IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 April 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:01 | <MarconM> Hey \o
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| 04:46 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 04:48 | <MarconM> alkisg: good night
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| 04:48 | <alkisg> :)
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| 04:48 | <MarconM> rsrs
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| 04:49 | alkisg: building the chroot =D
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| 04:49 | sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 wheezy http://furc.debian.org/
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| 04:49 | \o/
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| 04:50 | <alkisg> What is furc?!
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| 04:50 | And, debootstrap instead of ltsp-build-client? ...
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| 04:50 | Cool, if those work for you...
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| 04:54 | <MarconM> alkisg: just testing
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| 04:54 | alkisg: xD
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| 04:55 | i ll try ltsp on lubuntu 15.04
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| 11:45 | <J____> looking for help on PiNet-ltsp
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> Check if gbaman is available...
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| 11:47 | <gbaman> J____: What's up?
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| 11:50 | <J____> Having a problem with the machine not making it to the login. INITRAMFS prompt is available but /sbin/init-ltsp error exists
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| 11:50 | all the root files are on /root/rofs
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| 11:51 | <gbaman> Have you checked the cmdline.txt file to check the IP address is the same as that of the server?
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| 11:52 | As described here? http://pinet.org.uk/articles/troubleshooting/boot-issues.html
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| 11:53 | <J____> yes, it connects to the server
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| 11:53 | <gbaman> as in you can ping it?
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| 11:54 | <J____> can ping server from pi init prompt
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| 11:54 | <gbaman> Ok, and you did check the cmdline.txt file IP address is correct?
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| 11:55 | <J____> yes it is correct
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| 11:55 | <gbaman> Ok
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| 11:55 | Can you open a terminal on the server and type ls /opt/ltsp/armhf
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| 11:55 | And is there a file/folder there called debootstrap?
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| 11:56 | brb
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| 11:58 | <J____> does not exist
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| 12:11 | <gbaman> back
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| 12:11 | J____: Are you saying the folder /opt/ltsp/armhf does not exist?
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| 12:11 | <J____> nice so the file/folder debootstrap does not exist
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| 12:11 | <gbaman> Ah, ok
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| 12:12 | So there is a whole collection of folders in there then?
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| 12:12 | (aka more than 4)
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| 12:12 | <J____> yes
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| 12:12 | <gbaman> Hmm
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| 12:12 | <J____> it looks like a full installs worth of data
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| 12:13 | <gbaman> Just to check btw, you are running PiNet and not Raspi-LTSP?
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| 12:13 | (Will say at top of control panel)
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| 12:13 | <J____> that same data can be seen on the Pi but only on the /root/rofs not the /
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| 12:13 | yes PiNet 1.0.2
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| 12:14 | <gbaman> Can you take a picture of the startup on the Pi, showing any errors and fire it over to the support email?
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| 12:17 | Or upload to imgur etc
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| 12:17 | <J____> umm unfortunately not at work
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| 12:18 | I may be able to get clever with a VM
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| 12:18 | <gbaman> So you can't test a bootup with a Pi?
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| 12:19 | <J____> I have it running on a Pi but cameras are not allowed
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| 12:20 | <gbaman> Is this setup in a school?
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| 12:21 | <J____> No but thats why I was attempting it. A possible to solution for a school
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| 12:22 | <gbaman> I need to be able to see if there are any errors on bootup, as by this point, 95%+ of boot issues would be sorted
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| 12:22 | <J____> ok let me see what I can do. I may be able to replicate at home
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| 12:23 | <gbaman> ok, if I am not on IRC, feel free to open a github issue or drop me an email
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| 12:23 | <MarconM> alkisg: morning
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| 12:29 | <alkisg> Hello MarconM
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| 14:14 | <exebat> Hi all
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| 14:15 | what would be the best distribution for LTSP ?
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| 14:17 | <ogra_> ubuntu or debian
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| 14:19 | <exebat> I currently use Ubuntu 14.04 but it has a problem with USB devices not being detected on boot until I replug them
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| 14:22 | I saw @alkisg mention that ubuntu is not using upstream LTSP but its own implementation so I wanted to ask if there is some way to use a newer version of LTSP on ubuntu
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| 14:23 | <ogra_> err
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| 14:23 | ubuntu developed upstream LTSP :)
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| 14:23 | it moved into the hands of debian then though ... but gets synced regulary from there
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| 14:24 | i think you mix somethin up there ...
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| 14:24 | OpenSuSE uses its own implementation ...
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| 14:25 | debian and ubuntu always worked together on the upstream code
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> exebat: where did you see me mention that?
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| 14:27 | <MarconM> ogra_:
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| 14:28 | he mention that he uses debian
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| 14:28 | <ogra_> MarconM, i know what alkisg uses :)
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| 14:28 | <alkisg> Who uses debian?
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| 14:28 | <MarconM> Me
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| 14:28 | * alkisg wonders how these people got these impressions... | |
| 14:29 | <MarconM> kkkkk
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| 14:29 | <ogra_> haha
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| 14:29 | <MarconM> alkisg: .. sorry was val*
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| 14:29 | * MarconM fill shame | |
| 14:29 | <alkisg> vagrantc is the debian ltsp maintainer, yes
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| 14:29 | <MarconM> alkisg:
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| 14:29 | a couple days ... did u say that my problem with that files .. that are missing
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| 14:30 | pxelinux.0 bla bla
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| 14:30 | was easy too fix
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> All your ltsp problems are easy to fix, except for one...
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| 14:30 | ...that you can't decide what you want to use :)
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| 14:31 | <MarconM> alkisg: i want to use lubuntu
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> exebat: about usb devices, use a newer kernel
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| 14:31 | Although I'm not sure if it's an ubuntu-specific bug, of a version-specific bug
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| 14:32 | ...but I did try with a vanilla 4.0 kernel and the replug issue wasn't there
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> MarconM: then do use lubuntu, get the 14.04 CD and install it
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| 14:32 | <MarconM> i did
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| 14:32 | but i cant boot
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> Do you have it installed now?
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| 14:32 | <MarconM> tftp is not downloaing pxelinux*
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| 14:33 | so .. cant boot
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| 14:33 | i search a lot of blogs tutorial on google.com ... about that and nothing
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> Read my last sentence...
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| 14:33 | <exebat> Can you help me with the kernel issue ?
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> exebat: #ubuntu-kernel is the place for that
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| 14:34 | <exebat> Should I update the kernel on host and then update the image ?
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> They'll walk you through what's needed to pinpoint the issue
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| 14:34 | exebat: no, you should reproduce the problem without ltsp
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| 14:34 | <MarconM> alkisg: i formated .. i wll install again
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> E.g. with a usb stick or disk on the client that has the issue
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| 14:34 | MarconM: please stop talking to me about previous installations, you did that 10 times already
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| 14:35 | If you want my help, ping me when you have the issue at hand
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| 14:35 | <MarconM> alkisg: i have .... i just asking .. coz i mention that once
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| 14:35 | <exebat> All the clients have the same issue since I installed 14.04 - it worked just fine on 12.04 on all clients :(
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| 14:35 | <MarconM> i have 10 instalation lubuntu ... but now i am home
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| 14:35 | a few hours ago .. i was on job
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| 14:35 | i ping u .. but i dind answers
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| 14:35 | sorry
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> exebat: I had that issue too but on a remote pc that I couldn't provide good feedback for bug reports
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| 14:36 | exebat: do contact the #ubuntu-kernel folks, your issue is quite common
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| 14:36 | MarconM: as I copy/pasted yesterday, I did answer even 5 days ago, but then you left
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| 14:36 | See the irc logs
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| 14:36 | <MarconM> ok
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> (03:23:29 μμ) MarconM: alkisg: morning
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| 14:37 | (03:29:36 μμ) alkisg: Hello MarconM
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| 14:37 | This was "a few hours ago"
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| 14:37 | Then you left again
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| 14:38 | <MarconM> alkisg: my work .. the internet is not good "10kb/s"
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| 14:38 | and fall all the time
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| 14:38 | <exebat> @alkisg just one more question - what version of ubuntu/debian do you recommend as most stable for ltsp ?
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| 14:38 | <alkisg> MarconM: ok, just don't tell me that I didn't answer
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| 14:39 | <MarconM> i took the HD and bring to my home .. to install here
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> exebat: debian jessie, ubuntu gnome-flashback 12.04, ubuntu mate 14.04.2...
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| 14:39 | <MarconM> alkisg: ok .. u are right
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> Err, for 12.04 you'd also need our greek schools ppa
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| 14:40 | <MarconM> alkisg: lubuntu 14.04 ok ?
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| 14:41 | ops .. 14.10 alternative
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| 14:41 | amd64
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| 14:42 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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| 14:42 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> MarconM: use 14.04 i386 and that one ^
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| 14:43 | The desktop cd
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| 14:43 | <MarconM> ok
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| 14:44 | <exebat> One more thing - do you maybe know what error: unexpectedly disconnected from boot status daemon means ?
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| 14:45 | <alkisg> exebat: ignore that, it's plymouth not terminating like it wants
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| 14:46 | <exebat> but my clients wont boot - just installed clean 12.04 with epoptes and created image and I get this :|
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| 14:46 | and Gave up waiting for root device
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| 14:46 | <alkisg> Are you using the greek schools ppa?
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| 14:47 | !greek-schools
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| 14:47 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'greek-schools', but I do know about these similar topics: 'greek-schools-ppa'
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> !greek-schools-ppa
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| 14:47 | <ltsp> greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
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| 14:47 | <exebat> yes
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| 14:47 | and ltsp-pnp
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> What version?
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| 14:47 | Err sorry, kernel version
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| 14:48 | 3.2 or 3.13?
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| 14:48 | <MarconM> alkisg: what is pnp version
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| 14:49 | <alkisg> MarconM: read the link I gave you
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| 14:49 | <MarconM> pnp version doenst download ...
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| 14:49 | it clone the actual install
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| 14:49 | <exebat> 3.11.0-15 generic
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| 14:49 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 14:50 | exebat: install 3.13, i.e. linux-hwe-generic
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| 14:51 | bbiab
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| 14:51 | <exebat> I will try now - thanks a lot
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| 18:25 | <MarconM> exebat:
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| 18:28 | <exebat> yes ?
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| 18:28 | Does anyone knows what might be the problem with "/dev/ndb0 does not exist"
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| 18:29 | fresh 12.04 installation (tried 2 times)
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| 18:29 | ltsp-pnp
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| 18:44 | <MarconM> exebat: sorry i wanst here
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| 18:44 | exebat: are u trying on 12.04
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| 18:44 | is LTS ?
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| 18:44 | i am trying on lubuntu 14.04 amd64
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| 18:56 | <exebat> use x86 version or i386
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| 19:03 | <MarconM> exebat: the build is on i386
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| 19:03 | i got a error
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| 19:04 | :'(
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| 19:39 | <exebat> I did one more clean install and I still have the same problem :(
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| 20:10 | <vsuojanen> exebat did you ltsp-build-client ? do you use nbdroot in kernel cmdline?
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| 20:11 | don't reinstall everytime you hit problem. it's not windows
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| 20:17 | the nbd0 is created somewhere in initramfs scripts before the nbdroot is mounted there in the nbd0. you have something wrong in kerne/initrd params or in the initramfs. i think so
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| 23:36 | <MarconM> exebat:
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| 23:36 | are u there
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