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Channel log from 30 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:34 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 01:37 | <Asad2005> if i set up ltsp server on amd64 linux do i have to use amd64 clients
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| 01:46 | <johnny> no
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| 01:46 | need set --arch=i386 on ltsp-build-client
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| 02:10 | <Asad2005> johnny, thanks i did that now i onlt get busybox prompt initramfs no GDM login
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| 02:15 | now how to update image of i386, default is updating amd64
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| 02:15 | <johnny> you should just remove the amd64 stuff
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| 02:15 | you need to use --arch=i386 wherever it says something to you about amd64
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| 02:16 | <Asad2005> ok thanks
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| 03:24 | <dean_za_> Hi , I tried setting up a kiosk and since then all my clients are getting the kiosk image from nbd_server , I have since removed all traces of kiosk to try get my default install working and I cant seem to find where nbd_server is getting its info. Any one have any ideas ?
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| 03:25 | I know get this in my daemon.log
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| 03:25 | nbd_server[7950]: connect from 192.168.0.100, assigned file is /opt/ltsp-kiosk/images/i386.img
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| 03:25 | May 30 10:16:57 lsh01 nbd_server[7950]: Could not open exported file: No such file or directory
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| 04:13 | <ogra> dean_za_, /etc/inetd.conf has what you are lookinf for
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| 04:13 | *looking
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| 04:17 | <dean_za_> hi ogra , found that had 2 entries port 2000 for original and 2001 for kiosk , tried hashing out kiosk did nothing. howdo i restart inetd
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| 04:17 | which is default port ?
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| 04:18 | <ogra> well 2000 is usually the original
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| 04:18 | and default
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| 04:19 | <ogra> beyond that it indeed matters what the filename directive in your dhcpd.conf points to
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| 04:19 | <dean_za_> hasnt changed from default install
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| 04:20 | <ogra> well, change the pat for the 2001 entry in inetd.conf, restart inetd and it shpuld work
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| 04:21 | *path
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| 04:21 | <dean_za_> how do I restart inetd ?
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| 04:22 | <ogra> sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart
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| 04:22 | something like tha
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| 04:22 | t
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| 04:23 | <dean_za_> thanks , been looking for /etc/init.d/inetd , did this change in hardy ?
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| 04:23 | <ogra> no
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| 04:24 | we switched from netkit-inetd to openbsd-inetd two years ago when debian dropped netkit-inetd .... thats the only change since ltsp5 exists in ubuntu
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| 04:31 | <frin> hello, can someone help me set up LTSP4.2 for local applications? I'd like to play sound on local terminal, I have difficulties setting up NIS server (if that is even required), currently all sounds by any user play on the server
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| 04:38 | <ogra> frin, there are not many people anymore who could help with the old 4.2 stuff, stick around for some hours, with luck you find someone
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| 04:57 | <frin> but is NIS neccessary to run local applications?
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| 04:57 | <ogra> NIS is a big security hole
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| 04:57 | not used since ages
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| 05:32 | <popey> hi, does anyone here have an AMD Geode GX2 based device running Hardy?
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| 05:33 | I have just filed bug 236019 because the geode x driver seems duff, wondered if others had this issue.
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| 05:33 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/236019
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| 05:34 | The specific hardware is a Viglen MPC-L, but I _believe_ it's similar/same as the Linutop2, but don't have one to confirm it
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| 05:37 | <ogra> popey, hey hey
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| 05:37 | popey, wait for Q-Funk, he has fixed packages for testing ... they are supposed to go into hardy-updates and 8.04.1
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| 06:28 | <dean_za__> orga - i followed the instaructions for setting the root password in the chroot , then ran ltsp-update-image , when I try login it tells me my account has expired . How do I correct this ?
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| 06:28 | *ogra
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| 06:29 | <ogra> dean_za__, run sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -u before re-rolling the image
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| 06:29 | (man passwd would have told you :) )
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| 07:07 | <popey> ogra: do i recall you telling me that the v1 classmate _has_ an ATA interface inside? is this presented as an IDE connector insternally?
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| 07:07 | <ogra> the v1.5, yes
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| 07:08 | v1 is what you have at home
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| 07:08 | <popey> ah
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| 07:08 | bummer :)
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| 07:08 | <ogra> rich is just getting new ones :)
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| 07:08 | <popey> woudl they be faster booting off an sd card than the internal flash?
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| 07:08 | <ogra> took me a month to make suspend/resume work on the crappy USB thing ... now they just drop it :/
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| 07:08 | <popey> :(
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| 07:09 | <ogra> not really
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| 07:09 | <popey> i guess the cpu limits either device?
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| 07:09 | <ogra> i bot mine off an SDHC card as fasst as from the internal flash or a USB key ... there is not much noticeable differentce ... they are all up after about 70secs
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| 07:09 | s/bot/boot/
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| 07:10 | <popey> right
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| 07:10 | <ogra> the missing L2 cache is the prob here
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| 07:10 | the atom powered devices will solve that though (ETA end of the year)
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| 07:11 | <popey> atom classmates?
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| 07:11 | <ogra> .oO( all these poor x-rayed children )
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| 07:11 | yeah
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| 07:11 | classmate 2.0 will use atom
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| 07:11 | <popey> :)
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| 07:12 | <ogra> and a proper resolution :)
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| 07:13 | <popey> yeah, that's one reason I like the 9" eee, 1024x600 is just about ok
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| 07:14 | <ogra> yeah
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| 07:14 | i'll likely move over to the mobile team soon to care for all these devices
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| 07:15 | 3 years of edu are really enough :)
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| 07:15 | <popey> i can imagine!
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| 07:22 | <Blinny> ogra: As per https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/235772 Martin says update from -proposed. I don't see an updated ltsp package in -proposed ... should I just want for some propagation or ...?
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| 07:23 | <ogra> Blinny, that was accepted about 1h ago ... give it some hours to build :)
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| 07:23 | Betreff: Accepted: ltsp 5.0.40~bzr20080212-0ubuntu7 (source)
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| 07:23 | Datum: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:28:42 -0000 (12:28 CEST)
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| 07:23 | <Blinny> Okay - I've never opened -proposed .. not sure how this works. Thanks!
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| 07:24 | <Blinny> What can I say.. I'm just too quick!
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| 07:24 | *whoosh*
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| 07:25 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: are you at LT already?
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| 07:25 | <ogra> propsed: i (the dev) uploads something ... the release team inspects every line of the patch, then accepts it to -proposed, the buildd builds the package and drops the binary to -proposed .... there it sits for a week nd if it gets two positive feedbacks on the bug during that it moves over to hardy-updates
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| 07:26 | <Blinny> Dig. Cool. Thanks.
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| 07:26 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, nope, will drive tonight or tomorrow morning to much personal stuff here at home that kept me from going earlier
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| 07:26 | Q-FUNK, meet popey ... he has geode GX issues :)
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| 07:27 | Q-FUNK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/236019
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| 07:29 | Q-FUNK, are you in berlin already ?
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| 07:30 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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| 07:30 | arrived this morning via HEL
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| 07:30 | I'm at LT now, at the coreboot booth
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| 07:38 | <popey> scared him off, clearly
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| 07:40 | <ogra> well, he answered on 219630
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| 07:41 | sounds like you should try with the ncs driver instead of geode
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| 07:41 | *nsc
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| 07:41 | i dont think the pci id's do anything beyond getting autodetection to work, if nsc still supports that chipset it might work
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| 07:42 | <popey> well there's two errors, the autodetection is one thing, and the driver itself seems broken
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| 07:43 | <ogra> right, but martin said that gedoe doesnt support that chip at all ... nsc does thogh
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| 07:44 | <popey> :(
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| 07:44 | <ogra> at least thats what i read out of his coment
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| 07:44 | <popey> yeah, so it seems
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| 07:44 | <ogra> so try using nsc
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| 07:44 | <popey> booting now :)
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| 07:44 | <ogra> geode and friends are a major pain since gutsy
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| 07:44 | and the OLPC folks adding half breeded patches to it didnt help wither
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| 07:45 | *either
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| 07:48 | <popey> just updating classmate using hardy image
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| 07:48 | <ogra> yay
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| 07:49 | fi you plug in an additional usb key before booting the instaler you can actually install to the external key if you want ... should work on the eee as well
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| 07:49 | <popey> can you install to an sd card?
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| 07:49 | I have an 8G SDHC one spare
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| 07:50 | well.. "spare" :)
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| 07:50 | <ogra> no, but thats two or three lines ofr code to enabe it
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| 07:50 | i dont think its detected during boot
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| 07:50 | the installer would offer it to you after the lang selector
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| 07:50 | <popey> the installer sees /dev/sdc as the internal flash disk yes?
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| 07:51 | <ogra> no idea, i never look at device names, whats the real name of the device ?
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| 07:51 | <popey> well it says it's formatting, and the usb stick is the only other thing, and the hdd light is flashing, so it must be that :)
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| 07:51 | <ogra> should have something like MPD or MPD in t
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| 07:51 | *MPT
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| 07:52 | ah, right, if there is only one possible target i dont bother the user with a selection ;)
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| 08:00 | <popey> that worked nicely, thanks ogra
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| 08:00 | <ogra> which one now ? classmate install or ncs driver ?
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| 08:00 | *nsc
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| 08:00 | <popey> classmate
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| 08:00 | <ogra> ah :)
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| 08:01 | welcome :) if you find probs, please report ... its still not the final image
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| 08:03 | (i'll roll final with 8.04.1)
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| 08:04 | <popey> I'd like to see a simlar image for the eee - one that has the specific fudges for that hardware
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| 08:04 | <popey> ooo, i thought you said you wouldn't be able to do the screen stretching thing any more?
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| 08:04 | <ogra> thats what i will be working on in the future ;)
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| 08:04 | <popey> nice
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| 08:04 | <ogra> intel offers a special driver that supports panning as well as screen compression
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| 08:04 | that will be packaged for intrpid
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| 08:04 | *intrepid
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| 08:04 | <ogra> i'm not a friend of panning modes but as long as intel demands it it will stay in
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| 08:04 | <popey> i note you're still using the i810 driver and not the intel modesetting one..
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| 08:04 | <ogra> right
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| 08:05 | i810 uses xrandr differently
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| 08:05 | newer drivers drop panning support in favor of having a big virtul screen over multiple displays
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| 08:05 | <popey> ahh
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| 08:05 | <ogra> you can only have one or the other
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| 08:05 | that forces me to i810
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| 08:06 | <popey> this seems a lot faster than the previous install
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| 08:06 | <ogra> but i810 will die and i wont have any standard X way of doing panning
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| 08:06 | well, some months of work ;)
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| 08:07 | <popey> :)
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| 08:17 | <popey> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.. just after the "emulate 3 button mouse" question, it falls over trying to load /lib/modules/foo/kernel/drivers/acpi/battery.ko "no such device" - well duh! it's a desktop
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| 08:17 | how silly
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| 08:23 | <Blinny> hey hey! I've got a diskless workstation 1225 that I can consistently crash (full lock, no VTs), even with 128mb of NBD_SWAP enabled. How should I go about troubleshooting this?
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| 08:23 | And, actually, the DevonIT box I have does the same crash. This one is reproduced using F-SPOT
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> ogra, I think I've just solved a bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/173067 - is my posting there enough for the maintainter of the script to see it or should I do something more?
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| 08:27 | (we newbies need a who-is-who and what-is-what for the distros, maintainers, bug reporting etc... :))
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| 08:27 | <ogra> alkisg, ltsp in ubuntu is minly me
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| 08:27 | *mainly
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> yeap, but I don't know which script is Ubuntu-specific, which is debian... :)
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| 08:28 | e.g. I've seen vagrantc's name on some of them...
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| 08:29 | <ogra> doesnt matter
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| 08:29 | if you find the bug in ubuntu file it in ubuntus bugtracker
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| 08:29 | we work together upstream, but every distro has its special tweaks
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> even if it is dhcp-server crashing? I mean, a binary and not a script?
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| 08:30 | <Nuba1> ogra... I've more or less made the ltsp-build-client plugin for low fat clients with nfs and ldap support...
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| 08:30 | <ogra> well, that would be clearly ubuntu :)
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| 08:30 | <Nuba1> should I call it workstation as it was called
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> :) ok then! thanks!
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| 08:30 | <Nuba1> or lowfat
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| 08:30 | ?
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| 08:30 | <ogra> Nuba1, then lets get it into th eextra-plugins in ubuntu :)
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| 08:30 | so we get testing from intrepid users
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| 08:31 | <Nuba1> ok... let me put the finishing touches on it, ie, name etc
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| 08:31 | :-)
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| 08:31 | <ogra> well, i havent even done anything for intrepid ltsp yet anyway
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| 08:31 | to much other work to do, so no rush
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| 08:31 | <Nuba1> ok... so either --workstation or --low_fatclient will work?
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| 08:32 | <ogra> why low ?
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| 08:32 | <Nuba1> well, I just think of fat client being non ltsp
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| 08:32 | but could call it fatclient too
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| 08:32 | <ogra> well, for me a fat client is a client runing ubuntu-desktop locally
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| 08:33 | if thats what yours does, lets just call it --fatclient
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| 08:33 | <Nuba1> yeah, k...
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| 08:33 | <laga> maybe with arguments for ubuntu/kubuntu etc?
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| 08:33 | <ogra> since you will specify this option in ltsp-build-client i assume our users being clever enough to find out they do it in ltsp ;)
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| 08:33 | <Nuba1> yeah those are in there
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| 08:33 | kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu
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| 08:34 | <ogra> laga, i'll allocate some ltsp time in june, lets see that we get the mythbuntu stuff shaken out and merged upstream then ....
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| 08:34 | <laga> ogra: right.
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| 08:35 | <Nuba1> laga, I used the one question, I did auth-client-config in finalization... but maybe that should come before... what do you think?
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| 08:35 | <laga> there was a bug report about the alternate DHCP ports in here, i'll try to get a patch ASAP
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| 08:35 | Nuba1: auth-client-config? never used that ;)
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| 08:35 | <ogra> and we should also look if there is something we could split out into a more common plugin i guess debian would love to have a diskless media player as well ;)
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| 08:36 | <Nuba1> that meant to say, I used mythtv's finalization part with cat <<EOF>> to put in some ldap config files
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| 08:36 | but after that it requires executing the above mentioned command
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| 08:36 | just wondering if I did it the right place
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| 08:37 | well, I'll paste it when I've finished testing it here
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| 08:37 | <laga> ogra: i'm still not sure if the whole overlay thing with aufs is such a great idea.. an LDAP server would be nice ;)
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| 08:37 | <Nuba1> problem is LDAP server is seriously broken in hardy...
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| 08:37 | <ogra> no ldap in defaults .... i wont add any ldap dependencies to the packages :)
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| 08:38 | <ogra> we worked hard in the past to avoid any ldap involvement in all out ltsp implementations
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| 08:38 | (thats essentially why there still is no upstream fat client)
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| 08:38 | s/out/our/
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| 08:39 | <ogra> and why localapps isnt there yet ...
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| 08:39 | <Nuba1> yeah, I thought about making a hakish option to copy passwd/shadow/group to the fat client environment
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| 08:39 | but it doesnt work as expected
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| 08:39 | <ogra> whats hackish about that ... if its done right :)
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| 08:39 | <laga> Nuba1: well, the mythbuntu plugin does that for one user
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| 08:39 | <Nuba1> only ldap works properly
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| 08:39 | well, its not dynamic for one
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| 08:40 | <laga> yes.
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| 08:40 | a shame :(
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| 08:40 | <ogra> it could be :)
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| 08:40 | its only software
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| 08:40 | <Nuba1> yeah, then might as well use ldap ;-)
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| 08:40 | <ogra> and i heard we are deveopers :) the guys who change software to do the right thing ;)
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| 08:41 | <Nuba1> oh... one thing that would be really nice, and I can't figure it out... how about mounting /home via sshfs?
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| 08:41 | <laga> well, suggestions? ;)
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| 08:41 | <ogra> laga, some ideas, yes
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| 08:41 | <Nuba1> instead of nfs
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| 08:41 | <ogra> doesnt wrk without hacking around a missing sshfs feature
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| 08:42 | the localapp spec has an explanation
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| 08:42 | <laga> :(
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| 08:43 | <Nuba1> :-(
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| 08:43 | <ogra> sshfs has no statfs() call
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| 08:43 | firefox doesnt like that
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| 08:43 | nautilus neither
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| 08:44 | not sure about oo.o but i would be suprised if it was happy
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| 08:44 | but that should be fixed with the localapps implementation
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| 08:45 | <laga> well, we probably want a real file system, not something which is missing important stuff ;)
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| 08:45 | <ogra> well, its really only that call
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| 08:45 | you can wrap something in fuse around that ....
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| 08:45 | scotty had some proof of concept code i think
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| 08:45 | but never published it
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| 08:46 | <Nuba1> shame
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| 08:46 | <ogra> with that in place we can even make ldm automount /home on login ... just attached to the existing ssh tunnel
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| 08:47 | <laga> i believe i saw a patch to add stats()
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| 08:47 | <slappy> is there a way to change ldm appearance and language ?
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| 08:48 | <ogra> slappy, lang depends on your distro theme works everywhere
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| 08:49 | <Nuba1> buntu makes it easy though :-)
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| 08:49 | <ogra> just look at /usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 08:49 | <slappy> It looks like there is a default theme for clients, and I don't know how to change them on the server.
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| 08:49 | <ogra> (in the chroot)
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| 08:50 | oh, and if you are using a newer version LDM_THEME in lts.conf should be supported
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| 08:50 | <Blinny> Any ideas about where to start with my full-stop lock-ups?
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| 08:51 | <slappy> I'll be back...
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| 08:58 | <Nuba1> I could take out user creation out of the fatclient script entirely, as ldap does it, or I could but another switch in, so users can choose ldap or server-users
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| 09:03 | <cliebow> Gadi: rebooting file server seems to have licked the time wait issue..thanks..
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| 09:06 | <slappy> ogra: I'm using ltsp 5 so I'll take a look at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf.
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| 09:06 | is there a tag for language, like LDM_LANG or something like that?
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| 09:06 | cause all my uses are using french
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| 09:07 | <Nuba1> dont think ldm language localisation has been done yet
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| 09:07 | <Nuba1> you could always start thought :-)
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| 09:07 | <slappy> I would like to get involved, but I don't know where to start...
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| 09:08 | <ogra> Nuba1, it has been done, but to late for inclusion in hardy
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| 09:08 | it only hi the upstream code two weeks before release and was no small patch
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| 09:08 | s/hi/hit/
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| 09:09 | the debian sid package has a bunch of translations already and the intrepid package i'll upload next week will too
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| 09:10 | <Nuba1> oh cool
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| 09:11 | <ogra> and since we have ldm in a separate package now i might even ask for a backport
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| 09:13 | <Nuba1> I'm looking to buy a new laptop... on which I will install Ubuntu... any recommendations? I've looked at the dells, which seem nice, but I'd like a 17 inch screen
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| 09:13 | * ogra just bought a http://www.notebook-paradies.com/oxid.php/sid/1d50de6550db2627431586ac1f13b370/cl/details/cnid/34d47e3d0619f1822.57725514/anid/34d47e3d1da300ea6.34265928/<b>NEXOC-Osiris-S621---Tablet<_b>/ | |
| 09:14 | <ogra> not sure they make them with non german keyboards though
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| 09:14 | but apart from tablet calibration being painful, all HW worked right out of the box for me with hardy
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| 09:14 | <slappy> ogra: just to be sure, /opt/ltsp/i386 is only there to create the image for client?
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| 09:15 | <ogra> slappy, right
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| 09:15 | the squashfs in /opt/ltsp/images gets created from it if you run ltsp-update-image
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| 09:16 | <Nuba1> damn nice price for a tablet pc
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| 09:16 | <ogra> i got it with the fast HDD and 3G ....
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| 09:16 | <slappy> so if I want a specific theme, the procedure is: chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386 ; apt-get install theme; add LDM_THEME=/usr/share/ldm/theme, right?
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| 09:16 | <ogra> its faster than any of my servers in my basement :)
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| 09:17 | slappy, all available themes are installed with the ldm package, you would need to make your own
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| 09:17 | and LDM_THEME should only take the theme name iirc
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| 09:17 | LDM_THEME=edubuntu
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| 09:17 | <slappy> I wanted the ubuntu-studio theme :(
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| 09:18 | <ogra> i doubt anyone from ubuntsudio has ported anything to ldm
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| 09:18 | <slappy> oh, i see. it's gdm
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| 09:18 | <ogra> but if you make up a theme from ubuntustudio's images i'll happily include it in intrepid :)
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| 09:18 | <Nuba1> and do u use the tablet part of it ogra?
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| 09:19 | <ogra> ldm actually only knows two images ... the wallpaper and the logo floating on top
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| 09:19 | <laga> ogra: the c't said that the resolution of the touch-screen wasn't that good in that tablet pc. can you confirm?
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| 09:19 | <ogra> Nuba1, from time to time, yes ... its great to sit outside in my garden in the morning and read online news while slurping coffee
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| 09:20 | laga, the initial one was 1cmx1cm ... with recalibration its smooth
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| 09:20 | * ogra waves to vagrantc | |
| 09:20 | * vagrantc waves back | |
| 09:20 | <slappy> what a nice idea. I'll be back ( have to tack a coffee). Nice publicity ogra :)
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| 09:20 | <ogra> laga, i can write in the screen and draw just fine ...
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| 09:21 | s/in/on/
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| 09:21 | <vagrantc> ogra: you still able to make it for the hackfest? i heard ubuntulive was cancelled
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| 09:21 | <ogra> vagrantc, yup, that got me the final approval actualy :)
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| 09:21 | <vagrantc> i see :)
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| 09:22 | <ogra> oh, you were half approved .... indeed then we cant cancel your activities ... just go ahead :)
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| 09:22 | need to book the flight though
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| 09:22 | wil be a busy month for me
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| 09:22 | first week asia ... third week london ... and from london to portland without going home
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| 09:22 | mind you, my clothes might stink :P
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| 09:23 | <vagrantc> can't imagine you'd stink worse than me :)
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| 09:23 | <ogra> haha
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| 09:23 | <vagrantc> well, you do smoke...
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| 09:23 | <ogra> we can compete
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| 09:23 | which covers the other ;)
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| 09:26 | <Nuba1> and 12 inches isnt too small?
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| 09:26 | for the screen :-)
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| 09:26 | <slappy> ogra: you said that theme's language depends on distro. Mine is in english. How can I change ldm theme for the client to be in french?
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| 09:27 | <vagrantc> ogra: i went ahead and committed the unionfs -> aufs patches to ltsp-trunk
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| 09:30 | ogra: what sort of time-frame before you consider sync'ing ltsp with debian?
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> is ubuntu moving to aufs?
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| 09:32 | <vagrantc> Gadi: so i hears
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> interesting
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| 09:32 | they are drop in replacements of each other, yeah?
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| 09:32 | <laga> kinda.
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| 09:32 | <vagrantc> for the most part
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| 09:32 | <laga> aufs has some compatibility options, but i'm not sure if they're enabled
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| 09:33 | <vagrantc> the patch was basically sed -e 's,unionfs,aufs,g'
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> vagrantc: ah, good
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| 09:33 | <vagrantc> well, at least debian's aufs has them enabled... ubuntu might do things differently.
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| 09:33 | <laga> vagrantc: since the maintainer is the same guy, i doubt it
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> do you know if casper moved to aufs?
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| 09:34 | <vagrantc> good good
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| 09:34 | <laga> Gadi: casper _can_ use aufs, there's a boot option
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> that must be new
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| 09:34 | <laga> yeah, it's new.
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| 09:35 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i heard from ogra that the livecd's will move to aufs, so ltsp (at least for ubuntu) should also
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| 09:35 | <laga> it didnt make sense before because there was no aufs :)
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| 09:35 | <Gadi> well, aufs was on the fringe for some time
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| 09:35 | and then became the rage
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| 09:35 | :)
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| 09:35 | * vagrantc rages with aufs | |
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| 09:36 | <vagrantc> all i know is that simple patch made the NBD+squashfs+aufs work in debian where unionfs has only infrequently worked. makes me happy.
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| 09:36 | <slappy> Is there a file to change ldm language. I looked at greeter-gtkrc but it's not the good one. There is surely a ressource file somewhere?
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| 09:36 | <vagrantc> slappy: what linux distro and release?
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| 09:37 | <slappy> ubuntu 8.04
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| 09:37 | <vagrantc> i don't think that version of LDM supports translations...
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| 09:38 | <Nuba1> as ogra said, it didnt quite make it into hardy
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| 09:38 | maybe there will be a backport soon... for now translations of ldm are no go
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| 09:38 | <slappy> But if there is a ressource file I can change it to my needs. I don't need to have language specific to user
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| 09:38 | They all speak the same language
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| 09:38 | <vagrantc> slappy: you would have to recompile ldm.
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| 09:38 | <ogra> vagrantc, i'm still not sure if i will, sync or just grab bzr
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| 09:39 | june is my month for such stuff
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| 09:39 | <slappy> oh, it's hard coded
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| 09:39 | <Nuba1> ldm is C
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| 09:39 | <vagrantc> ogra: cool.
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| 09:39 | <slappy> I know C
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| 09:39 | <ogra> i wont travel or be distracted otherwise this month
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| 09:39 | <slappy> Where do I start.
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| 09:39 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, if you push your packaging branches i'll work on merging them :)
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| 09:40 | <slappy> Where are the source files
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| 09:40 | <vagrantc> slappy: most likely grabbing ldm from trunk:
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| 09:40 | !ltspsource
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| 09:40 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ltspsource" is https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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| 09:40 | <ogra> or grab reh debian sid package and mangle the versioning
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| 09:40 | then just build it
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| 09:40 | it should have french
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| 09:40 | s/reh/the/
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| 09:41 | <slappy> ok thanks
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| 09:41 | <ogra> oh, and note that the debian package doesnt ship themes
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| 09:42 | <vagrantc> doesn't ship ubuntu themes
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| 09:42 | it ships the ltsp theme :)
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| 09:43 | <ogra> it ships one theme, right :)
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| 09:43 | sorry, thought that was obvious :)
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| 09:43 | <vagrantc> i should get around to packaging an ldm theme for debian and freegeek
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| 09:43 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:44 | <vagrantc> but i'll package themes in a separate source package
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| 09:44 | <ogra> we should get people doing a theme contest and package the results in an extra-themes package
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| 09:45 | <vagrantc> that'd be cool.
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| 09:45 | i need to get an upload in this month if it's going to make it into lenny
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| 09:45 | (this month, as in june)
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| 09:45 | <ogra> i just did my last hardy upload last night
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| 09:46 | <vagrantc> ogra: still working on that old thing? :)
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| 09:46 | <ogra> its not done yet :)
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| 09:47 | <johnny> beep
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| 09:47 | <ogra> 8.04.1 was the target :)
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| 09:47 | <johnny> mmm... coffee
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| 09:48 | <vagrantc> ogra: since we're diverging so heavily on ltsp-client-builder ... i'm still tempted to split it into a separate source package
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| 09:49 | what kind of compression are folks getting with squashfs and ltsp chroots?
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| 09:49 | <ogra> zlib iirc
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| 09:50 | lzma isnt in the kernel, so the module cant make use of it
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| 09:50 | <laga> lzma would also be possible with additional kernel poatches AFAIK
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| 09:50 | heh
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| 09:50 | <vagrantc> the chroot i've built with was around 540MB... and the squashfs image around 400-some MB
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| 09:50 | <ogra> ans lzma is a heavy beast, it eats RAM
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| 09:50 | <laga> vagrantc: whagt chroot did you build?
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| 09:50 | <ogra> though compcache uses lza
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| 09:50 | <vagrantc> laga: just a regular debian sid ltsp chroot
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| 09:50 | <laga> my mythbuntu-diskless image is 418M, and it contains everything.
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| 09:51 | the ubuntu chroot was like 140M compressed AFAIK
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| 09:51 | <ogra> and we'll have compcache and the compression modules in intrepid with the next linux-ubuntu-modules
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| 09:51 | so i might be able to play with lzma here
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| 09:51 | vagrantc, did you have debs left in /var/cache/apt ?
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| 09:51 | <vagrantc> i'm just trying to figure out if squashfs is .... not exactly broken on debian sid ... but maybe not working optimally?
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| 09:52 | ogra: nope.
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| 09:52 | <ogra> they dont get much compression
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> compcache is a compressed ramdisk as swap space, right?
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| 09:52 | <ogra> my classmate root is 3.5G, compressed its 780M
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| 09:52 | <Gadi> or is it for all free ram?
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| 09:52 | <ogra> it really depends on the data you compress
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| 09:52 | Gadi, its the best since sliced bread
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> lol
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| 09:53 | <ogra> just doesnt taste as good
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> does it make all available ram compressed?
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| 09:53 | <ogra> it creates a /dev/ramzdsk device which is a compressed tmpfs
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| 09:53 | <Gadi> or just swap?
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| 09:53 | <ogra> you can surely also abuse it as normal fs
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| 09:54 | <Gadi> ah - so we will abuse it by using it as the writable tmpfs overlay?
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| 09:54 | <ogra> like any other tmpfs it only grabs a part of the ram
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| 09:54 | no
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| 09:54 | i will use it as virtual local swap :)
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| 09:54 | but indeed patches accepted
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| 09:55 | we dont really have much data we need writable, the need here for a compression isnt that big imho
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> ah - so it is formatted as swap?
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| 09:55 | <ogra> right
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| 09:55 | the default setup makes it swapspace
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> but you can format it any which way because it is a block dev from the kernel's pov
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| 09:55 | <ogra> but i'm sure you can tweak it to do other useful things
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| 09:55 | <Gadi> not a fs
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| 09:55 | <ogra> right
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> neat
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| 09:56 | <ogra> i havent tried that yet, just fiddling with the normal usage and proper udev integration
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> i guess the question is what percentage of free ram to make swap
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:56 | <ogra> but once thats done i'll look at other opportunities
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| 09:56 | <Gadi> and does this actually make the swap space faster than the regular ram?
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| 09:56 | <vagrantc> does it eat a dedicated slice of ram, or just what it actually uses?
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| 09:57 | <ogra> i need to make sure there are no issues with suspend/resume first
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| 09:57 | vagrantc, you can specify its size
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| 09:57 | <vagrantc> yes, but if i specify 10M, and it only uses 2M ... will it consume 10M ?
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| 09:57 | <ogra> (my main usecase are classmate and netbook for it, ltsp ram reduction is just an additional benefit for me)
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| 09:58 | vagrantc, i *think* it will only take 2 but cant confirm atm
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| 09:58 | does that matter though ?
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| 09:58 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 09:58 | <ogra> i mean the main target it has s to increase the seen ram
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| 09:59 | <ogra> s/seen/usable/
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| 09:59 | <vagrantc> when you're cutting it close, i suspect it matters a lot.
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| 09:59 | but anyways, time will tell :)
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| 09:59 | <ogra> right
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| 09:59 | i'll work a lot with it the next months
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| 10:00 | ask me in august and i can hold a talk about it :)
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| 10:00 | <vagrantc> ogra: is it packaged for ubuntu and/or debian yet?
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| 10:00 | <ogra> it is in linux-ubuntu-modules
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| 10:00 | in intrepid
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| 10:00 | debian doesnt have it yet afaik
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| 10:00 | <vagrantc> it's just a kernel module, no kernel patches required?
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| 10:01 | <ogra> http://gitweb.heh.fi/?p=ion/ubuntu/compcache.git
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| 10:01 | just grab that git source
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| 10:01 | <vagrantc> that presumes i'm literate :)
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| 10:01 | <ogra> run mak and you should be able to use the scripts
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| 10:01 | *make
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| 10:01 | <ogra> (you need your kernel headers and build env installed)
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| 10:02 | the ubuntu branch worked right away for me on hardy
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| 10:05 | <Blinny> NAME = Err Metey! A Heury Beelge-a Ret!
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| 10:06 | <x86> what does everyone do for asset management?
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| 10:06 | we want to put a barcode on everything, scan it in, input the serial number + model + make, etc, and be able to destroy stored assets if we retire equipment, sell it, etc
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| 10:08 | <Nuba1> I use schooltool or ClaSS for that
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| 10:08 | well for that and grade reports, assesments, attendance, etc
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| 10:09 | schooltool still needs some work, but after years of stagnation, the project seems to be moving along again
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| 10:10 | but neither of those solutions allow for something fancy like barcode scanning
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| 10:19 | <Blinny> shogunx: Great nick.
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| 10:23 | <Nuba1> what could cause the portmap deamon to take 5 minutes to start up
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| 10:25 | <ogra> missing looback interface
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| 10:25 | broken resolver
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| 10:26 | <Nuba1> network manager interfering
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| 10:26 | <shogunx> thanx Blinny.
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| 10:27 | <ogra> Nuba1, NM wont touch static devices
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| 10:29 | <johnny> not yet at least :)
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| 10:29 | .7 is lookin good now tho
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| 10:30 | <ogra> yeah, i used it for some weeks during hardy
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| 10:30 | but we revrted
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| 10:31 | <johnny> still too early.. but it's gettn there
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| 10:32 | <Nuba1> well, the script I based my fatclient on, purges networkmanager... but I'm unsure where /etc/network/interfaces is setup
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| 10:32 | in ltsp-setup-client?
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| 10:33 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client sets up loopback iirc
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| 10:33 | and beyond that this file isnt touched
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| 10:34 | <Nuba1> hmmmm... then perhaps my ltsp-build-client isnt finishing
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| 10:35 | <ogra> 030-loopback is responsible
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| 10:49 | <Nuba1> so waht do you think, add an option to choose between ldap users and server users? or use only ldap?
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| 10:52 | <Nuba1> also... LDAP server is hardcoded to 192.168.0.254, should it be definable during --fatclient ?
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| 10:53 | <Nuba1> maybe I should ask for LDAP url and ip during ltsp-build-client
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| 10:54 | <ogra> if yu have a proper solution for server users add a choice
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| 10:54 | LDAP server should point to $SERVER and have an lts.conf option to override
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| 10:54 | <Nuba1> my current proper solution would be a cron job
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| 10:54 | to synch passwd, shadow and group
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| 10:55 | <ogra> a chronjob doing what ?
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| 10:55 | <Nuba1> but maybe thats ugl
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| 10:55 | ugly
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| 10:55 | <ogra> well, that doesnt realy help
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| 10:55 | <Nuba1> y not?
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| 10:55 | <ogra> i mean it does for running clients
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| 10:55 | but not during boot
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| 10:55 | there needs to be a basic set in the image
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| 10:55 | the prob here is that system uid's can vary
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| 10:56 | so it can only hold real user accounts
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| 10:56 | <Nuba1> yeah, but generally, copying everything over, seems to work
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| 10:56 | <ogra> thats gambling
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| 10:56 | <Nuba1> yeah, you're right :-)
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| 10:56 | hence my prior use of the word hackish
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| 10:57 | what about pulling out only the user accounts then
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| 10:57 | <ogra> depending in which order you instll i.e. dbus and hal the uid of the hal user and messagebus user will be different
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| 10:57 | <Nuba1> smbldap-tools already does that
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| 10:57 | <ogra> right, you need to pull the user accounts
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| 10:57 | <Nuba1> I can copy that procedure
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| 10:57 | <ogra> and i wouldnt rely on rsync alone but tunnel it through ssh
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| 10:57 | its your password db :)
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| 10:58 | <Nuba1> heh, point taken
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| 10:58 | * Nuba1 is going to look at smbldap-tools and see how they do it | |
| 10:58 | <ogra> so have an ltsp specific account with ssh key who can rsync group/passwd/shadow
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| 10:58 | <Nuba1> so build a new account just for that
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| 10:58 | <ogra> have it monitor a token that gets touched if passwords have changed
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| 10:59 | then it can sync dynamically
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| 10:59 | <Nuba1> but doesn't that require some sort of daemon
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| 11:00 | well, cron job I gues
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| 11:13 | <Gadi> if ur gonna do that, have it push rather than pull
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| 11:13 | that way you can keep the priv key out of the chroot
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| 11:14 | * lns walks in, yawns | |
| 11:15 | <Nuba1> k cron job on server then?
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> yeah - and you can just use root
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| 11:16 | create ssh keys for root on the server
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| 11:16 | copy root's *public* key to /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
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| 11:16 | <Nuba1> ah, cool, was just about to ask that
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> and then have a cron job that checks for password changes, and then cycles through the client IPs and pushes out the new passwords
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| 11:17 | if it cant connect to a client, then no need to update its database
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| 11:18 | just make sure that the client's database has been updated on boot before you allow a login
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| 11:18 | <Nuba1> so just cycle through list of hosts in /etc/hosts for example?
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> so, put a script in the init.d/ of the chroot that keeps looking to see if /cow/etc/passwd exists on the client
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| 11:19 | and doesnt let the boot continue until it does
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| 11:19 | itll increase your boot time a bunch
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| 11:19 | tho
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| 11:19 | but, at least the user can login when they get a login
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| 11:19 | <Nuba1> well, the theory is that since they are fat clients, we can leave them on
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> well, its safer than having a priv key in the chroot that enables rsyncing of password files
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| 11:20 | :)
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| 11:20 | unless you encrypt the chroot
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| 11:20 | * Nuba1 cringes | |
| 11:20 | <Gadi> in which case, you can pull
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| 11:20 | :)
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| 11:21 | <Nuba1> this is complicated enough already... its supposed to be fun... :-)
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> heh
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| 11:22 | what was wrong with ldap, btw?
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| 11:22 | just the added service required?
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| 11:22 | <Nuba1> absolutley nothing... jsut thinking about alternatives
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> ah
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| 11:23 | imho, when in fat client world, do as the fat clients do
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| 11:23 | :)
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| 11:23 | <Nuba1> ldap is far easier than what we just talked about, but... this has the added advantage of not expecting the user to install an LDAP server
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| 11:23 | <Gadi> just make installing the ldap server easy
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| 11:23 | and automatic
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| 11:23 | :)
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| 11:23 | <Nuba1> well, I'm sure ubuntu is working on it... but its far from ready
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| 11:24 | try apt-getting smbldap-tools, to migrate accounts... it should put the files in /etc/smbldap, but nothing happens
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| 11:24 | <x86> I'd like to see an LDAP directory manager for Linux (and MacOS X) that looked as simple and worked as easily as active directory's
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| 11:24 | <Gadi> well, if you want totally insecure, there are tons of ways
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| 11:24 | :)
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| 11:25 | <Nuba1> directory manager... use webmin
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| 11:25 | which I see is back in the repos
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> ah, ill give you one better
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| 11:27 | <x86> yeah but it's still not nearly as nice as AD
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> do the push method we talked about
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| 11:28 | but have the thin client on boot make a request for the push
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| 11:28 | <x86> I've tried most of the LDAP managers out there.... (the free ones) ... and I've come to the conclusion that they all lack ease of use
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> that request can be checked however you like
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| 11:28 | perhaps by MAC and IP
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| 11:28 | <Nuba1> hmmm... not bad idea...
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| 11:28 | <Gadi> and approved or denied
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| 11:28 | that way, you dont cycle through IPs
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| 11:29 | you only dish it out to those IPs requesting
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| 11:29 | and maybe make a cron job on the client to request every so often
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| 11:29 | and on boot
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| 11:29 | <Nuba1> yeah, that part is necessary
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| 11:29 | <Gadi> that way, you keep the security
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| 11:30 | and get the passwords to the right places
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> and no ldap
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| 11:30 | <Nuba1> sounds good...
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| 11:31 | <Gadi> in fact, you could then make the auth as simple or complex as you like
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| 11:31 | :)
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| 11:32 | hmm...
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| 11:32 | tho, maybe this is no better than having a priv key and pulling
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| 11:32 | i think i just put the hole back in
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| 11:32 | nm
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| 11:32 | <Nuba1> hehe...
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| 11:34 | so... conclusions is that pushing or pulling, its the same thing in the end
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| 11:35 | <cliebow> Gadi:thanks for your help yesterday..
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| 11:54 | <Gadi> cliebow: np - what did I do?
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| 11:54 | and did it fix anything?
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| 11:55 | :)
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| 12:12 | <Nuba1> anyone know where the language pack for xfce are located?
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| 12:13 | as in what package
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| 12:24 | <Nuba1> where does xfce get is localisation packs from?
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| 12:45 | <mistik1> Gadi: How goes man
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> mistik1: !!!
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| 12:47 | wow
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| 12:47 | <mistik1> ;)
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| 12:47 | <Gadi> great to hear your voice - so to speak
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| 12:47 | :)
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| 12:47 | crazy here as usual
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| 12:48 | you busy in the good weather?
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| 12:48 | <mistik1> I've been keeping some rather odd hours of late
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> 'of late'
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| 12:48 | lol
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| 12:48 | <mistik1> LOTS of programming happening this side
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| 12:48 | <Gadi> hardly
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| 12:48 | cool
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| 12:48 | anything fun?
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| 12:48 | still knee deep in java?
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| 12:48 | <mistik1> yea, and JS and C++
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| 12:49 | and shell
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| 12:49 | <Gadi> ah, shell.... the crazy glue that binds us all
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| 12:49 | <mistik1> We got our content filter/authenticated gateway in testing at a school board as we speak
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| 12:49 | <Gadi> cool
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| 12:50 | should I send them obsenities?
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| 12:50 | *obscenities
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| 12:50 | <mistik1> heh
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| 12:50 | <Gadi> brb
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| 12:50 | <mistik1> They would get only a nice redish page with our shield
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| 13:22 | <cliebow> Gadi:reboot on the fileserver fixed what seems to be an mfs issue
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| 14:02 | <Intrelude> hi
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| 14:02 | hello
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| 14:02 | anyone here?
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| 14:02 | I installed 8.04 server. I didn't get the desktop, so went through and installed the graphical desktop and now the edubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-server packages
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| 14:02 | I'm new... I click on System -> Admin and I don't see where/how to modify/setup thin clients
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| 14:02 | oh.. after installing desktop and server, I installed LTSP-manager, still don't see anything.
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| 14:02 | also, eth0 is connected to a switch. How do I set up DHCP so that it serves IPs on eth0. eth1 is my connection to my school network (windows pcs).
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| 14:04 | <cliebow> Intrelude:still ther?
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| 14:04 | hmm
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| 14:06 | <Intrelude> yes still here
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| 14:07 | <cliebow> ahhh..you have installed ltsp-server-standalone?
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| 14:07 | <Intrelude> yes, I did the sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server
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| 14:08 | and it said I have both the current version
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| 14:08 | <cliebow> ok
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| 14:08 | <Intrelude> I'm currently doing the ltsp-build-client
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| 14:09 | <cliebow> i am a little out of the loop now..but you should be able to change..hang a sec
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| 14:10 | yeah /etc/default/dhcp3-server to say
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| 14:10 | INTERFACES="eth0"
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| 14:10 | <Intrelude> ok, let me check that 1 sec
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| 14:10 | <cliebow> and be sure your dhcpd.conf reflects the network your interface is
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| 14:11 | be sure internal and external networks are different
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| 14:13 | <Intrelude> ok the dhcp-server has this: INTERFACES=""
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| 14:13 | <cliebow> must default to ethwhatever
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| 14:13 | <Intrelude> i changed it, couldn't save it, says I don't have permissin??
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| 14:13 | <cliebow> sudo?
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| 14:13 | <Intrelude> i have to do this in a terminal?
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| 14:14 | <cliebow> best to..you could open a terminal and type sudo gedit and get away with it ..sometimes
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| 14:15 | <Intrelude> ok got it
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| 14:15 | where is dhcpd.conf located?
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| 14:15 | <cliebow> /etc/ltsp
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| 14:15 | shouldnt have to change ir
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| 14:17 | what address do you have for eth0?
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| 14:17 | <Intrelude> how do I find that?
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| 14:17 | <cliebow> ifconfig
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| 14:17 | from a term
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| 14:17 | easiest
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| 14:18 | ifconfig eth0 works
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| 14:22 | <Intrelude> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:d8:3c:e2:c8
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| 14:22 | inet6 addr: fe80::211:d8ff:fe3c:e2c8/64 Scope:Link
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| 14:24 | in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, I don't see any reference to eth0
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| 14:25 | <cliebow> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:02:B3:1B:DA:82
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| 14:25 | inet addr:192.168.0.254 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
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| 14:26 | system-->admin-->network is a tool to set static address on eth0
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| 14:27 | it makes changes to /etc/network/interfaces
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| 14:28 | <Intrelude> ok, i did admin-> network and set static address to eth0 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0 and router 192.168.0.0
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| 14:28 | is that right?
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| 14:29 | <cliebow> it should default to 192.168.0.254...i think
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| 14:30 | router needs to be like ..hell..ill just post mine
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| 14:31 | <Intrelude> well... eth0 is what my thin clients will be connected to. eth1 is my connectin to the schol WAN. On that I get a 10.13.16.xx address
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| 14:32 | administrator@key-app01:/etc/network$ cat interfaces
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| 14:32 | # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
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| 14:32 | # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
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| 14:32 | # The loopback network interface
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| 14:32 | auto lo
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| 14:32 | iface lo inet loopback
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| 14:32 | # The primary network interface
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| 14:32 | auto eth1
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| 14:32 | iface eth1 inet dhcp
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| 14:32 | iface eth0 inet static
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| 14:32 | address 192.168.0.1
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| 14:32 | netmask 255.255.255.0
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| 14:32 | gateway 192.168.0.0
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| 14:32 | auto eth0
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| 14:32 | brb, have to dismiss the kids.
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| 14:32 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "##/etc/network/interfaces auto" (46 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/534
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| 14:33 | <cliebow> Intrelude, dont paste long stuff here..use pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 14:33 | <cliebow> your gateway is wrong//make it 0.1 or something
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| 14:46 | <cliebow> Intrelude, i am wrapping it up..ill try to look in when i get home
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