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Channel log from 17 November 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:48 | <ace_suares> !seen ogra
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| 05:48 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 16 hours, 59 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <ogra> well, there might be a fix upstream
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| 05:48 | <ace_suares> ping ogra
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| 05:48 | !seen ogra__
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| 05:48 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: ogra__ was last seen in #ltsp 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: * ogra__ tries to imagine warren holding a moose over a glass .... squeezing
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| 06:07 | <ace_suares> Is it advisable to get rid of the gnome or kde desktop in favour for a lighter one, like xfce ? what are your experiences as to speed ?
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| 06:18 | <lns> ace_suares, depends on your server/client hardware obviously
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| 06:19 | and your preference on a full-featured or lightweight minimalist desktop enviornment or not
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| 07:03 | <ogra__> ace_suares, morning
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| 08:50 | <ace_suares> ogra__ !!!
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| 08:51 | !seen ogra__ | ace_suares
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| 08:51 | <ltspbot> ace_suares: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
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| 08:51 | <ogra> ace_suares, yep
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| 08:51 | <ace_suares> another great release ! Congratulations!!
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| 08:51 | (to all others involved, too, of course !
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| 08:51 | <ogra> thanks :)
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| 08:52 | <ace_suares> It loks more robust, just from visual inspection. It's quick
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| 08:52 | <ogra> yeah, the speed change is quite noticeable :)
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| 08:52 | <ace_suares> more options, anc such. Did you see my little piece on ltsp-build-client and apt-mirror ?
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| 08:52 | <ogra> there are things that were left behind a bit though
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| 08:53 | like the kiosk plugin :)
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| 08:53 | <ace_suares> yeh, tried that one just for fun, and filed a bug right away :-P
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| 08:53 | <ogra> right, i saw that
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| 08:54 | <ace_suares> why have a different security mirror since it is now available as repo gutsy-security instead od security.ubuntu.com
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| 08:54 | od = of
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| 08:54 | <ogra> if [ -e $ROOT/etc/init.d/gdm ]; then
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| 08:55 | shane that to: if [ -e $ROOT/etc/rc2.d/K13gdm ]; then
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| 08:55 | in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-kiosk
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| 08:55 | *change
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| 08:55 | <ace_suares> will do. I saw you released a fix for a similar bug, but that didn't make it into the reo yet ? or was it another bug ?
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| 08:55 | <ogra> i didnt put any updates into gutsy yet
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| 08:56 | there is a list with things we want to fix though
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| 08:56 | but it wont come through security
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| 08:56 | gutsy-updates rather
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| 08:56 | <ace_suares> yeah, but i meant, why have --security-mirror if you can just ask for 'http://somemirror gutsy-security"
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| 08:57 | <ogra> because it offers also "--security-mirror none" ;)
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| 08:57 | which we need for non networked CD installations
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| 08:58 | so you use "--mirror file:///cdrom --security-mirror none" and it will never attempt to get anything from the network
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| 08:59 | indeed you could either list a security mirror under --mirror or use --copy-sourceslist
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| 08:59 | will work the same
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| 08:59 | <ace_suares> okay, understood, i just tought I coudl sufice with one --mirror and then it would find gutsy-security if it was there. Just a tought. I got it worked out tough :-)
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| 08:59 | <ogra> hmm, actually no, --copy-sourceslist will at least need a mirror for debootstrap
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| 09:00 | indeed, it defaults to use gutsy-security
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| 09:00 | <ace_suares> --copy-sourcelist is a meany; if the local repo is non-DNS (i.e. in /etc/hosts/) then the chrooted /etc/hosts don't know about it.
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| 09:00 | <ogra> if no override option was used
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| 09:00 | indeed
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| 09:00 | its only useful for standard setups
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| 09:00 | <ace_suares> So I could just use --mirror ? I shoudl try that out. I tought I've seen it go to security.ubuntu.com instead! Just a sec.
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| 09:01 | <ogra> but it saves you from manuall enabling universe later
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| 09:01 | <ace_suares> maybe add an option add-etchosts "ip hostnme'...
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| 09:01 | <ogra> it will go to s.u.c in any case
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| 09:02 | i'm not sure the security.u.c mirroring is in place yet afaik thats still a single central mirror ...
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| 09:02 | <ace_suares> archive.u.c gustsy-security is the same as security.u.c, no ?
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| 09:03 | <ogra> not sure
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| 09:03 | afaik the installer doesnt take that into account yet ..
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| 09:03 | <ace_suares> kiosk mode is working now. good !
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| 09:03 | <ogra> might be the infrastructure is in place but we dont default to it in gutsy
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| 09:03 | <ace_suares> ogra: yes, that's why we have to add --security-mirror !
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| 09:03 | then it'll stay local, which is a huge time saver, see how fast I just installed the kiosk from scratch ?
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| 09:04 | <ogra> yep, i know
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| 09:04 | thats the whole idea behind local sec mirrors
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| 09:04 | but as i said, the installer part wasnt ready as far as i know ...
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| 09:05 | you can use it manually but it wont be picked during install
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| 09:05 | <ace_suares> but anyhoe, it's good enough, just a little tweak on the command line, fine!
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| 09:05 | Other question: I see that student-control-panel is now a lot more faetures.
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| 09:06 | good. But I still need soemthing to make it easy for the teacher to
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| 09:06 | - make new users
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| 09:06 | <ogra> well, the vnc part apparently doesnt work anymore ....
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| 09:06 | <ace_suares> - assign them some desktop settings and menu settings and maybe lockdown stuff
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| 09:06 | <ogra> right
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| 09:06 | thats all stuff that came in feisty
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| 09:06 | <ace_suares> - attach programs or program groups to it.
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| 09:07 | btw my kiosk hangs after usplash...
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| 09:07 | black screen with cursor left top.
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| 09:07 | so, regariding usermanagement
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| 09:07 | <ogra> student-control-panel had no maintainer in gutsy ... the guy who did it before just dropped it on the floor and vanished
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| 09:07 | <ace_suares> that's sad I rememebr he was very proud that scp made it into edgy or so !
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| 09:08 | <ogra> we'll probably ship a modified (read usability fixed) italc in hardy
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| 09:08 | <ace_suares> anyway htat's what happens when you don't get paid for that work eh :-)
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| 09:08 | italc ?
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| 09:08 | im googling... wait...
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| 09:09 | <stgraber> ace_suares: italc.sf.net
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| 09:09 | <ace_suares> hmmm worth a try.
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| 09:09 | <ogra1> grmbl
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| 09:09 | SCP will persist as a tool to maintain single ltsp servers
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| 09:09 | but we wont depend on it as much as we did in feisty and edgy
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| 09:10 | <ace_suares> grmbl what, ogra ?
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| 09:11 | <ogra1> grmbl disconnect
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| 09:11 | :)
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| 09:12 | <ace_suares> oh yea
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| 09:12 | <ogra1> does your browser start now ?
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| 09:12 | (or better does X/gdm)
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| 09:12 | <ace_suares> no, what did youdo :-P
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| 09:13 | heh heh.. it's just waiting with the black screen
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| 09:13 | the italc wiki is less then usefull
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| 09:13 | <ogra1> the app as is is horrible as well ...
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| 09:13 | but it has a good backend
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| 09:14 | and stgraber sanitized the UI for us :)
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| 09:14 | <ace_suares> hmmm.... i was rthing of writing a blueprint
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| 09:14 | i mean spec on LP.
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| 09:14 | maybe it helps define waht I want and get's some comments too.
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| 09:15 | <ogra1> subscribe me
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| 09:15 | <ace_suares> My main concern is to be able to drop package-like programs into a user or group
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| 09:15 | and limit it to that app.
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| 09:15 | <ogra1> well, thats what sabayon should provde you
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| 09:15 | <ace_suares> So, grade 1 gets gcompris, and that's the ONLY thing they can do, and then maybe the smart ones who are finisched with their assignments, get also circuslinux
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| 09:16 | <ogra1> we also work on a proper menu grouping mechanism so you can have task driven user menus
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| 09:16 | right thats what we want to achieve there
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| 09:16 | <ace_suares> is there a way to do some right-after loging go to full screen app magic ? Probably that exists already in X/gnome
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| 09:16 | ?
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| 09:17 | <ogra1> my plan is that we have a school schedule in the end that is the base for all options and actions a user can take
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| 09:17 | <ace_suares> like if the ONLY app they are allowed to, is gcompris, then that's their 'shell', so they don't get to do any other desktop things, like opening a browser or so
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| 09:17 | <ogra1> well, you need a window manager tht forces fullscreen
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| 09:17 | matchbox or ion
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| 09:18 | <ace_suares> i am thinking of looking into simpler wm anyway
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| 09:18 | <ogra1> (ion is evil though, forces all dialogs to fullscreen as well)
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| 09:18 | i dont know if sawfish still exists or is maintained ...
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| 09:18 | <ace_suares> sabayon, is a distor, not a tool !???
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| 09:18 | <ogra1> but with that you could apply scripts to windows by name user etc
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| 09:19 | <ace_suares> http://xwinman.org/ (lots of inof on wm's)
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| 09:19 | <ogra1> sabayon is the gnome lockdown editor
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| 09:19 | <ace_suares> I looked at the lockdown editor but it's definately not what i want.
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| 09:19 | I disabled the command line and could still open konsole
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| 09:20 | looks like windows security to me (but I didn't logout from that session and re-logged in, maybe that's needed... ?
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| 09:20 | <ogra1> the one that starts a window wiht a desktop in it where you can define the look and feel for the user ?=
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| 09:20 | <ace_suares> no, not dthat one
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| 09:20 | <ogra1> well, konsole is a KDE tool
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| 09:20 | <ace_suares> I'll apt-get it now.
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| 09:20 | <ogra1> indeed the lockdown editor for gconf wont apply to KDE apps
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| 09:20 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 09:21 | <ace_suares> not even to gterm ?
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| 09:21 | it's just availbale from the menu
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| 09:21 | <ogra1> if that uses gconf it will ... if not, it wont
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| 09:21 | pessulus (teh lockdown editor) only locks gconf settings
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| 09:22 | <ace_suares> nah... not good.
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| 09:23 | <cliebow> i
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| 09:23 | | |
| 09:23 | Advanced Search
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| 09:23 | Preferences
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| 09:23 | Language Tools
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| 09:23 | Advertising Programs - Business Solutions - About Google
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| 09:23 | <ace_suares> but I'll look into sabayon for wee while
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| 09:23 | <cliebow> | |
| 09:23 | Advanced Search
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| 09:23 | Preferences
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| 09:23 | Language Tools
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| 09:23 | Advertising Programs - Business Solutions - About Google
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| 09:23 | <ace_suares> and i'll try to come up with a spec
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| 09:23 | <cliebow> ©2007 Google?
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| 09:23 | ©2007 Googlecewm
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| 09:23 | soryy.
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| 09:23 | what the hell was that??
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| 09:23 | <ogra1> you pasted web content :)
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| 09:23 | <ace_suares> google has taken all your bases. cliebow.
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| 09:23 | <cliebow> wouldnt surprise me 8~)
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| 09:24 | guessit could have been all my passwords
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| 09:24 | <ogra1> ace_suares, there is a spec for the sabayon enhancements (i'm still working on that but it has to be final by thursday)
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| 09:24 | <cliebow> that i havn already pasted
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| 09:24 | <ace_suares> it's gotten eerie where ggl know how often I visited a site, and what I've been searching for these days, (a wiiiide range of topics :)
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| 09:24 | <ogra1> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-profile-and-network-session-management
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| 09:25 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-menus-completion
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| 09:25 | the latter is for the menu stuff
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| 09:25 | they are both supposed to get implemented in hardy
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| 09:26 | <ogra1> feel free to add a suggestions section at the bottom of the wikipages ... if you add stuff before wednesday i'll work it into the spec
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| 09:26 | <ace_suares> your motha is using edubuntu ?
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| 09:26 | <ogra1> yup
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| 09:26 | indeed she does
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| 09:26 | <ace_suares> grin... guess that's the best focus group you could wish for :-)
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| 09:27 | <ogra1> right
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| 09:27 | <ace_suares> okay let me work on that, better than to start with a new spec. and I see ldap comes into play in hardy+1
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| 09:27 | good.
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| 09:27 | <ogra1> in hardy alsready
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| 09:27 | <ace_suares> I gotta deply something in the next 2-3 weeks, something that's workable
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| 09:27 | <cliebow> my wife is using it...that is quite something..
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| 09:28 | <ogra1> the server team has gotten all client bits into gutsy
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| 09:28 | hardy will see more on the server side
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| 09:28 | <ace_suares> so I'll hack something together wich only I can manage and then in 6 mionths or so, replace with wathever you come up with :-)
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| 09:29 | maybe nice to knwo that the breeze+win4lin+win98 thing we deployed in april 2006 with 16 clients, keeps on working without fault!
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| 09:29 | <ogra1> cool :)
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| 09:29 | <ace_suares> that striy hasn['t been public here, yet, but with the next two deployments, i am gonne do some media work too.
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| 09:29 | striy=story
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| 09:30 | man wednesday is fast. Damn.
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| 09:30 | Better start working on my assiment for monday so I'll havbe time left for the spec.
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| 09:30 | <cliebow> ogra1:left my laptop on between home and the Seawall ....42 access points on the way 8~)
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| 09:30 | <ace_suares> thx for all, BFN....
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| 09:31 | <ogra1> wow
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| 09:31 | <cliebow> so much for being in the sticks
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| 09:41 | <laserdrill> Hi all
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| 09:41 | I have a K12ltsp srver set up for about two weeks now, and its an absolute joy to work with.
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| 09:42 | I must say thanks to all who made this system work
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| 09:45 | I hit upon a snag yesterday that I hope someone has seen before. I am using K12ltps 6 and installed moodle because I want to us it. None of the installation instructions got me to the setup screen so I checked the setup and found that moodle is installed to the /var/www directory while apache's document root is set to /var/www/html. So, in that case, typing http://localhost/moodle/<anything> could not be found. Is this a known problem w
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| 10:02 | <cliebow> laserdrill, moquist is into a lot of moodle ..might buzz him..
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| 10:03 | <laserdrill> cliebow: thanks. How do I buzz moquist?
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| 10:04 | <ogra1> you just did :)
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| 10:04 | by saying his name
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| 10:04 | <laserdrill> Ok !
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| 10:04 | Hope he responds then
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| 10:04 | <ogra1> (there is no guarantee he sses that if he's not near his PC though)
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| 10:05 | <laserdrill> I understand
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| 10:06 | ogra, cliebow: are either of you familiar with Apache?
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| 10:06 | * ogra1 didnt touch that for a long time | |
| 10:07 | <laserdrill> ok
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| 10:07 | * ogra1 didnt touch redhat/fedora for a longer time .... in debian/ubuntu the package comes pretty much preconfigured | |
| 10:08 | <laserdrill> ok
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| 10:08 | <ogra1> so no initial setup to do ...
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| 10:09 | <laserdrill> You run k12ltsp on Ubuntu or just the LTSP?
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| 10:09 | <ogra1> i build edubuntu with the new LTSP5
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| 10:09 | <laserdrill> ahhh
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| 10:11 | Its funny, I had used k12ltsp 4, some years ago and liked it, which is why I thought of it this time. It basically just works. Moodle, so far, is the only package for k12ltsp/Fedora 6 that seems to have an issue like this
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| 10:12 | <ogra1> did you use it from the fedora repos or from the moodle site ?
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| 10:12 | <laserdrill> From the fedora repos
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| 10:12 | <ogra1> i imagine the fedora package is better integrated
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| 10:12 | hmm
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| 10:13 | <laserdrill> There is no problem with the moodle app itself, its where its putting the moodle folder makes it inaccessible to apache as it is.
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| 10:14 | I did expect the integration to be correct. I was trying hard to avoid a manual install and setup from the moodle site
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| 10:14 | <ogra> well, the ubuntu package sets up the apache bits for you
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| 10:15 | i would actually expect the same form the fedora one
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| 10:15 | <laserdrill> Yeah, i like ubuntu. If I had thought of edubuntu at the time I might have avoided this hurdle
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| 10:16 | I had abd run in with skolelinux, the cd install is messed up, so I shied away from debian for this project
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| 10:17 | <ogra> did you file bugs about that ? i'm sure the skole guys would like to know bout that
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| 10:18 | <laserdrill> I visited the chat room and tried to discuss it but the time zone difference was a problem. However, I had to et on with the project and had lost all that time, so I set about putting the fedora system into commision. Haven't got back to skolelinux yet, unfortunately
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| 10:19 | <ogra> well, if k12ltsp gives yu what you need, why change :)
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| 10:21 | <laserdrill> True ! I really want to get moodle to work though. I haev been toying witht the idea of setting up the moodle install as a virtual apache host, or just scrapping it and installing from the moodle site. If I had contemplated this I might not have bothered with K12ltsp.
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| 10:23 | mosquist: we could really use your help !
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| 10:26 | ogra: do you have an idea of what most people are running k12ltsp on these days?
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| 10:28 | sorry, that should be LTSP, not k12ltsp
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| 10:30 | <ogra> well, LTSP5 is only available for debian based systems atm
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| 10:30 | <laserdrill> ok
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| 10:30 | <ogra> fedora just starts to catch up
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| 10:31 | what you get on k12ltsp is unmaintained since nearly two years
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| 10:31 | <laserdrill> I am beginning to wonder whether to make the switch.
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| 10:32 | <ogra> well, warren who implements ltsp5 in fedora is surely keen to get some testers ;)
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| 10:33 | <laserdrill> I might be able to help, but I need to get this project stable, which is why I need moodle. Otherwise, I might scrap fedora. That way I might not be able to help
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| 10:34 | <ogra> well, in edubuntu you will have other areas where you have to learn new ways .... if only moodle holds you back atm i'd see that i get into moodle enough to get it running properly
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| 10:34 | <laserdrill> So, let me get this straight: you have an Edubuntu, LTSP5, Moodle setup and everythign works as it should. Right?
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| 10:35 | <ogra> well, the moodle package isnt as good integrated as it should be (actually thats what moquist works on)
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| 10:35 | <laserdrill> ok
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| 10:35 | <ogra> so you wil need some manual interaction there as well
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| 10:35 | (like answering 10 questions where there should be one or two only)
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| 10:35 | <laserdrill> ok
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| 10:36 | <ogra> but if you answer them right all will be set up and runing
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| 10:36 | <warren> ogra, that isn't exactly true
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| 10:36 | ogra, K12LTSP has rebased on top of Fedora 7
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| 10:36 | <ogra> warren, that you look for testers ?
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| 10:36 | warren, we were talking about ltsp specifically
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| 10:36 | <warren> ogra, soon we'll have packages that work on Fedora 8
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| 10:36 | <laserdrill> This is what bothers me though. If there is not a package for the app then you know you are going to have to do it manually. That's ok
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| 10:37 | <warren> laserdrill, let me check on the status of fedora's moodle package
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| 10:37 | laserdrill, although you really shouldn't run a moodle server on the same box as a LTSP server
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| 10:37 | <laserdrill> warren: I brought up an issue about moodle on k12ltsp 6 and Ogra and I were discussing it.
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| 10:38 | ok
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| 10:38 | <ogra> warren, that really depends on the load i'd say
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| 10:38 | <warren> LTSP makes a server even more insecure
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| 10:38 | If you don't care about the security of your moodle instance then I guess it is OK.
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| 10:38 | <ogra> through what ?
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| 10:39 | <warren> ogra, too many people with local access
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| 10:39 | <ogra> ah well
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| 10:39 | <laserdrill> I am concerned about security as the k12ltsp server is also the gateway for the terminals
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| 10:40 | But i could set up another firewall gateway to dal with that
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| 10:40 | <ogra> if the user/groups concept is right it shouldnt matter if users are local or remote
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| 10:40 | imho
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| 10:40 | <warren> Eric and I are working on Fedora 8 LTSP5 right now
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| 10:40 | <laserdrill> I would prefer to have moodle on the ltsp server at this point
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| 10:40 | <warren> ogra, that is a very naive way of looking at it.
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| 10:40 | but I don't have time to argue this.
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| 10:40 | <ogra> if there is a possibility to gain privileges you are not allowed to the concept is worng no matter if its local or remote
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| 10:41 | <warren> ogra, there are far too many local root exploits, especially on boxes that aren't updated often
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| 10:41 | <laserdrill> warren: you realize that the k12ltsp site only has download links to k12ltsp 6 on fedora 6, right?
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| 10:41 | <warren> ogra, many of those local root exploits are prevented by selinux... but that doesn't help Ubuntu or people who turn off selinux.
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| 10:41 | <ogra> so we need to make sure they are updated regulary ;)
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| 10:42 | well, we have selinux ... its just not on by default
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| 10:43 | <laserdrill> warren: what's your recommended setup for ltsp and moodle?
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| 10:43 | <warren> laserdrill, oh... apparently some schools are using K12LTSP 7 but it wasn't officially released, because 8 is not far away.
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| 10:43 | laserdrill, I don't have any particular recommendation, I need to focus on getting 8 out the door.
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| 10:43 | <ogra> laserdrill, i bet warren agrees you should fix your moodle setup instead of having to learn a totally new distro
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| 10:43 | <warren> ogra, sbalneav: did the new structure happen?
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| 10:44 | <laserdrill> So I'll soon have to scrap this setup then
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| 10:44 | <ogra> warren, i'm waiting on feedback from sbalneav
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| 10:44 | he vanished somehow yesterday
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| 10:44 | not sure he merged my branch
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| 10:44 | <warren> laserdrill, the ideal recommendation is to run moodle on a separate box from LTSP in order to have maximum security and maintainability.
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| 10:44 | <laserdrill> warren: ok.
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| 10:44 | <warren> laserdrill, preferably a long-term distro like CentoS5 or Ubuntu LTS.
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| 10:45 | laserdrill, that way you can upgrade K12LTSP without worrying about breaking your moodle.
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| 10:45 | <ogra> ++
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| 10:45 | <barbara> anyone know why my local cd drives are not working on edubuntu gutsy?
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| 10:45 | <laserdrill> warren: The long term distro for what, LTSP or moodle?
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| 10:45 | <ogra> laserdrill, moodle
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| 10:45 | <warren> laserdrill, long term supported distro, meaning the operating system under it
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| 10:45 | <laserdrill> ok
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| 10:45 | I understand
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| 10:45 | <ogra> dappers (6.06 LTS) ltsp was very immature
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| 10:46 | <warren> laserdrill, CentOS5 or RHEL5 (educational pricing is $60/year) or Ubuntu LTS
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| 10:46 | <warren> ogra, oh?
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| 10:46 | ogra, you mean you don't recommend I run my entire enterprise infrastructure on it? =)
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| 10:46 | <ogra> well, it was the second release of ltsp5 only
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| 10:46 | <laserdrill> I have used dapper 6. Its fine though the update broke the prinitng once
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| 10:46 | <ogra> warren, you can but its missing features
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| 10:46 | like localdev and sound
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| 10:47 | <warren> laserdrill, there is nothing particlar about LTSP distro that is particular to moodle
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| 10:47 | <ogra> and the ldm we used back then looked like an early gdm
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| 10:47 | <laserdrill> ok
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| 10:47 | warren: here is the original issue.
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| 10:47 | <ogra> if you only want ltsp basic functionallity, dapper is fine ... but for full desktop experience start at edgy
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| 10:47 | <barbara> i put the cd or dvd in and nothing gets mounted. but if i put it in the server it mounts on all the clients...
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| 10:48 | <laserdrill> warren:I am using K12ltps 6 and installed moodle because I want to us it. None of the installation instructions got me to the setup screen so I checked the setup and found that moodle is installed to the /var/www directory while apache's document root is set to /var/www/html. So, in that case, typing http://localhost/moodle/<anything> could not be found.
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| 10:48 | <ogra> barbara, do usb keys work properly ?
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| 10:48 | <warren> laserdrill, where did you download moodle from?
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| 10:48 | <laserdrill> I need the full desktop functionality
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| 10:48 | From the fedora repos
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| 10:48 | <barbara> ogra, i don't have a usb key but i'll grab a digital camera and try it.
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| 10:49 | * warren looks at fedora's moodle | |
| 10:49 | <ogra> barbara, might be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/160420 ....
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| 10:49 | <ogra> a fix is on its way
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| 10:49 | eharrison, hey eric ! :)
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| 10:50 | laserdrill, there is the guy to thank for k12ltsp ^^^^
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| 10:50 | <warren> ogra, eharrison and I are focusing on the fedora part today
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| 10:50 | ogra, or blame =)
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| 10:50 | <ogra> cool
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| 10:50 | heh
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| 10:50 | <laserdrill> ogra: I am showing of FOSS with this project so I am running full terminal on windows XP desktops
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| 10:50 | <warren> wow, moodle is an incredibly messy package
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| 10:50 | whoever packaged it decided that each language should be a sub-package
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| 10:51 | <ogra> warren, we'Re planning to split moodle in ubuntu into its submodules to make security updates easier ...
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| 10:51 | you might consider the same ...
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| 10:51 | it includes a lot of separate php apps
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| 10:51 | <barbara> ogra, camera doesn't seem to. work either doesn't even show on the camera it is connected...
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| 10:51 | <warren> laserdrill, did you install moodle-1.8.3-1?
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| 10:51 | <eharrison> howdy!
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| 10:51 | <cliebow> eharrison:Howdy partner!!!
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| 10:51 | <laserdrill> Thanks for the wonders of K12LTSP Eric and the crew !
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| 10:52 | <warren> laserdrill, looks like moodle for FC6 was last updated on October 25th
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| 10:52 | <eharrison> ;-)
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| 10:52 | <ogra> barbara, there is a workaround mentioned on the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/160420 ....
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| 10:52 | <laserdrill> warren:yes
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| 10:52 | It install without problems, then cannot run. My research found what I mentioned
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| 10:52 | <warren> eharrison, where we are in the past week, ogra, sbalneav and I agreed upon another revision for the upstream bzr structures
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| 10:52 | eharrison, it hasn't been checked in yet, apparently.
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| 10:53 | <ogra> warren, http://www.ltsp.org/~ogra/ltsp/
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| 10:53 | i'm pretty sure scottie will merge it as is
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| 10:53 | <warren> ogra, I don't see anything there.
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| 10:53 | <ogra> bzr get http://www.ltsp.org/~ogra/ltsp/
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> warren: does fedora patch dhcpd to not require next-server
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| 10:53 | <ogra> bzr branches are hidden usually
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| 10:54 | vagrantc, i think we're the only ones doing that
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| 10:54 | <warren> vagrantc, I don't know off hand, why?
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| 10:54 | <eharrison> I'm pretty sure that fedora does require next-server
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| 10:54 | <warren> laserdrill, likely you're running into a very simple configuration problem
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| 10:55 | <laserdrill> warren: what would be the fix?
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| 10:55 | <warren> laserdrill, it appears that moodle RPM uses a typical web app packaging scheme in fedora
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| 10:55 | laserdrill, i'm installing it here locally to check
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| 10:55 | <laserdrill> ok
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| 10:55 | <warren> moodle 8.9MB?!
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| 10:55 | php?
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| 10:55 | grr
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| 10:55 | <ogra> warren, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DhcpdSiaddr
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| 10:55 | about the next-server issue
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| 10:56 | <laserdrill> yes, had to do dome major software installation
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| 10:56 | <warren> what does next-server do
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| 10:57 | <ogra> pointing the kernel to the tftp server
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| 10:57 | <warren> laserdrill, first, use rpm -ql moodle
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| 10:57 | <warren> laserdrill, you can see all files installed by that package
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| 10:57 | laserdrill, pipe it to less to easily scroll through it
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| 10:57 | <ogra> the default behavior until 3.0.3 was to just copy the rootserver value into the var
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| 10:57 | <laserdrill> warren: I have sought help because, just moving the moodle folder to /var/www/html did not sem to solve the problem. But by then I was too tired to try anything else
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| 10:57 | <warren> laserdrill, don't move anything
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| 10:57 | laserdrill, web app packages in fedora don't require any changes to directory paths
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| 10:57 | <ogra> then they decided to zero it out if next-server wasnt explicitly defined
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| 10:58 | which broke tons of existing ltsp setups
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| 10:58 | <warren> has anyone explained why they did this?
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| 10:58 | <laserdrill> warren: ok
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| 10:58 | <ogra> warren, there is a rfc that leanves pretty much open what exactly should be the default value of the field
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| 10:58 | <warren> laserdrill, move everything back to how it was
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| 10:58 | laserdrill, rpm -ql moodle |less
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| 10:59 | laserdrill, you see /etc/httpd/conf.d/moodle.conf?
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| 10:59 | <barbara> ogra, are you talking about the line env['DISPLAY'] = 'localhost:10.0' in /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter?
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| 10:59 | <laserdrill> warren: I am not at the server right now, but will be in another hour or so. If you walk me through the config, then i'll do it on the sever
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| 10:59 | <warren> laserdrill, that's the moodle specific config file for apache
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| 10:59 | <ogra> barbara, yeah, delete that, reboot a client and check
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| 10:59 | <barbara> ok
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| 10:59 | <laserdrill> warren: I did look at moodle.conf briefly
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| 10:59 | <warren> laserdrill, Alias /moodle /var/www/moodle/web
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| 10:59 | <barbara> do i need to add an
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| 10:59 | '-X' to the ssh line in $client/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S20-delayed-mounter as well?
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| 10:59 | <warren> laserdrill, that means http://ADDRESS/moodle is supposed to bring up moodle
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| 11:00 | laserdrill, I don't have fedora 6, but fedora 8 http://localhost/moodle/ says "Error: Database connection failed.
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| 11:00 | It is possible that the database is overloaded or otherwise not running properly.
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| 11:00 | The site administrator should also check that the database details have been correctly specified in config.php"
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| 11:00 | <ogra> barbara, i dont think thats needed
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| 11:00 | <warren> laserdrill, meaning it would work if I followed the directions
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| 11:01 | laserdrill, did you read /usr/share/doc/moodle-1.8.3/README-rpm?
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| 11:01 | <laserdrill> warren: yes
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| 11:01 | <warren> laserdrill, you could talk to the owner of moodle in fedora
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| 11:02 | <laserdrill> I have mysql up and running and I created a moodleuser and moodle database as well
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| 11:02 | I got that message nevertheless
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| 11:02 | <warren> laserdrill, <limb@jcomserv.net> 'Jon Ciesla'
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| 11:03 | laserdrill, explain to the owner what you did and ask for any advice of getting it working
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| 11:03 | <laserdrill> warren: thanks
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| 11:03 | <warren> laserdrill, I really can't afford more time to look into this, gotta get LTSP5 in Fedora
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| 11:03 | eharrison, did you "bzr get http://www.ltsp.org/~ogra/ltsp/"?
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| 11:04 | <laserdrill> warren: ok grat. when might we expect it out?
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| 11:04 | <warren> laserdrill, I'm trying to get a beta version out in January, but packages for testing will be available in December.
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| 11:04 | <eharrison> warren: yes
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| 11:04 | <warren> laserdrill, (you can install the packages on top of plain Fedora 8)
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| 11:05 | laserdrill, it is likely the new distro will be called K12Linux 8 instead of K12LTSP. We decided K12LTSP was too difficult to say and understand for marketing, especially for some foreign languages.
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| 11:06 | <laserdrill> ok, great! Thank you all so much. If there is something I can do to assist let me know.
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| 11:06 | <warren> laserdrill, are you on k12osn?
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| 11:06 | laserdrill, you'll see news there.
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| 11:06 | <laserdrill> I agree, the new name is easier
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| 11:06 | I'll look at k12osn
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| 11:07 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "moodle package split plans" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/362
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| 11:07 | <ogra> warren, ^^^
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| 11:08 | you might want to consider spltting out these as well
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| 11:08 | makes security updates a lot easier
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| 11:10 | <barbara> ogra, so i commented out that line and now it seems like the cd drive spins up fine and is reading it for quite a while but nothing ever shows up. do you think that this has to do with the issue we are having with login sometimes where it will tell us invalid username or password then if we switch to the tty2 shell and ping the server it will connect fine on that machine?
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| 11:10 | <ogra> that sounds like a network issue rather
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| 11:11 | do you use stock ubuntu/edubuntu or some other desktop ?
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| 11:13 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 11:13 | <ogra> yo jammcq
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| 11:13 | <eharrison> hi jammcq
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| 11:13 | <jammcq> wow, it's like a party in here
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| 11:13 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:13 | no sam adams involved yet :)
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| 11:14 | <barbara> ogra, stock edubuntu
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| 11:14 | the clients boot fine
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| 11:14 | <ogra> did you make any tweaks in lts.conf ?
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| 11:14 | <warren> ogra, I'll send a mail to our maintainer
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| 11:15 | <ogra> thanks
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| 11:15 | <warren> jammcq, aside from slowness, I see all kinds of weird graphic artifacts in X
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| 11:15 | <ogra> would make sense to have it similar in all distros
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| 11:15 | <warren> jammcq, on the T1000
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| 11:15 | jammcq, seen that before?
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| 11:15 | <ogra> warren, vesa or sis driver ?
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| 11:16 | <jammcq> warren: umm, I've not seen it
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| 11:16 | <warren> jammcq, I wonder if this is new to bleeding edge X...
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| 11:16 | <jammcq> could be
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| 11:16 | <warren> ogra, hmm, some of these we already have as separate packages.
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| 11:16 | <ogra> as soon as we have a working ubuntu ltsp again i can test with 7.3
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| 11:16 | warren, right
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| 11:16 | warren, the target is to avoind code duplication, moodle ships them as well
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| 11:17 | so where packages exist already these should be used instead of the copy moodle ships
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| 11:17 | and the moodle package shoud really only have moodle
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| 11:18 | its often been the case in the past that we needed to update moodle additionaly just because there was a security breakage in phpmailer or so
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| 11:19 | thats silly extra work a package split can avoid
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| 11:19 | <warren> jammcq, hmm, so with etherboot loading a newer version of etherboot, we could do this instead of mknbi?
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| 11:19 | <jammcq> yep
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| 11:20 | <warren> jammcq, or is mknbi still necessary for older BOOTP machines?
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| 11:20 | <jammcq> but it's kind of ugly
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| 11:20 | dunno about mknbi and bootp
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| 11:20 | <warren> jammcq, can bootp load etherboot?
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| 11:20 | <ogra> we switched completely to mkelfimage
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| 11:20 | <jammcq> the only boot method that we've ever officially supported is PXE and Etherboot
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| 11:20 | <ogra> from mknbi ...
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| 11:21 | it has the advantage to support LinuBIOS
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| 11:21 | <warren> jammcq, the benefit of bootp or etherboot loading PXE etherboot over mkelfimage or mknbi is the former can be installed and setup ONCE, while the latter needs yet another image to be setup.
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| 11:21 | <ogra> *Linux
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| 11:21 | <warren> ogra, ah
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| 11:21 | <ogra> i.e. helps with the ThinCAN :)
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| 11:22 | <warren> ogra, LinuxBIOS doesn't use etherboot?
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| 11:22 | even though etherboot is FOSS
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| 11:22 | <ogra> etherboot uses some registers LinuxBIOS doesnt have
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| 11:22 | <warren> grr
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| 11:22 | <ogra> its a BIOS prob
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| 11:22 | <warren> I guess I can't fully get rid of mkelfimage
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| 11:22 | <ogra> but mkelfimage works fine with etherboot as well
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| 11:23 | <warren> I liked the idea of getting rid of mkelfimage and loading gPXE instead.
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| 11:23 | <ogra> so we unified on it for all etherboot stuff ... scott did a lot of testing ast cycle
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| 11:23 | *last
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| 11:24 | <warren> ogra, does LinuxBIOS have a certain identifer the DHCP server can recognize?
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| 11:24 | <ogra> not that i know of
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| 11:24 | <warren> hmm
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| 11:24 | <ogra> scott did far mor in that area ... he might know
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| 11:24 | <warren> it appears that gPXE has linuxbios images
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| 11:25 | <ogra> intresting
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| 11:25 | <warren> If I can load gPXE from linuxbios, bootp and old (not PXE capable) etherboot, then I can get rid of the separate image entirely.
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| 11:25 | <Q-FUNK> gPXE ?
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| 11:26 | <warren> Q-FUNK, etherboot was renamed to gPXE after 5.4
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| 11:26 | <Q-FUNK> ah
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| 11:26 | <warren> 5.4 was Etherboot that supports PXE
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| 11:26 | <ogra> right
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| 11:26 | <Q-FUNK> it only supports PXE when built against a commercial BIOS, though.
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| 11:26 | <warren> Q-FUNK, oh? =(
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| 11:27 | <Q-FUNK> the PXE support in Etherboot depends upon specific BIOS calls. that's why we don't support PXE on our LinuxBIOS ThinCan.
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| 11:27 | <warren> jammcq, where's the page that describes loading etherboot?
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| 11:27 | <barbara> ogra, it is a pretty cheap switch that we bought. do you think that a crummy switch would do it? or do you think it's a configuration issue?
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| 11:27 | <warren> Q-FUNK, gPXE seems to have linuxbios specific code
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| 11:28 | Q-FUNK, i'm looking into it
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| 11:28 | <Q-FUNK> I keep on hoping that someone will find a way that doesn't depend upon specific BIOS calls, but so far this hasn't happened
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| 11:28 | <ogra> barbara, sounds like config ...
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| 11:28 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/EtherbootLoadsEtherboot
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| 11:28 | <warren> Q-FUNK, so what's the benefit of linuxbios over commercial bios?
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| 11:29 | <ogra> its free
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| 11:29 | <warren> src/arch/i386/Config:# -DLINUXBIOS
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| 11:29 | src/arch/i386/Config:# Compile in support for LinuxBIOS
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| 11:29 | src/arch/i386/Config:# Options to make a version of Etherboot that will work under linuxBIOS.
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| 11:29 | Q-FUNK, ^^^
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| 11:29 | <Q-FUNK> free as in code and free as in beer
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| 11:29 | <Q-FUNK> yes and making a version that works under linuxbios also disables pxe
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| 11:30 | <warren> Q-FUNK, does it have any options other than PXE?
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| 11:30 | <Q-FUNK> for linuxbios? plain etherboot.
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| 11:30 | <warren> that's unfortunate. =(
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| 11:30 | because gPXE contains the code to do PXE itself
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| 11:31 | <Q-FUNK> yes and no. it works well. besides, unless someone needs boot menus, there's not much difference between etherboot and pxe, in practice.
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| 11:32 | <Q-FUNK> of course, pxe can be configured by editing the config, while etherboot requires an elf image (not nbi)
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| 11:32 | <warren> etherboot (without PXE) is the one that needs mknbi/mkelfimage?
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| 11:32 | eh?
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| 11:32 | m
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| 11:32 | <ogra> mkelfimage
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| 11:33 | <Q-FUNK> minbi doesn't work with linuxbios. you need mkelfimage
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| 11:33 | <warren> Q-FUNK, I guess I don't have any boxes with LinuxBIOS to test here...
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| 11:33 | <ogra> warren, why not just take ltsp-update-kernels as its in the ltsp code for now ... (and adjust it for fedora)
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| 11:33 | <Q-FUNK> mknbi-linux and mkelf-linux both generate code that depend upon specific PC bios calls.
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| 11:34 | <warren> ogra, ok
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| 11:34 | <Q-FUNK> mkelfimage was specifically designed to avoid making bios calls.
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| 11:34 | <warren> when I get linuxbios hardware for testing, I'll see if I can get it to work without an extra image
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| 11:35 | Q-FUNK, completely in real-mode?
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| 11:36 | <Q-FUNK> warren: that, I do not recall. it has slightly different ways of doing things for each architecture
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| 11:51 | <rpchus> I apologize for the cut-in, but I was hoping I could get a quick answer to some questions that I have regarding VPN versus TS using MS as a thick client and a Linux Server for TS or VPN access to corporate network from remote locations
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> rpchus: TS ?
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| 11:54 | <rpchus> Terminal Services - sorry. We have 10 remote locations that will need to connect to main office. There will be a Unix server running Informix that will store all data - essentially thin clients, but need to be thick for other software specific to each location
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> not really LTSP then?
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| 11:54 | <rpchus> not?
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| 11:54 | yes, not thin on the client side
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> that is really the only thing LTSP is... thin clients.
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| 11:55 | <rpchus> I didn't know if LTSP would still work with MS thick clients
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> it's a collection of servers to boot thin clients
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| 11:55 | <rpchus> what would a Linux server run to allow thick MS machines to connect via terminal services?
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| 11:56 | <vagrantc> well, LTSP typically uses ssh X11 forwarding, or XDMCP to connect to the LTSP server.
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| 11:57 | it uses X windows as the network transparent layer
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| 11:57 | not sure if there are good X server implementations for windows
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| 11:57 | "terminal services" is not a specific technology.
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| 11:57 | <eharrison> rpchus: is this a gui or command-line app you are trying to access?
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| 11:57 | <rpchus> I am finding that out
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| 11:58 | it is a web app
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| 11:58 | <eharrison> then use a web browser ;-)
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> if it's a web app ... use a web browser? :)
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| 11:58 | <rpchus> the Unix database will have 5 user licenses
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| 11:58 | <barbara> ogra, do you know where i should look?
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| 11:58 | <rpchus> my ten stores will only be considered one concurrent connection
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| 11:59 | that would mean my stores are connecting to a server with VNC or TS and that machine is creating the single connection to the database, right?
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| 11:59 | <vagrantc> rpchus: so ... you've got a web app, and you need a way to restrict the number of users using it?
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| 12:00 | <barbara> vnc is not secure rpchus
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| 12:00 | <rpchus> correct on the vnc
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| 12:00 | This is a purchased system (Factor)
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> rpchus: i'm not clear on your goal here ... so it's a little hard to recommend what to do.
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| 12:01 | <rpchus> they provide a Unix server (5 concurrent access), we must provide the "web" server that will connect to their database server
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| 12:01 | the remote locations will not connect directly to the database server
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| 12:02 | sorry to go into too much detail, I got my initial answer
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| 12:02 | <warren> I'm failing to see how this is relevant to this channel.
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| 12:03 | <rpchus> which was LTSP was not what I was looking for
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| 12:03 | * vagrantc concurs with warren | |
| 12:03 | <rpchus> I was looking into LTSP
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> ah, the relevence is exploring LTSP, and the answer is "no". :)
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| 12:03 | <rpchus> relevant
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| 12:03 | <warren> You need to look into what LTSP actually is
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| 12:03 | <rpchus> indeed so, warren
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| 12:03 | and I appreciate the help
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| 12:04 | thanks and bye.
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| 12:44 | <Drakeweb> hey cliebow
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| 12:52 | <Drakeweb> can anyone offer any help fudging an N2200 tftp booting, so that it can mount the root partition?
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| 12:53 | apparently it looks in the tftpboot directory, and needs to be pointed to the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory instead. Anyone know how?
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: grep root-path /etc/*/dhcpd.conf
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| 12:56 | <Drakeweb> it's already set to /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 12:56 | but the 2200s ignore it
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| 12:56 | and just look in the same place they were booted from
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| 12:57 | which is /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 12:59 | <vagrantc> Drakeweb: but it works with other thin clients?
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| 13:00 | <Drakeweb> don't have any other thin clients!
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| 13:01 | <Drakeweb> it's edubuntu server with ltsp5
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> 7.10 ?
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| 13:11 | 7.10 doesn't use root-path, but 7.04 does.
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| 13:12 | unless you tell it to use nfs ...
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| 13:15 | <Drakeweb> what does 7.10 use instead? using nfs?
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| 13:16 | <warren> ogra, doh
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| 13:16 | ogra, we can't do it in /tmp
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| 13:16 | ogra, too easy for somebody on the local system to possibly inject something while you are running the script
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| 13:16 | ogra, although, I guess this is only used by the devs, so it is OK...
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| 13:16 | ogra, ok, nevermind
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| 13:26 | <warren> ogra, hmm, no makefile to install stuff in ltsp core yet?
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| 13:26 | vagrantc, ogra, otavio, sbalneav, will there be a make install for client and server separately?
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> warren: i don't see why not.
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| 13:28 | <warren> what is the plan?
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> warren: that's what i asked for in the roadmap thread
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| 13:29 | <warren> vagrantc, I would prefer splitting this into two tarballs and two source repos, but ogra rejected that idea.
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc> warren: i'd be inclined to keep it all as one, but i'm open to discussion
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| 13:30 | <warren> vagrantc, the way we package things is typically "make install DESTDIR=/somewhere" and package everything in /somewhere. If we have both client and server in one tarball, then I have play stupid games.
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| 13:30 | vagrantc, ok, if you and ogra prefer to keep it one repo, then I'll have to live with that.
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> warren: i guess it's not hard to build multiple binary packages with debian tools ...
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| 13:31 | didn't realize that wasn't the case universally.
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| 13:31 | <warren> vagrantc, it isn't hard here either
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| 13:31 | just less clean
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> "play stupid games" ?
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| 13:32 | <warren> vagrantc, like... make install DESTDIR=/clientpath
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| 13:32 | make install DESTDIR=/serverpath
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| 13:32 | and building binary packages from that
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> i think having them be separate repositories ... will be hard to have consistant versioning
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| 13:32 | <warren> our .src.rpm normally never have two separate pths
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| 13:33 | I suppose if we did make install DESTDIR=/samepath with both of them, I could manually list every file to put into client and server packages, which is the normal way we would handle this.
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| 13:33 | <warren> then use client/make install (going directly into /) for local testing
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| 13:33 | OK, I guess this will work
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| 13:33 | but for now ltsp is missing makefiles
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc> patches presumably accepted
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| 13:36 | <Q-FUNK> hm. is X expected to fail on the client if the server is also used as a workstation?
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| 13:37 | <warren> Q-FUNK, no...?
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| 13:37 | Q-FUNK, I personally do all my LTSP testing/dev on my lapotp
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| 13:37 | Q-FUNK, thin client in both qemu-kvm virtual machines and plugged in via ethernet
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| 13:37 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 13:38 | here, I previously got "something" out of the thin client when I initially installed this Gutsy setup. now, X doesn't even try to start.
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| 13:39 | <Q-FUNK> however, back when I installed the server, it wasn't also used as a workstation
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| 13:39 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: you need things like a window manager and/or desktop environment installed on the server ...
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| 13:39 | * warren getting food | |
| 13:39 | <vagrantc> but X isn't starting at all ...
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| 13:39 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: been there, done that. read again: it's being used as a workstation too.
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| 13:40 | <vagrantc> means nothing to me
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| 13:40 | <Q-FUNK> to you, indeed
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| 13:41 | well.ubuntu-desktop is installed
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> LTSP doesn't care if the server is used as a workstation or not, as long as all the appropriate software is installed on the server.
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| 13:41 | <Q-FUNK> and so it is
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| 13:41 | <eharrison> and it is in the appropriate run level....
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| 13:41 | <vagrantc> ubuntu doesn't use runlevels
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| 13:42 | <eharrison> i was just checking on that ;-)
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| 13:42 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: do you have any SCREEN_NN entries in your lts.conf ?
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| 13:43 | <Q-FUNK> previously, I at least saw X try to start. now, not anymore.
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| 13:43 | nope
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| 13:45 | do we have a pastebot?
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> !pastebot
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| 13:45 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:46 | <ltsppbot> "Q-FUNK" pasted "lts.conf" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/363
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| 13:47 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: this is what I have
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| 13:47 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: and that's the same as it was when X was trying to start?
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| 13:48 | (as a side note, SOUND and SOUND_DAEMON would default to the values you've defined)
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| 13:48 | Q-FUNK: which version of ubuntu is this?
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| 13:48 | <Q-FUNK> back then, it was an empty file, I think
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| 13:48 | Gutsy
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| 13:48 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: try with an empty file again?
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| 13:49 | <Q-FUNK> the whole point of the non-empty file was to tell X to use 24-bit (actually, should be 32-bit) and the correct keymap
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| 13:50 | hm. still doesn't even try to start
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> well, you've changed multiple things at once, so start with an empty file, and add things back in one at a time ...
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| 13:50 | <Q-FUNK> yup. I commented everything. it still doesn't even try tostart.
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> there was a bug in the config file parsing ... you might need to have a dummy value in there...
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| 13:51 | say ... LTSP_DUMMY=true
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| 13:52 | otherwise you'll get an error and the init script will fail
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| 13:52 | i.e. if the file exists, but doesn't have any entries, it will fail.
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| 13:54 | <Q-FUNK> ouch
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| 13:54 | silly bug
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| 13:55 | <ltsppbot> "Q-FUNK" pasted "dpkg-reconfigure boo-boo" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/364
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| 13:55 | <Q-FUNK> was this ever fixed?
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| 13:56 | <Q-FUNK> it would need to either rename as .bak or delete, otherwise it fails
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> never seen that issue before
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| 13:57 | Q-FUNK: what command did you run that got that error ... from within the chroot ?
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| 13:59 | <ltsppbot> "Q-FUNK" pasted "more dpkg-reconfigure boo-boo" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/365
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| 14:00 | <Q-FUNK> http://pastebot.ltsp.org/365
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: ltsppbot will paste for us
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| 14:01 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> i get it on debian too
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| 14:02 | <Q-FUNK> anyhow, this really should be called elf.img
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| 14:02 | but above all, mkelfimage barfs is a file already exists
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| 14:02 | if
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| 14:03 | we need a mechanism like for the initrd.img to renamed to bak before proceeding
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> indeed.
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| 14:06 | might be better to output to a different file, and then move it into place before proceeding
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| 14:06 | er, move it into place if it works
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| 14:07 | * vagrantc wonders which branch to commit to | |
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> gah.
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| 14:08 | nothing but conflicts.
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| 14:08 | * vagrantc screams | |
| 14:08 | <vagrantc> upstream LTSP is a nightmare.
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| 14:09 | <johnny> temporarily i hope
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> yeah, one can hope
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| 14:10 | <johnny> there's some reorg going on? seems like nice ideas to split up the package
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> huge reorganization
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| 14:10 | <johnny> when i looked at the downloaded src, i was very suprised to see it all together
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| 14:11 | <vagrantc> i really want the split ... but things keep changing so much i don't want to resolve 55 conflicts every few days.
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| 14:13 | <johnny> it can't go on forever :)
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> meanwhile, i don't know where i should make patches
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| 14:24 | <cliebow> Drakeweb, no joy with your 2.6.20.3...kernel dpownloads...video goes out of range..the end of it
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| 15:27 | <Drakeweb> cliebow, can you tell me how to get the kernel to find its root path? Also, it is possible for a 2.4 kernel to boot into ltsp5?
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| 15:56 | <warren> packing up and heading home
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| 16:05 | <cliebow> Drakeweb, you can see frim root path in my dhcpd.conf that iput kernel and "chroot" all below /var/lib/tftpbooot..
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| 16:06 | i am tarring up i386.4.1.tar.gz you can find at http://169.244.3.137/i386.4.1.tar.gz
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| 16:10 | if he shows maybe someone can pass this on..
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| 16:17 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: did you have time to add your piece to bug 140051 about what works and what doesn't?
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| 16:46 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
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| 18:59 | <cliebow> Drakeweb:get my email??
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| 21:43 | <laserdrill> Hi all
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| 21:45 | <joebob777as7> what's up laserdrill ? do you spin or just melt?
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| 21:46 | <laserdrill> Interesting term! Just joining in to catch up on whats happening. I use LTSP
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| 21:47 | <joebob777as7> me too. i have no clue but i'm on it now...
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| 21:47 | <laserdrill> ok, what environment do you use it in?
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| 21:48 | <joebob777as7> edubuntu
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| 21:48 | easy
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| 21:48 | <laserdrill> ok, I use fedora
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| 21:49 | <joebob777as7> yeah how do you like it?
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| 21:49 | <laserdrill> I plan to have a look at edubuntu soon though
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| 21:49 | <joebob777as7> is it pretty easy to set up?
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| 21:49 | <laserdrill> Its easy to set up, works like it says and is, as you can imagine, rock solid.
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| 21:50 | <joebob777as7> nice
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| 21:50 | <laserdrill> Been at it only a few weeks now but its great.
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| 21:50 | <johnny> i never had a reason to use fedora
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| 21:51 | <joebob777as7> i don't use fedora because i have had issues with installing a couple times and never had an issue with ubuntu
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| 21:51 | <johnny> there was nothing special about it.. so i stayed with apt or portage
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| 21:51 | <laserdrill> I have used ubuntu quite a lot myself
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| 21:51 | <johnny> altho i do like the stuff they work on,
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| 21:51 | stuff that gets integrated with other distros
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| 21:51 | <laserdrill> yeah
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| 21:52 | I had some issues with ubuntu between 6.10 and 7.04 that hit me hard
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| 21:52 | <johnny> i think i did too
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| 21:52 | <joebob777as7> yeah? what?
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| 21:52 | <johnny> but i fixed em
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| 21:52 | on my gf's PC
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| 21:53 | i don't remember what they were tho
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| 21:53 | <laserdrill> The printing broke at a very bad time
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| 21:53 | <johnny> feels like ages ago
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| 21:53 | <joebob777as7> i don't like poor dvd playback it's difficult to set up and buggy
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| 21:54 | <laserdrill> I had a real nightmare with my dvd player too, although video playback from other sources was fine
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| 21:54 | I suspect all that has been fixed now though.
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| 21:55 | <joebob777as7> i have flash sound issues on my ltsp clients. non of their sounds work when watching flash anything in browser...
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| 21:55 | <laserdrill> I have been attempting to run a ltsp desktop as a remote desktop on another linux box, but haven't got it to work right.
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| 21:55 | Haven't worked on the sound yet in my setup
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| 21:58 | Wonder who knows about this. I have tried several computers to boot from the network from bios and they mostly work when the server has a 10/100 nic, but fail when I use a Giga nic.
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| 22:00 | <joebob777as7> weird i've never had an issue...
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| 22:00 | <laserdrill> What nics are you using? My clients are 10/100 with the giga nic in the server
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| 22:06 | <joebob777as7> all onboard with pxeboot
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| 22:06 | cheapo boards $30
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| 22:10 | <laserdrill> hmmm
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| 22:11 | I haven't been able to quite figure it out
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| 22:11 | I never expected the problem to begin with
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| 22:13 | There is othing wrong with the giga nic either, everything else works fine with it.
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| 22:16 | <joebob777as7> laserdrill, does it support pxe?
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| 22:18 | <laserdrill> Yes
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| 22:19 | <joebob777as7> does it show up in bios boot menu?
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| 22:21 | <laserdrill> on the clients yes
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| 22:22 | <joebob777as7> but it doesn't try to boot to it?
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| 22:22 | did you enable legacy lan?
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| 22:22 | <laserdrill> The problem seems to have to do with the speed of the nic, although I can't see why. A few people have reorted similar problems on the net
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| 22:23 | Not, its a very new ethernet lan with a dlink gigabit switch
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| 22:24 | <joebob777as7> weird i have mixed environment here works fine...
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| 22:24 | <laserdrill> Only thing else I can think of would be the cable.
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| 22:24 | <joebob777as7> cat 5 does gigabit
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| 22:24 | <laserdrill> I do find it wiered, this just should bot happen
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| 22:24 | the cables are cat5e
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| 22:25 | and the runs are short
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| 22:27 | <joebob777as7> switch
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| 22:28 | <laserdrill> dlink giga switch
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| 22:28 | <joebob777as7> i have had nothing but issues with dlink
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| 22:29 | <laserdrill> you serious? its the first one I've used except for a wireless that I play around with
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| 22:30 | What kind do you use?
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| 22:31 | <joebob777as7> linksys
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| 22:32 | i have had multiple failures from dlink devices
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| 22:32 | very strange issues start happening...
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| 22:32 | <laserdrill> I'll bear that in mind and try another switch
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| 22:33 | <joebob777as7> well just do a crossover
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| 22:33 | <laserdrill> I never really thought about the switch
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| 22:33 | Yeah, that should work. I'll try that.
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| 22:34 | <joebob777as7> ok let me know
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| 22:34 | <laserdrill> ok joebob, will do
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