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| 06:10 | <polytan> hi guys
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| 08:12 | <Sarten-X> happy bot...
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| 08:46 | <nubae> stgraber: what are your ideas for built in support for Sugar in Jaunty LTSP?
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| 10:11 | <francisc1701> hi, I'm having the problem described here: http://tinyurl.com/65ad85 (or very similar), only with ubuntu intrepid. What should I do?
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| 10:11 | <saga> hi room i want to remove /opt/ltsp/i386 directory but i cant remove it "rm -rf *" command says device is busy
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| 10:12 | how can i remove the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory
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| 10:16 | topic
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| 10:20 | <jhutchins> It sees them. I can mount them to the local machine from the console, but that doesn't do any good. All of the troubleshooting steps in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev are ok, except the ltsp udev rule. Debian etchandahalf w/LTSP5
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| 10:20 | Oops. Looking for help on mounting local USB devices.
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| 10:28 | <Ahmuck> !docs
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| 10:28 | <ltspbot> Ahmuck: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:29 | <Ahmuck> !docs
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| 10:29 | <ltspbot> Ahmuck: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:29 | <Ahmuck> !doc
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| 10:29 | <ltspbot> Ahmuck: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
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| 10:30 | <jhutchins> Ahmuck: are you trying to do something useful there?
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| 10:32 | <Ahmuck> jhutchins: yes, sbalneav or stgraber has a special set of docs
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| 10:32 | i'm trying to find them. they are outside of the usual docs
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| 10:33 | jhutchins: edbuntu ?
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| 10:33 | <jhutchins> what about it?
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| 10:49 | <johnny> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 10:49 | or !doco
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| 10:49 | oh.. yes.. that is the normal docs
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| 10:49 | those are the docs that sbalneav is working on
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| 10:49 | <Ahmuck> ah, ok, thx
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| 10:50 | now i know why i got confused. his address is different than what the bot was showing for the !do* trigger
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| 10:51 | <johnny> looks the same to me for !docs..
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| 10:52 | <Ahmuck> http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html !the same
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| 10:58 | <polytan> johnny, do you know if your installation of ltsp takes care of the lts.conf on the client machines ?
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| 10:58 | <johnny> huh? installation?
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| 10:59 | it should not be installed, but instead be fetched
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| 10:59 | on boot
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| 10:59 | if you look in /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup you'll see how it works
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| 10:59 | i stole it from warren
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| 10:59 | <polytan> ok
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| 10:59 | thanks :)
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| 11:00 | <johnny> ubuntu does it differently
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| 11:00 | they pull in the initramfs, before actually being booted into the system
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| 11:00 | <polytan> I thought that we had to modify things in /etc/ltsp/lts.conf and ltsp-client-setup read it on boot
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| 11:00 | <johnny> pull it while in the initramfs rather
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| 11:00 | it should be stored in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/{chrootname}
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| 11:01 | just like on ubuntu
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| 11:01 | <polytan> ok
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| 11:01 | <johnny> along side the kernel
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| 11:01 | basically
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| 11:03 | hmm..
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| 11:04 | * johnny wishes he could find firefox 3.0.5 beta rpm | |
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| 11:28 | <jhutchins> johnny: Mozilla doesn't release rpm's.
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| 11:29 | johnny: RPM distros don't distrubute betas.
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| 11:29 | <johnny> sure.. but somebody may have packaged it up
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| 11:29 | in external repositories
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| 11:29 | it has a very important bugfix that assists in web development
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| 11:30 | finally firebug can inspect posted parameters that were sent
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| 11:30 | instead of doing a 2nd post
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| 11:30 | which may have different results
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| 11:30 | <jhutchins> johnny: So build your own rpm.
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| 11:30 | <johnny> if i knew anything about rpms i could :)
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| 11:30 | hehe
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| 11:31 | at that point.. i'd go with firefox 3.1 i guess
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| 12:29 | <pasmen> hi
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| 12:29 | i have a question regarding LTSP5 on Ubuntu 8.10
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| 12:29 | <Ahmuck> hi pasmen
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| 12:29 | shoot
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| 12:29 | <pasmen> is there a way how to use just a rdesktop screen script and have access to local devices?
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| 12:30 | <Ahmuck> local devices on the client ?
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| 12:30 | <pasmen> yup
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| 12:31 | I have read that local devices rely on ldm, but didn't find any details
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| 13:14 | <Ahmuck> pasmen: have you tried edubuntu?
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| 13:33 | <pasmen> no I haven't tried that, I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 alternate CD to install LTSP
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| 13:34 | local devices work just fine with gnome session, but I'm using it to reach W2003 server, where users need their USB keys and so on
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| 13:43 | <johnny> pasmen, it seems like the folks who know such things, are not available right now.. try back after the weekend.. during usa/europe daylight hours
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> pasmen: there is an rdesktop option (-r), to forward local ports, disks & devices... I don't know how well it works, see "man rdesktop" for details.
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| 13:43 | <johnny> or not :)
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> johnny: bah... I've just tried it once 6 months ago!
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| 13:43 | Saw that it can be done, and never used it again! :)
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| 13:43 | <pasmen> I know about the -r option
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| 13:44 | it works well as far as I can tell, tried it couple of times
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> pasmen: have you also enabled local devices in lts.conf?
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| 13:44 | <johnny> alkisg, that never needs to be done
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| 13:44 | <pasmen> local devices are enabled by default, as said by the manual
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| 13:44 | <johnny> it is on by default in all ltsp5
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| 13:45 | <pasmen> anyway, I can redirect i.e. local USB key, in /var/run/drives
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| 13:45 | <alkisg> johnny: ok, it's the swap that's not enabled by default, sorry...
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| 13:45 | <pasmen> there gets created need directory, but it's empty
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| 13:45 | it gets populated only when using ldm session and accessing the directory from within Gnome
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> pasmen: ok, there must be scripts / permissions / fuse groups etc for that, so do what johnny said: wait for after the weekend! :)
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| 13:47 | <johnny> yeah.. if you use ldap/ad
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| 13:47 | make sure the users are in the primary group of their name
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| 13:47 | <pasmen> thats all true :-)
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| 13:47 | <johnny> but then again.. maybe that is only applicable for linux
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| 13:47 | <pasmen> well
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| 13:47 | it does work using ldm
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| 13:48 | rdesktop -r option does work
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| 13:48 | the only bridge I would need to make is populating /var/run/drives/xxx with the local device content
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| 13:48 | whenever it gets plugged in
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| 13:48 | that's where I'm stucked
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| 13:49 | maybe it's the lack of insight into the process of how ldm works
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| 13:50 | I'm sure that if I knew how it works, I would be able to make necessary changes myself (I hope ;-)
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| 13:52 | I guess there would be a chance of getting it done using the combination of ldm autologin and ~/.xinitrc calling the rdesktop script
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> Not ltsp related: could someone tell me how to backup the home dirs so that I can write them to DVDs? Is "tar -cvfz /tmp/home.tar.gz /home/" OK?
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| 13:53 | (with a sudo in front)
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| 13:53 | <nubae> yep
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> nubae: thank you very much!
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| 14:04 | <Ahmuck> alkisg: bacula
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| 14:04 | er
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| 14:05 | actually that is a question of mine as well. i assume one can backup /home and dump to a dvd if os needs restoration?
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> Ahmuck: well, I suppose so, I can't see why not
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| 14:06 | <Ahmuck> iirc, i tried that once with a distro and it complained alot about PAM
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| 14:06 | or something
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| 14:06 | <alkisg> Ahmuck: maybe you tried to backup / instead of /home?
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| 14:07 | <Ahmuck> hrm, maybe
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> The few times I cloned /, I used a live CD so that the file system isn't used
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| 14:16 | <johnny> you should use p
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| 14:16 | that's where you went wrong
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| 14:16 | cvpzf
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| 14:16 | it didn't keep your privs
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| 14:17 | nubae, alkisg Ahmuck .. DO NOT FORGET IT
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| 14:21 | <jhutchins> tar defaults to p/
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| 14:21 | .
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| 14:21 | If you're running with root priv's.
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> johnny, ty!
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| 14:34 | <pasmen> Thanks for help, I'll try luck after the weekend :-)
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| 14:34 | bye
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> jhutchins: ok, now I got it (read the man page)...
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| 15:08 | <johnny> jhutchins, didn't know that actually
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| 19:55 | <nothingman> #edubuntu is rather silent, so maybe someone here can help me?
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| 19:56 | <vagrantc> !question
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| 19:56 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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| 19:57 | <nothingman> I installed edubuntu-server via apt on my laptop running (x)(k)ubuntu, and my /opt directory is empty. I set up DHCP correctly and the client (a laptop with no HD) gets ip but hangs on TFTP for the reason previously mentioned
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> probably need to run "sudo ltsp-build-client"
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| 20:01 | <nothingman> command not found
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| 20:02 | oh, fortunately ltsp-server is only 300+k
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| 20:02 | <vagrantc> hmmm... i would think edutbuntu server would have a dependency on ltsp, but i guess not.
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| 20:02 | you probably want to install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 20:02 | <nothingman> (on AT&T wireless in a hicktown w/ no 3g)
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| 20:06 | <nothingman> so now I won't want to run ltsp-build-client until I'm near WiFi, right?
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| 20:07 | <vagrantc> you'll need network access, unless you've got an edubuntu CD ...
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| 20:07 | <nothingman> ooh, I might...
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| 20:07 | oh, but not x64
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| 20:08 | * nothingman is stupit | |
| 20:08 | * nothingman can't spell, either | |
| 20:08 | <vagrantc> well, you'll probably want to install an i386 version for the thin-clients anyways
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| 20:08 | unlessa all your thin clients are amd64...
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| 20:08 | <nothingman> oh, huzzah!
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| 20:08 | good point
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| 20:08 | <vagrantc> i'm not positive it would work with the CD ... but basically ...
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| 20:09 | ltsp-build-client --mirror file://path/to/mounted/cd --security-mirror none
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| 20:09 | something like that
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| 20:09 | oh, and --arch i386
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| 20:10 | i work on the debian implementation, which is similar, but sometimes there are differences to ubuntu
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| 20:15 | <nothingman> only my optical's kicked it, I think
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| 20:17 | well, crap
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| 20:17 | so much for testing it this weekend
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| 20:17 | <nothingman> I have a server at one of my schools, though, and it works very well!
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| 20:18 | <alex_21> Hi, My video flickers on my client as if it is a bunch of still frames
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| 20:18 | <nothingman> but the other school doesn't have a powerful enough machine available for a server
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| 20:18 | <alex_21> Like seconds between frames
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| 20:18 | <nothingman> so I wanted to thank all those involved
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| 20:18 | (wherever you may be
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| 20:18 | )
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| 20:19 | <alex_21> So you too have a server that isn't exactly powerful enough?
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| 20:33 | <alex_21> Like seconds between frames
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| 20:33 | Hi, My video flickers on my client as if it is a bunch of still frames
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| 20:39 | <nothingman> alex_21: one of my schools doesn't have a machine available
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| 20:40 | so I haven't bothered
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| 20:40 | <nothingman> but I'm installing edubuntu on my laptop to use it as a server
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| 21:23 | <alex_21> Wow, sweet
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| 21:24 | Do you guys know the minimux I can get away with for a TC running Edubulntu
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| 21:24 | ?
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| 21:24 | Ram that is
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| 21:24 | RAM!
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| 21:24 | Minimum amout of RAM needed for a TC running Edubuntu?
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| 21:34 | <pmatulis_home> ltsp on Ubuntu, Hardy or Intrepid?
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| 21:34 | <vagrantc> !serversize
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| 21:34 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "serversize" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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| 21:44 | <alex_21> Hardy
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| 21:46 | And I am just wondering if my 288 MB machine will work
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| 21:49 | <nothingman> alex_21: what processor?
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| 21:50 | <alex_21> I have no clue
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| 21:50 | Vetvista 2200 from IBM. I was wondering if 32 MB is not enough and whether I should go all out and to 288 MB
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| 21:51 | The wiki says nothing about this if I remember correctly
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| 21:53 | <nothingman> well, from what I've seen they recommend 128MB * the number of terminals, if you're running thin clients (processes running on the server)
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| 21:53 | and that's beyond the base for the server itself
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| 21:53 | if they're all fat clients, you can get away with about 256MB
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| 21:54 | but that's pushing it
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| 21:54 | <nothingman> I have 768MB in mine, and it runs pretty well with 4 clients attached so far
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| 21:54 | but I'm going to make them all fat clients
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| 22:03 | <Sarten-X> how do you pick fat vs. thin clients?
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| 22:04 | <alex_21> I mean for the clients, can they have 32 MB locally and work
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| 22:04 | * Sarten-X dunno | |
| 22:05 | * Sarten-X is new to this whole thing | |
| 22:05 | <alex_21> Well, fat clients I think are pcs stripped down, and thin clients are special terminal machines, I think
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| 22:06 | <alex_21> I have a little experiance with this
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| 22:06 | <alex_21> So ask away if you will
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| 22:12 | <Sarten-X> well
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| 22:13 | <Sarten-X> I'm going off to set up donated computers in Africa
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| 22:13 | i've heard edubuntu + LTSP is good, but I've never played with it
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| 22:14 | <alex_21> I am doing the same thing in Mexico, lol
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| 22:16 | <alex_21> So I can vouch for it under all but one circumstance. What is your situation?
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| 22:17 | Edubuntu and LTSP is great, particualarally 8.04 for low maintenance
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| 22:17 | <pmatulis_home> alex_21: why hardy over intrepid?
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| 22:18 | <alex_21> Run sudoo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade and sudo apt-get update like this in a shell script from time to time with Crontab and It will auto update the server. Then set it to Sudo Reboot every time after upgrade with crontab. It is pretty nice
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| 22:18 | <Sarten-X> I'll be using donated stuff, but I'm not the one getting it to Africa, so I have no idea what hardware I'll end up with
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| 22:19 | heh
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| 22:19 | no internet connection, either
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| 22:19 | <alex_21> Intreped isn't stable yet for screen readers and other access software from what I hear, and also it is a lts support, so if you use the thing over seas it is better for maintenamce
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| 22:20 | Not even Dialup?
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| 22:20 | <Sarten-X> not even dialup
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| 22:21 | <alex_21> Then you will need to do some serious planning to make sure you have the latest screen readers/magnifiers/other acess software
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| 22:21 | <Sarten-X> i'm not worried about that
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| 22:21 | <alex_21> So have the best accessibility
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| 22:22 | What is it for?
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| 22:23 | <Sarten-X> it's for schools, but it's more important to get something working, rather than worry about things that'll only be used a very small percentage of the time
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| 22:23 | I leave on the 7th
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| 22:23 | <alex_21> I'm sorry to say that nothing is more important that accessibility and including every student
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| 22:25 | <Sarten-X> here, yes
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| 22:25 | in africa, not really
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| 22:25 | <alex_21> All you need is the lates package for Orca, eSpeak, and one of the Speech recognition tools, as well as the slowkeys and slowmouse stuff, and all the dependancies of course
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| 22:25 | * Sarten-X adds it to notes | |
| 22:26 | <alex_21> Look, I work with many people like that. You wouldn't believe how horribly off the challenged are, even worse than everyone else
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| 22:27 | I would say I'd join you, but my first two projects labs are already planned
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| 22:27 | <Sarten-X> i realize that
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| 22:27 | I'll see what I can do
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| 22:27 | <alex_21> I can help over the computer though if you need help
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| 22:27 | <Sarten-X> harsh reality is, kids in africa with disabilities usually don't make it to the schools
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| 22:28 | <alex_21> Lol, I know how hard it can be even ain a developed nation, blind smiley, to get good computer support, and therefore do well
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| 22:28 | <Sarten-X> yeah
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| 22:28 | <alex_21> Not true, a lot, exspecially visually impaired ones, make it to university
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| 22:28 | In Africa
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| 22:29 | <Sarten-X> don't get me wrong... I'm all for accessibility
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| 22:29 | <alex_21> I won't say I am as bad off as people in countries like Africa though
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| 22:29 | <Sarten-X> but I've already asked the other volunteers about it, and they tell me it's not a concern at all
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| 22:29 | <alex_21> In your hands is the power to change the fact that students with disabilities won't make it into the schools
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| 22:30 | With the right support these kids can reach their full potential
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| 22:31 | It is not in the main interest of many volunteer groups, but you can make a big difference in a lot of lives by doing what most people don't spend time doing
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| 22:31 | <alex_21> I mean, even huge companies don't give a, ... about us with disabilities
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| 22:32 | I don't want to nag, but I will do what I can for you to make this happen
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| 22:32 | <Sarten-X> the problem isn't the school, though
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| 22:32 | er
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| 22:32 | not the services at the school
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| 22:32 | <alex_21> Then what is it.
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| 22:32 | ?
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| 22:32 | <Sarten-X> the kids just don't go to school. period.
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| 22:33 | the schools I'm volunteering at are in rural Ghana. If kids can't get themselves to school, they just don't go.
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| 22:34 | <alex_21> I know. All through history that was the problem. In Canada, until recently kids with disabilities were segrigated. In a lot of developing nature kids are kept home because they, ... they do't have the resrouces to support them
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| 22:34 | <Sarten-X> something like 25% of the students there leave early to go work in the markets
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| 22:35 | there are other volunteers working on ways to help attendence, but there's been resistance to that from the community
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| 22:35 | <alex_21> That is really sad. I feel like every lab I plan will be all for not. It is too hard
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| 22:35 | <Sarten-X> nah
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| 22:36 | every bit of aid is good
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| 22:36 | <alex_21> See this, if a student can learn, they may not be able to do phisical work because of a disability, but they can be seen as a great help to their comunity all the same
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| 22:37 | And my problem is that I am working out of every corner to make this labs stuff happen, but I don't have resources
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| 22:37 | <Sarten-X> yep
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| 22:37 | <alex_21> Sad Sobbing Smiley
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| 22:37 | <Sarten-X> such is the life of a volunteer
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| 22:38 | <alex_21> I know. I am frustrated that I can't find enough old machines to meet my needs
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| 22:38 | My labs project hads been delayed over a year now
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| 22:39 | And if something isn't done, I am sure it will take another year
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| 22:39 | <Sarten-X> we're hoping that by getting computers into the schools, and a new library (a project recently done by other volunteers), it'll get the community more interested in the school's potential to help
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| 22:41 | all it takes there is a few of the community elders to give their blessing to a project, and the entire community will follow
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| 22:43 | <alex_21> Exactly. In most third world countries, people with disabilities are scene as helpless. By changing that and realizing the full potential, that can all change, and we will have gotten rid of a big social block
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| 22:43 | <Sarten-X> I agree
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| 22:43 | <alex_21> It is sad to see this kind of stuff happen to people, when it isn't their fault
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| 22:44 | If you use Hardy, you will find the latest accessibility stuff pretty much there already except for speech regonition. I don't remember if slowkeys and slowmouse is included, but it may
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| 22:45 | <Sarten-X> the problem I face is that disabled kids won't even make it to the computers in the first place
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| 22:46 | <alex_21> I can't even remember what they are called, but Googleing Linux Accessibility will work to bring them up. If you are using GNome, make sure the tools you download are for gnome or if you are using KDE, KDE tools
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| 22:47 | <Sarten-X> that annoys me to no end, but there's little I'll be able to do about it right now
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| 22:47 | <alex_21> I know they aren't calld slowmouse and slowkeys
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| 22:47 | <Sarten-X> yeah
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| 22:47 | I've used them before
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| 22:47 | <alex_21> Well, that will take effort on all parts, but when you show people the lab, pointing out the accessibility and its implications will help a lot
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| 22:48 | <Sarten-X> yeah
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| 22:48 | i'll try
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| 22:48 | <alex_21> And making sure people know it is there will help
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| 22:48 | <Sarten-X> I still don't know how feasible it will be
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| 22:48 | <Sarten-X> last I knew, the room for the computers wasn't even built yet
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| 22:49 | <alex_21> That is the best you can do. Unfortuanately you can lead a hore to watter but you can't make it drink
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| 22:49 | That is the best you can do. Unfortunately you can lead a horse to watter but you can't make it drink
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| 22:50 | <alex_21> That is the sad truth
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| 22:51 | <Sarten-X> indeed
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| 22:51 | I think what I'll actually end up doing is training several people to use & administer their installations
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| 22:51 | then send them updates every so often
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| 22:52 | <alex_21> On another note, here is a trick. If you know what model of comp you will have for a server, install the OS here, and while you still have the net update it and install all needed components. Then afterwards, take it out and take the hdd with you
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| 22:52 | I mean install it on the same or similar computer here
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| 22:53 | That way when you leave, you will have a full blown hdd with all the stuff on it
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| 22:53 | And all you will need to do is plug it in when you get there
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| 22:53 | <Sarten-X> I have no idea what hardware I'll have there
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| 22:54 | and I know the computers will all be slightly different, too
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| 22:58 | <alex_21> That is unavoidable
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| 22:58 | <Sarten-X> yep
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| 23:00 | <alex_21> It was just a thought. Also, there is a tool for making a disk of all the packages installed to a Ubuntu/Edubuntu box, so if you istall a barebones install here, and then aply updates/add accessibility software, then make this disk, when you get to the place you are going, simply pop the disk in, add it as a repository, and vuoal, you can install all the updates. You can make cds and send them later too for future updates
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| 23:00 | It doesn't matter what kind of computer you install the barebones os onto, it will prbably still work
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| 23:00 | On the labs server
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| 23:01 | <Sarten-X> yeah
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| 23:01 | that's what I'll do for the upgrades
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| 23:03 | <alex_21> It is automated. You may want to do it before you leave so that all the new updates are installed before you while you are there
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| 23:03 | Just a sugestion
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| 23:04 | BTW: What organization do you work with?
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| 23:05 | <Sarten-X> i'm going with Kids Worldwide
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| 23:06 | http://www.kidsworldwide.org
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| 23:07 | <alex_21> Neat. I am working independantly, which is really hard. Well, independant, with the VIPBC.org/AWEBSIGHT Group
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| 23:07 | http://www.vipbc.org/
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| 23:08 | http://www.vipbc.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi if you are on Windows
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| 23:08 | So, yeah, it is a very small, non-profet group
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| 23:09 | <Sarten-X> nice
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| 23:09 | small is definitely good
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| 23:14 | <alex_21> Yeah, too true
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| 23:14 | But we can't find enough old machines
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| 23:14 | Blind smiley
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| 23:16 | <Sarten-X> heh
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| 23:16 | yeah
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| 23:19 | <alex_21> Too true
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| 23:20 | I'm sure they are out ther, I just have no idea where to start looking for them
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| 23:21 | <Sarten-X> universities, big companies, and recycling companies
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| 23:24 | <stgraber> yeah ...
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| 23:25 | oops :), /me wonders why he had that in his irssi window ...
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| 23:25 | <Sarten-X> or if you're in the right kind of area for it, a newspaper ad asking for donations may help
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| 23:29 | <jhutchins> alex_21: should be able to.
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| 23:30 | <jhutchins> alex_21: You might need to start looking at a stripped, optomized kernel.
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| 23:32 | <alex_21> I have akernal for it, but I wasn't sure if 32 MB was enough. This box can take 288 MB or RAM max
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| 23:35 | The wiki article didn't say if the kernal needed 288 MB or if 32 MB or RAM was enough
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| 23:37 | What is the difference on the client side?
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| 23:37 | <alkisg> alex_21: The wiki says the absolute minimum is 48MB (with no kernel modifications), and 128 MB is the proposed RAM.
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| 23:39 | <alex_21> Ok, confused here. I got the kernal from the Netvista page of the wiki, so I think it may be optimized
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| 23:39 | <alkisg> If you don't have enough RAM, NBD swapping will be automatically enabled for RAM <= 48 MB, and the TC will be *very* slow (= unusable).
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| 23:39 | alex_21: sorry, I thought you were talking about the ltsp page
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| 23:39 | <alex_21> Oh, no problem
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| 23:39 | I should have been clearer
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| 23:44 | <alex_21> I don't recomend them the IBM Netvista 2200's to anyone
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| 23:44 | They are a pain if they don't have the latest firmware
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| 23:56 | Well thanks for all your help.
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| 23:56 | Good luck to all of you with your projects
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| 23:56 | Good night. Bani Bash
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