IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 11 June 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:29 | <erieslabnx> good morning everyone :)
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| 08:30 | I am trying to diagnose some connection issues, does anyone know of a way to see all connections/ip addresses assigned and connected to my switch?
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| 08:31 | would that be a dhcp monitor of some sort?
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:41 | <erieslabnx> My staff uses tablet PC's and Laptops, My client's are all wired, but the staff needs mobility. Can I plug a wifi router into my switch?
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| 08:42 | <erieslabnx> Would I need to set the router to simply act as a access point?
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| 08:42 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 08:42 | <erieslabnx> morning jammcq :)
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| 08:46 | <erieslabnx> alkisg I got the background fixed :)
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| 08:46 | <alkisg> nice :)
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| 08:46 | <erieslabnx> It was the permission settings, the file was not marked as read only
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| 08:46 | there were no rights at all :)
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| 08:59 | <cyberorg> jammcq, hi, check out our live LTSP distro http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live/Screenshots#openSUSE_thin_theme
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| 08:59 | something you can show off at brazil conference?
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| 09:00 | <cyberorg> jammcq, there is usb stick version too
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> cyberorg: wow, that's pretty cool
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| 09:00 | I'll definately talk about it. I dunno if I'll have a chance to actually run it
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| 09:01 | <cyberorg> cool, li-f-e and kiwi-ltsp are two distros with ltsp preconfigured to run directly from live sessions
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| 09:02 | <ogra> the app selection looks pretty overloaded
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| 09:03 | otherwise lokks sweet :)
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| 09:03 | *looks even
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| 09:03 | <jammcq> ogra: too many apps?
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| 09:03 | <cyberorg> ogra, heh had to please all students :)
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| 09:03 | <erieslabnx> ogra did you work on an open source cms/web framework system?
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| 09:03 | <ogra> jammcq, way to much duplication
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| 09:03 | <cyberorg> ogra, ltsp one does not have that many
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| 09:03 | it does not even have open office
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| 09:03 | <ogra> erieslabnx, not to my knowledge :)
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| 09:04 | <erieslabnx> ok the name looked familiar, I am probably not good with my memory though
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| 09:05 | If set my router up to act only as an access point, plug it into the switch, will the switch handle all the DHCP things?
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| 09:06 | <jammcq> switches don't do "dhcp things"
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| 09:07 | they just pass packets from one port to another
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| 09:07 | you'll need a dhcp server on your network
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| 09:08 | <erieslabnx> sorry I will be more clear, the ubuntu system running ltsp currently handles all dhcp on the wired network through the switch... I wanna add wifi to the switch for use with a laptop
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| 09:08 | so would I set the router to act as an access point without the dhcp or would it not work?
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> ok, then your linux box should be able to hand out dhcp leases to your wireless nodes
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| 09:08 | that's how I do it
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| 09:09 | <erieslabnx> ok
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| 09:16 | <erieslabnx> how do I view the current dhcp leases?
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| 09:17 | sorry habit of asking before searching
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| 09:43 | <tarzeau> i've got an ldm greeter, when i run ldm vt1 :7 as root
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| 09:43 | and when i enter my login information it just says verifying stuff and nothing
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| 11:12 | <erieslabnx> will most any KVM switch work with Linux?
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| 11:13 | I don't wanna use my server for my security system's DVR, but love my new monitor.
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| 11:13 | can't afford to go buy another display for a few more weeks.
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| 12:14 | <lal00> what is the "proper way" to shutdown the client? I'm running fluxbox so I want to add the proper command to the menu so that the client can exit and power off their terminal gracefully
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| 12:14 | <ogra> the simple answer is: do it from LDM
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| 12:15 | <lal00> ogra: I have auto-login enabled
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| 12:15 | <ogra> the less simple one is: make a localapp launcher that calls "poweroff -fp"
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| 12:16 | <lal00> let me try that one :)
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| 12:16 | <ogra> (probably rather a script that also properly kills your desktop session first before calling the localapp)
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| 12:28 | <johnny> or.. just power off your client :)
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| 12:28 | hehe
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| 12:28 | that's what i do..
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| 12:28 | of course.. mine stay on all day
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| 12:28 | and a cron script cleans up at night
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| 12:29 | <erieslabnx> I have a really basic question on switches.... I have a 16 port switch at the server. I don't wanna run 12 different lines to all the offices. Can I run one line to each office and then just use a 5 port switch in each office and a bunch of patch cables to the switches?
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| 12:29 | Or can you have only one switch on the network?
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| 12:30 | <johnny> uhmm.. that's a basic networking question :)
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| 12:30 | but sure.. you can have multiple switches
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| 12:30 | <erieslabnx> very simple I know
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| 12:30 | google couldn't give me a straight answer, thanks johnny
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| 12:49 | <Lumiere> erieslabnx: that is a standard networking design
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| 12:52 | <erieslabnx> I am very new to everything outside of MS Office
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| 12:53 | I was only worried that too many switches would confuse the server
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| 12:54 | I honestly wanted to do it with the 4 Belkin routers I have, but they don't seem to get an internet connection from the server switch.
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| 12:54 | It's like they are still trying to be the router lol
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| 12:56 | <johnny> well usually you have to configure them not to be switches
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| 12:56 | err not to be routers
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| 12:56 | like turning off the dhcp
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| 13:07 | <coordinador> hi all
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| 13:07 | im desperate :S
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| 13:07 | i cannot do login
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| 13:08 | only with gnome fail proff
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| 13:08 | when i try to do normal login i only get back to login screen
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| 13:08 | <coordinador> *failproff = failsafe
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| 13:09 | help please
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| 13:17 | <sbalneav> coordinador: Can you log in normally on the console?
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| 13:24 | <coordinador_> please help about this
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> coordinador: Can you log in normally on the console?
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| 13:30 | <sbalneav> coordinador_: Hello?
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| 13:31 | <coordinador_> i cannot login
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| 13:31 | even local
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| 13:31 | locally i got "out of range" in screen
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| 13:31 | in terminal i got login screen again
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| 13:31 | it happened suddenly
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| 13:32 | even if i try to login from tty locally on server, i got the same "out of range" message
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> ok, so the problem has nothing to do with ltsp
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| 13:32 | <coordinador_> hum i see, ok thanks
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> What changed?
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| 13:32 | Did you add another user?
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| 13:33 | what happend just before it stopped working?
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| 13:36 | <sbalneav> coordinador_: Hello?
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| 13:36 | If you'd like help, you need to answer my questions :)
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| 13:37 | <coordinador_> i didnt nothing related to video
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| 13:37 | i just wanted to configure sound in ltsp
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| 13:38 | i can only login remotely with gnome failsafe mode
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| 13:38 | its pretty weird, since as i said, i cannot login locally in server
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| 13:38 | <sbalneav> ok, if you can't login locally, you've got another problem.
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| 13:39 | How do your users authenticate? Do you just have local password files?
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| 13:39 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> Or do you use something like ldap
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| 13:39 | Hey jammcq
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| 13:39 | <coordinador_> yes, users authenticate
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| 13:39 | its a common ltsp system
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| 13:40 | no tweaks
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| 13:40 | ill try to reboot server :S
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| 13:40 | if cannot login ill try to log with livecd and edit files
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| 13:40 | i wish rebooting works ....
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| 14:19 | <coordinador> hey
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| 14:19 | it was a problem from ltsp
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| 14:19 | i solved it
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| 14:19 | in the ltsp site, there is a script named ltsp-sound.sh
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| 14:21 | this script modifies /etc/profile file
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> What version of ltsp are you running?
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| 14:21 | <coordinador> adding two lines at the end: umask 022 and . /etc/ltsp-sound.sh
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| 14:21 | 4.2
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| 14:22 | <sbalneav> Ah, old.
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| 14:22 | <coordinador> well, those lines didn't allow to log into machine
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| 14:23 | <coordinador> i use 4.2 because my terminals are old ebox
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| 14:23 | <coordinador> 4.2 runs ok with ubuntu 9.04 btw
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| 14:23 | <ogra> but if it breaks you have to keep the pieces on your own
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| 14:25 | <coordinador> unfortunately my boxes are old so i haven't a choice since with ltsp5 the boxes runs very slow
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| 14:25 | well, thanks for the help
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| 14:25 | * alkisg has a 300Mhz/64Ram box which runs fine with ltsp 5 | |
| 14:26 | <coordinador> videocard?
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> S3 virge 4mb
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| 14:26 | <ogra> alkisg, wont help for the ebox
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| 14:26 | its a weird piece of HW
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> OK, I didn't see the hw specs :)
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| 14:27 | <ogra> all SiS single chip solution
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| 14:27 | its the e1000 on disklessworkstations.com
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| 14:27 | <coordinador> my ebox II has Processor -- 200 MHz Vortex86 system-on-chip
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| 14:27 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:28 | http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/prod/200110.html?id=pRtfgc8b
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| 14:28 | <rjune_wrk> what's new ogra?
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| 14:28 | <coordinador> alkisg, are you sure your boxes runs fine with ltsp5? since we have to upgrade all boxes
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| 14:28 | <alkisg> Yeah, mine runs just fine
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| 14:28 | <coordinador> can you watch youtube vids?
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> CPU limits the max bandwidth to 120 mbps
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| 14:29 | So I can watch full screen dvd but that's the best it can do
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| 14:29 | <ogra> with proper CPU and GPU boxes should even run fine on 64M
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| 14:29 | <coordinador> alkisg do you chat everyday here?
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| 14:30 | <sbalneav> There's something odd with 2.6 kernels and the e100
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| 14:30 | <ogra> the prob with the ebox is the HW design
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> Mostly... but my hardware isn't specialized, just 10 y.o. PCs
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| 14:30 | <sbalneav> it's way, WAY slower that what it should theoretically be.
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| 14:30 | <coordinador> hum ok
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| 14:30 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:30 | <sbalneav> I suspect that there's a driver problem somewhere.
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| 14:30 | <ogra> but its identical on all distros it has been tested on
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| 14:30 | <sbalneav> Right.
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| 14:31 | That's why I say, it's something inherent to the 2.6 kernel.
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| 14:31 | <coordinador> well i think ill be back here tomrrow to choose new boxes
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| 14:31 | <ogra> or the way the distros build the kernel
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| 14:31 | <sbalneav> yeah, or that.
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| 14:31 | <ogra> might be for example that the HW is only 486 compatible
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| 14:31 | none of todays distros build -m486
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| 14:31 | <coordinador> see you, thanks for all the help and info btw
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| 14:31 | <sbalneav> The SiS northbridge driver has a big, BIG change in 2.6.10
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| 14:31 | <coordinador> and patience, since my main language isn't english
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| 14:32 | <sbalneav> old ltsp 4.2 used, like, linux 2.6.8
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| 14:32 | <ogra> coordinador, youre welcome :)
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| 14:34 | <coordinador> bye
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| 14:48 | <otavio> ogra: iirc Debian does
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| 14:49 | ogra: afaik it uses 486 compatible code
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| 14:49 | <ogra> i thought with lenny that switched to -M586
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| 14:50 | <otavio> ogra: no, we were using 386 code; now we use 486
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| 14:51 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 14:51 | <otavio> ogra: that is what I recall of the change
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| 14:51 | ogra: and there were some discussion lately to drop 486 for squeeze but it was denied
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| 14:51 | <ogra> ubuntu switched to 586 :(
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| 14:51 | with karmic
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| 14:52 | <otavio> ogra: dunno of the performance boost tradeof is nice enough
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| 14:52 | ogra: i'd much more keep it compatible
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> 486 PCs usually have 16Mb RAM or less... does a recent kernel even boot there?
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| 14:53 | <ogra> well, it was discussed for several hours at UDS .... the toolchain and kernel teams found it worth ... i personally would have kept compatibility too
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| 14:53 | alkisg, its only about the instruction sets
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> OK, but if 486 won't boot, why keep it compatible?
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| 14:54 | <ogra> there are via chips that need 486 in the kernel despite largely being 586 for example
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| 14:54 | <otavio> alkisg: there're new machines that still uses 486 inst. sec
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| 14:54 | alkisg: and vortex new cpus too
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> Really? I thought that 586 instruction sets was supported, like, back in 1996...
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| 14:54 | <otavio> alkisg: those are new but need 486 i.set
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> OK, thanks for the clarification
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| 14:55 | <otavio> alkisg: basically .. you can run Debian on those but not Ubuntu! yey! :P
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| 14:55 | ogra: :P
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| 14:55 | heh
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| 14:56 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> Heh :D I don't see a big difference between them
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| 14:56 | <ogra> well, in case of the ebox the difference doesnt help
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| 14:56 | debian as well as ubuntu take minutes to boot
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| 14:57 | <otavio> ogra: yes, that needs to be worked on
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| 14:57 | <ogra> upstream
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| 14:57 | its a kernel.org prob
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| 14:57 | <otavio> ogra: ?
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| 14:57 | <ogra> its like that on fedora too
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| 14:57 | <otavio> ogra: why?
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| 14:57 | it is not only kernel
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| 14:57 | <ogra> well, feel free to solve it, but its a general prob with newer 2.6 kernels
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| 14:57 | as sbalneav said above
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| 14:58 | <otavio> but for a small system like those, the system looks bloaded no?
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| 14:58 | * otavio goes to read it | |
| 14:58 | <sbalneav> It litereally spends 3-4 minutes in JUST the kernel and udev
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| 14:58 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:58 | <sbalneav> after it gets out of that phase, it's fast.
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| 14:58 | <ogra> yup
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| 14:58 | i use my ebox as my main router
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| 14:58 | <sbalneav> There's definitely some kind of problem on that box with device enumeration.
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| 14:58 | <ogra> it even locally takes 3min for booting
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| 14:58 | <alkisg> So... will the 10- sec boot in Karmic+1 also have a good impact in LTSP clients?
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| 14:58 | <ogra> from CF
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| 14:59 | alkisg, depends :) if mount --union comes it will
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| 14:59 | <sbalneav> When I researched it, there was some big transistion in the SiS northbridge driver right around the 2.6.10 kernel, IIRC/
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| 14:59 | <ogra> currently we have fallen back to unionfs-fuse ... which is slow as hell
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| 14:59 | <alkisg> Kernel switching is the bottleneck in unionfs-fuse?
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| 14:59 | <johnny> yeah.. finally union mounts are coming..
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| 15:00 | <otavio> ogra: any reason to not use aufs?
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| 15:00 | ogra: it works like a charm here
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| 15:00 | <ogra> otavio, its gone
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| 15:00 | <otavio> ogra: no, it is not
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| 15:00 | <ogra> doesnt apply to the kernel code anymore with .30
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| 15:00 | <otavio> ogra: theŕe aufs2
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| 15:00 | ogra: i have it in 29 .. and I think people is keeping it up to date with kernel. Hold a sec
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| 15:00 | <ogra> well, it wont be in ubuntu
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| 15:01 | we're going more and more with plain upstream
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| 15:01 | <johnny> and neither aufs or unionfs will ever make it upstream
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| 15:01 | al viro won't let it
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| 15:01 | <ogra> which means no aufs/unionfs ... but upstream works on mount --union which will happen in .31 (which is the default karmic kernel)
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| 15:01 | <otavio> ogra: http://git.c3sl.ufpr.br/gitweb?p=aufs/aufs2-2.6.git;a=summary
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| 15:02 | <johnny> otavio, doesn't matter..
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| 15:02 | changes go from linux -> aufs
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| 15:02 | but they will ever go aufs -> linux
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| 15:02 | <ogra> otavio, our kernel team refuses to add it
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| 15:02 | <johnny> al viro and other vfs wonks won't let it
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| 15:03 | <otavio> well and i mostly agree with it not being merged indeed
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| 15:03 | <johnny> al viro has been on the side of union mounts for quite some years
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| 15:03 | <otavio> but anyway, until mount --union it could be used as an alternative solution
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| 15:03 | <johnny> otavio, except nobody will take it :)
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| 15:03 | <ogra> mount --union will happen within the next weeks
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| 15:05 | <otavio> it will be interesting to see how --union goes
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| 15:05 | <ogra> ubuntu will give it a big user/tester base ... so it should go fine
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| 15:05 | we're switching all union mounting things over to it
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| 15:06 | (and union mounts are used a lot all across the distro in various toopls)
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| 15:07 | staring with the default upgrade tool ... over livecds, vm builds, ltsp etc etc
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> Has nbd swap finally been made stable? iirc, it "worked" but caused stability problems.
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| 15:16 | <ogra> i think alkisg uses it a lot
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> Ah, I'm not sure if it's actually used or not (64 mb ram)
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| 15:16 | But I didn't have any problems (other than with a broken nic driver)
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| 15:17 | I do have NBD_SWAP=true
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| 15:19 | <Gadi_CA> anybody know if gnome can be told to mount a cifs share on login?
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| 15:19 | without pam_* but with gvfs
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| 15:19 | <sbalneav> Add a bookmark in Naughtylus?
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| 15:20 | <Gadi_CA> anything that doesnt need clicking?
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| 15:20 | :)
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| 15:20 | <stgraber> Gadi_CA: generate .gtk_bookmarks
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| 15:20 | that's what adds a bookmark in nautilus
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| 15:20 | <ogra> add a microphone ... and make your uses use a shouted command ;)
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| 15:20 | (that executes a click)
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> ogra, I was thinking about that, would it be possible to let students login by pronouncing their names into a mic? :D
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| 15:21 | <Gadi_CA> well, I am trying really to find the easiest way to mount a cifs share on top of Documents
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| 15:21 | * alkisg ducks | |
| 15:21 | <Gadi_CA> its a royal pain
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| 15:22 | <ogra> alkisg, definately :)
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| 15:22 | <Gadi_CA> and the tools keep changing
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| 15:22 | :P
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| 15:22 | <ogra> Gadi_CA, gvfs-mount ?
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| 15:22 | <Gadi_CA> hmm...
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| 15:24 | <johnny> can't you put it in your autostart folder?
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| 15:25 | <Gadi_CA> may not handle the unmount
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| 15:25 | <johnny> you could cron it :)
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| 15:25 | hehe
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| 15:25 | <ogra> your logout should do that if you use gvfs
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| 15:25 | <johnny> ahh truly
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| 15:25 | <ogra> it automatically unmounts if the gvfsd dies
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| 15:26 | <Gadi_CA> so gvfs-mount in the autostart folder... I suppose its worth a try
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| 15:27 | <ogra> for a bookmark you put into .gtk_bookmarks before ;)
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| 15:27 | <johnny> hmm? why bookmarks?
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| 15:27 | <ogra> and while youre at it, gvfs supports ssh :) throw away cifs
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| 15:28 | <johnny> ogra, i notice a speed difference when doing it over plain sshfs vs gvfs
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| 15:28 | <ogra> hmm, yeah, that might be
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| 15:28 | <johnny> plain sshfs is faster.. except when you go to a page with movies or pics
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| 15:28 | <ogra> you add one layer indeed
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| 15:28 | <johnny> err lol.. not page
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| 15:28 | a folder
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| 15:28 | <ogra> does it depend on the content ?
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| 15:28 | <johnny> since gvfs respects nautilus remote settings options
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| 15:28 | <ogra> (of the movies)
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| 15:28 | probably ssh has taste :)
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| 15:28 | <johnny> but nautilus on sshfs mount does not
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| 15:29 | thinks it is a local folder indeed
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| 15:29 | ogra, hehe
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| 15:29 | <Gadi_CA> no can do - this is part of AD integration :P
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| 15:29 | <johnny> Gadi_CA, huh?
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| 15:29 | no can do what where who?
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| 15:29 | oh ssh..
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| 15:29 | that's why you need sshfs
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| 15:29 | err cifs
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| 15:30 | <Gadi_CA> right
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| 15:31 | ooh
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| 15:31 | this is interesting
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| 15:31 | * Gadi_CA finds so many quirks when doing these kinds of things | |
| 15:32 | <Gadi_CA> evidently, the "backslash" between domain and user in an AD username login with likewise causes several issues
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| 15:32 | <johnny> Gadi_CA, i think you're the quirk
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| 15:32 | <Gadi_CA> all over the place
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| 15:32 | :)
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| 15:32 | <johnny> "with likewise" ?
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| 15:32 | <Gadi_CA> likewise-open
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| 15:33 | <johnny> wtf is likewise-open
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| 15:33 | <Gadi_CA> used to join an AD domain
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| 15:33 | <johnny> ah
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| 15:33 | joining is dumb
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| 15:33 | don't do it
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| 15:33 | <Gadi_CA> apt-cache show likewise-open
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| 15:33 | ;)
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| 15:33 | <johnny> stop conforming :)
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| 15:37 | ok.. so the MS won't ship a windows 7 with ie8 in EU
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| 15:37 | i don't like many monopolistic tactics of MS.. but even i don't think that is very fair
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| 15:38 | you'd think talking to the OEMs would work in a cleaner way
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| 15:38 | sorry.. not fair.. but just..
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| 15:39 | sometimes google news doesn't make sense..
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| 15:39 | 2 different stories next to each other had contradictory information
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| 15:40 | not opinion pieces of course.. as that would be a normal thing
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| 15:40 | but actual news pieces..
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| 16:10 | <nicros> i hope MS never ships Windows 7
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| 16:11 | <Lumiere> why?
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| 16:13 | <johnny> looks like it is already close to being shipped
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| 16:25 | <Lns> Gadi_CA: =p nice nick!
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| 16:26 | nicros: why?
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| 16:30 | <nicros> because it's just another Vista
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| 16:36 | <Gadi_CA> anybody here have forcedeth drivers and problems with jaunty?
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| 16:36 | * Gadi_CA is fine for a while and then has the internet cut out from under him | |
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| 17:00 | <Lns> nicros: then don't use it ;)
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| 17:01 | <nicros> never have
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| 17:02 | <nubae> actually windows 7 reacts pretty nicely
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| 17:02 | It felt very much like kde 4 actually
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| 17:02 | and reacts at least 3 or 4 times faster than Vista with the same hardware
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| 17:02 | but visually, it is similar to Vista, though going in the direction of KDE...
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| 17:03 | Lns: u wanted to do some video screen casts on how to use edu apps right?
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| 17:05 | <nubae> I mention it because I found some pretty nice ones for inkscape here: http://screencasters.heathenx.org/
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| 17:06 | <Lns> nubae: You obviously aren't aware of the windows "honeymoon period" are you :) Use it for a good couple of months and see how your performance is after that
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| 17:06 | it's been the same since '95...nice and snappy at first install, and progressively slower the more you use it
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| 17:08 | <Lns> nubae: yeah, edu apps, ltsp stuff, etc.
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| 17:11 | <Lns> nubae: wow, nice looking tutorials on inkscape
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| 17:11 | i could use those ;)
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| 17:13 | <nubae> I'm putting together a Moodle portal for opensuse Edu.... I have a whole stack of inkscape tutorials... there seems to be no shortage of material for that program. I'm having more difficulty finding good stuff on Open Office, though I have found some screen casts
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| 17:14 | For real beginngers, this is quite good: http://www.tutorialsforopenoffice.org/category_index/wordprocessing.html
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| 17:15 | written for aliens...
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| 17:15 | Anyway, if u know of links to tutorials, articles, support or screen casts for any edu programs, let me know
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| 17:18 | <Lns> nubae: will do!
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| 17:22 | <nubae> cool, found some scribus screencasts... http://showmedo.com/videotutorials/series?name=NfUrduNov
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| 17:23 | actually that site has loads of screen casts for open source educational programs... worth looking at
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| 20:07 | <pmatulis> where can i get the code to the bots in this channel?
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| 20:09 | <try2free> you mean this http://pastebot.ltsp.org/ ?
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| 20:16 | <pmatulis> yeah, but there is also ltspbot
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| 20:17 | <try2free> pmatulis: do you know about using shorewall and squid?
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| 20:17 | <pmatulis> try2free: no
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| 20:25 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 20:33 | <try2free> hi
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| 21:02 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:06 | <pmatulis> goodnight
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| 21:07 | sbalneav: coming or going?
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| 21:08 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:23 | <try2free> hi sbalneav
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| 21:24 | can you help me to setting shorewall and squid?
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| 21:24 | good morning here...
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| 21:25 | <sbalneav> Squid I could help you with, shorewall I don't use.
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| 21:58 | <try2free> sbalneav: how to setting for use in lstp with transparent proxy?
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| 22:07 | <sbalneav> try2free: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-setup-transparent-proxy-squid-howto.html
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| 22:46 | <try2free> sbalneav: thanks you very helpfull
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| 22:46 | <sbalneav> I try :)
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| 23:08 | * vagrantc thinks sbalneav usually does much more than simply try | |
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| 23:16 | <sbalneav> Sometimes, I try hard.
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| 23:21 | <alkisg> ...you're doing really good, keep trying :P :D Morning, all
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| 23:23 | <sbalneav> Καλημέρα
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| 23:24 | <alkisg> Wow!!! :D Καλημέρα!
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| 23:25 | <sbalneav> Not sure whether that's a greeting, a curcuit diagram, or a calculus equation :)
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| 23:26 | If I had to be a greek philosopher, I think I'd be a stoic.
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| 23:27 | <alkisg> You'd fit the role just fine!
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| 23:29 | <sbalneav> "For a man to conquer himself is the first and noblest of all victories." --Plato
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| 23:32 | <sbalneav> I'm still fighting the battle.
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| 23:32 | I suspect it will be a pyrrhic victory :)
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| 23:33 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory
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| 23:33 | <alkisg> Is there anything about ancient Greece in your usual education, or did you study by your own?
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| 23:34 | * alkisg lives in Epirus, homeland of Pyrrhus... | |
| 23:34 | <sbalneav> I took a whole course on Greek history in grade 10
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| 23:35 | And one one Roman history and Latin in grade 8
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| 23:35 | We got edumacation here in Canada :)
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| 23:35 | <alkisg> What age is that? E.g. grade 10?
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| 23:35 | <sbalneav> For me? A long long time ago :)
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| 23:35 | hummm
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| 23:35 | <alkisg> Heh...
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| 23:35 | <jammcq> about 16
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| 23:35 | err
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| 23:35 | eyah
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| 23:35 | <sbalneav> 15-16 yeah
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| 23:35 | <jammcq> 15-16
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| 23:36 | <sbalneav> I knew about Thermopolye before it became "cool"
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| 23:36 | I've got the ORIGINAL 300 spartans movie :)
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| 23:36 | <jammcq> it was cool?
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| 23:36 | <sbalneav> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055719/
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| 23:37 | Greeks were hardcore.
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| 23:37 | <alkisg> The Greek edu system is 6 years with no school or only pre-primary, 6 years primary, 3 Gymnasio (secondary?) and 3 Lyceum (High school?). Then it's University
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| 23:37 | <sbalneav> 'bout the same here.
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| 23:38 | "Go tell the spartans, traveller passing by, that here obediant to their laws we lie"
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| 23:38 | <alkisg> Wow sounds strange in English :D
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| 23:38 | <sbalneav> I think the new monument just says "Nolo labe", right?
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| 23:38 | "Come and get them"
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| 23:38 | <alkisg> Molon Lave
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| 23:38 | <sbalneav> What is it in greek characters?
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| 23:38 | <alkisg> Μολών Λαβέ
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| 23:39 | * sbalneav cut and pastes to his quotes file | |
| 23:39 | <alkisg> We don't talk that way anymore, sadly... the language has changed a lot
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| 23:39 | <sbalneav> The greek naval victory later over the persians later was *way* more impressive anyway.
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| 23:40 | <alkisg> Damn. /me gotta run for school. Later, all :)
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| 23:40 | <sbalneav> cya
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| 23:40 | <sbalneav> Ancient greek navy was kick-ass.
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| 23:41 | http://www.armchairgeneral.com/wordpress/wp-content/features/salamis/trireme.jpg
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| 23:41 | They used to just RAM other ships.
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| 23:41 | And then there was greek fire
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| 23:42 | πῦρ θαλάσσιον
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