automatically be used as soon as the initramfs detects less than 48M though
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| 10:46 | <monteslu> that's a good idea
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| 10:46 | <ogra> so people wih 32M can at least get something booting ... but slow
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| 10:46 | with 8.10 32M should work fine
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| 10:46 | we have compcache support by default in there
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| 10:46 | that extends the 32M to about 48M
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| 10:46 | using compression in ram
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| 10:47 | <monteslu> I think the thin clients want to idle around 92 megs of ram
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| 10:47 | though the ones i checked were also running jetpipe
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| 10:47 | <monteslu> which might be the only thing loading python
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| 10:48 | <monteslu> jammcq!
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| 10:48 | <jammcq> hey monteslu
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| 10:48 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi we are using esd +OSS +alsa has worked but on reboot it fails
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| 10:48 | <monteslu> hey, how do I get into the bios on a t150 >
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| 10:48 | ?
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| 10:48 | <jammcq> ummm
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| 10:49 | <Blinny> I really like that attention is given to keeping older compys working as thin clients. We have tons of P1s and PIIs, and their use as thin clients was included in the cost estimate of switching to LTSP.
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| 10:49 | <jammcq> seems like holding F10 or F12 at power on will do it
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| 10:49 | <monteslu> i'd look for the manual, but you don't have the old stuff on your site anymore
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| 10:49 | cool, thanks
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| 10:50 | ahh the t150s must have dedicated video ram
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| 10:50 | that's why they're staying up :)
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: not sure exactly what you mean
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| 10:50 | <jammcq> monteslu: it's not my site. I've been out of DisklessWorkstations for almost a year
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| 10:51 | <monteslu> jammcq, really?
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| 10:51 | didn't know that
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| 10:51 | <jammcq> really
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| 10:51 | <monteslu> is the new owner part of ltsp?
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| 10:51 | <jammcq> he's not new. I just sold my portion to my partner, the guy who created ltsp with me almost 10 years ago
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| 10:52 | <QWK2LRN> Alsa sound was working with esd and OSS but on reboot the permissions seem be lost for users (sound then only works for root)
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| 10:52 | <monteslu> did he do development as well?
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| 10:53 | <jammcq> he's a developer, although he's not developing ltsp code
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| 10:53 | but etyack and _UsUrPeR_ are also affiliated with DisklessWorkstations.com
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| 10:53 | they're doing deployment stuff
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| 10:54 | <monteslu> ok, I'll still look there first for my stuff :)
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| 10:54 | <jammcq> yeah, they still support LTSP.org development by providing funding for some special events
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| 10:54 | <monteslu> good to hear
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| 10:57 | * _UsUrPeR_ has burning ears | |
| 10:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> hello~
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| 10:57 | <QWK2LRN> GADI: Alsa sound was working with esd and OSS but on reboot the permissions seem be lost for users (sound then only works for root)
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| 10:59 | JAM: is there an arbitrary limit on the number of users in lts.conf?
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| 10:59 | <ogra> lts.conf doesnt have anything to do with users ...
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| 10:59 | only with clients
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| 11:00 | <QWK2LRN> OGRA: thank you I meant number of clients
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| 11:01 | <ogra> it doesnt
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| 11:01 | (doesnt limit)
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| 11:01 | <monteslu> while we're on lts.conf, is there a way to put a comment in a section besides the top?
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| 11:02 | the parser breaks on the normal comment char
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| 11:02 | <jammcq> huh?
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| 11:02 | i've got comments all over my config file
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| 11:02 | <monteslu> me too, but only at the top
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| 11:02 | putting something in a single thin client's section and it breaks
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| 11:02 | * ogra comments stuff regulary | |
| 11:03 | <ogra> it just ignores lines that start with #
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| 11:03 | <monteslu> well, its more for commenting stuff out that I use it
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| 11:03 | ogra, right
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| 11:03 | but it didn't
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| 11:03 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: how do you test sound?
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| 11:03 | <ogra> and the code didnt change between 4.x and 5
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| 11:03 | it works here
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| 11:04 | <jammcq> works here
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| 11:04 | <monteslu> well, I'll break it again and send you my conf :)
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| 11:04 | <jammcq> k
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| 11:04 | * jammcq wonders if getltscfg is the last remnant of the original LTSP code | |
| 11:04 | <Gadi> the one we dare not change
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| 11:04 | :)
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| 11:05 | <jammcq> it's like the corner stone
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| 11:05 | <sbalneav> ltspfs didn't change much between 4.2 and 5
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| 11:05 | <monteslu> you mean you're not gona make it xml based ?!?!
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| 11:05 | * monteslu ducks | |
| 11:05 | <jammcq> remove it, and there'll be no tax incentives
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| 11:05 | sbalneav: yeah, but getltscfg goes all the way back to LTSP-1.0
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| 11:06 | <sbalneav> This is true
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| 11:07 | <jammcq> monteslu: when I originally wrote it, I considered xml
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| 11:07 | very briefly
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| 11:07 | <Gadi> so, I found the magic incantation for the printing issue: echo "ServerName ${LDM_SERVER}" > /etc/cups/client.conf
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| 11:08 | keep that in the back of ur minds, ladies and gents
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| 11:08 | <jammcq> Gadi: handing the print jobs off to a server cups ?
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| 11:08 | <monteslu> jammcq, I've spent the last ten years writing in java. So I'm biased towards xml based configs
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| 11:08 | <Gadi> yeah - we're gonna need something like that for LOCAL_APPS
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| 11:08 | <jammcq> very nice
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| 11:09 | * ogra whacks monteslu with an xml stick | |
| 11:09 | <monteslu> hah
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| 11:09 | ogra, don't worry. I've brought up here two or three times in the last few years and have been thoroughly whacked several times
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| 11:10 | <ogra> well, you have another opponent now :)
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| 11:10 | the ini format is so nice :)
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| 11:10 | <monteslu> making firends on a daily basis
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| 11:10 | <ogra> and easy enough to read for anyone
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| 11:11 | xml will force you to use extra tools
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| 11:11 | <monteslu> ini doesn't have inheritance and polymorphism
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| 11:11 | <Gadi> btw, I have another scriptie with another LDM param: LDM_USER_ALLOW
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| 11:11 | <jammcq> i'm not sure i'd call .ini nice, but it's certainly a good solution to the problem
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| 11:11 | <monteslu> ogra, they're both clear text
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| 11:11 | * Gadi will try to merge some stuff today/tomorrow | |
| 11:12 | <ogra> monteslu, i wouldnt expect my mom to be able to edit xml in a texteditor ... but she would probably grasp the format of an ini file
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| 11:12 | <monteslu> ogra, she told me she was cool with it :)
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| 11:12 | <Gadi> ogra's mamma's thin client's so fat....
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| 11:12 | <jammcq> oh jeez
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| 11:12 | * ogra shakes his head and goes back to work | |
| 11:12 | <Gadi> ... it doesn't have an ini - only an outie :)
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| 11:13 | ok, then...
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| 11:13 | <monteslu> so glad I'm working from home today
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| 11:13 | <Gadi> my beer is so warm - it tastes like coffee...
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| 11:13 | <monteslu> laugh would have given me away
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| 11:15 | <Q-FUNK> õhtust!
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| 11:15 | <ogra> ülöäüß
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| 11:15 | !
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: isn't that a territory in Risk?
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| 11:16 | <Q-FUNK> :D
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| 11:16 | no, that would be Syldavia
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| 11:19 | <monteslu> ooh yes, crucial to olding north america for the 5 point bonus
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| 11:19 | s/olding/holding
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| 11:19 | <warren> ogra: how can I not receive any of those launchpad bug mail?
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| 11:19 | * AlienX_ kind of likes the word "olding". Sounds like something people in Florida to :D | |
| 11:19 | <warren> ogra: none of whawt I've received so far is relevant to me
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| 11:20 | <ogra> warren, there are such things like filters :)
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| 11:20 | i cant imagine hal-addon-storage doesnt gan you any probs though
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| 11:20 | *gain
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| 11:21 | <Q-FUNK> hal-hardon-storage *cough*
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| 11:22 | <ogra> the ltspfs rules dont seem happy with it running and monitoring the usb keys
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| 11:22 | i'll take a look mid week
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| 11:51 | <cliebow> warren:feeling better??
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| 12:01 | <warren> cliebow: no
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| 12:01 | cliebow: I drove 1.5 hours in traffic this morning only to realize my post-op appointment is Wednesday
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| 12:07 | * johnny hopes warren feels better soon | |
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| 12:08 | <warren> johnny: it is apparently a process...
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| 12:08 | I have a little energy today
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| 12:08 | * johnny presses fast forward | |
| 12:08 | <warren> but I have to sleep again soon
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| 12:08 | and I'm still bleeding like heck
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| 12:08 | <johnny> :(
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| 12:12 | <cliebow> warren:that would make me feel a little low too..course i Already know I am slipping...;-]
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| 12:12 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: fellow over in #edubuntu having troubles with USB, I'bm directing him here
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| 12:12 | <b-man> hi, here i am
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| 12:13 | <sbalneav> b-man: What was the web page you were looking at?
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| 12:13 | <b-man> the guy with the usb trouble
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| 12:13 | for debugging i took https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> b-man: which distro and release?
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| 12:13 | <b-man> debian lenny, latest release
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> !vers
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| 12:14 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "vers" is not a valid command.
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| 12:14 | <sbalneav> ok, so what address range do you have your thin clients on?
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> !ver
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| 12:14 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
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| 12:14 | <sbalneav> 192.168.0.x?
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| 12:15 | <b-man> 10.10.10.x
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| 12:15 | <vagrantc> b-man: please post the results of the above command to the pastebot
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| 12:15 | <ogra> vagrantc, you get that ver thing wrong every time :) time for a link
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| 12:15 | <vagrantc> ogra: heh.
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| 12:15 | <sbalneav> b-man: So, did you sub in 10.10.10.x for step 4/
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| 12:15 | ?
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| 12:16 | <b-man> yes
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| 12:16 | i replaced it with my socket / my servers ip
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| 12:16 | <ogra> and are you logged in in ldm ?
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| 12:16 | <b-man> yes
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> b-man: could you summarize what you've done so far?
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| 12:17 | <sbalneav> ok, instead of doing the ssh with the ltspfs command, try just doing a "date" command, to see if the ssh connection is plumbed
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| 12:17 | <vagrantc> b-man: since i wasn't involved in the earlier conversation
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| 12:18 | <b-man> ok, first i set up a test server, did everything what was told in the debian howto
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| 12:18 | everything worked fine
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| 12:18 | then i set ldm / usb up on the real server
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| 12:18 | ldm works, usb not
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| 12:18 | "date" command like?
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| 12:18 | <ogra> ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.254 192.168.0.254 date
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| 12:19 | (if your server ip is 192.168.0.254 indeed)
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| 12:19 | <b-man> i get date & time :)
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| 12:19 | <sbalneav> ok, so the ssh is there
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| 12:19 | <ogra> good, the ssh tunel works then
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| 12:19 | <b-man> ahh ok, date command :P
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| 12:20 | <sbalneav> but when you run the ltspadd command, you get auth failed?
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| 12:20 | <b-man> had not enough coffee this morning
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| 12:20 | yes
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| 12:20 | <sbalneav> sounds like the ltspfs secret key script either didn't fire, or isn't there
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> where are all these commands being run from?
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| 12:21 | <b-man> as root on the thin client
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> from X ?
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| 12:21 | <b-man> ahh, i get it wrong
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.254 192.168.0.254 'echo $DISPLAY'
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| 12:22 | <b-man> is empty
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> that's the problem.
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| 12:22 | at least with the test
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| 12:22 | unless you've configured it to not use security.
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| 12:23 | i.e. configured ltspfsd to run with different arguments
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| 12:23 | <ogra> well, it should be localhost:11 or some such by defult
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> yes, but if you're running it from the commandline the display is probably not properly set ... so the test is broken.
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| 12:23 | <ogra> the display on the server side comes from -X
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| 12:24 | so needs to be the proxy
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> correct.
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| 12:24 | b-man: just simply do: echo $DISPLAY
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| 12:24 | <ogra> if it returns an empty value i'D suspect X forwarding being disabled
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| 12:24 | <vagrantc> ogra: if ssh -X has nothing to forward...
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| 12:24 | <ogra> in sshd
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| 12:24 | it uses the existing ldm connection
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| 12:24 | <b-man> echo $DISPLAY on the thin-client is also empty
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| 12:25 | <ogra> -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.254 does that
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| 12:25 | * vagrantc fires up a test environment | |
| 12:25 | <ogra> so it *must* have the ldm display
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| 12:25 | at least on the server side
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> b-man: could you please run the following command from the server and paste it to the pastebot:
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| 12:25 | !ver
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| 12:25 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}'
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| 12:26 | <ogra> but b-man said he is logged in in ldm so there must be value
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| 12:27 | <b-man> everything from COLUMNS=200 to the end?
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| 12:27 | <vagrantc> b-man: yes, please. the whole thing.
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| 12:27 | b-man: just cut and paste it.
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| 12:27 | <b-man> ok
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| 12:28 | it says
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| 12:28 | ltsp-server
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| 12:28 | 5.1.10-2
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| 12:28 | ltspfs
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| 12:28 | 0.5.3-2
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| 12:28 | ltspfsd
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| 12:28 | 0.5.3-2
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| 12:28 | ltspswapd
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| 12:28 | 0.0.2006.10.19-1
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| 12:28 | dpkg-query: failed to open package info file `/opt/ltsp/i386/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> !pastebot
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| 12:28 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> ltspswapd, eh?
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| 12:29 | <b-man> ah, ok, pastebot - next time i"ll use it :D
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| 12:29 | mhh didn't installed it
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> b-man: ltspswapd isn't part of debian ... where did you install that?
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| 12:30 | <b-man> i didn"t installed it
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| 12:30 | it seems like it was already there
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> b-man: it also seems like you don't have ltsp installed in the normal place ...
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| 12:30 | b-man: does /opt/ltsp/i386 exist?
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| 12:30 | <b-man> yes
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| 12:31 | perhaps someone did this before
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> b-man: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/debian_version ?
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| 12:31 | <b-man> ltsp isn't running on this machine, mom plz
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> b-man: and ltspfsd shouldn't be installed on the server.
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| 12:32 | <b-man> sure, perhaps it was my parent ..
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> b-man: my initial guess is you have ltsp 4.x installed.
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| 12:32 | <b-man> mhh
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| 12:32 | ok
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| 12:32 | we"ve two machines
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| 12:33 | one for the display manager
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| 12:33 | <b-man> and one for ltsp
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| 12:33 | i installed the ltsp machine new
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| 12:33 | with ltsp 5
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| 12:33 | and just updatet the display manager machine with ldm
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| 12:34 | and ldm needed ltsp-server to work
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> shouldn't need it, but it's generally a good idea.
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| 12:34 | <b-man> so i also installed ltsp-server on the display-manager machine
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> b-man: so please run that command on your actual ltsp server.
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| 12:34 | <LocutusQWK> Hello, just joined
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| 12:34 | <b-man> ltsp 4.2 was used before
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| 12:35 | but this serveris shut down
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| 12:35 | shutted
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| 12:36 | please excuse my english :)
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> no problem
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| 12:36 | <LocutusQWK> Using LTSP 4.2 w/RHEL4.0. Sound on the client only works when login as root
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| 12:38 | Running ALSA. Receive a 'no device' permission error message re: snd_open_ctl
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| 12:39 | when login as a client
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| 12:40 | <ltsppbot> "b-man" pasted "vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2}/^ii/{print $3}' ; COLUMNS" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/1
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| 12:40 | <sbalneav> So, if you login as root from a client, the sound works, or sound never works on the client?
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| 12:41 | <b-man> pasted :D
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| 12:41 | it must be a problem with the ldm-server
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| 12:41 | because it already worked with my ldm-test-server
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| 12:41 | i used the same ltsp-server
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| 12:41 | <LocutusQWK> sbalneav: thank you...when logged in on client as root sound works
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| 12:42 | <b-man> but it would be horrible if i had to reinstall the real server
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> b-man: so you're able to log in to the server, just localdevices don't work?
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| 12:42 | <b-man> yes
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| 12:42 | sound also works fine
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| 12:43 | and they did on the test-ldm-server
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| 12:43 | <sbalneav> LocutusQWK: Does the server have an "audio" or "sound" group? You might have to add the users to it.
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| 12:43 | <LocutusQWK> vagrantc: no sound card on server just clients. .wmv files work on all clients
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| 12:43 | yes audio group is defined
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> LocutusQWK: sorry, i don't know RHEL or ltsp 4.x
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| 12:44 | b-man: user is in the fuse group?
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| 12:44 | <b-man> yes
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| 12:44 | but wer"re using a ldap server
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> b-man: on the server: ls -l /dev/fuse
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| 12:44 | <sbalneav> LocutusQWK: Well, for a start, I'd try adding any users who you want to have sound to that group
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| 12:44 | <b-man> i first thought this could be the problem
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> b-man: definitely could be, yes.
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| 12:45 | <LocutusQWK> I think the problem is my permissions on the client somewhere in alsa libraries
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| 12:45 | <b-man> crw-rw-rw- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2008-09-22 10:53 /dev/fuse
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| 12:45 | <LocutusQWK> Has worked in past but when server rebooted it stopped working on clients
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| 12:45 | <b-man> i changed the chmod to 666 because i thought this could solve the problem
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| 12:45 | <Gadi> LocutusQWK: see if the user has a ~/.esd_auth
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| 12:45 | <b-man> if it was a group-problem
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| 12:46 | <LocutusQWK> it has a /.esd_auth
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| 12:46 | <Gadi> remove it and log the user back in
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| 12:47 | <LocutusQWK> thank you I will try that now
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| 12:47 | correction /.esd_auth was not there
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| 12:48 | * Gadi guesses that "root" has one | |
| 12:49 | <vagrantc> b-man: i'll boot up my test environment and see what i get
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| 12:49 | <b-man> ok, thank u very much
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> hopefully something didn't just break it
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> b-man: are you trying to get local devices working for users in ldap without adding them to the fuse group?
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| 12:52 | <b-man> i added them all to the fuse group
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| 12:52 | <Gadi> a local fuse group or an ldap fuse group?
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| 12:53 | <b-man> ldap
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| 12:53 | mom
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> there's your problem
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| 12:53 | <b-man> i need a local group?
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| 12:53 | <Gadi> they should belong to the local system group ldap
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| 12:53 | er, fuse
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| 12:54 | your ldap "fuse" group has a different gid than your local "fuse" group
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| 12:54 | and all the perms are set to your local "fuse" group
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| 12:54 | <b-man> there is no local group fuse
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| 12:54 | <Gadi> :)
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| 12:54 | ls -l /bin/fusermount
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| 12:55 | <b-man> mhh there is no /bin/fusermount
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| 12:55 | <Gadi> are you sure you have fuse installed?
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| 12:55 | dpkg -l|grep fuse
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| 12:55 | <b-man> fuse-utils
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| 12:55 | mom
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| 12:56 | <LocutusQWK> Gad: thank you we are checking the clients....our sound from root seems to have gone away
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| 12:56 | <ltsppbot> "b-man" pasted "dpkg -l | grep fuse" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/2
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| 12:56 | <Gadi> how about libfuse2?
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| 12:56 | <vagrantc> b-man: why do you keep saying "mom" ?
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| 12:57 | <b-man> ok, i'll stop saying it
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> b-man: dpkg -L fuse-utils
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| 12:57 | (paste that)
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> b-man: just curious is all :)
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| 12:57 | <ltsppbot> "b-man" pasted "dpkg -L fuse-utils" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/3
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| 12:58 | <Gadi> ls -l /usr/bin/fusermount
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| 12:58 | :)
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| 12:59 | <b-man> -rwsr-xr-- 1 root fuse 23496 2008-09-16 08:36 /usr/bin/fusermount
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> so, you do have a local fuse group
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| 12:59 | <Gadi> grep fuse /etc/group
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| 12:59 | <b-man> opteron2:~# cat /etc/group | grep fuse
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| 12:59 | opteron2:~#
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| 13:00 | opteron2:~# getent group
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| 13:00 | fuse:x:117:
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> is that the ID you gave fuse in ldap?
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| 13:01 | <b-man> it was created automatically
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> plus, it seems your fuse group has no users
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| 13:01 | <b-man> it has
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> fuse:x:117:
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| 13:01 | not according to that
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| 13:01 | <b-man> i dinn"t paste them, because the"re quite a lot
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| 13:01 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:01 | <vagrantc> b-man: you should really tell us when you've edited the output :P
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| 13:02 | <b-man> sorry :D
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> b-man: try: sudo chown root.fuse /usr/bin/fusermount
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| 13:02 | <b-man> ok
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> and: sudo chow root.fuse /dev/fuse
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| 13:02 | *chown
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| 13:03 | and, try the local devices again
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| 13:03 | <b-man> sure, done
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| 13:04 | <b-man> - but not with testing, need to reboot the thin client
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| 13:06 | <b-man> mhhh no, doesn"t work
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| 13:07 | <ogra> man group.conf ?
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| 13:08 | <b-man> but if it's really a group-problem. the localdev should work if i set the chmod of /dev/fuse and the mounter to 666, right?
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> b-man: no, because you don't have permission to run fusermount
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| 13:12 | <ogra> use group.conf
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| 13:12 | that should work
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| 13:12 | <b-man> ok, i'll have a look at it
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| 13:12 | <ogra> and dont have the fuse group in ldap
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> b-man: you could: chmod +s /usr/bin/fusermount and chmod 666 /dev/fuse
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| 13:18 | at least to rule out perms
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| 13:22 | <Nubae> jeez, even changing LDM theme is totally different in suse
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| 13:24 | <ogra> Nubae, yep, everything is
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| 13:25 | <Nubae> well, the docs aren't gonna help much for suse users
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| 13:25 | <ogra> sadly
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| 13:25 | probably suse then reconsiders and helps upstream :)
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| 13:27 | <vagrantc> Nubae: how do they change the LDM theme?
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| 13:27 | <Nubae> http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Tips_and_Tricks#Adding_application_into_the_image_to_run_as_localapps
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| 13:27 | in the middle of that document
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> eeyk. the very first line on that page sounds like *Evil*
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| 13:29 | <Nubae> its all ass backwards
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| 13:29 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:29 | <Nubae> KIWI provides a mechanism to send configuration files from the server to client via tftp.
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| 13:30 | <b-man> ok, next step is to switch off ldap, create group and user local anf test it
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| 13:30 | <ogra> what vagrantc wanted was http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Tips_and_Tricks#Changing_LDM_theme ... at least that doesnt make you go blind
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> maybe i mislead them when i said one plugin in the ltsp-build-client dir was fine.
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| 13:30 | <ogra> though its not more beautiful either
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| 13:30 | <Nubae> :-)
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| 13:31 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, if they would use it and promote ltsp-build-client that wuld already be a massive move
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| 13:31 | <b-man> and thank u very much for ur help, so far
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| 13:31 | <johnny> vagrantc, both fedora and gentoo have very limited plugins in there
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| 13:31 | i'm actually thinking about consolidating it even more
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> johnny: oh well.
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| 13:31 | <johnny> we use the same variables tho.. in gentoo land
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> it was the first attempt at a design that hopefully everyone could use.
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| 13:32 | <johnny> but it's too tempting to use our own distro's configuration tools.. which in some cases, do more than what debootstrap and friends seem to be able to do
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> actually, i like the concept of what warren was doing with chroot-setup.d and such ...
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> johnny: sure. and arguably, that's what you should use.
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| 13:33 | ltsp5 is about mimicking the host distro
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| 13:33 | or following host distro conventions, at least
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| 13:34 | <Nubae> ok, just to check, in the non-suse world, ldm themes are located here, right?: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/
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| 13:34 | <ogra> right
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| 13:34 | <Nubae> with a link to here: /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme
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| 13:34 | <ogra> and /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/default is always the one used
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| 13:34 | well, if your distro has alternatives
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| 13:34 | <johnny> Nubae, except on gentoo it's x86 :) not i386
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| 13:35 | <Nubae> well, thats fine, whatever you call the chroot is up to the user really
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| 13:35 | <ogra> in any case default will point to the used theme, either through alternatives or directly
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| 13:35 | <Nubae> its just totally different paths make no sense
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| 13:35 | <johnny> i use the same paths as upstream other than that
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| 13:36 | <dberkholz> johnny: i kinda think we should change the tftproot to the default location instead of our weird one
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| 13:37 | <dberkholz> johnny: someone made a good point about integrating with anything else people might want to ship out via tftp
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| 13:37 | <johnny> dberkholz, what is our weird one?
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| 13:37 | <ogra> /tftpboot ?
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| 13:37 | <johnny> dberkholz, any word on this bug? http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=235789
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| 13:37 | <dberkholz> the /opt/ltsp/tftp or whatever it is
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| 13:37 | <johnny> dberkholz, we haven't actually standardized on that :)
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| 13:38 | i'm not using that :) i'm using the upstream location here
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| 13:38 | <dberkholz> oh good
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| 13:38 | <ogra> doesnt gentoo have a standard for it ?
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| 13:38 | <dberkholz> please put that in any docs too
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| 13:38 | <johnny> i will.. trying to get around that
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| 13:38 | our bookfair is this weekend.. so it'll prolly have to wait til next week
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| 13:38 | hopefully amy goodman will draw in the crowds..
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| 13:38 | <dberkholz> ogra: the server-side is mainly manually configured right now
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| 13:39 | <ogra> dberkholz, yeah, but if i emerge a tftpd what would that use by default ?
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| 13:39 | <dberkholz> whatever its upstream config file says
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| 13:39 | they don't necessarily agree
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| 13:39 | <ogra> well, pick a default one and standadize on that one :)
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| 13:40 | (a default tftpd i mean)
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| 13:40 | <dberkholz> /var/lib/tftproot seems to be fairly typical
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| 13:40 | yeah, i like dnsmasq.
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| 13:40 | <ogra> thats what e did in debian and ubuntu as well
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| 13:40 | <johnny> except many people have their own dhcp servers
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| 13:40 | <ogra> (though ubuntu simply pulls the defaults from debian here)
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| 13:40 | <johnny> that's where warren's setup has advantages
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| 13:40 | <dberkholz> so? dnsmasq should be able to do whatever you want it to
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| 13:40 | <Nubae> well, its easy enough to turn off
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| 13:40 | <dberkholz> turn off dhcp
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| 13:40 | * ogra cant use dnsmasq in the default | |
| 13:41 | * vagrantc likes dnsmasq | |
| 13:41 | <dberkholz> if it can't, simon would likely fix it
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| 13:41 | <ogra> there is no way i get that approved by our security team to go into main
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> there's only one patch we need in the initramfs to get it to properly download the lts.conf
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| 13:41 | <johnny> vagrantc, the netascii thing?
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> johnny: yeah
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| 13:42 | <johnny> i ran into that bug myself.. when scott was telling me not to use dnsmasq :)
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| 13:43 | hmm.. anybody here wanna recommend some decent thin clients for me to use? that can use local apps.. and gotten for a budget? or donated to a non profit for a writeoff? :)
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| 13:43 | i need 4
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| 13:43 | or rather 3
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| 13:43 | or.. i can even do some work for one..
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| 13:44 | <Nubae> whats wrong with your old computers?
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| 13:46 | <johnny> our space is too small
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| 13:47 | we need to lighten up the space
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| 13:47 | we're going to make some of them stand up. so folks don't stick around all day
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| 13:47 | <Nubae> ah... makes sense
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| 13:47 | <johnny> we do try to encourage an environment where folks can hang out
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| 13:47 | but it surely pushes the limits of our space
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| 13:48 | * ogra really loved the disklessworkstations.com T150 | |
| 13:48 | <johnny> especially since we have to make money to stay open
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| 13:48 | <ogra> but its not sold anymore
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| 13:50 | <johnny> dberkholz, so.. any comment on that bug? :)
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| 13:50 | <cliebow> t150 rocks..onlyy decent client i have
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| 13:50 | <johnny> we need to be cool like everybody else and their xorg-server 1.5 :)
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| 13:50 | <ogra> be cool :)
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| 13:52 | <johnny> our budget is super low.. :(
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| 13:53 | <Nubae> I don't get this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XkioskKiosk
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| 13:53 | <johnny> i'm probably going to end up spending all of what i have on 3 monitors
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| 13:53 | <Nubae> stand alone X terminal on a thin client?
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| 13:53 | is that a local X terminal?
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| 13:53 | * ogra has no idea what that is | |
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| 13:53 | <dberkholz> johnny: i can't reproduce it. is it x86-only or something?
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| 13:53 | <johnny> yes it is
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| 13:54 | <ogra> but my name is mentioned on it ... makes me famous, so i like it :P
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| 13:54 | <dberkholz> if it affected all x86 users, i'd expect there to be about 500 more CCs on it
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| 13:54 | <Nubae> hmmm and why not just hit alt cntrl f1?
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| 13:54 | <johnny> dberkholz, it's with 2.6.26 headers
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| 13:54 | afaics
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| 13:54 | * ogra wonders who wireless89 is ... he wrote it it seems | |
| 13:54 | <johnny> it should work fine with earlier headers
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| 13:54 | <dberkholz> right, current ~x86 of linux-headres and xorg-server
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| 13:55 | <johnny> there's already a patch there
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| 13:55 | does it look wrong to you?
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| 13:55 | <Nubae> I like the idea of making a thin terminal that is ascii based though... like in the old vms days... u get a choice of email, lynx, gopher... heh
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| 13:55 | <dberkholz> i haven't had a chance to verify it
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| 13:55 | <Nubae> u could run 386s on it
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| 13:56 | <Nubae> even ascii art with a graphics to ascii converter =)
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| 13:56 | how cool would that be
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| 13:56 | <johnny> that's easy enough i'd think
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| 13:56 | <Nubae> retro ltsp
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| 13:57 | <johnny> with aalib
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| 13:57 | <Nubae> nethack included
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| 13:58 | <ogra> we should default to that
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| 13:58 | would save a lot of bugreports
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| 13:58 | <Nubae> hehe
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| 14:07 | <Nubae> does PRINTER_0_TYPE still exist in ltsp 5?
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| 14:07 | <ogra> its ignored
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| 14:07 | <ogra> the type is determined from the device
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| 14:07 | <Nubae> ah ok
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> Gadi: you shouldn't need to source ltsp_config for your LDM_USER_ALLOW patch
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| 14:27 | Gadi: but otherwise, cool :)
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| 14:29 | Gadi: why not make LDM_USER_ALLOW space separated?
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| 14:29 | Gadi: and should case the re-setting of LDM_USERNAME ... :)
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> vagrantc: yeah, there are a couple of things in there that I may not need in the latest ldm - but this script I know works
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| 14:29 | I figured, better to commit it
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| 14:30 | and then change
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| 14:30 | so we could revert as needed
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| 14:30 | I use comma separated, as that does not require quotes in lts.conf
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> fair enough
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> in latest ldm, I don't need to set LDM_USERNAME
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> but, that is for backwards compat
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> a simple [ -z "$LDM_USERNAME" ] would handle both cases nicely.
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| 14:31 | i patched localapps in debian to do that
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> I gave this to a guy on ltsp-discuss last week and it worked for him
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| 14:32 | true dat
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| 14:32 | I will patch
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> i should probably patch that upstream
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| 14:32 | <ogra> vagrantc, btw, i patched the ubuntu package to unset CONFIGURE_X ...
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| 14:33 | warren, doesnt need that piece either anymore, if debian released we should see that we defaut to that upstream
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> ogra: unconditionally unset it?
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| 14:34 | <ogra> default to not having it set
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 14:34 | <ogra> xorg doesnt use most of the xorg.conf anymore
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| 14:34 | i.e. all input and keyboard configs are deliberately ignored by xorg 1.5
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| 14:36 | * vagrantc wonders how long it takes for patches.ubuntu.com/l/ltsp/ for the latest upload show up | |
| 14:36 | <Gadi> what about serial touchscreens?
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| 14:37 | that is done thru hal?
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| 14:37 | <ogra> vagrantc, never ... if you are ahead of me
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| 14:37 | it will only diff if your upstream version is the same or lower afaik
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| 14:37 | Gadi, everything input related is done through hal
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> ogra: oh.
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| 14:38 | * Gadi wonders how to automagically do stuff with a serial port | |
| 14:38 | <ogra> vagrantc, not sure though
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's a good way to see the diff in our packages when they're actually reasonably close in version.
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| 14:38 | <ogra> Gadi, i guess that would need soemthing like an extended inputattach
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> ogra: actually, my upstream in experimental is the same. it's actua;lly the same exact tarball for ltsp right now.
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| 14:39 | <ogra> vagrantc, there is nothing beyond commenting the CONFIGURE_X=True setup in ltsp_config atm
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> ogra: and the previous diff is against an experimental version
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| 14:39 | <ogra> and my change to dh_installinit to make sure the client starts at 25
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| 14:53 | <Gadi> vagrantc: if you get a free moment, and can let me know if this ldm logs out properly on your test setup, that'd be great: lp:~gideon/ltsp/ldm-trunk-gadi
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> Gadi: no need to merge back my merge of your patch, unless it includes differences... just for future reference.
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> I'm not sure what that means, but I'll smile and nod, nonetheless
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| 15:04 | :)
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> you re-wrote your own revision history needlessly ...
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| 15:05 | <ogra> he's working on a book :P
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> Gadi: revision 908 used to be your patch, but now it's my merge of your patch.
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| 15:05 | * Gadi just follows the recipe: bzr pull, bzr commit, bzr push | |
| 15:05 | <Gadi> :)
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> yeah, that causes problems.
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> ah
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| 15:06 | sorry
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| 15:06 | I thought that was the recipe from hackfest
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> no.
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| 15:06 | <johnny> dberkholz, i can verify now, that the arch version of linux-headers makes it work
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> Gadi: if you set append_revisions_only = True in ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf it'll prevent you from making those kind of mistakes, hopefully.
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| 15:07 | <cliebow> Gadi:yes smile and nod woeks well for me..
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> vagrantc: added
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| 15:08 | now, can I do that recipe?
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> Gadi: yes, and it'll error out when you're about to do something bad :)
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> hmm... I wish I knew how to do something good
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| 15:09 | :)
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| 15:09 | <ogra> do your work in sepratae branches
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| 15:09 | one per feature
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> I do
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> yeah, that's the proper way to do it
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| 15:09 | <ogra> one commit per change
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> right
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| 15:09 | I do that
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| 15:09 | <ogra> and only merge it back to the core branch if you are done
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> right
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> Gadi: this is the same branch that you made the rc.d/I* changes on
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> Gadi: this is a totally unrelated feature ...
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> ah, right
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| 15:10 | ok
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| 15:10 | but it was a different commit
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> right
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| 15:11 | it's just annoying to have a million branches for little experimental things
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| 15:11 | <Gadi> but, I suppose I should delete it
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| 15:11 | rebranch
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| 15:11 | and such
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| 15:11 | ok
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> bzr is kind of stupid with merges when you haven't changed anything ... it rewrites history ... i.e. when i merged revision 908 from your branch, it became a new revision, 908 in ldm-trunk ... then when you pulled ldm-trunk, it re-wrote history and *your* revision 908 became 907.1.1
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| 15:12 | * Gadi is not very good at keeping house - can you tell? | |
| 15:12 | <Gadi> oh
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| 15:12 | ok
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> then when you merged ldm-trunk into your branch, it was like "well, there aren't any real differences, i'll just rewrite history"
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> I thought you were just going to pull that last branch I posted to a separate dir
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| 15:13 | not merge with your main
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> and we all know from sci-fi movies how bad it can be to rewrite history.
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| 15:13 | anyways ...
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| 15:14 | i'll apply the pkill patch and see what happens.
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> so, I was thinking, if that little change were good, I would go into *my* main and make the change and commit
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> Gadi: your main?
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> right
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> i don't understand
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> I have ldm-trunk as a checkout that's golden
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| 15:15 | that's upstream
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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| 15:15 | that's good.
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> then, I branched from that ldm-trunk-gadi
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| 15:15 | and uploaded that
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> if the pkill thing, say, were good, I would patch ldm-trunk and commit it there
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| 15:15 | (ie, not using "bzr merge")
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| 15:16 | because it scares me
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| 15:16 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi: We are back to where we were on also setup. root has great sound but when we log onto client. we get this message from xsession error file (ALSA lib confmisc.c.560:(snd_determine_driver) could not open control for card 0)
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> :)
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> it's not so evil to do with branches you don't expect anyone else to use. but it's important to be conscious of what you're doing so you don't end up doing it on one of the -trunk branches
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> vagrantc: right
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| 15:16 | <nubae1> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/gpl-killed-the-mpaa-star
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: when you log in as a user from a thin client, open a terminal window and type: gstreamer-properties
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| 15:17 | QWK2LRN: go to "Audio output" and set to "ESD" and hit test
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| 15:17 | let me know if you hear sound
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> Gadi: you know, i think the shell process that defines the sentinel will still get caught by pkill -P $PPID
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| 15:18 | so it probably still won't run K* scripts.
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| 15:18 | <cliebow> home...!
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> vagrantc: at this point I am worried only about dying gracefully, not necessarily being alive for the K* scripts
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> Gadi: in that case, it's probably a workable patch.
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> well, I want it tested first
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| 15:19 | personally, I think it is bad design to rely on K* scripts for anything anyway
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| 15:19 | we should always expect a bad ending to a session
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| 15:19 | and be able to handle it
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> rely and have available are two very different things
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| 15:19 | <QWK2LRN> Gad: No sound and Gstreamer quit
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> but, we should encourage proper session termination
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: gstreamer died?
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| 15:20 | crashed?
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| 15:20 | <sbalneav> ogra: Still about?
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| 15:20 | <ogra> sbalneav, yeah, and venting about work
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| 15:20 | whats up
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| 15:21 | <sbalneav> There's an issue with g-p-m and LTSP taking a long time to log out?
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| 15:21 | <QWK2LRN> GADI: ran test but no sound gstreamer quit unexpectantly
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| 15:21 | <sbalneav> Who you venting to?
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| 15:22 | <ogra> only myself
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| 15:22 | <sbalneav> Need someone else to vent to?
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| 15:22 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: at the terminal, type: rpm -qa|grep esd
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| 15:22 | and pastebot the results
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| 15:22 | <ogra> and my scripts that costed me a full workday and didnt get me where i need to be now
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| 15:22 | <Gadi> !pastebot
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| 15:22 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:23 | <ogra> sbalneav, i suspect that g-p-m thing is a dbus issue
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| 15:24 | <QWK2LRN> GADI: kdesdk-dev-3..1-2 also kdesdk-3.3.1-2
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| 15:24 | <Gadi> thats it?
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| 15:24 | <QWK2LRN> yes that's all we got
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> try looking for a gstreamer-esd package and an esound-clients package
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| 15:25 | (the names may be similar but different)
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| 15:25 | <Gadi> I think you may have uninstalled some necessary packages?
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| 15:25 | <johnny> i'm glad i removed that esound nonsense
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| 15:26 | <ogra> yeah
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| 15:26 | its a massive security flaw
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| 15:26 | <johnny> like ogra..
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| 15:26 | <ogra> :P
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| 15:26 | <johnny> hehe :)
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| 15:26 | * ogra kicks apt-proxy | |
| 15:27 | <johnny> it's ok ogra.. you're a swell fellow anyways :)
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| 15:28 | <ogra> i'm only a frustrated looney today
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| 15:29 | i hate wasting whole workdays and getting nowhere
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| 15:31 | <johnny> ogra, don't we all
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| 15:32 | * ogra wipes his whole locl mirror and starts over completely | |
| 15:32 | <vagrantc> ogra: i've been using approx lately ...
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| 15:32 | <ogra> it worked the whole day
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| 15:32 | <ogra> now that i have fixed the last bug in my script and would get it working, it locks up on on damned package
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| 15:33 | so i guess it will be downloading stuff for the next 3-4h
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| 15:33 | <Gadi> where's the new localapps trunk?
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| 15:33 | <johnny> huh?
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| 15:33 | did i miss something?
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| 15:33 | <Gadi> didnt that get split out?
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| 15:33 | <johnny> it's in ltsp-trunk still? in /localapps
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| 15:33 | <Gadi> or rearranged?
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| 15:34 | <johnny> it got moved inside the same branch
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> yeah, where is it?
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| 15:34 | <ogra> renamed iirc
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| 15:34 | <johnny> /localapps
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> ltsp-trunk?
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| 15:34 | <ogra> same place
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| 15:34 | <johnny> no.. it used to be /client/xrexecd
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| 15:34 | now it's in /localapps
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| 15:34 | <ogra> ah
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| 15:34 | well, not in ubuntu :P
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> ah, got it
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| 15:35 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi: what do gstreamer-esd and esound-clients do for you?
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: esound-clients should provide things like: esdplay
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| 15:35 | * ogra wonders if Gadi is insane enough to still use 4.x anywhere | |
| 15:35 | <Gadi> so, at a terminal you can run: esdplay <wav>
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| 15:36 | <Gadi> ogra: unlike Ubuntu, I cannot abandon my users every 6 mos (ooh...)
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| 15:36 | lol
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| 15:36 | <QWK2LRN> We have esdplay and it works on .wmv files
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| 15:36 | * Gadi hides | |
| 15:36 | <ogra> Gadi, so you force your users to use insecure software that has known security holes ?
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| 15:36 | or do you patch kernel and xorg for them regulary ?
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| 15:37 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: ok - the gstreamer-esd package should provide gstreamer with the esd plugins
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| 15:38 | <QWK2LRN> would this make sense if it works when logged in as root?
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| 15:39 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: when you log in as root, and perform that same gstreamer-properties test, it works?
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| 15:39 | <QWK2LRN> will do it now
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| 15:39 | <Gadi> if so, please pastebot the file: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound
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| 15:40 | <QWK2LRN> sound works great on test when logged as root
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| 15:40 | fails alsa
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| 15:40 | <Gadi> as it should
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| 15:40 | <QWK2LRN> failed OSS
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| 15:41 | <Gadi> as it should
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| 15:41 | only esd should work
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| 15:41 | <QWK2LRN> works great esd
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| 15:42 | is there a way to display permissions for all required files?
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: can you pastebot: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound?
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| 15:43 | !pastebot
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| 15:43 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:45 | <QWK2LRN> GADI: will have it to you shortly
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| 15:45 | * Gadi recalls this issue, but forgets which fix was the right fix | |
| 15:45 | <Gadi> :)
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| 15:45 | <Gadi> been too long
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| 15:48 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi: is pastebot normally slow to connect
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| 15:48 | <Gadi> not for me
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| 15:48 | <QWK2LRN> it is up now
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| 15:50 | it is pasted
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| 15:51 | Gadi: we have at ltsp.org/4
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> Gadi: no luck on the pkill
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| 15:51 | Gadi: it hangs, just like all the others.
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| 15:52 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i'll try with a -1, just like the other patch
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| 15:52 | <ogra> Gadi, ltsp.org is down
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| 15:52 | QWK2LRN, use a different pastebin for the moment
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| 15:54 | <QWK2LRN> what would you suggest?
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| 15:54 | <Gadi> no, I got it
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| 15:54 | ur good
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> Gadi: looking at the pstree output, it looks like dbus-launch and freinds disassociate from the sshd somehow
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| 15:54 | <QWK2LRN> Thank you!!!
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> Gadi: they're not children of sshd...
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| 15:55 | Gadi: so it's just not going to work as reliably...
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> vagrantc: right - but I was hoping that by killing the children, sshd would end its own life, but I guess not
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> Gadi: somehow processes started aren't all the children.
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| 15:56 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: if you reboot the terminal and log in as a user, does sound work?
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| 15:56 | <QWK2LRN> No it does not work
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| 15:56 | <Gadi> vagrantc, yeah, but my thinking was this:
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| 15:57 | sshd would die once its children are dead
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> and it would die gracefully, with a session_close()
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| 15:57 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi: No it does not work as user
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| 15:57 | <Gadi> thereby informing dbus, et al to die
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| 15:57 | <ogra> thats what the kill $PPID was supposed to do
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| 15:57 | <vagrantc> Gadi: alas, no.
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| 15:57 | <ogra> (killing all children)
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> ogra: but kill $PPID kills sshd abruptly and session_close() is not run
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| 15:58 | <ogra> no
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it seems to get run with openssh 5.1 on debian
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> but, pkill -P does have sshd run session_close()
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| 15:58 | <ogra> it *should* kill x-session-manager
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> Gadi: even with the kill
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| 15:58 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: let me see if I can find the problem in the email history...
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| 15:58 | <ogra> it worked as long as we called gnome-session directly
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| 15:59 | which was only in the first implementation
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| 15:59 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi: Thank you very much!!
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> gnome-session was never called directly, and i have the bzr logs to prove it :P
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| 16:00 | <ogra> vagrantc, it was during teh development release of breezy
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> ogra: that was GDM's Xsession script
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| 16:00 | <ogra> iirc mdz changed it before release
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> ogra: and i got them to patch it to use the regular Xsession script
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| 16:01 | <ogra> i know i have used gnome-session directly in ubuntu in the beginning
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| 16:01 | right when i took over the packaging it was like that
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> well, it's not represented in the code.
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| 16:01 | <ogra> no, it was in the package only
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| 16:01 | for testing purpose
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| 16:01 | <ogra> but back then the kill $PPID actually worked
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc> still does
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| 16:02 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: just out of curiosity, if you copy /root/.esd_auth to a user's home dir and log in as the user, can he play sound?
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| 16:03 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi: Thank you we will try that now
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| 16:03 | <ogra> Gadi, esd had patches to make that work iirc
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| 16:03 | <cor3> hello
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| 16:03 | I have a quick question about the new ldm
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| 16:04 | I configured x11vnc to fire up as an init script on the client side but it seems the death of X means the death of x11vnc regardless of the -loop option
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| 16:05 | what is the official way of adding custom scripts to the ldm startup so they don't get clobbered during an upgrade etc
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| 16:05 | ?
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| 16:05 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: it seems that for some folks, blowing away the user's gconf directories and having gnome recreate them solved it
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| 16:06 | <Gadi> cor3: which new ldm?
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| 16:06 | <cor3> I used ltsp <5 previously
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| 16:06 | and used gdm
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| 16:06 | this time around I used debian + ltsp5
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| 16:07 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi: Thank you we will try that next
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| 16:07 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: instead of deleting from existing user, try creating a new user
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| 16:08 | <cor3> I could just hack it into the ldm init but I thought I would ask before being so brutish
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| 16:09 | <Gadi> cor3: ldm-trunk (in bzr) has an init mechanism for ldm's rc.d/ scripts
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| 16:09 | moving forward, that would be the way
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| 16:09 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi: trying new user now
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| 16:10 | <cor3> ok though it seems the client filesystem is with out that dir even though the init script references it.
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| 16:10 | guess a simple create and deposit the script should be enough
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| 16:10 | <Gadi> but, x11vnc also has flags like -forever and -display WAIT:#DISPLAY
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| 16:10 | <cor3> thanks I did see that in the docs but with the dir not there I thought it best to ask
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| 16:10 | <Gadi> *$DISPLAY
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| 16:11 | you may want to try these
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| 16:11 | <cor3> I used the forever and loop
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| 16:11 | no luck
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| 16:11 | WAIT simply tells it to wait until client connect before connecting to X
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| 16:11 | <Gadi> how about: -display WAIT:6
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| 16:11 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi: new user has no sound
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| 16:12 | <cor3> tried that too but ctrl+alt+bkspc or logging out results in no x11vnc proc running
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| 16:12 | I'll try the ldm rc dir
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| 16:12 | thanks
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| 16:12 | <Gadi> cor3: yeah, you can put it in an I00-x11vnc script
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| 16:12 | <ogra> I ?
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| 16:12 | <cor3> perfect
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| 16:12 | thatnks
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| 16:12 | have a good day
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| 16:12 | <ogra> what would I be?
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| 16:12 | <Gadi> cor3: btw, the other approach is install inetd in the chroot, and run x11vnc out of inetd
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| 16:13 | ogra: init
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| 16:13 | <ogra> Gadi, in what distro is that used yet ?
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> cor3: but you need ldm from ldm-trunk
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| 16:13 | <ogra> ubuntu definately doent have it yet
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> (or maybe vagrantc has it in experimental?)
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| 16:13 | <cor3> ya I initially looked at that but decided an init script with the forever and loop should work
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| 16:13 | * ogra surely didnt package it | |
| 16:13 | <cor3> I am running under debian etch currently
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| 16:14 | <ogra> ugh
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| 16:14 | thats old
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| 16:14 | <cor3> anywho I'll make it work
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| 16:14 | <Gadi> heh
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| 16:14 | <ogra> did that even have ldm2 ?
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| 16:14 | :)
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| 16:14 | <Gadi> ogra's lashing out against the world today
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| 16:14 | :)
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| 16:16 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi: Thank you for your help we will get back online in the morning
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| 16:16 | <ogra> well, its not only that i didnt get where i wanted to be with my work, but also found a grave bug in apt
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| 16:16 | <vagrantc> i added the rc.d/I* stuff in experimental, yes.
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| 16:16 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: one last thing
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| 16:16 | you can try adding "-promiscuous" to the line in rc.sound calling esd with all of the options
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| 16:17 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi: thank you will try now
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| 16:17 | <Gadi> QWK2LRN: (sorry fo the lack of definitivity - its been a while)
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| 16:18 | <ogra> yeah, and you really shouldnt use ltsp 4
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| 16:19 | <Gadi> yeah - and tuck in your shirt
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| 16:19 | :)
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| 16:19 | <ogra> Gadi, i'm serious
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| 16:20 | <Gadi> me, too - no shirt, no shoes, no service
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| 16:20 | <ogra> it has lots and lots of security holes that never were closed
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| 16:20 | apart from one kernel update 2 years ago it wousnt touched since 3 years or more
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| 16:21 | <Gadi> and, if he is running ltsp 4 on an enclosed network for a specialized project with no prospect for security exploitation?
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| 16:22 | <ogra> you know that 90% of the attacks you have come from internal users, right ?
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| 16:22 | <Gadi> on esd... for sure
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| 16:22 | I read the memo
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| 16:22 | :)
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| 16:22 | <ogra> surely on esd as well
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| 16:23 | <ogra> esd's hacks are even public all over the web
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| 16:23 | <QWK2LRN> Gadi: Ty very much will get back in AM
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> he probably cannot get sound on the users when he logs in as a user, because he was hacked - and every time he logs in as a user, a sound is playing on a piano in germany at just the right frquency to collapse a bridge in spain
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| 16:24 | <ogra> :P
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| 16:24 | <Gadi> :D
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| 16:24 | yo mama's thin client's so fat...
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| 16:24 | <ogra> Gadi, you know what i mean ... on distros where ltsp5 is available its just insane to use 4.x
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| 16:25 | and fc8 definately has a working setup
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| 16:25 | <Gadi> and if my bubbe had wheels she'd be a baby carriage
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| 16:25 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 16:25 | <johnny> so.. anybody interested in trading work for thin clients? :)
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| 16:31 | <b-man> damn lts-server
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| 16:31 | it seems that it had nothing to do with the ldap-server^^
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| 16:31 | -that+like
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