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Channel log from 29 April 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:47 | <generic> hi all
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| 01:47 | i have download ubuntu 8.04 server edition
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| 01:47 | now am going to make it my kubuntu ltsp server
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| 01:48 | any one works on ubuntu 8.04 server with kubutu desktop as lTSP image
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| 01:48 | hows LTSP in 8.04
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| 02:13 | <MasterOne> Has something drastically changed concerning LTSP between Ubuntu Gutsy & Hardy? Is it still not possible, to resume a session?
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| 02:15 | I really would like to use LTSP on Ubuntu, but there were/are two showblockers for me: 1. Unability to leave the user session running once client logs off & to resume that session on next logon. 2. No mechanism to prevent a user to logon more than once at the same time (messes up the user session).
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| 02:33 | <stgraber> MasterOne: Those two features are still missing, Hardy is a LTS so the goal was to make it rock solid.
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| 02:37 | <Nubae> have u tried 1. with screen
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| 02:37 | might work to allow sessions to run while user is off
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| 02:37 | <stgraber> Nubae: screen works for console app, it doesn't with X software (as the X connection is broken when detaching)
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| 02:38 | <MasterOne> stgraber: thanks, too bad, then I have to go for a VNC setup instead
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| 02:39 | <Nubae> yeah figured, but he doesn't mention what kinda app he wants to have running when session is logged out :-)
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| 02:44 | I need to uninstall firefox 3 completely and make firefox 2 default...
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| 02:44 | how do I uninstall firefox 3 beta?
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| 02:45 | <Nubae> never mind...
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| 02:49 | anyway, looks like its definetly firefox 3 that was causing problems
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| 02:49 | I moved back to using 2 and now no more system freezes
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| 02:52 | <Nubae> ah damn... doing sudo apt-get remove firefox only removed it for my user
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| 02:52 | I need to remove it for all users
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| 03:24 | <Nubae> firefox 3 really caused me problems, after reverting to 2, cpu time is normal again
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| 03:46 | <Nubae> so, couple hours in and still no problems!
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| 03:46 | yay for firefox 2
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| 04:26 | <Nubae> how do I enable tcm in hardy?
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| 04:27 | <laga> Nubae: report a bug against firefox? it's still beta
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| 04:27 | <Nubae> a bug that says what? I'm not sure what the cause of the issue was, just that its fixed by reverting back to firefox 2
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| 04:28 | <laga> just report the issue then and work with the developers to find out the issue :)
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| 04:28 | the cause*
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| 04:29 | <Nubae> ok, like that, yeah I'll try that
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| 04:37 | <Nubae> seem to be some similar reports
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| 04:37 | at launchpad
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| 04:44 | <ogra> Nubae, use italc, not tcm
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| 04:44 | <Nubae> ok, sudo apt-get install italc?
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| 04:45 | <ogra> italc-master
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| 04:45 | the client already runs in all edubuntu sessions
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| 04:45 | <Nubae> righto... did u see my comments on firefox 3 beta 5... it WAS the culprit after all
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| 04:46 | but could be flash plugin or pulse sound, who knows
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| 04:46 | mplayer plugin or acroread plugin
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| 04:46 | have lots of stuff installed, so tracing the cause is gonna be difficult
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| 04:48 | I get a 'there seems to be no italc service running on this computer'
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| 04:50 | <stgraber> is that on a thin client ?
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| 04:51 | education-thin-client-server or edubuntu-desktop install italc-client so your client should have it running
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| 04:54 | <Nubae> ok, it says its already installed
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| 04:55 | and also: italc-client set to manually installed.
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| 05:12 | <Nubae> setting a user to use /bin/false as their shell doesn't work?
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| 05:14 | <laga> Nubae: i thought you were using low-fat clients?
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| 05:14 | <Nubae> not only
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| 05:14 | some are low fat
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| 05:15 | just the high end multimedia laptops are set to use low fat
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| 05:16 | <Nubae> I've also got another minor issue, predetermined size for printing from firefox 2 is set to A5, how do I change this to A4?
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| 05:16 | for all users
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| 05:49 | <ogra> stgraber, eeek, education-thin-client-server is debian edu ... dont recommend it, i dont know what it changes
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| 05:50 | <stgraber> ogra: well, I just did a rdepends on italc-client
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| 05:51 | <ogra> stgraber, well ... there are pretty harmful debian-edu packages with lots of cfengine scripts inside that mangle your config
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| 05:51 | Nubae, what do you want to achieve with /bin/false as shell ?
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| 05:52 | <stgraber> ogra: looks scary
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| 05:53 | <ogra> they are working on it, but didnt weed out everything yet so i usually tel people to stay away from debian edu packages in ubuntu
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| 06:26 | <Nubae> ogra: I'm trying to disable shell access for certain users
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| 06:27 | these users are problem users who know how to create ssh tunnels to bypass the content filters, etc
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| 06:27 | <ogra> right, but switchng the shell to /bin/false only diasbles their login
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| 06:27 | indeed
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| 06:31 | <Nubae> ah I thought it would disable their shell
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| 06:31 | <ogra> it does
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| 06:32 | <Nubae> completely, get it
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| 06:32 | <ogra> so after login /bin/flase is executed instead
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| 06:32 | which just returns false and exits
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| 06:32 | <Nubae> so, is there a way to do what I want?
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| 06:32 | <ogra> pessulus
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| 06:34 | <Nubae> but then it needs to be defined for everyone right?
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| 06:36 | or is there a way to batch process that
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| 06:39 | <Nubae> I've downloaded it, but dont get how it works... I run it and just get something general, is that then exectued for all users or how does it work?
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| 06:59 | <Nubae> pessulus only works on open systems, not user based systems
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| 07:02 | jeez, confusing, now I'm reading it works with tcm
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| 07:24 | <ogra> warren, whats that 755 vs 750 change you did ? thats nonsense
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| 07:24 | (in ltspfs)
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| 07:25 | once mounted use will even refuse access to root for that dir, only the owner is allowed to look inside
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| 07:26 | <Nubae> ogra: I don't get pessulus, the documentation says it integrates with users, but when I go and try and edit any user from the system I can't edit anything
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| 07:27 | <ogra> s/use/fuse/
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| 07:28 | Nubae, sorry, i'm in several meetings atm
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| 07:28 | <Nubae> no prob... I'll wait, or keep looking around
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| 08:11 | <ogra> warren, i'm not really happy with that hackish workaround david merged now ... it seems a lot more messy than just using access() wrapped in a timeout and doesnt fix that actual problem at all (only adds special casing to ltspfs)
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| 08:12 | * ogra doesnt see where relying on a certain amount of layers in the directory tree is any saner than having an access() call | |
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| 08:17 | <cliebow> hi ron
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| 08:45 | <kikin> speak spanish?
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| 09:04 | <warren> ogra: I think it can be improved
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| 09:04 | <ogra> warren, well, it doesnt fix th ebug at all
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| 09:05 | <warren> ogra: mclasen and davidz were especially concerned about safety
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| 09:05 | do you know how to do access() with a timeout without using fork?
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| 09:05 | <ogra> (if yu plug in a usb key and switch user, the new user will have th ekey on the desktop without being able to access it or unmount it)
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| 09:06 | <warren> huh?
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| 09:06 | <ogra> warren, i wonder if open() could help here
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| 09:06 | <warren> If you have a suggestion for a better implementation then please suggest patches.
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| 09:06 | <ogra> i think it sits on a bit higher layer
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| 09:06 | i'm digging
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| 09:07 | its good that it is worked around for ltspfs
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| 09:07 | but the actual bug doesnt get fixed
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| 09:08 | one option would be to check what fs it is and dont do access on known blockers for example
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| 09:08 | but run the access() on all known local mounts
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| 09:08 | <warren> "check what fs it is" is not a trivial thing
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| 09:08 | <ogra> (and ltspfs)
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| 09:09 | <warren> "check if local or network" is wanted by many other things but we've failed to write something reliable
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| 09:09 | it is true that we need a non-blocking access() equivalent
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| 09:09 | <ogra> well, an app responsible for mounting devices should know about filesystems
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| 09:09 | <warren> <ogra> (if yu plug in a usb key and switch user, the new user will have th ekey on the desktop without being able to access it or unmount it)
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| 09:09 | are you talking about plugging USB key into the server?
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| 09:09 | <ogra> thats the original bug, yes
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| 09:09 | no
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| 09:10 | totally not ltsp related
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| 09:10 | the bug is that the system needs to hide inaccessible mounts
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| 09:10 | <warren> Some people might WANT this current behavior
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| 09:10 | <ogra> no matter if they are ltspfs or not
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| 09:10 | <warren> a teacher can make available files to all students
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| 09:10 | just pop-up
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| 09:10 | <ogra> warren, i have been bitten often enough by it when holding talks before we had the fix
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| 09:11 | <warren> If I plug a USB stick into my server, it pops up both locally and on my clients
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| 09:11 | read-only on the clients
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| 09:11 | <ogra> read only but you have read access
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| 09:12 | <warren> This is clearly different than the ltspfs case
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| 09:12 | ltspfs case gives no read access to other users
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| 09:14 | <ogra> warren, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/14014898/nautilus.debdiff btw ... in case you want to suppress mount options in nautilus (not really for upstream)
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| 09:14 | <ogra> s/mount/umount/
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| 09:15 | <warren> ogra: nah, I found a way to implement true unmount
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| 09:15 | ogra: so it will work from the menu
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| 09:15 | <ogra> eek
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| 09:15 | <ogra> and that doesnt break ltspfs internally ?
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| 09:15 | <warren> ogra: it will retain the current robust behavior of handling unplug
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| 09:15 | <warren> ogra: I'm going to try to send the unplug event to ltspfsd
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| 09:16 | <ogra> well, the device is never mounted unless yu read or write
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| 09:16 | so you do a fake unmount ?
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| 09:16 | <warren> or "stop trying to mount" event
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| 09:16 | <ogra> thats totally breaking the cool purpose of ltspfs
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| 09:16 | you could use autofs then
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| 09:16 | <warren> ogra: I'm not taking anything away from ltspfs
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| 09:16 | <ogra> well, you add incosistency between distros
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| 09:17 | <warren> I'm only making the Delete button and Unmount work, because it would be a bad thing to train users to expect they can just pull things on Linux.
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| 09:17 | If you move between a thin client and a real Linux desktop?
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| 09:17 | <ogra> right thats why we hide these options completely
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| 09:17 | as long as you are on a TC
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| 09:17 | <warren> It is highly inconsistent that they need to do it one way with a Linux desktop and another with a thin client.
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| 09:18 | <ogra> right, it should be done the same way as in ltspfs everywhere
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| 09:18 | <warren> but GNOME desktop will never do it that way
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| 09:18 | <ogra> but i didnt manage to convince the world yet :P
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| 09:18 | you mean t will even force users to unmount if that isnt needed anymore because the kernel cares fo4r such stuff ? i doubt that
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| 09:20 | (be careful with *never* :) )
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| 09:20 | <warren> no force
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| 09:20 | it will ALLOW users to unmount from the menu
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| 09:20 | the current behavior will also work fine
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| 09:21 | <ogra> warren, anyway, switching to proper hal/dbus handling fr ltspfs should solve all issues
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| 09:21 | as soon as the session can communicate with te real HW it will solve itself
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| 09:21 | i'D rather go that path than adding more and more complexity around ltspfs
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| 09:22 | sadly everyone wastes more and more time into ltspfs workarounds instead of fixing the root cause (me included)
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| 09:23 | <laga> ogra: who do i bug about merging my changes? you or someone else?
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| 09:23 | <ogra> with proper hal integration we could just leave everything to gvfs
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| 09:23 | laga, for intrepid ?
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| 09:24 | <laga> ogra: into ltsp upstream
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| 09:24 | <ogra> we need to discuss some stuff
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| 09:24 | but i'm still hogged by classmate this week
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| 09:24 | <laga> no problem, i'm still busy with other stuff as well
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> ogra: can the hal/dbus approach be tunneled?
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| 09:36 | <ogra> tunneled ?
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| 09:37 | <Gadi> or be client server in the correct direction?
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| 09:37 | <ogra> Gadi, it needs to attach to the ssh tunnel for communication
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| 09:37 | <Gadi> ie can the connection be made from thin client to server
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| 09:37 | ok
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| 09:37 | good
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| 09:37 | <ogra> and we'll likely need a fake hal or so on the session side that just directly forwards from the TC
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| 09:37 | * Gadi is working towards localdev support across NAT | |
| 09:38 | <ogra> ah
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| 09:38 | well, as long a yu got the ssh socket al should be fine
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> so, I will likely tunnel the ltspfs conenction
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| 09:38 | <ogra> no
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| 09:38 | <warren> Gadi: I understand that some people are using NAT, but it isn't a throughput issue for them?
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> I just worry that dbus would be one more thing to tunnel
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| 09:38 | <ogra> my approach would use hal/gvfs
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| 09:38 | only ltspfs in the backend for transport
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| 09:38 | as we use it now
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> good
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| 09:38 | * Gadi is a dbus/hal novice | |
| 09:39 | * Gadi needs to learn | |
| 09:39 | <ogra> (which currently isnt tunneled)
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> warren: nobody uses NAT for ltspfs yet afaik
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| 09:39 | <ogra> the infrastructure is all there its just that nobody adjusted it in the way we would need yet
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| 09:39 | <warren> ltspfs isn't even the greatest cause of bandwidth usage
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| 09:39 | not even close
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| 09:39 | <ogra> its plain fuse
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> right - so no throughput concerns here :)
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| 09:40 | <ogra> no compression or anything
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| 09:40 | * Gadi wants my USB pen drive to work when I connect to the Linux app server a few subnets away | |
| 09:40 | <ogra> you could surely add nifty little features if needed ;)
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> without having to setup symmetrical routing
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| 09:40 | thats what I will hack on :)
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| 09:40 | no worries
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| 09:41 | <ogra> drop ltspfs and re implement with sftp/scp ;)
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| 09:41 | then you can use the tunnel directly
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| 09:42 | <ogra> i had some code that did xwd dumps for screenshots stored on the clients for some test i did
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| 09:42 | that direcly used scp from an rc.d script
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| 09:42 | <Gadi> well, if you would split out the ltspfs automounter, I m=would consider it
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| 09:42 | :)
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| 09:42 | <ogra> you mean the two scripts and the udev rules ? cmon ...
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> and the daemon to manage it
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| 09:45 | <ogra> what for ?
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| 09:45 | if you want scp or sftp you dont need a daemon
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| 09:45 | just attach to the existing tunnel with the sftp
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| 09:45 | directly from add_fstab_entry
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> no, if you want the automounter to be in an unmounted steady state you do
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| 09:46 | <ogra> you have a udevd running already ;)
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| 09:46 | right, that requires ltspfs
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> there ya go
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| 09:46 | :)
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| 09:46 | and, the merry-go-round returns to the point of entry
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| 09:46 | :)
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| 09:48 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:52 | <Q-FUNK> hm
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| 09:58 | <kikin> help please
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| 09:58 | i speak spanish
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| 10:16 | <MRH2> hi what is i386.img for?
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| 10:19 | <kikin> hello speak spanish?
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| 10:20 | I need Help for install and Configurate LTSP
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| 10:20 | <MRH2> can't i just share /opt/ltsp/i386 over nfs?
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| 10:20 | <laga> kikin: can you read english? i can read spanish better than speaking it, so..
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| 10:20 | MRH2: yes, you can. but it'll be slower
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| 10:20 | MRH2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
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| 10:21 | <kikin> LAga i can read english + -
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| 10:22 | litle
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| 10:22 | <laga> kikin: then ask your question in spanish :)
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| 10:22 | <MRH2> thanks so in a nutshell it is either 'traditional' using nfs OR nbd image and lts.conf in tftp?
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| 10:23 | <kikin> ok
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| 10:23 | <laga> MRH2: i think so. not sure about lts.conf
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| 10:23 | <kikin> Me marco un error el disco de instlaacion de ubuntu 8 cuando paso al paso de instalacion del LTSP
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| 10:23 | <laga> kikin: in the alternate disk?
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| 10:24 | <kikin> no lo apunto pero aparecia un error de Corrupcion de archivo
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| 10:24 | yes
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| 10:24 | si
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| 10:24 | <MRH2> ok thanks
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| 10:24 | <laga> kikin: when you boot the alternate disk, there should be an option to check the disk. did you do that?
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| 10:25 | <kikin> yo hice eso
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| 10:25 | pero alparecer me marco un error de corrupcion en un archivo
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| 10:26 | <laga> kikin: then your disk is broken :) tienes que verificar el CD con md5sum
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| 10:29 | <kikin> md5sun?
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| 10:29 | where see esto
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| 10:29 | donde veo esto
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| 10:29 | ?
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| 10:29 | alparecer fue un error de disco
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| 10:29 | yo creo que se quemo mal
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| 10:29 | mi pregunta
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| 10:29 | es:
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| 10:30 | puedo instalarlo en buntu desktop?
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| 10:30 | 8.0.4
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| 10:31 | what I did was install all components, but now is not how to configure
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| 10:31 | <laga> http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/MD5SUMS - here are the md5sums
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| 10:32 | <kikin> tengo este para mi pc
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| 10:32 | *ubuntu-8.04-alternate-i386.iso
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| 10:32 | ese descargue
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| 10:33 | <kikin> yo puedo instalar en una version de ubuntu 8.0.4 desktop el LTSP
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| 10:33 | ?
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| 10:33 | <laga> si. :)
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| 10:33 | if the alternate disk does not work, you can use the "desktop" disk.
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| 10:34 | <kikin> ok
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| 10:34 | packages that require
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| 10:35 | <kikin> al parecer ya instale todos
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| 10:35 | pero la configurada no me la se
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| 10:35 | instale el ltsp-build-client
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| 10:36 | <laga> kikin: did you run ltsp-build-client?
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| 10:37 | <kikin> si
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| 10:37 | <laga> and what's the problem?
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| 10:38 | <kikin> ejecute el ltsp-build-client
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| 10:38 | pero ahi me quede
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| 10:38 | Me dijieron que tengo que configurar unos archivos
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| 10:39 | <laga> can you run "LC_ALL=C sudo ltsp-build-client" and put the output in a pastebin, eg www.pastebin.ca ?
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| 10:40 | <kikin> eso para que me serviria?
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 10:41 | <kikin> i run el sudo ltsp-build-client yestedar
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| 10:41 | <laga> vagrantc to the rescue
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> kikin: hay problemas con ltsp-build-client ?
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| 10:43 | <kikin> vagrantc
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| 10:43 | ayer ya no pudo contactarte
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| 10:43 | callo un aguacero y se me fue la luz
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| 10:43 | laga
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| 10:43 | ya llego vagrantc
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| 10:43 | espero y el me pueda ayudar gracias vagrantc
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| 10:43 | fueste muy aamable
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| 10:44 | ayer me quede instalando el ltsp-build-client
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| 10:44 | y ahi me quede
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| 10:44 | ya no supe que paso
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| 10:45 | me puede seguir ayudando
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| 10:45 | ?
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> lo siento, no entiendo... solo entiendo en presente...
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| 10:45 | :)
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| 10:46 | <kikin> ok
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| 10:46 | voy a configurar
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| 10:46 | mi ltsp
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| 10:46 | ya intale el ltsp-build-client
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| 10:47 | que es lo que me falta configurar
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 10:48 | kikin: usa el pastebot:
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| 10:48 | !pastebot
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| 10:48 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:49 | <vagrantc> ls /etc/*/dhcpd.conf
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| 10:50 | kikin: copia /etc/network/interfaces a el pastebot tambien
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| 10:54 | <kikin> ok
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| 11:02 | <kikin> vagrantc
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| 11:03 | en interfaces
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| 11:03 | no he configurado ese archivo
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| 11:07 | <kikin> vagrantc
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| 11:07 | esos 2 archivos no se configurarlos
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| 11:07 | estan intactos
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| 11:07 | haci los pongo en el pastebot
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| 11:07 | <vagrantc> kikin: cual pastebot ?
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| 11:08 | <kikin> vagrantc
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| 11:08 | ya me hice pelotas
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| 11:08 | xD
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| 11:08 | <kikin> tengo que confiturar el archivo interfaces
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| 11:08 | <kikin> y el dhcpd
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| 11:08 | pero no se como configurarlos
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| 11:09 | cD
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| 11:09 | xD
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| 11:12 | <vagrantc> kikin: se usted copiar a el pastebot, yo puedo ayudar
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| 11:14 | <kikin> vagrantc como hago eso xD
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> kikin: http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 11:14 | <ltsppbot> "kikin" pasted "# # Sample configuration file" (111 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/518
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| 11:14 | <kikin> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/518.
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| 11:15 | listo
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| 11:15 | esta pegado
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> kikin: no /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 11:17 | <kikin> de la ruta que me diste me dice que no exite el fichero o directoria
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| 11:17 | /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf este fichero no existe
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| 11:21 | <vagrantc> kikin: puede instalar ltsp-server-standalone ?
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| 11:22 | <kikin> lo estoy instalando
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| 11:22 | te aviso cuanod termine
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| 11:22 | va
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| 11:22 | miestras me ovy a poner mi vacuna contra el sarampion
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc> kikin: regresso en 30 minutos
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| 11:25 | <kikin> ok
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> kikin: hola
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| 12:24 | <warren> <hpa> warren: My opinion about coreboot is that it would be a massive benefit to the world if they collectively committed seppuku.
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| 12:24 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:24 | <johnny> hmm.... why?
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| 12:24 | <warren> This doesn't bode well for getting coreboot/Etherboot to work with wraplinux.
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| 12:25 | He doesn't care about coreboot support
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| 12:25 | <johnny> cuz of syslinux ?
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| 12:25 | <warren> He thinks the design of coreboot is stupid
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| 12:25 | <johnny> did he write wraplinux too?
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| 12:25 | <warren> yes
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| 12:25 | wraplinux is similar to mkelfImage
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| 12:26 | I'll continue trying to get this work, but this doesn't bode well for the future of coreboot/Etherboot.
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| 12:27 | mknbi, mkelf, mkelfImage and wraplinux all fail currently with the client Q-FUNK sent me.
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| 12:29 | <Q-FUNK> mknbi and mkelf will definitely fail. they use bios calls.
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| 12:29 | mkelfimage is the only one that would work.
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| 12:30 | <warren> mkelfimage did get the closest to working
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| 12:30 | it actually loaded the kernel on your DBE61C
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| 12:30 | but the initrd decompression failed
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| 12:34 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, didnt you have to fiddle with the Makefile for the debian/ubuntu build ? was that anything that could cause it to break for warren in the default conifg ?
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| 12:34 | <warren> <hpa> warren: wraplinux' own BIOS calls are reasonably easy to bypass
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| 12:34 | <hpa> warren: However, Linux itself uses BIOS calls to probe memory, etc.
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| 12:34 | <hpa> warren: In fact, wraplinux only uses a subset of the BIOS calls used by Linux itself.
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| 12:34 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: I had to overhaul their whole autoconf usage
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| 12:34 | * ogra sees "Required an ugly patch to Makefile.conf.in that really points | |
| 12:34 | <ogra> to a sloppy upstream autoconf implementation."
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| 12:34 | in the changelog
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| 12:35 | <Q-FUNK> that one
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| 12:35 | <warren> Q-FUNK: hpa is pointing out that wraplinux using BIOS calls is only a subset of BIOS calls that Linux itself needs.
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| 12:35 | <ogra> right, i doubt warren has these adjustments in his package
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| 12:35 | <Q-FUNK> however, the code has been taken over by the coreboot guy. now is a very good time to submit patches to the autoconf implementation
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| 12:35 | <warren> ogra: which package?
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| 12:35 | <ogra> warren, mkelfimage
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| 12:36 | <warren> I'm willing to try it
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| 12:36 | <Q-FUNK> basically, the previous upstream shipped a VERY (underline, VERY) sloppy tarball.
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| 12:36 | <warren> ogra: how do I download your package source?
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| 12:36 | <Q-FUNK> coreboot guys imported that code into their SVN before the previous upstream's ftp site vanished into thin air.
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| 12:37 | <ogra> warren, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mkelfimage
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| 12:37 | <johnny> OT question.. anybody recommend a decent XML editor ?
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| 12:38 | <Q-FUNK> but afaik they never got around fixing the sloppy autotool implementation. in the debian/ubuntu package, I ended up having to run autoconf twice, in debian/rules, to get this to build reasonably well
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| 12:38 | warren: or actually, get the latest debian one
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| 12:38 | <warren> * Added -fno-stack-protector to CFLAGS (fixes FTBFS on Ubuntu).
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| 12:38 | Required an ugly patch to Makefile.conf.in that really points
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| 12:38 | to a sloppy upstream autoconf implementation.
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| 12:38 | <Q-FUNK> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mkelfimage/
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| 12:38 | <warren> -fno-stack-protector was needed to make it work?
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| 12:38 | <ogra> yes
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| 12:38 | <warren> ah, that's likely the cause of my breakage
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| 12:38 | <ogra> well
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| 12:39 | it failed to build
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| 12:39 | yours builds
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| 12:39 | (FTBFS == failed to build from source)
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| 12:39 | <warren> <hpa> Linus has said Subversion was the most useless project ever. Coreboot would be an improvement if it was useless; it is in fact causing massive damage to large number of other projects.
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| 12:39 | lots of fun quotes from him
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| 12:39 | <ogra> heh
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| 12:40 | <Q-FUNK> it's not like he has been known for his witt.
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| 12:40 | * ogra looks shocked at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/224259 | |
| 12:40 | * ogra cant headdesk enough .... | |
| 12:40 | <ogra> *SIGH*
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| 12:41 | how did that happen
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| 12:41 | <laga> yay, SRU for ogra :(
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| 12:41 | <warren> which one is hardy?
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| 12:41 | <ogra> 8.04
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| 12:42 | bitter
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| 12:42 | <Q-FUNK> warren: the hardy package is outdated. use the debian one
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| 12:42 | <ogra> very very bitter
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| 12:42 | <laga> ogra: just do the SRU and be done with it
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| 12:43 | <ogra> laga, experience tells that users rarely user hardy-updates to build their clients ... and experience tells that users rarely update their chroots
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| 12:43 | <laga> ogra: so hardy-updates isn't enabled by default?
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| 12:43 | <ogra> i will drown in printing bug duplicates
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| 12:43 | laga, the client only enables whats needed by debootstrap
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| 12:43 | <laga> you should also enable hardy-updates then.
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| 12:43 | <ogra> hmm
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| 12:44 | that breaks on the CD builds
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| 12:44 | so these will need specisl casig as well
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| 12:44 | *special casing
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| 12:44 | <laga> --no-updates ;)
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| 12:45 | <ogra> yeah, but thats getting quite big for an sru
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| 12:45 | and i cant explain how that happned
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| 12:45 | <warren> Q-FUNK: hardy one != coreboot svn?
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| 12:45 | <ogra> i use the ltsp-client-core.install file from gutsy, i'm pretty sure with that
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| 12:45 | <laga> ogra: you're part of upstream ;)
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| 12:46 | <Q-FUNK> warren: indeed not
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| 12:46 | <ogra> laga, i wont pull anything from upstream for an sru
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| 12:46 | that needs to be fixed in the package
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| 12:46 | <warren> oh gah, coreboot's import is only 2.7
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| 12:46 | nothing more
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| 12:47 | <Q-FUNK> aye, but then you're already missing the build wizardry I did in debian
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| 12:47 | <warren> -fno-stack-protector broke the build or wrapped ELF images?
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| 12:47 | +DEFS=-DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1
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| 12:48 | <Q-FUNK> it works on hardy
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| 12:48 | looks at my changelog
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| 12:48 | <warren> how do I find the changelog?
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| 12:48 | * ogra smiles about LP already listing intrepid | |
| 12:48 | <ogra> warren, look at lp
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| 12:48 | its identical
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| 12:49 | we just rebuilt it twice in ubuntu and added packaging changes
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| 12:49 | <Q-FUNK> warren: alpply the debian diff over the upstream tarball
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| 12:49 | <warren> LP doesn't have -5
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| 12:49 | <ogra> oh, -5
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| 12:50 | right, we didt start the intrpid import yet :)
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| 12:50 | <warren> Q-FUNK: any idea what the hex blob change in mkelfimage-2.7/linux-i386/convert.bin.c does?
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| 12:50 | <ogra> toolchain is just being built
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| 12:50 | <Q-FUNK> warren: IIRC it's some ELF header
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| 12:52 | <warren> Q-FUNK: where can I find the changelog entries from -1 to -5?
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| 12:52 | <Q-FUNK> in the debian folder
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| 12:53 | might be a good idea for you to get familiar with the basics of debian packaing, so that you can extract usefull changes from debian/ubuntu
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| 12:53 | <warren> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mkelfimage/ ? which file?
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| 12:53 | <Q-FUNK> in the debian diff
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| 12:53 | * warren points out that "making available" is not good enough for an upstream ecosystem | |
| 12:53 | <Q-FUNK> do as I told you above: unpack the debian diff on top of the tarball
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| 12:54 | neither is "making an RPM". now are you gonna unpack the tarball or expect everyone to chew your own meal?
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| 12:54 | <warren> + This should allow us to host i386 LTSP chroots on an amd64 server.
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| 12:54 | + Please test this and report any problem to the Debian BTS.
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| 12:55 | <kikin> vangrantc:
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| 12:55 | estoy de regreso
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| 12:56 | <warren> Q-FUNK: do you know which revision the hex blob was introduced?
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| 12:56 | <Q-FUNK> nope
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| 12:56 | <warren> Q-FUNK: I was starting at the giant patch from the beginning, I was trying to understand each part of the diff
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| 12:57 | <Q-FUNK> mc might help. the debian port can do a split view of a debian diff
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| 12:57 | <kikin> vagrantc: me marca un error
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| 12:59 | <Q-FUNK> warren: put it this way: mkelfimage barely builds. just about. it would need a major overhaul to become portable enough to replace the old mknbi.
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| 12:59 | the only good side is that it uses zero traditonal bios call, by default, which is why is succeeds at producing boot images for coreboot.
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| 13:00 | mknbi and mkelf cannot be used, because they use several traditional bios services.
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| 13:01 | <warren> Q-FUNK: I guess I wont know what changelog entries match up with which changes, I'll just build it and see if it works...
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| 13:01 | <Q-FUNK> chekc all the file in the debian folder. they might give you a few hints on how to manage to build it cleanly
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| 13:02 | i'll admit this much: getting this to build at all was a nightmare.
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| 13:02 | <warren> we added a one liner patch to make it build in fedora
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| 13:02 | <ogra> yay, warren learns debian packaging :)
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| 13:02 | <warren> which might have not been good enough to make it work =)
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| 13:03 | http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/devel/mkelfimage/mkelfimage-makefileconf.patch?rev=1.1
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| 13:03 | <kikin> please send link for ubuntu 8.0.4 hardy heron + ltsp
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| 13:11 | vagrantc:
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| 13:11 | estas ahi :(
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| 13:14 | <kikin> i have 1 problem with ltsp-server-standalone, i can't intall
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| 13:18 | <warren> wow, I have no idea how mkelfimage managed to build earlier.
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| 13:18 | <kikin> vagrantc
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| 13:18 | <Q-FUNK> warren: by doing autoconf twice, then building with -fno-stack-protector
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| 13:19 | <warren> it is also somehow putting down its own spec file
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| 13:19 | I don't know where that's coming from
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| 13:19 | <Q-FUNK> the upstream tarball
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| 13:19 | it coes with a spec file
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| 13:20 | IIRC
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| 13:20 | <warren> yeah, but what it is doing is totallyi wrong
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| 13:20 | it is trying to install its spec file
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| 13:20 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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| 13:20 | <warren> this upstream source is so completely screwed
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| 13:20 | <Q-FUNK> as I said, horrible autoconf and makefile
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| 13:20 | indeed
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| 13:21 | <Q-FUNK> and the startup code seems ot be a sloppy cut&paste from some old kernel 2.4 source
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| 13:21 | <kikin> Error: al instalar /pool/main/o/openssh/openssh-server_4.7p1-8ubuntu1_i386.deb: La suma MD5 difiere
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| 13:21 | <Q-FUNK> kikin: from CD agsin?
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| 13:22 | again?
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| 13:23 | <kikin> yes
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| 13:23 | <Q-FUNK> bad CD image, I guess
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| 13:23 | <kikin> burned again on CD?
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| 13:24 | tanks
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| 13:25 | <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~$ ls -lh openssh-server_4.7p1-8ubuntu1_i386.deb
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| 13:25 | -r--r--r-- 1 stgraber stgraber 246K 2008-04-06 00:00 openssh-server_4.7p1-8ubuntu1_i386.deb
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| 13:25 | stgraber@castiana:~$ md5sum openssh-server_4.7p1-8ubuntu1_i386.deb
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| 13:25 | 1cdb306d8e71284a898ae618a9ce6330 openssh-server_4.7p1-8ubuntu1_i386.deb
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| 13:25 | in case you want to check yours, that's a working one
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| 13:33 | <warren> actually, I'll just try your mkelfImage binary
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| 13:33 | I'm having trouble making it build at all now
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| 13:34 | your binary will tell me if it is worthwhile to build with your patches at all
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> kikin: lo siento ... necesito trabajar con otra projectos
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| 13:37 | <kikin> ok no te preocupes vagrantc
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> Gadi: you know a bit of spanish, no?
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| 13:38 | <kikin> que termines pronto vagrantc
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| 13:38 | le pregunto a Gadi
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| 13:38 | Gadi:
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| 14:34 | <Navegator> hello?
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| 14:41 | <Navegator> Hi, I'm trying to configure my LTSP in order to be able to access the hard drives on the thin clients, but I think I'm not puting the correct udev rule, because I can access the CDROM, USB fine, but not the hard drive, can some one help me?
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| 14:45 | <kikin> Hi to all
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| 14:45 | speak spanish?
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| 14:54 | <Navegator> hi kikin
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| 14:54 | yes I do speak spanish
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| 14:56 | <kikin> HI navegator
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| 14:56 | que bueno navegator
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| 14:56 | un fabor
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| 14:56 | grandote
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| 14:56 | puedes ayudarme
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| 14:56 | instale desde el CD ubuntu Harly el LTSP
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| 14:56 | <Navegator> Pues depende, yo tambien soy un poco nuevo con el ltsp
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| 14:57 | y?
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| 14:57 | <kikin> hasta ahi voy ya intale todo
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| 14:57 | pero lei que se debe de configurar
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| 14:57 | unos archivos
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| 14:57 | es cierto
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| 14:57 | o asi puede arrancar los clientes
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| 14:57 | <Navegator> eso es correcto
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| 14:58 | <kikin> mi prema es que archivos debo de configurar y como los configuro
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| 14:58 | <Navegator> primero debes de configurar tu dhcp.conf
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| 14:58 | despues correr el build-clients que viene con el ltsp
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| 14:58 | <kikin> el que se encuentra en /etc/dhcp3
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| 14:58 | <Navegator> asi es
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| 14:59 | <kikin> COmo se configura ese archivo el dhcp
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| 14:59 | <laga> if you have /etc/ltsp/dhcp3.conf, it'll take precedence over /etc/dhcp/
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> kikin: copia /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd.conf at /etc/ltsp/
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| 15:00 | kikin: o instala ltsp-server-standalone
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| 15:00 | <kikin> ya lo instale
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| 15:00 | el ltsp-server-standalone
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> /etltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 15:00 | <kikin> entonces copio el archivo
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| 15:00 | ?
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> er, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 15:00 | <Navegator> Pues si
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| 15:01 | ese esta comentado para indicarte mas o menos como es que debes de configurarlo
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| 15:02 | <Navegator> si te fijas tambien en ese directorio vas a tener un archivo que se llama ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 15:03 | <kikin> si
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| 15:04 | <Navegator> para mayor documentacion en como ponerlo a punto cuanto lo desees http://www.ltsp.org, http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 15:05 | a ver configuraciones que debes de hacer:
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| 15:05 | 1.- el /etc/exports
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| 15:05 | hay que agregar:
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| 15:06 | /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)
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| 15:06 | <laga> no
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| 15:06 | you don't need that on ubuntu hardy.
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| 15:06 | <Navegator> luego reiniciar el el sistema de nfsd:
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| 15:06 | <laga> everything is done by nbdrootd in /etc/inetd.conf
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| 15:07 | <kikin> ok
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| 15:07 | <Navegator> Ahhhh, that is because I'm using nfs, and debian
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| 15:07 | <kikin> paso 1 concluido
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| 15:08 | <Navegator> para reiniciar el nfs, si vas a utilizarlo le das: /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart
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| 15:09 | en el el dhcpd.conf:
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| 15:09 | get-lease-hostnames true;
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| 15:09 | next-server 192.168.1.1;
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| 15:09 | option root-path "192.168.1.1:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 15:10 | teniendo en mente que mi servidor tiene como direccion la 192.168.1.1
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| 15:10 | <Navegator> y que la imagen del ltsp esta en /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 15:11 | <Navegator> tienes que checar que en tu servidor sea asi, en caso de que no, pues tendrias que cambiar la linea que te indique por los valores que tu necesites
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> no necesita root-path con ubuntu
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| 15:12 | <Navegator> ok, entonces como se pone en el ubuntu
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> ubuntu usa NBD+squashfs+unionfs
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| 15:14 | <Navegator> ok, puedes ayudarnos a configurar el ltsp de kikin?
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> yo trabajo a debian, pero entiendo ubuntu un poco
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| 15:16 | <Navegator> o sea ya veo el cdrom, y los usb, pero lo que es los discos duros se reusan totalmente
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> Navegator: configurar /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d/*ltsp*
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> Navegator: is the local hdd ntfs?
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| 15:19 | <johnny> aha.. good question from gadi :)
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> Navegator: delete ATTRS{removable}=="1"
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| 15:19 | <Navegator> Gadi: yes it is
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> MODULE_01 = ntffs
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> that probably requires more work.
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> er ntfs
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| 15:20 | in lts.conf
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| 15:22 | <kikin> navegator:
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| 15:22 | he regresado se fue mi internet
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> Navegator: which version of debian, ltsp, etc ?
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| 15:24 | <Navegator> vagrantc: debian =Testing, LTSP=5.0
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> Navegator: ok. lenny's in pretty good shape. a few more packages from unstable with some nice features (like LDM in ~ 13 langauges) still waiting to get in.
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| 15:28 | <Navegator> vagrantc: I'm using ldm
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| 15:31 | <Gadi> Navegator: try MODULE_01 = ntfs in your lts.conf
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| 15:31 | that *should* give you read-only access to the drive
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| 15:31 | * Gadi thinks | |
| 15:32 | <Gadi> if you have that "removable" line in your udev rules, you will need to remove that as well and reroll the image
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| 15:32 | <Navegator> after making the changes I still seeing only the floppy in the /media/user/ directory
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| 15:32 | <Gadi> when you log in on the thin client console, do: grep ntfs /proc/filesystems
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| 15:32 | to make sure ntfs is loaded
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| 15:33 | also, do: grep removable /etc/udev/rules.d/*ltsp*
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| 15:33 | to make sure the changes you made took effect
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| 15:33 | (sometimes I find you have to kill the nbd-server on the server side to get it to export the new image)
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| 15:35 | <kikin> jeje eso es lo mano de no saber inlges
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| 15:35 | jejeje
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> hmm... come to think of it, the module loading may happen too late
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| 15:35 | Navegator: do this: echo "ntfs" >/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules
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| 15:35 | and then reroll the image
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| 15:36 | er, echo "ntfs" >> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules
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| 15:36 | :)
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| 15:36 | you know what I mean
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| 15:41 | <Navegator> making the changes
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| 15:42 | you need to reroll the image, only for the ndb-server, with the hfs is no necesary
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> Gadi: debian doesn't yet use NBD ... so no need to re-roll the image :)
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| 15:49 | <kikin> Navegator: No se que tanto digan pero
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| 15:49 | jiji se escucha chido
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| 15:50 | <Navegator> kikin: estoy tratando de configurar para que se vean los discos duros de las terminales, pero se reusan totalmente
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| 15:50 | <kikin> no pues si esta canijo
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| 15:51 | bueno navegator espero y termines pronto amigo
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| 15:51 | <Navegator> Gadi: I keep seeing the floppy, cdrom, and USB, but not the hard drives
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| 15:51 | <kikin> no te preocupes yo espero vale
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| 15:51 | <Navegator> kikin: como vas tu?
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| 15:51 | :-(
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| 15:51 | <kikin> Adelante yo espero no te preocupes
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| 15:51 | va
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| 15:52 | Suerte aqui estare
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| 15:52 | jiji
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| 15:53 | <Navegator> kikin: Gracias, checaste las paginas que te envie?
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| 15:53 | <kikin> las estoy biendo o mas bien desencriptando por que vez que no se muchi ingles
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| 15:53 | jejje
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| 15:54 | <Gadi> vagrantc: ah
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| 15:54 | Navegator: can you log into the thin client console and check that ntfs is in /proc/filesystems?
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| 15:55 | <vagrantc> set SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_08=shell on debian ...
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| 15:55 | then ctrl-alt-f8
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| 16:02 | <Navegator> Gadi, vagrantc: it is working!!!!! :-)
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| 16:03 | I'll post the changes that was made in a moment
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| 16:05 | 1.- added ntfs in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules, as you told me
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| 16:06 | 2.- in opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d/udev.rules
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| 16:07 | <Navegator> added SUBSYSTEMS=="ide", KERNEL=="hd[a-z]", NAME="%k", OPTIONS+="all_partitions" after #workaround for devices which do not report media changes
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| 16:08 | 3.- in -opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d/z60_ltspfsd.rules added
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| 16:08 | ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k"
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| 16:09 | and that's it
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| 16:09 | Thanks a lot for your help
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| 16:09 | <kikin> uauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuUU!
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| 16:10 | <Gadi> hmm... #2 must be a debian thing
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| 16:10 | <kikin> me gusta la informatica
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| 16:10 | jiji
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| 16:10 | <Navegator> kikin: entra a esta pagina, a lo mejor te ayuda mejor por que esta es especifica para el ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 16:10 | <Gadi> not sure why you would need to coax udev into recognizing the hard drive
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| 16:10 | <kikin> Navegator: ya configure el archivo COnfig
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| 16:12 | <Navegator> Gadi: its because, I have thin clients that have HD and the people the use them wants access to it
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| 16:13 | <Gadi> right - I dont understand why you had to edit #2
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| 16:13 | do not debian workstations recognize hard drives?
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| 16:13 | <Navegator> when you make the change in the udev you force that on the client the ltspfs_fstab is written like you need it
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| 16:14 | <Gadi> that is #3
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| 16:14 | in #3, you tell udev to see any block device
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| 16:15 | <kikin> Navegator: regreso en 30 minutos
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| 16:15 | <Gadi> in #2, you tell udev to register the ide hdd as a block device
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| 16:15 | do debina workstations not already register ide hdds as block devices?
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| 16:15 | this is my quandary
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| 16:16 | in either case, I am happy that it works
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| 16:16 | <Navegator> Thanks a lot
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| 16:16 | :-)
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| 16:16 | <Gadi> just curious as to why #2 was necessary
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| 16:16 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:16 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 16:16 | <Gadi> jammcq: !
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| 16:16 | hola
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| 16:17 | <jammcq> boa tarde
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| 16:17 | <Gadi> buenas tardes
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| 16:17 | and watch ur language!
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| 16:17 | <jammcq> mine's stuck on pt.br
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| 16:18 | <Gadi> lo siento :) :)
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| 16:18 | * Gadi runs and hides | |
| 16:19 | <Navegator> Gadi: I have another question, I use LDM to loggin, but if I put a worng password, the client stop responding, do you know why?
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| 16:19 | <sutula> Gadi: (to pull you out of hiding), I wasn't following along, but if you need an experiment on a Debian workstation, I can do it
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| 16:19 | (just holler)
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| 16:20 | <Navegator> or if there is a way to put a time out when a wrong password is entered?
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| 16:20 | <Gadi> sutula: thx
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| 16:20 | Navegator: does it not reset the login?
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| 16:20 | <Navegator> Gadi: nop
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| 16:20 | <Gadi> or is the client just so slow that it takes a while?
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| 16:21 | Navegator: is this a recent version?
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| 16:21 | <Navegator> Gadi: no, after a while the graphical enviroment shuts down
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| 16:22 | Gadi: yes it is the lastest
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| 16:23 | <Gadi> Navegator: perhaps you can look in /var/log/ldm.log on the client (ctrl-alt-f8) when that happens and see where it's getting stuck
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| 16:23 | then, we can blame vagrantc in good conscience :)
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| 16:23 | <Navegator> jajajajajajajajajaja :-)
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| 16:24 | * Gadi had rewritten ldm to not reset X on things like bad password, but I am too sloppy in my contributions so it was hard to merge | |
| 16:24 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:24 | so, mainstream ldm still resets X on such things
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| 16:25 | its on my todo to be neater
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| 16:25 | but, it requires a lot of energy for a personality such as mine
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| 16:25 | :)
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| 16:29 | <Navegator> Gadi: jejejeje, I'll wait
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| 16:30 | Gadi: the last line in the ldm.log is ssh_chat ------------- Sending pw, and it stop there
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| 16:34 | <Navegator> I'll be back in 30 minutes, Have to get something to eat :-)
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| 16:35 | <Gadi> Navegator: when you get back, try going to the client console (ctrl-alt-f8) and ssh to the server from there with the wrong password
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| 16:35 | see if it hangs
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| 16:36 | that will tell you if it is an ldm thing or an sshd thing
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| 17:24 | <Navegator> Gadi: hello I'm back
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| 17:25 | Gadi: when I do an ssh to the server from the terminal, it work fine, with the wrong password, it just ask for it again
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| 17:28 | <Gadi> Try setting NumberPasswordPrompts 1 in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_config
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| 17:38 | <Navegator> Gadi: Ok, trying it, what those this line do?
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| 17:39 | <johnny> guess.. ..
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| 17:40 | <Gadi> it tells the client to bail out after 1 password prompt
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| 17:41 | I am hopeful we can sweep your problem under the rug :)
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| 17:41 | so-to-speak
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| 17:41 | and sorry it should be:
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| 17:41 | NumberOfPasswordPrompts 1
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| 17:42 | close doesn't seem to count with computers very often ;)
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| 17:47 | <Navegator> yeap, the computer does not understand when something is close enough to a command, :-(
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| 17:47 | We are needing AI for programing
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| 17:50 | Gadi: Yes, that worked perfectly, but before, I was'nt getting the logging failed notice, and now it is appering
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| 17:50 | Once more I thank you
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| 17:51 | <Gadi> np
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| 17:51 | like I say, we are just masking the problem now
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| 17:51 | :)
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| 17:51 | something's buggy in that version of ldm
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| 18:03 | <lns_> hey all, has the syntax of lts.conf changed, particularly regarding X_COLOR_DEPTH ? I just installed a new Ubuntu Gutsy server, same as always, and my thin-clients are getting "Syntax error in /etc/lts.conf line 1" with that parm.
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| 18:08 | <lns_> oh jeez nm
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| 18:08 | forgot [default] =p making sure it works now
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| 18:11 | thar we go =)
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| 18:11 | <Navegator> well read you around
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| 18:27 | <MRH2> hi can someone point in the direction of how to bypass the ssh and client login stuff and just connect over the "traditional" method - must be late but i can;t see it
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| 18:28 | something like a setting in lts.conf
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| 18:37 | ok i've tried SCREEN_07 = startx and I just get a blank screen with a blinking cursor
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| 18:44 | <jammcq> ogra: ping
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| 18:45 | <MRH2> SCREEN_07 = startx console says error then goes to default terminal side login screen
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| 18:49 | <sutula> MRH2: Does your server accept xdmcp connections? By default, it usually doesn't.
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| 18:52 | <MRH2> yep i'm using it with older ltsp
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| 18:54 | <sutula> MRH2: Sounds like something else then...which version of ltsp (and which distro) is this not working on? (On ltsp 5, the distros behave differently.)
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| 18:54 | I probably don't know the answer to your problem, but it will help others here to help you if they know that.
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| 19:01 | <MRH2> trying to resolve an nfs issue now... seems to not mount if the client reconnects quickly - if i leave it a minute it mounts ok - anyone else see this?
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| 19:08 | <MRH2> got it working looks like it was fussy about formatting
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| 19:48 | <MRH2> if i install fglrx on the machine I am building ltsp5 on will these end up in ltsp?
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| 19:53 | <johnny> no
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| 19:53 | you have to install it in the chroot
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| 19:53 | if your users need it
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| 19:53 | but.. gl over the network ain't gonna be fast :)
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| 19:56 | <MRH2> ok let me have a look - do you know if fglrx is just a few files to copy over or is it more involved?
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| 19:58 | i am trying to get dual monitors working and am stuck with coned output
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| 19:59 | cloned
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| 19:59 | <rjune_> johnny: GLX over the network isn't bad
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| 20:00 | GLX works way better over the network then flash
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| 20:00 | it's fast enough to play bzflag even.
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| 20:05 | <johnny> you sure you can't make it work with the open source drivers?
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| 20:05 | they have sure gotten better..
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| 20:05 | i am using them instead of fglrx for my dual monitor system
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| 20:05 | <rjune_> which card?
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| 20:05 | <johnny> x300 or something
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| 20:05 | i can't remember
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| 20:06 | their product naming scheme makes no sense
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| 20:12 | <MRH2> using an x1250 here
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| 20:13 | god fglrx is all over the place
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| 20:13 | <johnny> well, check the support
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| 20:13 | you use ubuntu?
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| 20:14 | if so. using fglrx or any closed source module will end up costing you 30MB of ram
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| 20:14 | on your client
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| 20:14 | or at least that's what i was told.. due to the way the modules must be distributed
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| 20:14 | unless you build your own custom package
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| 20:16 | <MRH2> i'm ok on the ram front
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| 20:17 | don't use ubuntu normally but using it to build the ltsp5 chroot as it seems to be a popular choice
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| 20:47 | <scrapbunny> i am trying to find out what i have to configure for edubuntu 8.04 classroom server for my thin clients to work. can someone point me to current information? all i am finding is outdated
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| 20:52 | <MRH2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/
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| 20:54 | <scrapbunny> thank you
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| 23:13 | <johnny> dberkholz, beta2 didn't fix the mktemp/coreutils issue, so i added a hack to unmerge it
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| 23:14 | i'm doing another smoketest now
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| 23:14 | hopefully i'll be back to where i want to be
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| 23:15 | which still requires us to deal with etc-update for anything changed during the emerge -uD world , and manually copying out the kernel
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| 23:15 | which we should be able to deal with in an automated fashion, but that is good enough for the moment
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