IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 January 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:21 | <muppis> beginer, for which distro?
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| 00:21 | <beginer> sir for rhel!!
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| 00:21 | rhel5
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| 00:24 | muppis, sir i got this and i am using it right now : https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/RHEL5Server
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| 00:24 | is this perfect??
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| 00:27 | <muppis> beginer, I don't have any experience from RHEL5, but that looks suitable.
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| 00:28 | <beginer> thank you sir...... it'll take a little time for me to finish it.....now just going through it
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| 02:04 | <muppis> Something odd.. I tried to install xbmc my wife's laptop. Complained about missing OpenGL support, so tried to install closed source ATI's with no joy. Yesterday I booted to LTSP to just test my dnsmasq config. It booted with my htpc/xbmc image and xbmc was launched nicely.
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| 02:05 | <Appiah> so xbmc launched one driver
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| 02:05 | and ltsp another..
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| 02:06 | check Xorg log for which one and check version on xbmc vs your ltsp
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| 02:07 | <muppis> Why xbmc could have it own drivers for gpu?
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| 02:11 | <Appiah> "own" ?
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| 02:12 | there are like 3-4 different drivers for ATI cards..
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| 02:13 | ati , radeon , fglrx
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| 02:13 | <muppis> I think it was fglrx as only which 'supports' Radeon 200M
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| 02:13 | As didn't work at all.
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| 02:14 | <Appiah> so both are running the same driver and the same version?
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| 02:15 | <muppis> In LTSP I haven't installed any ATI related.
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| 02:15 | <Appiah> is radeon and ati not included by default?
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| 02:16 | (in your dist)
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| 02:16 | <muppis> xserver-xorg-video-radeon is installed by default, even on this machine.
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| 02:17 | <Appiah> and which one does X start with?
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| 02:18 | <muppis> No clue. Not at home right now and I don't think wife got laptop turned on right now.
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| 02:18 | And my homeserver doesn't respond to ssh.
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| 02:20 | Sure thing.. DDNS got wrong IP.
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| 02:22 | But what could be problem? I installed nvidia-current to chroot. Client hangs after init-bottom -script.
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| 02:22 | Or where I should start looking at.
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| 02:22 | <Appiah> nvidia? :)
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| 02:22 | <muppis> For my HTPC. :P
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| 02:22 | <Appiah> :D
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| 02:23 | hmm..
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| 02:24 | a recent card? some nvidia cards cant runnt current so you have to run nvidia-185 something
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| 02:24 | -nt
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| 02:24 | <muppis> 8400gt, if I remember correctly.
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| 02:26 | Had to try that one then.
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| 05:20 | <tech_dvo> hello guys n gals
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| 05:21 | a new ltsp user needing some networking config advice
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| 05:21 | <muppis> Tell us.
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| 05:21 | <tech_dvo> thanks! -- oky
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| 05:22 | first off -- client booting is slow -- at 26KB/s then stopped/hang when 'done'
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| 05:23 | i'm using ubuntu 10.10 amd64
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| 05:23 | clients are i386 machines
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| 05:24 | network wiring setup : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWiring choice number 2
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| 05:24 | I am not sure about my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf though
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| 05:25 | i'm guessing it's working because the booting works -- at the beginning though at a slow slow pace
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| 05:27 | <muppis> Clients can't access to internet?
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| 05:28 | <tech_dvo> not even there yet -- because the thin clients hangs even before a login screen is presented
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| 05:30 | <muppis> Remove words quiet and splash from /var/lib/tftboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cf/default and then try boot client.
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| 05:30 | /var/lib/tftboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default should be
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| 05:33 | <tech_dvo> okay
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| 07:06 | <tech_dvo> still have the same problem
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| 07:06 | thin client hangs
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| 07:07 | <muppis> Does it show any errors there?
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| 07:07 | <tech_dvo> no errors
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| 07:07 | just .......then the word done in bold letters
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| 07:11 | <muppis> What it says before those dots?
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| 07:11 | <tech_dvo> it finds the dhcp server then
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| 07:11 | says what ip address is assigned
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| 07:11 | then something with i386 file being copied?
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| 07:12 | I cannot exactly say because the message has scrolled way up because of the dots
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| 07:17 | <muppis> Strange.
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| 07:17 | <alkisg> tech_dvo: distro/version?
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| 07:19 | <tech_dvo> ubuntu 10.10
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| 07:19 | <alkisg> tech_dvo: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default, remove "quiet splash" from there, and reboot the client
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| 07:20 | Also, what arch is your server and what your chroot? i386?
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| 07:20 | <tech_dvo> that's what muppis made me do
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| 07:20 | server amd64 thin client i386
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> Ah, I didn't see any previous chat, I thought you just joined the channel.
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| 07:21 | <tech_dvo> maybe something wrong with my thin client boot?
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| 07:21 | I am using gPXE
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| 07:21 | but I'm not sure if I made it right
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| 07:22 | i managed to boot a netbook with a boot rom -- I think it worked because it's displaying the login screen now
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| 07:22 | <alkisg> So, only the gpxe client is having problems? Which gpxe version?
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| 07:24 | <tech_dvo> is this right: eb-5.4.4-rtl8139.iso?
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| 07:24 | <alkisg> Yes, it's right, and no, it isn't gpxe :D
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| 07:25 | It's an old, unsupported version of etherboot
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| 07:25 | Replace your disk, use a recent gpxe version
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| 07:25 | !gpxe
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| 07:25 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "gpxe" :: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
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| 07:26 | <tech_dvo> ok -- i'll do that -- i'm excited already because I just made my netbook boot over ltsp
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| 07:29 | by the way -- why do I have to remove those things?
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| 07:30 | <robehend1> by removing quiet splash, it allows us to see any errors that are made
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| 07:32 | <alkisg> tech_dvo: your problem is that you're using etherboot, which loads nbi.img, and that fails (known bug)
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| 07:32 | So don't change pxelinux.cfg/default, it doesn't make any difference anyway if you're using etherbot
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| 07:32 | <alkisg> When you switch to gpxe it will just work
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| 07:33 | <tech_dvo> ok, I'll try making a cd
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| 07:33 | <mrcarrot> i am not at any ltsp environment, but i want to check if anyone knows if ldm is reading .xsession
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> tech_dvo: Or floppy. Or usb stick. Or put it in the hard disk, if it has one.
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| 07:34 | <mrcarrot> or is it at all possible to put for one user another wm, that he would have in his home directory
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| 07:34 | <tech_dvo> i don't know how to put it in hard disk since the hdd has windows in it
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> tech_dvo: We've made an "ltsp-loader.exe" that puts gpxe to the windows boot manager. Which windows version?
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| 07:35 | <tech_dvo> windows xp pro
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| 07:36 | <alkisg> Here's the exe: http://ts.ts.sch.gr/docs/docs-software-support/docs-software-ypepth/doc_download/327-ltsp-loader
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| 07:36 | ...and here's the relevant bug description for debian win32-loader, so that they include it upstream in newer versions:
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| 07:36 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=607417
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| 07:37 | You just run the .exe and it puts gpxe to the windows boot loader, as simple as that. If you don't want it later you can uninstall it as usual.
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| 07:38 | <tech_dvo> does that mean I can choose windows xp or gpxe to run when powering the computer?
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| 07:38 | <alkisg> Right
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| 07:38 | <tech_dvo> that's pretty convenient! I'll try that, thanks!
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> mrcarrot: I think, but I'm not sure, that ldm reads ~/.dmrc
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| 07:39 | <tech_dvo> what do I do with the bug description?
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> Nothing, it's just some extra info if you want to read it
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| 07:39 | You don't need to, though
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| 07:40 | <tech_dvo> :) I'm guessing I won't --
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| 07:41 | <mrcarrot> okay, thanks. i will check it out
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| 07:41 | <cyberorg> mrcarrot, alkisg yes you can use .dmrc
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| 07:42 | <robehend1> alkisg: tried out the new Virtualbox version yet?
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> robehend1: yup, it's fine, I can't wait until it comes to debian/ubuntu
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| 07:43 | <tech_dvo> alkisg: is it in english version?
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| 07:43 | <robehend1> alkisg: you use the OSE or the Oracle one.
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> tech_dvo: multilingual, default english, but we *might* have left some greek-only text there. You just need to press "next" though...
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| 07:43 | robehend1: there won't be an -ose/oracle distinction for vbox 4
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| 07:44 | There will be 1 single opensource version + the proprietary "additions"
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| 07:44 | <robehend1> classic Oracle.
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> expansion pack how the call them
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| 07:44 | <robehend1> bet they make USB support an addition
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 07:44 | <robehend1> eh well, it still good for basic things
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> But still that's much better than how sun did it
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| 07:44 | <robehend1> agreed
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> And I also liked the new folder organization scheme, I converted all my old VMs to it
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| 07:45 | <robehend1> how'd it change?
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| 07:45 | <alkisg> Instead of having ~/.virtualbox/disks / vms etc, you have ~/Documents or something/Virtualbox/VM1, VM2
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| 07:46 | I.e. organized per VM, not per "disk / snapsnot / xml etc"
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| 07:46 | <robehend1> oh t hank goodness. finding the right disk before was never fun
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| 07:47 | * alkisg wants to try out the windows version of vbox, to see if he can prepare an "ltsp vbox appliance" for labs with windows servers... | |
| 07:47 | <robehend1> what you mean, ltsp_vbox appliance?
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> A whole ubuntu/ltsp/fat chroot installation in a VM,
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| 07:47 | <robehend1> oh..
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> so that teachers with windows labs can just download the VM + install vbox, and have an LTSP lab ready
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| 07:48 | <robehend1> thats how i originally setup my setup
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| 07:48 | had the Ubuntu LTSP box sitting in VBox, and thats how clients booted.
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| 07:48 | <alkisg> No wubi or partitioning involved. They work with that for a year, and when they're ready they can then switch to the normal setup
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| 07:49 | <robehend1> alkisg: i think i have some notes from when i did something like that, actually, let me see what i can dig out after this faculty meeting
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| 07:53 | <alkisg> Nah I'm not concerned about ports etc, I'm sure all that can be managed. I'm more concerned about networking / flow control problems
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| 07:58 | <tech_dvo> alkisg: the exe file operated well but I'm only at starting ltsp client..... then nothing
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| 07:59 | <alkisg> tech_dvo: "starting ltsp client"? Do you mean that the kernel booted, you saw the ubuntu logo etc?
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| 08:00 | <tech_dvo> no logo
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| 08:00 | the cd iso works, though
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| 08:00 | <alkisg> Did you remove "quiet splash"? If yes, that's why you didn't see any logo.
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| 08:01 | I don't understand at what point you're having a problem.
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| 08:03 | <tech_dvo> Begin: running scripts /init-bottom.... done
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| 08:04 | <alkisg> That means that the kernel and initrd were loaded
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| 08:05 | gpxe only fetches the kernel. So if you say that it works from the cd iso and not from the hard disk, I don't understand how that's possible.
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| 08:08 | <tech_dvo> the cd works on another client same model as the one with the exe
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| 08:09 | <hahlo> does fatclient use swap, and if so where is the fatclients swap?
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| 08:09 | <tech_dvo> i tried the cd with the exe installed -- it still hangs
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| 08:09 | so i think the cpu is suspect
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| 08:09 | <alkisg> tech_dvo: Let's not compare different clients. The issue there may be your network card module.
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| 08:09 | tech_dvo: remove "quiet splash" and paste here the last lines that you see, 3-4 of them.
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| 08:10 | hahlo: fat clients, like thin clients, use swap if you tell them to
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| 08:10 | NBD_SWAP, USE_LOCAL_SWAP etc, lots of options
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| 08:15 | <tech_dvo> alkisg
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| 08:15 | unknown partition table
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| 08:15 | <mgariepy> morning everyone
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| 08:15 | <tech_dvo> Begin: Running /scripts/nfs-bottom... done
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| 08:15 | done.
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| 08:15 | Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom... done
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| 08:16 | * Setting up LTSP client... [ OK ]
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| 08:16 | * Starting LTSP client ...... [ OK ]
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| 08:16 | then nothing
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| 08:16 | <alkisg> Maybe a graphics card module problem then
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| 08:17 | Try putting SCREEN_07=shell in lts.conf
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| 08:17 | ..and if you get a shell there, run: ltspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 08:17 | bbl
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| 08:17 | <tech_dvo> what's bbl?
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| 08:18 | where is lts.conf?
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| 08:22 | <mgariepy> tech_dvo, bbl > be back later
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| 08:22 | <robehend1> tech_dvo: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*chroot name*/
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| 08:22 | you'll have to make it, if you've never used it
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| 08:24 | <tech_dvo> i'll look into it
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| 08:32 | I have a syntax error lts.conf line 1
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| 08:32 | <robehend1> did you put [Default] there?
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| 08:32 | it needs one
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| 08:32 | <tech_dvo> no -- where 1st line?
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| 08:32 | <robehend1> yep, first line of lts.conf HAS to be [Default]
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| 08:32 | regardless of what your doing with it
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| 08:39 | <tech_dvo> alkisg: VGA compatible controller [0300] : S3 Inc. VT 8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266] {533:8304]
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| 08:39 | Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer
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| 08:39 | <alkisg> Try with XSERVER=vesa
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| 08:39 | (remove SCREEN_07=shell)
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| 08:39 | Again, bbl :)
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| 08:50 | <tech_dvo> robehend1: hi! nice to meet you here, sir
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| 08:51 | I'm finally running some thin clients --
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| 08:56 | What if I have different types of thin clients?
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| 08:56 | some works with vesa and others don't?
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| 09:00 | <robehend1> then, you need to setup different drivers for each one, and show that in the chroot
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| 09:01 | good example would be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AtomIon
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| 09:05 | <tech_dvo> robehend1: do I have to set up user names for each student?
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| 09:05 | <robehend1> depends on how you want them to login
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| 09:06 | <tech_dvo> can I just let one class use 1 account at the same time?
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| 09:06 | <robehend1> i'd recommend it, or you can have LTSP authenticate to active directory through other methods. Really, up to you and you renviroment
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| 09:06 | Well, you *can*. However, if your using say, local firefox apps, that can get difficult. Also, they'd all have the same home folder, which can lead to all kinds of shennaigans
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| 09:07 | <tech_dvo> is there a good way of managing these many accounts?
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| 09:07 | <robehend1> ldap
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| 09:07 | <tech_dvo> i heard about that
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| 09:08 | does it have a GUI manager or something?
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| 09:08 | <robehend1> many of them, actually.
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| 09:08 | google search of ldap gui gives tons of options
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| 09:08 | <evil_root> webmin has two nice ldap modules
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| 10:51 | <Ghidorah> Hello everyone. Does anyone know of a way to get a list of active terminals in LTSP?
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| 10:54 | <rpm_> Hello, I am running and ubuntu 10.04.1 ltsp-cluster and I was wondering what packages need to be installed to the ltsp image in order to run firefox with support for wma and quicktime files?
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| 11:12 | <moldy> hi
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| 11:12 | some days ago, the guest login button on my clients disappeard (ubuntu 10.04). what could be the cause for this?
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> moldy: did something change in your lts.conf?
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| 11:15 | <moldy> Gadi: i set LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD for some clients
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> perhaps you introduced a syntax error?
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| 11:16 | <moldy> i am not sure if this is related, though. the guest button disappeard on all clients
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| 11:16 | <Gadi> I would log into a client, bring up a local xterm and try: getltscfg -a
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| 11:16 | <moldy> that sounds like a good command to be aware of :) thx
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| 11:17 | getltscfg -a shows nothing
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| 11:17 | <Gadi> in that case, you are not even getting an lts.conf
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| 11:17 | it is not being tftp'd
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| 11:17 | <moldy> hm, ok
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| 11:17 | <moldy> so i guess i was editing the wrong one the whole time? that is weird
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> any changes to tftp?
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| 11:18 | <moldy> none that i am aware of
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| 11:18 | <Gadi> something is fishy
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| 11:18 | <moldy> tftpd log shows this: Jan 20 18:16:48 whserver in.tftpd[24589]: RRQ from 192.168.0.173 filename /ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 11:19 | .173 is the client i am testing with right now
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| 11:19 | umm wait... could be permissions on the lts.conf
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| 11:20 | now i remember :) doh
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| 11:20 | i set it to 600 after putting passwords in there
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| 11:21 | does lts.conf need to be world-readable?
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> it needs to be readable by the user that the tftpd runs as
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| 11:21 | I believe
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| 11:21 | <rpm_> I am running an ubuntu 10.04.1 ltsp-cluster and I was wondering what packages need to be installed to the ltsp image in order to run firefox as a local app with support for wma and quicktime files?
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| 11:22 | <Gadi> rpm_: the same things you had to install to get that support on the server
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| 11:22 | <moldy> Gadi: thanks
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| 11:24 | <Ghidorah> Does anyone know how one would go about disabling pulseaudio or audio altogether on LTSP?
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> SOUND=False
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| 11:25 | <rpm_> That's what I figured but I can't seem to get the right combination, does anyone have a list of packages or know of a site that lists the specific pacakges? I can't get it to play embedded in the browser, I have to download it first and open it outside of firefox.
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> rpm_: try installing vlc or something in the chroot
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| 11:26 | <rpm_> tried that
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| 11:26 | no joy
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| 11:26 | <moldy> hm, giving user tftp read permission does not seem to work
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| 11:28 | <rpm_> Gadi: What about downloading the fat client image and running that instead? Do you know if that has the support I am looking for?
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| 11:28 | <alkisg> rpm_: try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras
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| 11:29 | <rpm_> I have those installed as well
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| 11:30 | <alkisg> rpm_: and what do you have currently? Firefox as a localapp but without wma etc support?
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| 11:31 | <rpm_> Yes, it seems to load a player in the browser but does not play the video.
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| 11:31 | <alkisg> moldy: ps -ef|grep tftp, as what user does it run? (I'm using dnsmasq so I can't see for myself...)
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| 11:35 | rpm_: do you have a URL handy for testing?
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| 11:38 | <rpm_> I am having trouble with this site http://www.californiastreaming.org/new.asp?error=badAccess&redirectUrl=%2Fstreaming%2FdigitalHome.asp but I can't give out the login credentials on an open forum
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| 11:38 | I am also having trouble on the quicktime trailers site
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| 11:38 | anything that is flash works fine
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| 11:41 | alkisg: What do you think about using the fat client imaged refered to on this site http://www.stgraber.org/2010/01/ ? Do you know if it has the support for quicktime and wma files?
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> rpm_: sure, I had no problem watching quicktime trailers from fat clients
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| 11:45 | !fatclients
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| 11:45 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "fatclients" :: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 11:48 | <rpm_> Thanks guys, I
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| 11:48 | I'll give that a try then
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| 11:54 | <robehend1> rpm_: also, could go nuts and give it the whole ubuntu-restricted-extras package in the chroot
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| 12:00 | <yeedl> any of yall got any experience with ltsp+rdesktop?
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| 12:00 | cant seem to get sound redirect workin
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| 12:08 | <rpm_> robehend1: I actually tried that, I think something has gone wrong with my image so the fat client image is looking more atractive to me because it may require less setup time and better performance at the terminal. Thanks everyone!
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| 12:10 | <yeedl> unsure if its an rdesktop issue or an ltsp issue. a)rdesktop on screen7. no sound. b) regular ldm to gnome session. yes sound. c) regular ldm to gnome session to rdesktop, no sound.
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| 12:10 | suppose all signs point to rdesktop? hmph
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> yeedl: what params do you pass to rdesktop?
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| 12:12 | do you pass: -r sound:local
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| 12:26 | <robehend1> rpm_: I'm using fat clients for that very reason, does a great job
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| 12:28 | <Ghidorah> Are there multiple ways to load balance in LTSP? More specifically is DHCP round robin the only way?
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| 12:29 | <robehend1> i thought cluster could go by load on the servers as well. no clue how though, if it can
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| 12:30 | <yeedl> yea, only -r sound:local
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| 12:30 | rdesktop -f -r sound:local
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| 12:33 | seems like it is rdesktop, if i rdesktop from the ltsp machine (its a virtualbox machine) sound also doesnt work.
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| 12:33 | <robehend1> yeedl: could be virtualbox, since you dont have the extensions installed
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| 12:35 | <yeedl> but i do get sound just fine when i have a normal ldm+gnome ltsp session from a client computer
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| 12:35 | and i do get sound from the ltsp machine just fine.
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| 12:35 | dunna how virtualbox can effect rdp if sound already works on my ltspmachine
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| 12:36 | <robehend1> cuz virtualbox has to pass the sound to your hardware as well, could be the bottleneck. Try the rdesktop thing on a client pc, make sure it doesnt work there?
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| 12:36 | <Gadi> yeedl: have you enabled rdp sound in windows?
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| 12:36 | it is disabled by default
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| 12:38 | <mgariepy> Ghidorah, ltsp-cluster can loadbalance users on different applications servers by looking at load, avalaible cpu, avalaible memory, munber of sessions etc.
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| 12:39 | <Ghidorah> mgariepy: Do I have to use a linux DHCP server in order to use ltsp-cluster?
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| 12:39 | <yeedl_> erm. accidently restarted this vbox.
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| 12:40 | i supose if i can get sound working on the ltsp, clients rdesktop sound would work too
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| 12:40 | <mgariepy> Ghidorah, not really, depend on what you want to do.
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| 12:40 | <yeedl_> alright, gunna head over to #rdesktop heh
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| 12:41 | <mgariepy> you can have a simple setup like: on server to boot and get your configuration and 4 applications servers
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| 12:41 | <Ghidorah> That is what I'm looking to do
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| 12:41 | <mgariepy> everyone would boot from the same nbd image and they will uses different applications server to log in
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| 12:42 | <Ghidorah> Right now I have 2 different LTSP servers
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| 12:42 | where I manually do a DHCP reservation to specifiy which one a client goes to
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| 12:43 | I'm looking to add an additional app server to provide better performance
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| 12:48 | mgariepy: Do you have any suggestions on how to set it up? I've looked at this documentation but it requires a linux DHCP server. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster
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| 12:52 | <rpm_> robehend1: Yes cluster does balance the load but when using multimedia like flash, quicktime videos, etc. with firefox it performs very poorly. I also get issues with sound when I have lots of students logged into the servers. I want to only run those apps as local apps but that seems to be too time consuming so running a fat client is the best way.
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> rpm_: what are your client specs, ram/cpu?
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| 13:19 | <rpm_> alkisg: I have 90 intel atom clients with 1 gig of ram each, and then I have a mix match of about 40 older 1.5 to 2.0 GHZ intel celerons with 256 mb to 512 mb of ram
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> I'd use a fat chroot for all those, with FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=300 MB
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| 13:20 | <robehend1> random question: If i was to copy a working /opt/ltsp/* folder, plus the associated /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/* folder, and configured inetd.conf to match on a new server, should it work
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| 13:20 | alkisg: you can set a max for fat_cam in the lts? wooo
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| 13:20 | er..fat ram..
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> Yup. Either that, or hardcode mac addresses and specify LTSP_FATCLIENT=true/false...
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| 13:21 | <rpm_> if I do this do I even need the app servers anymore? It looks like the system would run completely off of the image, is that right?
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| 13:21 | <robehend1> yours is easier ;)
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| 13:21 | <alkisg> robehend1: about the server, sure, and specifically you only need /opt/ltsp/i386, the others are generated with ltsp-update-image --force.
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| 13:21 | rpm_: right
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| 13:21 | <robehend1> alkisg: nice. redoing a server, and wanting to throw it on a backup for the mean time
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| 13:22 | <rpm_> Where would the user profiles be stored then?
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| 13:22 | <robehend1> server
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| 13:22 | <alkisg> sshfs or nfs home on some server
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| 13:23 | <rpm_> Where do I specify that?
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| 13:23 | the server to use I mean
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> By default the clients authenticate on the boot server, and use sshfs for /home on that server
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| 13:24 | You can change things there, e.g. set LDM_SERVER, or NFS_HOME or other stuff, depending on what you want
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| 13:25 | <rpm_> I am authenticating to AD by way of likewiseOpen, would I just install that on the root server or is it not possible?
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| 13:25 | <robehend1> yes, rpm
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| 13:26 | I've got it on my server, and it runs fantastically
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| 13:28 | haven't gotten around to trying it with cluster, though.
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| 13:28 | <rpm_> With cluster, wouldn't the app servers be doing authentication?
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| 13:29 | <rpm_> robehend1: With cluster, wouldn't the app servers be doing authentication?
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| 13:30 | and nothing else, or did I missunderstand?
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| 13:30 | <robehend1> im not sure on that, to be honest. I'm still trying to wrap my head around cluster. I'd think its whatever server you setup as the root though, isnt it? since thats what your authetnticating into?
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| 13:30 | <mgariepy> Ghidorah, I don't have more documentation then this and i'm not quite familiar with using other dhcp server.
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> mgariepy: is something special needed on the dhcp server for cluster?
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| 13:31 | <mgariepy> no
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| 13:31 | <rpm_> No, with cluster all you get from the root is the image and then you log into the app server that the load balancer sends you to.
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> mgariepy, Ghidorah: Then the current documentation on the wiki about windows dhcp servers or proxy dhcp servers should apply...
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| 13:31 | <rpm_> It makes central profile storage interesting to say the least.
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| 13:32 | <mgariepy> the only thing different with ltsp-cluster is this file : /etc/ltsp/getltscfg-cluster.conf
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| 13:32 | <Ghidorah> So basically I just have a root server that does load balancing
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| 13:34 | <rpm_> Yup, and there is a web page that allows you to basically administer the settings you would normally put into lts.conf
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> And how is /home and user accounts handled between app servers?
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| 13:35 | <robehend1> thats what i'm wondering, myself
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| 13:35 | i thought the homes were on the root server, while the app servers just supplied, apps.
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| 13:35 | <rpm_> each app server has it's own directory but you can link them all together with an nfs share
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> And user accounts?
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| 13:36 | <robehend1> just keeping the uid's the same..
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| 13:36 | <rpm_> each app server needs an identical set
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> Is that done automatically? Or the sysadmin needs to transfer the uids/gids?
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| 13:36 | passwords etc etc?
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| 13:37 | <mgariepy> we usualy uses an ldap server for accounts and a nfs server for homes.
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| 13:37 | <rpm_> you need to create a file for bulk user import and add them using the newusers command (I think, let me check on that)
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| 13:38 | I would us ldap but we already have AD so I have to use it for now and I just don't have time to learn ldap since I am still learning ltsp-cluster
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| 13:38 | <alkisg> OK I do have a python app for user account backup/restore that I could use - I was just wondering if it was somehow done automatically
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| 13:38 | <rpm_> no, not that I know of. If you find a way please let me know!
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| 13:42 | <rpm_> here is a link to a site that explains how to add in bulk http://adminlinux.blogspot.com/2009/03/creating-bulk-users-in-linux.html
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| 13:43 | * alkisg has made a pygtk app for that to make it easy for teachers here | |
| 13:44 | <alkisg> Mass user creation, backup + restore
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| 13:44 | <robehend1> i just make the teachers come to me. It scares me to give them access to the servers
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> Nah here the computer teachers are also sysadmins, each one in his lab/school
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| 13:44 | <robehend1> ah, that makes sense then
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| 13:45 | ours are still high school teachers..and ya, technical skills arent high
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| 13:45 | <rpm_> We are not blessed with a highly technicall teaching staff either.
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| 13:45 | <robehend1> Though they did say that they prefferred the linux screensavers to the windows one
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| 13:46 | success!
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| 13:46 | <rpm_> awesome!
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| 15:00 | <masai47> I am trying to install Edubuntu to be a small server in a school environment (ideally to also act as a LTSP server some of the time) I have 3x 500GB drives and was thinking of doing it as RAID5 but that does not seem to be an option during installation. Advice?
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| 15:00 | <robehend1> does your motherboard support raid?
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| 15:01 | if not, you need to use the alternate disk, if i remember right.
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| 15:02 | <masai47> is there an alternative disk for Edubuntu?
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| 15:02 | <robehend1> lemme check
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| 15:03 | <masai47> I had an alternative disk for Ubuntu and used that to set up partitions as RAID, but then Edubuntu would not recognize it when I tried to install
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| 15:03 | thanks
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| 15:03 | <robehend1> hmm, i dont see an alternate install, guessing since they rolled it onto a dvd, they included it..
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| 15:03 | you tried doing the standard manual partitioning setup for ubuntu software raid?
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| 15:05 | <masai47> I was working with someone who had an Ubuntu variant for small business servers and we were able to create the partitions (or thought we had) using that as a live CD
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| 15:06 | <robehend1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
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| 15:06 | try giving that a shot? its 9.10, but should still be relevant. Sadly, I haven't tried the software raid in 10.04
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| 15:07 | <masai47> but when I tried with my Edubuntu live USB it would not recognize the RAID partion (gparted would crash on start up) and disk utility saw the RAID partion but could not mount it
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| 15:07 | ok
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| 15:07 | thanks
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| 15:07 | <robehend1> no prob, wish you luck
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| 15:18 | i should give Edubuntu a shot again, one of these days. havent touched it since 8.10
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| 17:34 | <markit> hi, I would love to create users with initial name + surname (i.e. a.brown), but adduser don't likes dot ".". Do you think I should force it or better avoid dot?
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| 17:38 | <rpm_> Sup3r5640
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| 17:38 | as;dklfjasd;fjasdfj
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| 17:38 | sorry I kindof leaned on my keyboard
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| 17:38 | <markit> :)
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| 17:40 | <rpm_> markit: Why do you want a "." in the username?
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| 17:44 | <masai47> I am trying to install Edubuntu on RAID and it does not seem to be working
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| 17:45 | <markit> rpm_: is mole "email - like", seems more easy to use than no separator, or a "-"
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| 17:45 | (a-brown)
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| 17:45 | masai47: raid with a real raid hardware, bbu and write back? if you are using "on board raid" you'd better give it up, does not make sense
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| 17:46 | (is "fake raid", better use softraid from GNU/Linux but better have raid10 and true raid controller with cache)
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| 17:46 | <masai47> this would be software raid
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| 17:47 | <rpm_> Oh, we just use the first inital and last name without a separator, guess it's personal preference.
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| 17:47 | <markit> rpm_: how do you manage duplications ("collisions")?
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| 17:47 | like antony brown and andrew brown?
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| 17:48 | I'm planning to use last year's birth date (I'm setting up a school ltsp)
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| 17:49 | <rpm_> with student names we either use their student id or there full name with middle initial. Not the most creative but it works for us.
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| 17:50 | <masai47> markit: I have 3x 500GB hard drives and was thinking of doing raid5 (I have no experience with raid) The Edubuntu live USB I used does not give any options for setting up the partitions as raid, so I used a zentel? alternative install CD which worked fine for setting up the partitions (I think) but would not boot into it
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| 17:50 | <markit> rpm_: what are "middle initials"?
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| 17:51 | <rpm_> the first letter of their middle name.
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| 17:51 | <markit> masai47: sorry, I use proxmox (bare metal virtualization), so I only have experience with "hardware raid", a virtualization server needs very high performances and realibility
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| 17:51 | rpm_: mmmm like Richard Mattheu Stallman, being Mattheu the "middle name"? In Italy we don't have
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| 17:52 | <rpm_> yes, sorry didn't realize where you were I'm in California
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| 17:54 | <markit> rpm_: so every one in the US has a middle name? really?
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| 17:54 | <rpm_> generally speaking yes
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| 17:55 | <markit> I see
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| 17:55 | <masai47> yeah, this is much lower level. I just thought it would make sense to take advantage of the extra hardrives in this way. on more of an LTSP question, I have a computer with a intel core 2 duo processor, 4GB of ram, do you think this is good enough to run edubuntu on a few thin clients?
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| 17:55 | <rpm_> how many?
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| 17:55 | Sup3r5640
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| 17:55 | oops i did it again
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| 17:56 | <markit> masai47: sure, with Gbit lan and not too heavy tasks (no blender or video rendering...)
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| 17:57 | <masai47> how slow would it be without Gbit Lan (the second Gbit network card was not in stock and will be installed at a later date)
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| 17:57 | * markit has to change all his user creation script and documentation, sigh... better avoid dot even if should be ok | |
| 17:58 | <markit> masai47: you need to try yourself, I have no "numbers", I wanted to point you to the most probable bottleneck (you need a Gbit switch too, or at least a 100/mbs with a gbit port to connect the server)
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| 17:59 | <masai47> that is the plan
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| 17:59 | <markit> so start with what you have, you can only improve :)
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| 18:00 | but I would try to have a 4 core, if possible
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| 18:00 | <masai47> Right now I am still stuck on the installation stage with edubuntu and this is the only channel where I have gotten a response to my questions
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| 18:00 | <markit> just a feeling that works better in multiuser
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| 18:00 | <masai47> really small school in Africa
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| 18:00 | <markit> are you in africa? from africa?
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| 18:02 | <masai47> I dont know much about LTSP, but I was reading about DRBL and wondering if I can take advantage of the fact that the clients all have brand new celeron processors with 2GB ram
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| 18:02 | in Botswana as a Peace Corps Volunteer
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| 18:03 | <markit> masai47: ltsp has also a "fat client" config possibility, so programs are run locally
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| 18:03 | with celeron and 2gb ram could be viable and better scalable solution
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| 18:03 | <masai47> yeah
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| 18:04 | <markit> so if you are just testing, give up raid and start becoming familiar with ltsp
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| 18:04 | once you have a clear picture, and done some test, is also easier tailor hw needs
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| 18:04 | <masai47> right now the clients only have 8GB flash drives for memory and they want to install Windows on them
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| 18:04 | ok
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| 18:04 | <markit> why on earth Windows?
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| 18:05 | is a suicide for every Free people, and even more for "poor" countries that need independence and knowledge
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| 18:05 | <masai47> you are preaching to the choir
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| 18:06 | and I have given up installing windows on the clients
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| 18:07 | but I tried installing Edubuntu as well and it wont boot so I am wondering if the school was given a bunch of crap USB drives
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| 18:07 | <markit> btw, where are you from?
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| 18:08 | <masai47> originally California but Africa has been my home for most of my life
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| 18:08 | you?
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| 18:08 | <markit> mm so no windows pre-installed, and they have 100$ for license cost + all the related sofware (like antivirus) etc?
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| 18:08 | me Italy
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| 18:09 | <masai47> no, they were going to go the illegal license route for now
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| 18:09 | <markit> well, does Kubuntu/ubuntu 10.10 boot or not in those pc?
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| 18:10 | <masai47> but, I cant complain, because the only reason they came to me was that they were open to Linux
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| 18:10 | my edubuntu live USB booted fine
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| 18:10 | and it seemed like I just installed fine
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| 18:10 | but once I removed my USB I now only get a read error
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| 18:11 | not sure if I should work on getting a client running as a test or work on the server (and give up on RAID
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| 18:11 | <markit> error at boot time you mean?
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| 18:12 | are you new only of ltsp or not very found in GNU/Linux in general?
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| 18:13 | <masai47> I have been using ubuntu as my personal desktop for a few years, but just as a basic user (and this makes me an IT expert here)
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| 18:14 | <markit> GNU/Linux world is fantastic but is not "point and click", you have to get a "low level" knwoledge to troubleshoot fine
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| 18:15 | sometime it seems non-sense, a lot to learn just to do little, but in the long term is the right way
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| 18:15 | <masai47> Working on the core2duo with the 3x 500GB any advice on partitioning (hoping this computer can act as a LTSP server, and a general file server and proxy server
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| 18:15 | I completely agree, and I find that I have always figured stuff out for myself on IRC or forums
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| 18:16 | <markit> I would install in the first hd, and leave the second for additional storage, and the 3° as "local backup". About partitioning, I can't sugges, I'm confused myself
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| 18:16 | I mean, I've tried many solutions but not being able to dinamically resize and reallocate space is a risk
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| 18:16 | usually I would create a separate boot one
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| 18:16 | <masai47> but I got asked yesterday to get involved in setting up this computer lab, we bought 9 machines today, and they want them at least partially up and running by tomorrow
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| 18:17 | <markit> ok, if you have to do something for tomorrow, install in the server first... at least you can show a shinning desktop full of fabolous Free (as in Freedom) applications
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| 18:18 | then you have some more time to make ltsp work
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| 18:18 | you can try ltsp, and if you want to restart, is just a matter of removing ltsp directories and restart from scratch
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| 18:18 | without having to reinstall the whole server
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| 18:19 | <masai47> what I wanted to do was have a 300mb /boot partion on each that would be linked as RAID1, 2GB of swap on each, and then the rest linked as RAID5 as an EXT4 flilesystem
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| 18:19 | <markit> (hope you have a good internet connection though... or squid as proxy server with big cache)
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| 18:19 | <masai47> iss Master Boot Record or GUID better
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| 18:19 | <markit> you are going to hurt yourself...
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| 18:19 | <masai47> someone advised squid
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| 18:20 | <markit> with 3 HD, you can't have raid1 + raid5
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| 18:20 | <masai47> ok
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| 18:20 | is that my problem
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| 18:21 | just do raid5?
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| 18:21 | <markit> what is your goal? redundancy or space?
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| 18:21 | <masai47> redundancy
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| 18:21 | <markit> ok, raid5, but raid is a bad idea OMHO
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| 18:22 | it becomes overcomplicated in case of failure
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| 18:22 | without dedicted hw has bad performances
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| 18:22 | and nothing saves your soul better than a backup
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| 18:22 | <masai47> either way I am not going to be there to help
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| 18:22 | <markit> with raid5 cpu will work for parity computation
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| 18:23 | <masai47> so, there might not be someone making backups
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| 18:23 | <markit> belive me, you can setup a rsync-backup crontab script to the 3° hd
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| 18:23 | <masai47> but if it is RAID and there was a true crash they could probably get someone out who could regrow the array
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| 18:23 | <markit> with the content of the children's homes
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| 18:24 | how can they tell if a hd is faulty?
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| 18:24 | they will noticed only when the second breaks
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| 18:24 | but then nothing will be recoverable
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| 18:25 | <masai47> no, I was going to have it so it would not boot up if all 3 were not working
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| 18:25 | <markit> well, I will not insist :)
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| 18:25 | <masai47> no, I am open to any advice
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| 18:26 | you think just install on the first?
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| 18:26 | <markit> that's my opinion
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| 18:26 | <masai47> I am just not sure whats the best way to set it up so someone else can fix it
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| 18:26 | <markit> I've no idea of the skills available there
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| 18:27 | <masai47> and is simple for people who have no experience
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| 18:27 | <markit> maybe they are more found in "format c:" command
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| 18:27 | <masai47> not much
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| 18:27 | <markit> mmmm you can install everything on the first drive
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| 18:27 | the CLONE on the second when you are happy
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| 18:27 | and leave inside unconnected
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| 18:27 | <masai47> so just install to the 1st Hard drive and figure out what to do with the other 2 later
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| 18:28 | <markit> if something breaks, they can remove sda connection cable and plug in second hd
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| 18:28 | 3° being the data backup :)
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| 18:29 | I go back to my troubles with a user creation script, I will look at this windows time to time, see you later
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| 18:29 | (1.30am here, and I have to finish tomorrow morning)
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| 18:30 | <masai47> yeah
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| 18:30 | ok
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| 18:30 | thanks
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| 19:06 | <kannan1222> hey guys
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| 19:07 | do i have to install a dhcp server to get ltsp working?
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| 19:07 | shouldn't it get the ip from dhcp?
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| 19:07 | please help me out i am a newbie
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| 19:19 | <cliebow> you will need some dhcp server
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| 19:19 | can your dhcp provide vital info like bootserver and such
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| 19:20 | a lnksys router wont necessarily do the trick
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| 19:22 | whata linuxdo you want to use?
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| 19:22 | as a server
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| 19:27 | <kannan1222> i have debian
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| 19:31 | what are the vital information does it need to pass
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| 19:31 | i have dd-wrt installed
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| 19:32 | <cliebow> are you pxe booting? need to pass a boot image name to you r pxe client..
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| 19:32 | <kannan1222> yes
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| 19:33 | <cliebow> i must stop as i am so rusty at this..you need someone else to help you
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| 19:33 | <kannan1222> oh okey
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| 19:33 | i thought that was the job of the tftp servef
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| 19:34 | <cliebow> do some studying .tftp will do the file transfer after the pxe repsonse passes the filename to request..but
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| 19:34 | again i am too rusty to help
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| 19:35 | http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 19:37 | !seen jammcq
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| 19:37 | <ltspbot> cliebow: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 9 hours, 2 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <jammcq> hey hey
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| 19:37 | <cliebow> !seen sbalneav
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| 19:37 | <ltspbot> cliebow: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 8 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 53 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <sbalneav> That's what I was thinking.
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| 19:37 | <cliebow> !seen vagrantc
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| 19:37 | <ltspbot> cliebow: vagrantc was last seen in #ltsp 4 days, 22 hours, 7 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <vagrantc> some would call it oregon
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| 19:40 | <kannan1222> whats the sourcelist for ltsp-server-standalone
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| 19:42 | <kannan1222> i cant install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 19:42 | someone pls help me
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| 19:45 | can anyone see this
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| 19:45 | <markit> ltsp-server-standalone is in regular debian repo
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| 19:45 | <kannan1222> it wont install for some reason
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| 19:46 | <markit> btw, is 2.45 am here, and I've no much time/resources to help, sorry
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| 19:46 | troubleshooting "some reasons" is beyond my forces now
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| 19:46 | <kannan1222> it says cant find package ltsp-server-standalone
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| 19:46 | <markit> kannan1222: distro?
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| 19:46 | <kannan1222> i don't know if i need to add some sources
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| 19:46 | <cliebow> debian he saya
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| 19:47 | <markit> ok, aptitude update then aptitude install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 19:47 | <kannan1222> debian
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| 19:47 | <markit> the package is in "main" as far as I know
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| 19:48 | kannan1222: debian sid? testing? lenny?
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| 19:48 | <kannan1222> lenny
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| 19:48 | <markit> ok, should be there
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| 19:48 | but I'm not sure
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| 19:48 | <kannan1222> i am using a live cd though
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| 19:49 | <markit> so what do you want to do with a live cd? you will never be able to make ltsp work, I guess
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| 19:49 | <cliebow> you should install
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| 19:50 | <kannan1222> works after aptitude update
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| 19:50 | i have a question
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| 19:50 | <markit> kannan1222: yes, but you will discover that has to build the chroot environment for clients, something you can't do in a live
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| 19:50 | <cliebow> find some pos box and install debian or ubuntu..whatever..wont take much of a box to demonstraat the awesome power
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| 19:50 | <kannan1222> oh oh
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| 19:51 | thanks for that info
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| 19:51 | you saved me from wasting a lot of time
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| 19:51 | <cliebow> you hav the resources here to alk o the guys that wrote all this
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| 19:51 | <kannan1222> okey now i need to download debian again \
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| 19:51 | you can't install debian froma live cd?\
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| 19:51 | <markit> kannan1222: you'd better read some tutorial first or generic info, you seem at too low knowledge of ltsp to make sane decisions :)
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| 19:52 | kannan1222: I've no idea, in any case install testing, is almost the new stable
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| 19:52 | ('squeeze')
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| 19:52 | <kannan1222> whats testing
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| 19:52 | <markit> is the release is going to become "stable"
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| 19:52 | in debian you have stable, testing, instable and experimental
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| 19:52 | <cliebow> testing is one iota short of stable
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| 19:53 | <kannan1222> oh okey okey
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| 19:53 | oh okey okey?
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| 19:53 | <markit> try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/
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| 19:53 | just download cd1 and start from there
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| 19:54 | or try an edubuntu dvd
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| 19:54 | <kannan1222> wow
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| 19:54 | theres 53 cd?
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| 19:54 | <markit> (btw, I use kde, not gnome)
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| 19:55 | kannan1222: you just need the FIRST one, then will download the necessary packages from internet
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| 19:55 | <kannan1222> that will kill my bandwidth
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| 19:55 | <markit> Free (as in Freedom) software is an ocean of programs you can swim at will :)
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| 19:55 | <kannan1222> i am limited to how muchi can download
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| 19:55 | i wouldnt mind if it is like 5r gig\
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| 19:56 | it seems like its going to be much more then that
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| 19:56 | <markit> it's much smaller
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| 19:56 | <kannan1222> hm
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| 19:56 | ok
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| 19:56 | <markit> but ltsp will download a "mini installation" again in it's subdir
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| 19:56 | <kannan1222> maybe i am looking at the wrong iso
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| 19:56 | <markit> 32 or 64 bit?
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| 19:56 | if is a test machine, use 32
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| 19:57 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso
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| 19:57 | or you could go for the net install
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| 19:57 | well, sorry, 3am here, I can't even type anymore
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| 19:58 | hope someone else will help, or better read documentation first
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| 19:58 | and/or watch some video on youtube about ltsp
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| 19:58 | or whatever
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| 20:10 | <kannan1222> why is the debian cd's so huge
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| 20:10 | there like 17 gigs in total
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