IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 October 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:00 | * work_alkisg has updated https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ldm-trunk/+translations-settings to export translations to lp:ltsp/ldm-trunk | |
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| 03:00 | <alkisg> ...about to do the opposite with ltsp-trunk...
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| 03:01 | ...done, let's see how the translations commits are affected
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| 03:01 | !tag
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| 03:01 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'tag', but I do know about these similar topics: 'test', 'tftp'
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| 03:03 | <alkisg> !learn tag as devs: before tagging a new ltsp version, remember to have launchpad export translations to the branch: https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/+translations-settings
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| 03:03 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 03:18 | <alkisg> Hey willianmazzardo
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| 03:18 | <willianmazzardo> alkisg, hi ;)
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| 03:18 | still wake ?
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| 03:18 | <alkisg> Did you make your local /home/username?
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| 03:18 | Not still... just awake :)
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| 03:19 | * alkisg is an early bird | |
| 03:25 | <willianmazzardo> ehehehe
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| 03:25 | so … i've made for one user /home locally … but she did the test just for one day
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| 03:26 | monday i will put in test for 3 users
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| 03:27 | i`d made test linking just PRINTERS directory from .wine/drive_c/windows/system32/spool locally, but problem remains :S
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| 03:28 | <alkisg> Since the problem was more frequent with sshfs, less with nfs, and even less with local /home, I believe it's some race condition...
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| 03:29 | <willianmazzardo> so … I have 2 directions … Or I make /home locally for all users under ltsp environment and they will put their files under NFS share to not lose any modification
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| 03:29 | or … i dont know :D
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| 03:30 | <alkisg> Isn't ~/home/.wine enough?
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| 03:30 | If it needs all of /home/username, and /home/username/.wine isn't enough... then... something else goes wrong
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| 03:30 | <willianmazzardo> but in .wine directory I have drive_c/user/%NAME_OF_USER%/Application DATA
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| 03:31 | application data directory is where my main application is in
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| 03:31 | <alkisg> Try with only /home/username/.wine to be local. If it works, you can start ...bisecting it until we see exactly what part needs to be local.
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| 03:31 | <willianmazzardo> sure … I will do this test
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| 03:31 | but just on monday
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| 05:33 | <alkisg> Hmm there are many dbus-activated services that we should disable on ltsp clients too...
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| 05:44 | ...why LOCAL_APPS has a dash and LOCALDEVS doesn't?
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| 07:15 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, underscore... and I have no idea. :P
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| 07:21 | <vagrantc> LOCALDEV is also singular, whereas LOCAL_APPS is plural
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| 07:21 | the consistancy is in the inconsistancies
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> ...then LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS should have an underscore too :P
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| 14:08 | <Elico> hey there I wanted to understand couple things, anyone?
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> !ask | echo Elico:
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| 15:00 | <ltsp> Elico: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 15:02 | <Elico> ltsp: sorry.. last day it was 3 people on the channel..
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| 15:03 | <Elico> OK so I want to first understand what LTSP is for? let say I want 1 server with 30 users to work on libreoffice and the clients should be terminal clients... (small CPU small RAM no disk) is this waht LTSP meant for?
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| 15:03 | what*
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> LTSP is for maintaining 1 server that serves 30 diskless PCs instead of 31 PCs
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| 15:04 | It can be used for old PCs (ltsp thin clients) and for new PCs too (ltsp fat clients)
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| 15:04 | <Elico> hoo nice !
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> small cpu ==> needs >= 128 MB RAM
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| 15:05 | <Elico> fat and thin clients but who is the main CPU consumer? or it could decide on spot?
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| 15:05 | OK
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| 15:05 | <alkisg> Clients with <= 400 MB usually are used as thin, using the cpu of the server
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| 15:05 | >= 400, they're used as fat, using their own CPU
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| 15:05 | What are your client specs?
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| 15:06 | <Elico> I have 1 celeron 2.4 with 256 MB ram
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| 15:06 | and a server with 2 cores 2gb ram and I can add later on to 4+ GB ram
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> 1 client only?
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| 15:06 | <Elico> not exactly..
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| 15:07 | I had a situation that had 266mhz 30 clients.. with 128 MB ram
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> That's the lowest specs for thin clients. They'll work, and load libreoffice and firefox and all, but will be slow.
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| 15:08 | Better get a good server for 30 clients... i7 preferrably
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| 15:08 | <Elico> OK
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| 15:08 | and now about the software level
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> Check its cpu in cpubenchmark.net, and see that it has a decent score, e.g. 3000+
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| 15:08 | <Elico> OK
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| 15:09 | now what protocol is being used to see the libreoffice running on the server??
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| 15:09 | on the server it's very simple to manage users with passwords etc..
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> It's managed by LTSP, the protocol is "X windows"
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| 15:10 | <Elico> OK this is the firs thing I wanted to know.
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> It's using a display manager called LDM, ssh for authentication, and remote X for transferring the display
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| 15:11 | <Elico> OK so SSH should be used with a simple cihper right?
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> You don't need to worry about setting it up, it's all automatically set
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| 15:11 | !docs
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| 15:11 | <ltsp> docs: For the latest community documentation, see the LTSP wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/ For a PDF with official documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 15:11 | <Elico> alkisg: I want to understand it rather then just put it in place..
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> Elico: read the pdf for a good start in understanding it
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| 15:13 | IRC is good for solving specific questions, but not for replicating the docs for each new member that tries to understand ltsp :)
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| 15:15 | <Elico> alkisg: it is also good if someone wants to be there and that the answer will right in place for the question in mind rather a "book" or "doc" that answers allll the questions except the ones that you really have ;)
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| 15:15 | <alkisg> True, but that wasn't 1 question above :)
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| 15:18 | <Elico> alkisg: it's not the number that I pointed at and you are right!
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> np, if you have specific questions feel free to ask again whatever you need
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| 15:20 | <Elico> thanks!
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| 15:21 | * markit fascinated by "You don't need to worry about setting it up, it's all automatically set", should have missed something | |
| 15:22 | <Elico> markit: the main issue Is that I tried the Fedora ISO but it's Fedora 10 while the world had already gotten to libreoffice 4 If I am not wrong.
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> LTSP isn't maintained very actively in Fedora... better try some .deb-based distro
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| 15:23 | <Elico> hmm OK this is another thing.
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| 15:23 | do you have any suggestion on a specific one? edubuntu?mint?raw debian?
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> edubuntu is fine, plain ubuntu is fine, debian is fine, mint support is starting but not released yet
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| 16:34 | <edwin__> question here
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| 16:34 | I installed edubuntu with ltsp
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| 16:34 | installed firefox and flashplugin-installer in the chroot
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| 16:35 | youtube videos wants to load but it just stays there
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| 16:35 | like 1 second video and thats it
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| 16:35 | I am trying to install greasemonkey and it says firefox cannot modified some files
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| 17:41 | <Yudh> Dumb question number 1 - does the setup have to have access to 2 networks - one for the Internet and the other for LAN?
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| 17:46 | <Yudh> Dumb question number 2 - Has ANYONE gotten LTSP to work? EVER? I tried with Ubuntu a couple of years ago and lost 6 weeks of my life. Now I'm back and the adventures with OpenSUSE
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| 17:46 | are proving to be similar
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| 17:46 | oh the nightmares
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| 17:47 | <expert LTSP-er> LTSP is Microsoft in disguise, we don't actually have a working product
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| 17:47 | oh, then what's all the noise about
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| 17:47 | <expert LTSP-er> That's just it, it is all noise
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| 17:48 | <expert LTSP-er> You expect LTSP to WORK?
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| 17:48 | eh... yes
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| 17:53 | <Yudh> <expert LTSP-er>Hey! who are you and who do you think you are and what do you think you are doing here? whoever you are?
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| 17:53 | I'm just someone who wants to get LTSP working, now get this, at a school - NOTHING LESS!
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| 17:54 | Go back to the country you came from LTSP!
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| 17:54 | <expert LTSP-er> We happen to be in all countries
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| 17:54 | so are flies, but that does not make them welcome
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| 17:54 | <expert LTSP-er> why don't you go back to your country!
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| 17:55 | The world is my toilet
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| 17:55 | <expert LTSP-er> WHAAAAT?
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| 17:55 | You shutdown the government you tea partier!
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| 17:55 | <expert LTSP-er> who me, I'm an incompetent LTSP expert
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| 17:56 | now that is an oxymoron
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| 17:56 | Is this IRC channel made for just the two of us?
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| 17:57 | <expert LTSP-er>No you numbskul, the government is also snooping in
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| 17:57 | that would make 2 of us who don't know how to get LTSP going
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| 17:58 | <expert LTSP-er>wait, then who is Elico, I thought the feds don't announce themselves?
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| 17:58 | that's my alter-ego
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| 17:58 | get it, alter-ego, Elico?
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| 17:59 | <expert LTSP-er> Sorry Elico, this guy is having a boring weekend and getting his kicks here
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| 17:59 | No, I'm trying to get LTSP going
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| 17:59 | <expert LTSP-er>going going .... gone!
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| 17:59 | <expert LTSP-er>get outta here!
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| 17:59 | who, me no!
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| 18:13 | <Phantomas> wtf?
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| 18:20 | <alkisg> Wow, it appears that we need to make the ltsp installer a lot easier, for the sake of people's sanity... :)
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| 19:24 | <Elico> alkisg: I am with you!
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| 19:26 | alkisg: I would say that I want to read the PDF and send a feedback... is there any option like this?
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| 19:28 | <alkisg> Sure, you could even file a bug report in ltsp-docs if needed
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| 20:12 | <Elico> OK thanks will read later on probbly
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> Phantomas: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/changes
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| 20:30 | The translation commits were disabled for months, and I temporarily enabled them yesterday...
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| 20:30 | So just 1 commit :)
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| 20:32 | <Phantomas> nice
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| 20:33 | we should do that in epoptes too
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| 21:33 | <Hyperbyte> I especially like the part where he says "get outta here? who, me? no!" and then leaves.
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