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| 12:50 | <gbaman> alkisg: I found the cause of that 30 second pause on bootup
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> dns? fstab? net?
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| 12:50 | <gbaman> traced it through LTSP config files (using a lot of echos)
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| 12:51 | tftp-hpa
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| 12:51 | which apparently does not autostart
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| 12:51 | <alkisg> ...erm what?
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| 12:51 | tftp or tftpd?
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| 12:51 | <gbaman> *tftpd-hpa
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| 12:51 | <alkisg> On the server?
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| 12:52 | <gbaman> yes
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| 12:52 | in 05-getltsconffile
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> Ah, you're using local kernel and initrd
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| 12:52 | <gbaman> yes
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> That's why noone saw/expected the timeout there
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| 12:52 | <gbaman> it is after it starts the scripts in /usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/
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| 12:53 | tftp "$SERVER" -c get ${pathonly:-/ltsp/i386/}lts.conf $lts_conf_temp >/dev/null
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| 12:53 | that line
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| 12:54 | pathonly?
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> Yeah it's part of the code, a variable, ignore it
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| 12:55 | <gbaman> does that line only work if using i386?
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> So ltsp is fine and your server had a setup issue, and tftpd-hpa has a bug that many people +1'ed but is not solved yet
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| 12:56 | No it works without i386 as well
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| 12:56 | <gbaman> is that what pathonly is for?
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> Sorry, really no time to explain the code
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| 12:56 | <gbaman> ok
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> Yes, that's what it's for though
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| 12:56 | <gbaman> why though is there 2 tftp folders?
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> Ask vagrantc, he's the debian maintainer
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| 12:57 | Although tftp is not really ltsp...
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| 12:57 | <gbaman> they both contain the boot files
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| 12:57 | but this one does not contain an lts.conf
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> Right, ltsp does the right thing there
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| 12:57 | It populates all of your tftp dirs
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| 12:57 | <gbaman> where as the normal one in /var does
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| 12:58 | <alkisg> About how they were created, ask vagrantc
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| 12:58 | <gbaman> ok, will do
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| 12:58 | is working nicely now though, https://github.com/gbaman/RaspberryPi-LTSP/commit/c53db39218d7ff7788c06da1adcbbd56609c386f
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| 12:59 | just added a script to restart tftpd-hpa
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| 13:07 | <alkisg> piet: hi
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| 14:34 | <stevecook> Hello folks. My name is Steve Cook. I am currently running Xubuntu 64bit with the XFCE desktop on a pentium D. Previously I was running Ubuntu 12.04 32 bit with a gnome desktop on this machine. On the old Ubuntu/Gnome setup, I sucessfully set up and ran an LTSP server by following the instruction in this website - http://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-create-ubuntu-1104-x64-ltsp-server-32bit-thin-clients .
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| 14:34 | more text following...
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| 14:36 | However, when I follow thos instructions on my new xubuntu setup, they don't work. It all sems to be going ok until I try and restart the server, at which point is gives me a "fail". I have a feeling it may have sometbhing to do with various settings fuiles not being located in the correct folders, but i am really not sure as I am not very technicaslly expert in this. any help and advice gratefully accepted
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| 14:40 | Oh, bugger...I've just found out I've got to go out for an hour! I will leave this channel open on my desktop while I'm gone and hopefully someone will have read my message and may be able to leave some advice for when I get back. If so, thanks in advance.
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| 15:39 | <stevecook> Helo again. Steve cook here. did anyone manage to have a quick read of my problem? any advice gratefully recieved
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| 15:49 | Nobody?
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| 15:50 | * alkisg prefers the documentation from official sources.... | |
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| 15:52 | <gbaman> alkisg: I think you scared him away :(
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 15:52 | It seems that the person who wrote it did a good job... but it should be in a more official place...
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| 15:53 | We do need people to document things...
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| 15:55 | <stevecook> This is the sum total extent of the official documentation (from the link at the top of thus page) with regards to setting the network up prior to installing the server and image - ("Configure your spare interface for the thin clients to have the IP 192.168.0.1 (and make sure it is up and running"). The reason I used that other site is becasue it goes into far more useful detail in how to set up the network.
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| 15:56 | If you know of other official documentation tbhat goes into as much opr more detail with regards to network setting up prior to installation of the ltsp server, i would be grateful if you could sghare it with me
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| 15:57 | <gbaman> stevecook: are you using a separate router with DHCP etc on it?
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> stevecook: what I was suggesting, was that that person that wrote the how-to, should instead come here, offer to write that in some official wiki, so then devs would read it and comment on it. Now, we can't have read any website everywhere and comment if it still works...
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| 16:01 | E.g. it proposes there to both use network manager *and* /etc/network/interfaces, which isn't right..
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| 16:04 | <stevecook> At the moment, the totality of my network equipment includes: A wirleess network router for te internet from the server. At the monent I am not using a wired router for ltsp as there is just the one client and so it is a cable direct from server to thin client. Additiionally, I have previously set up a Virtualbox machine client for testing purposes.
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| 16:05 | It worked before from that instructional, though I am more than happy to concedce it may be less than perfect as an instructional.
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> About the network setup, check the ubuntultsp wiki, it has many pages, with screenshots etc
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| 16:07 | <stevecook> In termsof what my various confoguration files for both the network and ltsp are concerned, they are exactly the same as that instructional, as this is how I did it when i have ububnut installed and so simply did precisely the same.
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIP
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| 16:07 | <gbaman> wait, stevecook so what isnt working?
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| 16:10 | <stevecook> The manaual setting up of the eth0 card appears, on the face of it to have workld as my conkly is recognising it's presence and address. (or , at least was, i have just re-ghosted a fresh xubuntu without the ltsp). The ltsp server install without any apparent errors being logged. Where it become apprent something has not worked is whebn i try to restrat the server for the first time and I get a "fai" flag in red coming up on the tem
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| 16:11 | <gbaman> what is failing?
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| 16:11 | <stevecook> the server is failing to start
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| 16:11 | <gbaman> the entire ubuntu server or the LTSP portion?
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| 16:11 | <stevecook> the ltsp server
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| 16:11 | I think
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| 16:12 | I'll reinstall ther same as i did before and will try and restart the ltsp server as before and will post the rrror message up here. will take about ten mins
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| 16:12 | meanwhile, thanks for taking the time folks
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| 16:29 | <stevecook> hi again, I have set up network and install ltsp and tried to restart p[rior to installing image and got the same error. i am going po post each command and content of each config file in turn and in the order in which I did everything. I'll do it in quick sucession over a ferw pots. so please bear with me for a few seconds.
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| 16:30 | sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
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| 16:30 | # interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8) auto lo iface lo inet loopback I added: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 gateway 192.168.1.1
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| 16:30 | sudo gedit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
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| 16:30 | [main] plugins=ifupdown,keyfile,ofono dns=dnsmasq [ifupdown] managed=true
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| 16:31 | sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server (no errors reported during installation)
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| 16:31 | sudo gedit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 16:32 | uthoritative; subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 192.168.1.20 192.168.1.250; option domain-name "example.com"; option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.1; option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255; option routers 192.168.1.1; # next-server 192.168.1.21; # get-lease-hostnames true; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 16:32 | <stevecook> if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" { filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"; } else { filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img"; } }
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| 16:33 | sudo gedit /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server
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| 16:33 | INTERFACES="eth0"
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| 16:33 | sudo /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server restart
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| 16:33 | * Stopping ISC DHCP server dhcpd [fail]
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| 16:33 | * Starting ISC DHCP server dhcpd
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| 16:34 | * check syslog for diagnostics [fail]
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| 16:34 | That's ;itera;ly it form start to finish
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| 16:34 | <ogramobile> you should never edit /etc/default, that disables the
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| 16:34 | selftest
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> ogra means, don't change INTERFACES="" to "eth0".
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| 16:35 | <ogramobile> right
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| 16:35 | <stevecook> okay will go back and put it back to ""
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| 16:37 | <ogramobile> then make sure to have one interface that is in the range you defined in dhcpd.conf, it will pick that one automatically
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| 16:38 | and run a config test on startup that tells you whats wrong (if anything)
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| 16:39 | <stevecook> I've put it back to "", but still failing when i try and start ltsp. Ogramobile, I am not understanding how my eth interface is in the range I defined in dhcpd.conf. could you explain how i do that please
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| 16:40 | * ogramobile is surprised how well he can type on this ubuntu phone kbd | |
| 16:40 | <stevecook> you can type better than me and I've got a full keyboard:)#
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| 16:40 | <ogramobile> what ip range does your dhcpd.conf cover ?
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| 16:41 | <stevecook> holfd on I'll take a look at the conf file
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> put your dhcpd.conf to pastebin
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| 16:41 | !pastebin
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| 16:41 | <ltsp> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 16:41 | <stevecook> will do
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| 16:50 | hi again. Please find all commands and config file contents here in the order they were executed: http://pastebin.com/QAFsrN3D
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| 16:53 | <ogramobile> hmm, why did you tell network manager to manage the interface ?
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> You have the same ip and gateway in /etc/network/interfaces, that doesn't make sense afaik
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| 16:55 | <ogramobile> yeah
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| 16:55 | is eth
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| 16:55 | bah
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| 16:56 | is eth0 even up ?
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| 16:56 | <stevecook> I have no expertise in the area oragmobile and so have simply followed a set of instructions that worked before. Suffice to say, I am unable to answer you question. not good , I know, but there it is
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| 16:57 | <ogramobile> well, check with ifconfig if eth0 is up at all
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| 16:57 | <stevecook> will do
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| 17:00 | please see contents of ifconfig command output here: http://pastebin.com/Ra5Va9i1
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| 17:02 | <ogramobile> well, as you can see, eth0 is nit having an ip address
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| 17:03 | <stevecook> how do I fix this please Ogramobile?
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| 17:03 | <ogramobile> revert your hackery of the network manager config and drop the wrong gateway from /etc/network/interfaces
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| 17:04 | the: sudo ifup eth0
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| 17:04 | *then
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| 17:06 | <stevecook> Could you explain how I revert my hackery of the network manager and drop the wrong gateway from /etc/network/interfaces. Edit to add: I've just seen your last post appear while i was typing. Are you saying I should execute the command "sudo ifup eth0"?
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| 17:07 | or change that value in one of my config files?
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| 17:08 | <ogramobile> well, revert the NetwirkManager.conf file to how it wad
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| 17:08 | was before you edited it
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| 17:08 | <stevecook> in which case, change it to what? Or simply delete the offending entry?
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| 17:08 | <ogramobile> for the gateway, yes
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| 17:08 | just delete the line
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| 17:08 | <stevecook> Will do, will come back in a min
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| 17:14 | Ogramobile, I've just taken a look though all my various config files and can find no line or entry in any of them that matches "sudo ifup eth0". Can you explain precisely where i am looking for it
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| 17:15 | <ogramobile> that is the comnand you should run after you have
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| 17:15 | fixed the files
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| 17:16 | <stevecook> ah right, thanks. I still don't know how to fix the files though
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| 17:16 | <ogramobile> read the backlog again ;) i told you above
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| 17:18 | * ogramobile needs to go to the grocery store before it closes ... back latet | |
| 17:18 | <stevecook> "revert your hackery of the network manager config and drop the wrong gateway from /etc/network/interfaces" is insufficient information Oragmobile
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| 17:27 | I've taken a look at the network nager.conf and the only value I changed in that was "managed=false" to "managed=true". all other entries in there are exactly as they were before I edited it. Which part do you want me to delete.
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| 18:31 | <calisto> hi Im new in ltsp, not in gnulinux
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| 18:32 | I probe in virtual machine, all ok the another machine client
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| 18:32 | boot and tell my graphic loguin
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| 18:33 | but not boot the graphic environtmen
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| 18:34 | <calisto> I create a user in the chroot ltsp, but I need inatall any graphic environtment
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| 18:34 | ??
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