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Channel log from 20 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:23 | <Barni> hi all
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| 00:23 | i need help
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| 00:24 | does anybody have experience with dosemu on LTSP?
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| 00:24 | my problem it is it's eating 100% CPU
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| 00:31 | <garbat> Hello to all. I have one configuration ltsp-5 with ubuntu 7.04. To the logon of the thin client on the desktop I have the assembly of scasidisk-sda1, scasidisk-sda2. How possso to make in order to eliminate them without to remove the support for the local-devices?
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| 01:59 | <Barni> i have LTSP server and when i try to ogin from thin client there is an options button, where I can select SESSION
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| 02:00 | how it is possible to manage them ?
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| 02:00 | to eliminate for example KDE and so and so
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| 03:54 | <vporo> where can I find scripts that create tmpfs mounts?
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| 03:57 | I am trying to add newer version of the nvidia driver for the thin client
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| 03:59 | I have it in the nfs-root but it does not help because /lib/modules/<kernel version>/volatile is mounted with tmpfs
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| 04:08 | <cyberorg> vporo: grep bind in client init script
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| 04:08 | there is a function bind_mounts
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| 04:33 | <klausade> vagrantc: for fun I installed ldm from sid in etch (debian-edu), it worked. Gave me a new nice reboot-button and it now displays the ip-adr of the client in the corner of ldm.
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| 04:33 | <vagrantc> klausade: ah, good. i was hoping to test that
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| 04:34 | klausade: there's a repository on http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian that's just packages pulled from sid and lenny, intended to be used with etch, hopefully
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| 04:34 | <klausade> vagrantc: but, the icons for shutdown and reboot are not easily recognizable as such.
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| 04:35 | vagrantc: what is the sources.list url for that?
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| 04:38 | <ogra> klausade, the new UI is a lot better, i'm just packaging it in ubuntu, should show up these days in sid then if vagrantc merges it
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| 04:38 | <vagrantc> klausade: http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports
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| 04:38 | klausade: and also
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| 04:38 | klausade: er, ooops
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| 04:39 | klausade: deb http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main
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| 04:39 | klausade: deb http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian sid-ltsp main
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| 04:39 | klausade: i'll move the sid-ltsp into etch-ltsp-backports when it seems like they work with etch.
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| 04:41 | klausade: at some point we might actually have to start rebuilding the packages on etch, and maybe muddle with dependencies and such
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| 04:56 | <vagrantc> ogra: you're just replacing the old LDM with it, yes?
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| 04:56 | i.e. no new packages
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| 04:56 | <ogra> right
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| 04:56 | i want to prevet NEw as long as the code isnt cleaned
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| 04:57 | we'll heave an ldm-gtk and ldm-qt in the future i guess though
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| 04:57 | <vagrantc> maybe i'll get an upload into experimental, then
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| 04:57 | <ogra> scott also needs to clean some stuff ... i.e. we have no themeing yet
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| 04:57 | <vagrantc> i want to make sure 5.0.8debian2 his testing, though
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| 04:58 | <ogra> install locations need to change etc
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| 04:58 | (i dont want the greeter in /usr/bin)
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| 04:58 | <vagrantc> today i've got to finish my LTSP talk or i'll never get it done... most folks are away on a day trip
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| 04:58 | <ogra> the initial package wont be the last, its just a quickie
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| 04:58 | <vagrantc> so it's a little quieter
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| 04:59 | * vagrantc silently steals bits from jammcq's talk | |
| 05:00 | <ogra> :)
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| 05:00 | <vagrantc> it's a good thing i pretty much know what i'm talking about.
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| 05:00 | <ogra> yeah
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| 05:01 | xhmm, do i drop the whole postinst ....
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| 05:01 | * ogra just adds comments ... | |
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| 05:05 | <garbat> Hello to all. I have one configuration ltsp-5 with ubuntu 7.04. To the logon of the thin client on the desktop I have the assembly of scasidisk-sda1, scasidisk-sda2. How possso to make in order to eliminate them without to remove the support for the local-devices?
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| 05:06 | <vagrantc> garbat: good question
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| 05:07 | only thing i can think of is maybe editing the udev rules ... but that's kind of ugly
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| 05:09 | garbat: that's a good feature request :)
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| 05:12 | jammcq: so, LTSP 1 & 2 grabbed binaries from the host system ... sort of like what tcos is doing ?
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| 05:14 | <garbat> it remains to make only this sagacity me in order to implement the good solution of ltsp on my scholastic laboratory
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| 05:17 | I had a doubt also in order to take apart the devices local you like usb, but I have collected the info of ogra that informed me on the taking apart automatic rifle of the devices you
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| 05:18 | <vagrantc> garbat: it's a little hard to understand you ...
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| 05:19 | <garbat> excuse but i'm Italian and my English is insufficient...
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| 05:20 | <vagrantc> my italian is certainly worse :)
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| 05:22 | garbat: so ... "taking apart automatic rifle" is what i'm not understanding ...
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| 05:24 | <garbat> vagrantc: I had asked info for unmount local devices (usb, pen drive)...
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| 05:26 | <garbat> ...and ogra it has answered to me that the local devices unmount automatically after 2 second
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| 05:26 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 05:27 | <garbat> ...two second ones after to have received the data
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| 05:49 | <ogra> vagrantc, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-June/003503.html :)
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| 05:49 | vagrantc, the branch is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/scotts-gutsy-ogra
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| 05:49 | <vagrantc> ogra: cool
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| 05:50 | scotts-gutsy-ogra ? :P
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| 05:50 | <ogra> not tested yet ... i'm waiting for the package to be in the archive
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| 05:50 | well, my changes to the scotts-gutsy branch :)
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| 05:51 | <vagrantc> well yeah... but ...
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| 05:51 | <ogra> vagrantc, i needed to change a lot in the deps, you need to check if debian has the ubuntulooks engine, else the gtkrc must be changed to clearlooks or so
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| 05:51 | * vagrantc wonders how hard it will be to merge the new ldm without all the other changes in gutsy | |
| 05:51 | <ogra> should work
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| 05:52 | the code is in two separaate dirs ...
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| 05:52 | the only stuff to merge is in debian/
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| 05:53 | <vagrantc> if we can get some new packages in experimental before debconf is over, that would be nice
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| 05:53 | <ogra> i really think just merging my last change should work
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| 05:53 | from gutsy-ltsp
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| 05:54 | oh i havent pushed gutsy-ltsp yet ....
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| 05:54 | * ogra does so | |
| 05:55 | <ogra> seems the subscribe/mail changes feature finally started working on LP
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| 05:55 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 05:56 | <ogra> you can get mailed te whole diff or only the changelog ... nice
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| 05:57 | * vagrantc is attempting to write the talk using GVIM instead of openoffice presenter | |
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| 06:01 | <klausade> vagrantc: installed ldm 5.0.8debian2 just fine on etch, from sid-ltsp archive.
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| 06:01 | <vagrantc> klausade: just server-side ?
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| 06:01 | <edgarin> Hi people
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| 06:01 | vagrantc, Hi!!
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| 06:01 | vagrantc, you are in the debconf7?
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| 06:01 | <vagrantc> klausade: or did you run ltsp-build-client with the --extra-mirror "http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian sid-ltsp main" argument ?
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| 06:02 | edgarin: indeed!
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| 06:02 | <ogra> he pretends to
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| 06:02 | <vagrantc> edgarin: currently trying to put together my LTSP talk ...
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| 06:02 | <klausade> vagrantc: installed it in the chroot.
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| 06:02 | vagrantc: ltsp-build-client is done during install of debian-edu.
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| 06:02 | <edgarin> vagrantc, cool!! you conference have streaming?
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| 06:02 | <vagrantc> klausade: ah.
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| 06:03 | <edgarin> vagrantc, I want see your conference :)
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| 06:03 | <vagrantc> edgarin: should
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| 06:03 | edgarin: today, most folks are away on a day trip ...
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| 06:03 | <edgarin> vagrantc, ok
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| 06:03 | vagrantc, you arrived today to the debconf?
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| 06:03 | <vagrantc> edgarin: no, been here for a while now
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| 06:03 | <edgarin> ahh ok
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| 06:03 | vagrantc, http://streams.video.debconf.org:8000/
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| 06:04 | no have conferences :(
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| 06:04 | <vagrantc> edgarin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/06/msg00006.html
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| 06:05 | <edgarin> vagrantc, what is the name of your conference?
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| 06:05 | <vagrantc> edgarin: you mean talk ?
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| 06:06 | edgarin: https://penta.debconf.org/~joerg/events/22.en.html
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| 06:07 | <edgarin> vagrantc, umm the link don't works
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| 06:07 | :(
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| 06:07 | <vagrantc> edgarin: it might be broken today. should be back tomorrow
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| 06:07 | <edgarin> vagrantc, Which is the name of your conference?
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| 06:07 | <vagrantc> edgarin: debconf7 ?
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| 06:07 | <edgarin> vagrantc, yes
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| 06:08 | <vporo> I'am sorry. I had some lunch and missed the probable answer to my question
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| 06:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: not that you'd know ... but why the -0.1 directories attached to all the new ldm2 stuff ...
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| 06:09 | <ogra> ask scott ...
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| 06:09 | as i said want a bunch of changes :)
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| 06:09 | <vagrantc> ogra: you should merge my ldm.postinst patch to use lsb_release to determine which distro gets the default theme
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| 06:09 | <ogra> ah, right
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| 06:09 | well, we have to redo that part anyway for the new greeter
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| 06:10 | currently there is no themeing
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| 06:10 | <vagrantc> ah, right
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| 06:10 | heh
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| 06:10 | <ogra> it will show up as edubuntu :P
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| 06:10 | because i didnt have a proper sized ubuntu logo around
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| 06:10 | <vagrantc> ldm.postinst was the only obvious conflict ... there might be other more subtle ones
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| 06:10 | <ogra> well, postinst *could* go atm ...
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| 06:11 | we'll have to add it later, but atm its fine without
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| 06:11 | even though ... we should probably just have ldm-theme packages
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| 06:11 | better than fiddling with alternatives
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| 06:12 | <vagrantc> yeah, debian-edu is already maintaining their own theme in a separate package
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| 06:12 | <ogra> hmm, and LDM_THEME should probably exist :)
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| 06:12 | <vagrantc> oooh.
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| 06:12 | selecting theme on a thin-client basis ... i like that idea
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| 06:12 | <ogra> so we could just install al of them, te last one installed being the default ... and then have an lts.conf option :)
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| 06:13 | * ogra takes a break/smoke in the sun | |
| 06:13 | <vagrantc> hmmm...
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| 06:14 | well, whatever. we'll come up with something good.
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| 06:14 | <vporo> how is the /lib/modules/<kernel version>/volatile tmpfs created for the thinclient? I would like to include a newer version of nvidia driver
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| 06:15 | <vporo> is there a howto for this?
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| 06:27 | <ogra> vporo, sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-386
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| 06:28 | that will make sure this dir exists and is mounted
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| 06:28 | but note that it eats at least 15M ram
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| 06:28 | (thats why we dont have it by default on ltsp clients)
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| 06:29 | <vporo> I did that
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| 06:29 | <ogra> well, then you have the dir, dont you ?
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| 06:30 | mounted on running clients i mean ...
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| 06:30 | <vporo> on the server, yes
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| 06:30 | but some files can't be seen on thin client
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| 06:30 | <ogra> they are two totally different OSes
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| 06:30 | <vporo> yes
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| 06:30 | I know
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| 06:31 | <ogra> did you install linux-restricted-modules-386 in the chroot ?
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| 06:31 | <vporo> yes
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| 06:31 | <ogra> so the tmpfs should exist on booted clients
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| 06:31 | <vporo> /lib/modules/<kernel version>/volatile is mounted as tmpfs
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| 06:31 | <ogra> right
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| 06:31 | <vporo> and it does not have all the files
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| 06:32 | for some reason
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| 06:32 | <ogra> which files ?
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| 06:32 | <vporo> nvidia.ko for example
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| 06:32 | <ogra> it has all restricted drivers here
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| 06:33 | <vporo> since the modules are copied there from the nfs mount instead of just used live from it, where do the scripts reside that actually perform this?
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| 06:34 | if I could locate the scripts then I should be able to ifnd out why it doesn't copy the module I need
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| 06:34 | <ogra> mtab.sh does that
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| 06:34 | grep volatile /etc/init.d/*
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| 06:34 | ;)
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| 06:34 | <vporo> ah ok, I'll have a look there then
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| 06:35 | <ogra> right, that might be your prob, mtab.sh isnt used in ltsp-clients ...
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| 06:35 | /etc/mtab is linked to /proc/mounts there
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| 06:35 | so the initscrpt isnt run either ...
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| 06:36 | gutsy's new "squashfs root on nbd" implementation will change that we can use more default stuff there
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| 06:38 | did you build the nvidia driver *inside* the chroot as well ? and also did you run update-initramfs in the chroot and sudo ltsp-update-kernels outside ?
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| 06:38 | to update the initramfs bootimage ...
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| 06:38 | <vporo> that I did not do
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| 06:39 | I only installed the package
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| 06:39 | <ogra> not sure that helps, since the driver wont be loaded from initramfs anyway
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| 06:39 | well, the package should have run update-initramfs at the end of its install
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| 06:40 | but you still should run ltsp-update-kernels so the new initramfs gets copied from /opt/ltsp/i386/boot to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 06:40 | <vporo> ok
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| 06:41 | I will try that
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| 06:56 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:56 | vagrantc, did you ever look at po/Makefile in the tree ?
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| 06:56 | * ogra didnt know we stole from pppoeconf :) | |
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| 07:16 | <vagrantc> ogra: heh.
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| 07:16 | <ogra> hmm, changing the makefile to use the client dir as source doesnt really work well ...
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| 07:17 | unless xgettext is supposed to run at 100% CPU for half an hour
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| 07:17 | <vagrantc> probably just need to be more specific so it doesn't look at unimportant files
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| 08:26 | <ogra> gah, indeed i need a new ltspfs as well now with the new socket
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| 08:36 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah, scotty updated the upstream branch
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| 08:37 | <ogra> ah well, i did a quick fix in the old package
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| 08:37 | i need to decide if i shouldnt rather sync from debian
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| 08:37 | does ltspfs have a real maintainer there ?
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| 08:37 | <vagrantc> we should probably increment the "upstream" version
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| 08:37 | ogra: real maintainer?
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| 08:38 | <ogra> well, a dedicated person
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| 08:38 | <vagrantc> ogra: it's the same as the LTSP maintainers
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| 08:38 | <ogra> ah
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| 08:38 | <vagrantc> so ... you know who
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| 08:38 | <ogra> yep
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| 08:39 | * vagrantc wonders about the patch from tcos to make an additional binary | |
| 08:39 | <vagrantc> binary package, that is
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| 08:39 | it doesn't hurt anything, but it's kind of ridiculous
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| 08:39 | might be hard to get through the NEW queue
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| 08:40 | <ogra> an additional binary package ?
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| 08:41 | * ogra tries to decipher that | |
| 08:41 | <vagrantc> yeah, mario proposed a patch that would add an additional binary package without the udev rules
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| 08:41 | <ogra> to what ?
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| 08:41 | oh, that one
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| 08:41 | <vagrantc> ltspfs
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| 08:41 | er, ltspfsd
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| 08:43 | <ogra> ltspfsd-tcos you mean ?
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| 08:43 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 08:43 | <ogra> that wasnt a serious suggestion
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| 08:43 | meh
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| 08:44 | <ogra> we're reading lts.conf from initramfs now ;)
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| 08:44 | so making add/remove_fstab_entry respect LOCALDEV is an option now
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| 08:44 | ah, no
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| 08:44 | not since you changed it ...
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| 08:45 | hmm
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| 08:45 | <vagrantc> what did i change ?
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| 08:45 | <ogra> to default to True if ltspfsd is installed
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| 08:45 | <vagrantc> ah, right.
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| 08:45 | <ogra> so indeed we dont have it in the lts.conf
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| 08:46 | neither do we have the info in initramfs
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| 08:51 | <ogra> hmm .... the new socket architecture enables us to run gnome-cupps-add if a printer is plugged in :)
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:51 | <ogra> s/is/gets/
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| 08:51 | !s
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| 08:51 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
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| 08:51 | <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-June/003503.html
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| 08:51 | sbalneav, for you ^^ :)
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| 08:52 | sbalneav, my tree has the package stuff, just merge it
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> Oooo
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| 08:52 | nice! Thanks.
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| 08:52 | Should show up in tonights updates?
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| 08:52 | <ogra> we need to talk about some smaller things like dir names and install locations still, but its in now :)
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> Yeah, sure.
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| 08:52 | <ogra> its alrady in the archive
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| 08:52 | i just built the first chroot with ti
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| 08:52 | *it
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> I haven't even gone through the code yet and cleaned it up.
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| 08:53 | <ogra> we have 3 months to do that :)
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> It's nice to see it working so well in the early stages, though.
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> yeah, still lots of time to get it "production stable"
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| 08:53 | <ogra> yeah
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| 08:53 | <ogra> well i only see one casher so far
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| 08:53 | <sbalneav> I'll merge in your tree now.
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| 08:54 | crasher?
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| 08:54 | <ogra> yup, if yu give a wrong password
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> oh, yeah.
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| 08:54 | I'm working on the greeter today, so we get get some proper feedback.
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| 08:55 | <ogra> taht and the session/lang selector needs to be fixed ... and we need to glib-ify ... then its fine for gutsy imho
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| 08:55 | and then lets design a real good greeter .... ;)
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| 09:00 | <klausade> anyone here today running rdesktop with ltsp5?
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| 09:00 | <ogra> grmbl ...
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| 09:00 | i hate to run out of battery in the second i plug in the power again
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| 09:02 | <vagrantc> klausade: gadi surely does
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| 09:03 | <klausade> vagrantc: but he is not here now ...
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> klausade: https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/ltsp-gadi-screenscripts
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| 09:05 | <klausade> vagrantc: yes, i'm trying to implement those.
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> ogra: in your tree, you've got things like autom4te.cache, config.log, etc.
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| 09:13 | should we have that stuff under bzr, or does it matter?
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| 09:13 | <ogra> sbalneav, its needed for building i kept them in separate commits though
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| 09:13 | if you dont want them, just leave out that revisions
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> Doesn't matter, I suppose.
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| 09:14 | <ogra> well, it clutters the tree
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| 09:14 | but its the best option ... doint it at build time is way more ugly
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| 09:14 | *doing
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| 09:15 | sbalneav, the greeter needs to move out of /usr/bin ... should go into /usr/lib/ldm/greeters/ ....
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| 09:16 | <ogra> then we should drop the versioning in the dirnames ...
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| 09:16 | <ogra> it gets quite ugly in packagng to have the version in there
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 09:16 | <ogra> we also neeed to put pixmaps and gtkrc in a theme dir
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| 09:17 | /usr/share/ldm/themes/default should be proper ...
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| 09:17 | i'll make default a link to Ubuntu during packaging so we can add different themes again
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| 09:18 | * vagrantc things the alternatives system wasn't so bad | |
| 09:18 | * vagrantc thinks | |
| 09:18 | <sbalneav> hmm
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| 09:18 | <vagrantc> we just needed to set different defaults at package install time
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| 09:18 | <ogra> later i'll split out ldm-greeter-gtk and ldm-greeter-gtk-themes
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> bzr status gives me:
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| 09:18 | pending merges:
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| 09:18 | Oliver Grawert 2007-06-20 new ldm packaging: clean up ldm-deps, add libgt...
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| 09:18 | Oliver Grawert 2007-06-20 run autogen.sh in client/ldmgtkgreet-0.1/
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| 09:18 | Oliver Grawert 2007-06-20 run autogen.sh in client/ldm2-0.1
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| 09:19 | I had a conflict with the merge.
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| 09:19 | <ogra> indeed, you need to cherrypick
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> Do I re-merge to get rid of the pending perge?
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| 09:20 | <ogra> bzr revert :)
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> ah, no sorry.
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| 09:20 | After I fixed the conflict, bzr commit fixed it.
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| 09:21 | <ogra> ah
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| 09:21 | <vagrantc> ogra: where do you run autogen.sh ?
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| 09:21 | <sbalneav> bzr move ldm2-0.1 ldm2?
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| 09:22 | <ogra> in the source subdirs
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| 09:22 | <vagrantc> ogra: as part of what ?
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| 09:22 | <ogra> sbalneav, move ldm2-0.1 ldm ?
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| 09:22 | vagrantc, a commandline i typed in ?
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| 09:22 | <vagrantc> ogra: not in the rules file or something, good. :)
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| 09:23 | <ogra> nah, i'd never do that :)
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| 09:23 | <sbalneav> can't move it to ldm, that exists :)
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| 09:23 | <ogra> a dir called ldm ?
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| 09:23 | <vagrantc> bzr rm ldm
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| 09:23 | <sbalneav> Are we ditching the python one?
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| 09:23 | <vagrantc> or just ldm2, i guess ...
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| 09:23 | <ogra> yeah
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| 09:23 | lets drop it
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| 09:24 | <vagrantc> can always get it back, if needed.
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| 09:24 | <ogra> its there, we can always merge it back from an old tree
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> How comfortable are you with my ldm?
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| 09:24 | <ogra> i'm fine with it
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> vagrantc?
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| 09:24 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: haven't touched it.
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| 09:24 | <ogra> i dnt think he tested yet
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> ok, tell you what.
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| 09:25 | in my tree, I'll delete ldm, but leave the dir as ldm2
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| 09:25 | <ogra> sbalneav, as long as it has at least the same functionallity as the old one all is fine
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| 09:25 | <vagrantc> i'd prefer it not go into the ltsp-drivers mainline branch until it's been tested a bit more
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> Phhht, yeah, goes without saying :)
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| 09:25 | This code is...
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| 09:26 | <ogra> young
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> What comes before alpha? :)
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| 09:26 | <ogra> nah
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| 09:26 | alpha means partially functional
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| 09:26 | <vagrantc> using ldm2 might save some conflicts .... just dropp the -0.1 parts, though
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 09:26 | <ogra> its beyond alpha
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> I'll fix it up in my tree
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| 09:26 | <ogra> and lest call the binary ldm
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| 09:26 | saves my one copy command during package building
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| 09:27 | (the manpage as well)
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 09:28 | <vagrantc> sounds good to me
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| 09:28 | * ogra wonders if germany moved to some tropical zone recently ... | |
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| 09:28 | <ogra> we have one thunderstorm a day and constantly over 24°C since weeks ...
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| 09:29 | and todays is a heavy one ...
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| 09:29 | * ogra sits in the dark | |
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> ogra: ok, have a look at my tree, I think I fixed things up. removed ldm and ldm.1, got rid of the -0.1 on the dir names, fixed up the packaging in debian, etc.
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| 09:45 | <ogra> oooooh, SEXY !
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| 09:45 | * ogra just noticed he got mailed the diff from LP :) | |
| 09:46 | <ogra> sbalneav, you did run autogen ?
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| 09:46 | * ogra now understands why LP refuses to show the diff :) | |
| 09:48 | <sbalneav> yes, I did
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| 09:48 | Was I not supposed to?
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| 09:52 | <ogra> well, i didnt think about it ...
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| 09:53 | the change is >4600 lines ...
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| 09:53 | <vagrantc> no need to maintain automatically generated files in bzr
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| 09:53 | <ogra> would be nice to run autoconf separately with its own commit
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| 09:53 | vagrantc, well bzr-release should probably rather do it
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| 09:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: exactly.
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| 09:54 | ogra: which is harder to do since it's not a single bzr branch now ...
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| 09:54 | but probably not crazy difficult, i guess.
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| 09:54 | <ogra> nah, its easy
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| 09:54 | * vagrantc awaits the code | |
| 09:54 | <ogra> just run autogen in the dirs before you build the source package
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| 09:55 | <vagrantc> by hand?
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| 09:55 | <ogra> debdiff gets ugly but hey, we have bzr :)
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| 09:55 | nah after bzr export
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> That's why I had bzr removed things like configure, autom4te.cache, etc in my tree.
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| 09:55 | <ogra> sbalneav, well, we need it for the package building
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| 09:55 | so it has to happen at aome point
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| 09:56 | usually if you do normal packaging you run autogen before packing up the orig.tar.gz of the source
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| 09:56 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it's the kind of thing that should be run whenever you release an upstream tarball.
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> right, but can't you, in the packaging phase, run autogen.sh first? Silly question maybe, My packaging knowlege is a little hazy
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| 09:56 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: like, when you build a package ?
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| 09:56 | <ogra> well if it goes into bzr-release all is fine for us
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| 09:56 | <sbalneav> right
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| 09:56 | when you build the package.
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| 09:57 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: can't have it automatically happen, or else you might end up with different make files on different build machines
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> ah, ok
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| 09:57 | <ogra> sbalneav, apart from that buildd admins hate you for such stuff :)
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| 09:58 | <sbalneav> Gimme time, I'll get it all figured out :)
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| 09:58 | <vagrantc> so it needs to happen before the source tarball is built.
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| 09:58 | <ogra> when d we run update-po ? it should go into the same loop
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| 09:59 | <vagrantc> probably so, yeah.
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| 09:59 | <whiprush> dang, new ldm already?
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| 09:59 | that was fast
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| 09:59 | <jammcq> whiprush: these guys aren't slackers, eh?
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| 09:59 | they perform magic in front of our eyes
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| 09:59 | <vagrantc> i'm a slacker. i still haven't finished my talk.
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| 10:00 | <whiprush> jammcq: it's that canadian work ethic.
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| 10:00 | <ogra> whiprush, pfft ... ldm ... we dropped nfs ... and nobody noticed ...
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| 10:00 | ...new ldm ...
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| 10:00 | * ogra shakes head | |
| 10:00 | <whiprush> heh
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| 10:00 | I haven't been following gutsy as closely, just the changelogs.
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| 10:00 | <ogra> the bling is all you users see
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| 10:00 | <whiprush> So I didn't notice you dropped NFS though.
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| 10:00 | <ogra> :)
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| 10:00 | <whiprush> jammcq: it's that german work ethic.
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| 10:01 | better? :)
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| 10:01 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:04 | sbalneav, so what do you think about a udev rule for usblp that checks throught teh tunnel if the printer is configured in the session, if not it runs gnome-cups-add through the tunnel :)
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| 10:04 | we can do so many beautiful things now :)
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| 10:05 | <jammcq> ogra: what happens if you re-generate the squashfs image while people are using it?
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| 10:05 | <ogra> hmm, we could even have a fifo to listen on on te server side and sned shutdown commands from the gnome logut dialog
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| 10:05 | jammcq, nothing until you kill the nbd-server
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| 10:05 | <vagrantc> jammcq: if you remove the file while it's being used, the inode remains until the file is closed
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| 10:06 | <ogra> running servers serve the old one from ram
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| 10:06 | newly started ones serve the new one
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| 10:06 | <jammcq> so.... let's say I want to make a change for one client in the middle of the day. how would I do that?
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| 10:06 | <ogra> there is some inconsistency here but bearable imho
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> jammcq: gotta reboot the client
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| 10:06 | <jammcq> yeah, that one client. but what about all the other clients?
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| 10:07 | <vagrantc> leave them running
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| 10:07 | <ogra> jammcq, which change would that be ?
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| 10:07 | <jammcq> let's say I want to change something in lts.conf ?
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| 10:07 | <ogra> i mean you will really only regenerate the image if you fiddle with the packages
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| 10:07 | <vagrantc> it's a bummer that changing lts.conf requires regenerating the squashfs
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| 10:07 | <ogra> jammcq, that lives in the tftp root nowadays ;)
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| 10:07 | <vagrantc> hrm?
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| 10:07 | <jammcq> and NOT in the image?
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| 10:08 | <ogra> right ;)
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| 10:08 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 10:08 | <ogra> initramfs pulls it from tftp if it finds it and copies it to /etc/lts.conf in the client fs
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| 10:08 | <jammcq> but... IF you change the image, we'd better make sure that the old image gets renamed, and the new image gets put in place. rather than the new image stomping over the top of the old image
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| 10:08 | <ogra> if you put one into the chroot and rebuild the squashfs it will be used as well
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| 10:09 | the tftp file overrides the one in the squashfs, by default we dont have one in there,if you create oen it will be used
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| 10:09 | jammcq, it gets built as img.tmp and in the end gets moved to .img
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| 10:10 | <sbalneav> ogra: Hmm, sounds interesting
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| 10:10 | <jammcq> ogra: but what happens to the original?
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| 10:10 | <ogra> i'm pondering to write a little monitor that checks for nbd-servers and waits until the last one exitst
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| 10:10 | jammcq, it gets overwritten
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| 10:10 | <jammcq> overwritten? or the old one gets removed and the new one gets created?
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| 10:10 | <ogra> by moving the new one over it
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| 10:11 | <jammcq> i'm thinking mv file1 file2
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| 10:11 | <ogra> yes
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| 10:11 | thats what happens
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| 10:11 | <jammcq> if file2 already exists, it gets 'unlinked' first
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| 10:11 | so a new inode number gets allocated
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| 10:11 | which we'd want
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| 10:11 | if you did cp file1 file2
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| 10:11 | that could be real trouble
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| 10:11 | <ogra> right, thats why i dont do it ;)
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| 10:12 | <jammcq> cool
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| 10:13 | * jammcq wonders how you guys got to be so smart | |
| 10:13 | <ogra> the only prob left with the nbd stuff is keeping the NBDPORT parameter in the pxe config if you run ltsp-update-kernels
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| 10:13 | i havent foud the best way to keep that value yet
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| 10:14 | and i'm not happy with the keepalive stuff, i think i'll add a pinger to nbdrootd
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| 10:15 | the default timeout value is 2h ... thats way to long ... if you change that value you break other protocols which i dont want ...
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| 10:19 | <vagrantc> but it does time out after 2 hours ?
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| 10:19 | <ogra> yes
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| 10:19 | <vagrantc> well, that's better than never
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| 10:19 | <ogra> but i dont want to have nbd-server porcesses hanging around for 2h
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| 10:19 | <vagrantc> ogra: how do you activate it?
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| 10:19 | because i've had reports of un-used processes running for days
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| 10:20 | <ogra> if [ -z "$(grep nbdrootd /etc/hosts.allow)" ];then
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| 10:20 | echo 'nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive' >>/etc/hosts.allow
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| 10:20 | fi
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| 10:20 | <vagrantc> server-side ?
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| 10:20 | <ogra> yes
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| 10:20 | its a tcpd option, indeed server side
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| 10:21 | <ogra> but i'd love to get rid of that :)
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| 10:21 | a pinger is more elegant and i can set the timeout myself
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| 10:22 | <vagrantc> ogra: yes, well, sounds like meeting the nbd develper has at least gotten that on wouter's todo list
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| 10:22 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:22 | <vagrantc> ogra: debian-edu's hoping to release this month, so can't wait for a pinger ...
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| 10:22 | <ogra> indeed
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| 10:22 | they should go with nfs
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| 10:23 | <vagrantc> yes, but they could use it for nbd swap
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| 10:23 | <ogra> ah, for swap you mean ...
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| 10:23 | <vagrantc> the timeout
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| 10:23 | yeah
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| 10:23 | <ogra> well the above should work
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| 10:23 | <vagrantc> s,nbdrootd,nbdswapd, ?
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| 10:23 | <ogra> just change nbdrootd to nbdswapd
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| 10:23 | nbd-server should work as well, we should probably use that
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| 10:24 | as the generic name both use
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| 10:25 | * ogra ponders if we should tweak vm.swappiness | |
| 10:26 | <sbalneav> ogra: grep nbdrootd /etc/hosts.allow > /dev/null || echo 'nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive' >>/etc/hosts.allow
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| 10:26 | one liner :)
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| 10:27 | <ogra> sbalneav, thanks ! :)
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| 10:28 | did anyone of you play with vm.swappiness before ?
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| 10:29 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 10:29 | If anyone said that to me in a bar, I'd punch 'em :)
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| 10:29 | no.
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| 10:29 | <ogra> lol
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| 10:30 | its defaulting to 60
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> I've never played with my swappiness :)
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| 10:30 | <ogra> apparently lower values cause the kernel to less consider about swapping
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| 10:30 | <jammcq> he said 'swappiness', not 'floppyness'
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| 10:30 | <ogra> i dont now if it affects anything if you dont have swap at all
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> Isn't there some overcommit thing it's good to turn off/on?
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| 10:31 | <ogra> but apparently lowering the value alone shall make the kernel 'think' less
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> Can't remember which
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| 10:32 | <ogra> sbalneav, what about an aplay command like gdm has for the greeter ?
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> Sure.
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| 10:32 | <ogra> that way we know the sound HW is working ... thats great for debugging as well
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> I think we should change the backround image to a group shot of LTSP devels, and the startup sould should be Ollie and Jammcq singing a duet of "Love me tender" :)
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| 10:34 | <ogra> oki
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| 10:34 | * ogra starts his gimp | |
| 10:34 | <sbalneav> THAT would get the bloggers going :)
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| 10:35 | <jammcq> hey, i'm all for it
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| 10:35 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:35 | <jammcq> get audio recording working on a thin client, and I'm there, dude
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| 10:35 | <ogra> i'm against the singing
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| 10:35 | but i can add the wallpaer for sure :)
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| 10:35 | *wallapaper
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| 10:35 | do you think warren would be upset ?
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> Is there a way to get the wallpaper loading from the rc file?
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| 10:36 | <ogra> or anyone else on the last group pic ?
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> we're hardcoded to bg.png
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| 10:36 | <ogra> no
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| 10:36 | lets rather have a .theme file or so where we define the values
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| 10:37 | <ogra> the gtkrc should really only define the gtk theme stuff ... colors button themes icons etc
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| 10:37 | and it should go into the them dir as well ... its a per theme file
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| 10:37 | <sbalneav> Keeping in mind I know diddly bupkiss about GTK programming, is there a set of GTK+ calls that does that?
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| 10:38 | theming I mean
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| 10:38 | <ogra> reading a gtkrc ?
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| 10:38 | <sbalneav> no, a .theme file
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| 10:38 | <ogra> no
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| 10:38 | <sbalneav> or is that something we implement "the hard way" :)
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| 10:38 | <ogra> thats something we have to parse
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| 10:38 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 10:38 | <ogra> well its trivial ... just key value pairs
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| 10:38 | and fill variables
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> Thought there was a "gtk_use_a_really_long_function_name_to_load_a_theme_file()" function :)
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| 10:39 | <ogra> i'D be even fine with hardcoded filenames
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| 10:39 | * vagrantc thwacks ogra | |
| 10:39 | <ogra> we will switch themes through setting a link to the right dir
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| 10:39 | thats how it worked before and nobody complained
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| 10:39 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 10:39 | ok
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| 10:40 | <ogra> i dont think it hurts to dictate a naming scheme for that
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> no, no.
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| 10:40 | that's fine
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| 10:40 | <ogra> your logo should be called logo.png, the wallpaper is bg.png
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| 10:40 | etc etc
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| 10:41 | i think even gdm does it that way
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| 10:42 | <vagrantc> would be nice if the theme only specified how it differed from the defaults ... i.e. shared reboot.png and such
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| 10:43 | <ogra> sbalneav, just install all theme stuff to /usr/share/ldm/themes/default ... during packagig i'll mv default Ubuntu && ln -s Ubuntu default
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| 10:43 | and leave the hardcoded names ...
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| 10:43 | other themes can then install in that dir and just change the link
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| 10:44 | (that dir being /usr/share/ldm/themes)
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| 10:44 | <sbalneav> k
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| 10:45 | <ogra> vagrantc, LDM_THEME could just be a call to update-alternatives :)
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| 10:45 | from ltsp-client-setup
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| 10:45 | <sbalneav> ah, gtk_vbox_new(..., 5) doesn't mean that there's 5 elements in the vbox, it means there's 5 pixels spacing AROUND the elements in the vbox.
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| 10:45 | That makes more sense
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| 10:45 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:51 | <john_s> hi all
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| 10:54 | <cliebow_> sbalneav:you have a gtk book??
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> cliebow_ yeah, I have a gtk+ book
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| 11:09 | http://www.amazon.com/Gtk%2B-Programming-C-Syd-Logan/dp/0130142646/ref=sr_1_1/104-9370698-7299963?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182355647&sr=8-1
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| 11:09 | this one.
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| 11:20 | <ogra> "The ultimate guide to building graphical Linux(r)/UNIX(r) applications with Gtk+ 1.2!"
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| 11:20 | sbalneav, you should upgrade :)
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| 11:20 | 1.2 is last century
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| 11:20 | or was it two centuries ago ?
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| 11:21 | <sbalneav> last century.
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| 11:21 | But it's better than nothing :)
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| 11:21 | <ogra> many things are totally different in 2.x
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| 11:21 | lists and trees etc ...
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| 11:25 | <cliebow_> shrubs
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| 11:27 | * vagrantc is still composing the talk | |
| 11:27 | <vagrantc> time to eat, i think.
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| 12:05 | <mhterres> hello people
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| 12:06 | hey jammcq
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| 12:06 | hi sbalneav
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| 12:11 | <john_s> hi
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: did i ever show you: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=sbalneav@ltsp.org
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| 12:27 | <cliebow_> vagrantc, no looking...
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| 12:27 | <vagrantc> cliebow_: hrm?
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| 12:27 | <ogra> whee
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| 12:27 | <cliebow_> what should i be loking at?
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| 12:28 | whee!!
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> cliebow_: but you're not sbalneav :P
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| 12:30 | <cliebow_> must be the heat..
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| 12:30 | i thought for some reason that was directed at me..
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| 12:32 | <cottima> cliebow_ I hope I am not speaking out of line. Just a lazy man's opinion
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| 12:32 | <cliebow_> perhaps i just wanted it to be directed at me..
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| 12:32 | cottima: not out of line at all..
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| 12:32 | <john_s> This sure is a friendly list
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| 12:33 | <cliebow_> john_s:you digest that script i sent ok?
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| 12:33 | <john_s> Ha! It's pretty deep. I gave it a first reading yesterday. Iam going to give it another today
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| 12:34 | <cliebow_> when you are ready i ll ship the useradd pieces
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| 12:34 | <john_s> I appreciate it. I am not a coder but it is well documented so I can follow along,
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| 12:34 | Thanks.
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| 12:34 | <cliebow_> not sure "well documented" is quite right..there is still a little flukiness with the sambasid i never resolved
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| 12:43 | <john_s> cliebow: I think one of the problems for me is finding someone a good howto from someone else who as gone before. I think I must be trying to do something a little bit unusual or stupid
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| 12:44 | <cliebow_> yeah maybe..most people just set up a domain and join everything to it
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| 12:45 | <john_s> yeah. I think that's pretty gutsy since it'd be pretty hard to back out of it if you messed up
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| 12:45 | <cliebow_> matching uid/gid with a windows domain could be the pits..
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| 12:45 | <john_s> Well it seems like winbind takes care of that part
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| 12:46 | but its getting that plus the all the rest in something that scales, AND which is not a complete migration, which seems not to be well documented
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| 12:47 | I guess if I figure it out, I'll document it :-)
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| 12:47 | <cliebow_> i sandboxed for quite a while before i put mine in production..and then realized i did not have a good handle on groups..there were some dicy moments there indeed
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| 12:48 | <john_s> I bet. I wish I could go to the conference, since I think it would really set me straight on a lot of things.
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| 12:49 | I talked with a fellow who did several schools for the Atlanta SD
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| 12:49 | <rjune__> cliebow_: !
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| 12:50 | <john_s> A very nice and helpful fella, and it seemed like he had to resort to rsyncing the data rather than putting it in ldap.
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| 12:50 | so perhaps this is much harder than my tiny brain conceived.
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| 12:50 | <cliebow_> rjune_, Hey!!! how's it going!
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| 12:50 | <rjune__> I'm breathing
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| 12:50 | <john_s> anyway, i'm going to do some more reading. Thanks. Bye
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| 12:51 | <cliebow_> still in a school..or did you move up?
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| 12:54 | rjune__:where are you working now?
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| 12:54 | <rjune__> I'm building routers.
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| 12:54 | http://www.imagestream.com
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| 12:55 | <Blinny> Booyah
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| 12:55 | <cliebow_> cool!..im trying to get in as systems admin at the local college...
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| 12:55 | <rjune__> viele gluck1
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| 12:55 | !
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| 12:56 | <cliebow_> been six weeks now they havnt made a decision..im still in the running though
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| 12:56 | <rjune__> that would be very cool
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| 12:56 | would sysadmin be head of it at the college?
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| 12:57 | <cliebow_> there is an director of it..
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| 12:57 | <rjune__> ah well
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| 12:57 | <cliebow_> so not head honcho..
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| 12:59 | <rjune__> like you need that stress
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| 13:23 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: No! How come I'm in debian?
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| 13:23 | I'm not a dd
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: when i asked if you wanted to be listed on the ltspfs team a while back, you said yes. :P
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 13:28 | cool
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: you still would have to find someone to sponsor uploads, though
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> Well, I know ONE guy :)
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| 13:28 | * vagrantc has to get sponsors too | |
| 13:28 | <ogra> really ?
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| 13:29 | who would that be ?
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> Oh, maybe I don't know someone. :)
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| 13:29 | Thought vagrantc could :)
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| 13:29 | * ogra will go for DD with ltsp-manager | |
| 13:30 | <ogra> one i got that working in ubuntu i'll push it to debian and make my NM with it i think
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| 13:30 | *once
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> ogra: you're already on the ltsp/ltspfs team
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| 13:30 | <ogra> i know
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| 13:30 | but that doesnt make me a DD
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| 13:31 | or am i able ot upload without DD status nowadays ?
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc> no, but if you start doing more work on debian ltsp, then that would count for NM
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| 13:31 | * ogra wonders if he's not doing enough for denian-ltsp yet | |
| 13:31 | <ogra> *debian
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> well, your work for debian-ltsp is kind of by way of your work on ubuntu mostly, no ?
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| 13:32 | <ogra> and ?
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> though you do comment on bugs fairly ofte
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| 13:32 | n
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| 13:32 | <ogra> you still merge my pulseaudio code and use it in the future in debain ...
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 13:33 | <ogra> wow, i said debian twice in the last three sentences and managed to fail spelling both times
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| 13:33 | tsk
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc> you're going to have to learn how to spell debian to make it through NM
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| 13:33 | <cliebow_> still on that classmate?
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| 13:34 | <ogra> cliebow, lol, no, there i typed better just had flipped keys
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> y and z, is it?
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| 13:35 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> french keyboards are *evil*
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| 13:35 | <ogra> but the p is also on a wrird place
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| 13:35 | *weird
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| 13:35 | yeah, french keyboards are a cipher mechanism in themselves
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| 13:36 | <cliebow_> do that through update-manager?
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| 13:36 | <ogra> i'D try to, yes
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| 13:36 | <cliebow_> jeez:love to have ppc version 8~)
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| 13:44 | * vagrantc eyes up experimental | |
| 13:44 | <cliebow_> i am way impressed,even more so than usual with what you guys have put together..seemingly in the last few days.,..
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> ogra: what was that one ubuntu-specific dependency for the new ldm we would have to change ?
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| 13:44 | <ogra> the ubuntulooks theme engine
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc> gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks
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| 13:45 | <ogra> i *think* its in sid, but i'm not sure
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 13:45 | <ogra> take clearlooks if you are uncertain
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| 13:45 | and change it in te gtkrc file as well
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| 13:45 | *the
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> it's in sid
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| 13:45 | <ogra> ah, good
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc> 0.9.12-1
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| 13:45 | <ogra> any version should do
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| 13:46 | the theme is not using anything special
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| 13:46 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 13:47 | <ogra> <-- break ... now really until the edubuntu meeting ....
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| 13:48 | <cottima> would someone paste bin kernel-parameters.txt?
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| 13:49 | sorry wrong channel!
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| 13:54 | <cliebow_> here goes..to gutsy
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| 13:57 | <jammcq> Qiot
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| 13:57 | heh
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| 14:13 | <mopey> Does anyone know how to get usb thumbsticks working on the thin clients?
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> mopey: which distro ?
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| 14:13 | <mopey> I have a feisty server with a vanilla 'apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone' setup
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 14:14 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 14:15 | <mopey> Right. So it's installed. But the clients don't recognize sub thumb sticks.
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| 14:15 | *usb
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> yeah, i was looking for more docs from that page ...
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| 14:15 | mopey: is your user in the fuse group?
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| 14:16 | <mopey> Good question. Let me check.
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| 14:18 | I don't even have a fuse group on the server. But I have one on the client I think and the user isn't in the group.
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> is ltspfs installed on the server ?
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| 14:20 | <mopey> no, but I am installing it now.
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> that'll help a lot :)
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| 14:23 | add the user to the fuse group, logout and log back in ...
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| 14:24 | <lns> hey everyone
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| 14:25 | <mopey> cool. I'll give it a try. Thanks vagrantc, you just saved me a ton of time.
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| 14:26 | <lns> I'm using a really neat thin client from a vendor of mine, but i'm having issues booting via PXE on 2 seperate, known working LTSP servers. I think I've nailed it down to the fact that the PXE bootrom's GUID is set to all zeros (0000-000- etc) - can anyone verify that this is an issue? The PXE rom gets a valid DHCP address, but never gets to bootstrap via TFTP (gets an "TFTP: Open timeout" msg)
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| 14:27 | I have verified 2 other, seperate clients boot successfully.
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, the new LDM builds fine on sid
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| 14:45 | no idea if it works
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| 14:45 | we lost our test machines when they had debian day :(
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> mopey: any luck?
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| 14:51 | <mopey> sort of.
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| 14:51 | It mounts the local cd, but still not the usb.
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> hmmmm.
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| 14:52 | usb stick works on a normal machine ?
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| 14:52 | <mopey> yes.
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| 14:53 | and the common usb stuff is installed on the clients. ie usbutils
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> anything in /media/USERNAME ?
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| 14:53 | <mopey> Yes, the cdrom, but no usb.
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> ok ...
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| 14:55 | <mopey> I have also tried on more than one client, and more than one usb port, so I think the hardware is fine.
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> usually USB sticks work fine ... it's the other things we tend to see problems with ...
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| 14:55 | but if the CDROM is working ... that's odd.
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| 14:56 | shows that ltspfs is working on some level...
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| 14:56 | mopey: you've tried with a freshly booted terminal ?
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| 14:56 | <mopey> yes. I didn't reboot the server though.
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> can't imagine rebooting the server would change it
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| 14:57 | <mopey> Hey, it works with Windows ;)
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| 14:57 | I mean needlessly rebooting.
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 14:58 | hmm... i'm not at my best at the moment, or i'd surely have some other ideas what to look at ...
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| 14:58 | spent all day writing an LTSP talk
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| 14:58 | <jammcq> vagrantc: did you get the presentation I emailed you?
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> jammcq: yes. very helpful
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| 14:59 | <jammcq> cool
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> jammcq: though this talk has a little different character, i think ...
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| 14:59 | <jammcq> after sending it, I realized I should have just put it up on the website, and sent you the link
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 14:59 | <jammcq> yes, i'm sure it's a very different audience
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| 14:59 | but there may be something useful you can harvest. at least the group picture :)
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> jammcq: so ... just to make sure i got it ... both ltsp 1 & 2 grabbed binaries off the host system ? sort of like what tcos does ?
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| 15:00 | jammcq: and ltsp 3 built the chroot using rpm packages ?
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| 15:00 | <jammcq> umm, 1 and 2 stole binaries from the host you were installing on
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> right
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| 15:01 | <jammcq> with ltsp-3, I stole the binaries from MY redhat 7.x system and tarballed them for distribution
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| 15:01 | ltsp-4 is the first one where we actually compiled stuff
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> yeah, i get LTSP 4 ... i'm still a little hazy on the others, though.
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| 15:02 | ok... got it
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| 15:02 | i think
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| 15:02 | it's not a major part of the talk, anyways.
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| 15:03 | just wanted to outline where we'd been and why we're going where we're going
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| 15:06 | jammcq: i'm using gvim as a presentation program :)
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| 15:07 | <sbalneav> Cripes, and here I've been using OpenOffice.org for that.
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| 15:07 | :)
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> it was too complicated
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| 15:07 | to use openoffice
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| 15:08 | <jammcq> too complex?
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> yeah, i couldn't figure out how to add text in under 5 minutes
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| 15:08 | so i gave up
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| 15:08 | gvim looks quite nice, really.
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| 15:09 | <jammcq> how is gvim gonna display the group photo? as ascii art ?
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 15:09 | jammcq: you got a copy of that group photo somewhere else ? or is there an easy way to extract it?
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| 15:09 | i'll just pop up the group photo with another program
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| 15:09 | <jammcq> umm, I have it here
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| 15:09 | <ogra> vagrantc, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/detroit_hackfest_pics/
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| 15:10 | <jammcq> I'll put it on ltsp.org
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| 15:10 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 15:10 | <jammcq> yeah, get it from Ogra
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| 15:10 | that's where I got it :)
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| 15:10 | besides, you are closer to him than me right now
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> i'm so hunched over
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| 15:11 | <whiprush> I love how scottie has a beer in the first pic
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| 15:11 | and no one else does
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| 15:11 | <ogra> heh
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| 15:11 | <jammcq> yeah, that's the one
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| 15:12 | typical canadian
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| 15:19 | * vagrantc chose one of the later pictures with more people | |
| 15:20 | <ogra> the last three are pretty blurry
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> well, i can't see very well anyways
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| 15:21 | <ogra> but the projector probably can :)
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| 16:29 | <sbalneav> On later, cya
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| 16:46 | <john_s> hi all
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| 16:47 | my question now is if you had to do an ltsp install and weren't looking to mess with it again for a couple of years would you base it on lts 6.06 or fiesty or some other?
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| 16:48 | <john_s> i.e would you go with ltsp 4.2 or with the integrated feisty approach?
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| 16:53 | ok and on other interesting news it seem like the net idmap command has a tool for migragting a winbindd_idmap.tdb to an ldap db or so it is alleged
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| 17:24 | <cliebow> john_s:i am certainly going to sandbox gutsy and the newest improve first chance..
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| 17:24 | in ltsp5 ubuntu
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| 17:27 | <whiprush> I have a few gutsy servers as well I am messing with.
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| 17:27 | But my production stuff will remain 6.06 for now.
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> that's antique in the world of LTSP
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| 17:27 | <whiprush> I know
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| 17:27 | I tell you, sometimes I just want to dist-upgrade that thing in place.
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| 17:28 | vagrantc: I'll make up for it the next LTS.
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| 17:29 | <john_s> vagrantc: what do you mean
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| 17:29 | ?
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> john_s: the LTSP in ubuntu's 6.06 release is missing a lot of functionality
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| 17:29 | <whiprush> john_s: ltsp5 has developed so much this past year that 6.06 is pretty old.
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| 17:30 | <john_s> yes I understand. Thanks. What do you mean you will make up for that?
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| 17:30 | <whiprush> it doesn't do like, usb keys on the client and all that gee-whiz stuff
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| 17:30 | <john_s> is my question, i guess?
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| 17:30 | <whiprush> oh
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| 17:30 | that means I'll upgrade whenever the next ubuntu LTS release is
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| 17:30 | <john_s> ok. Well like 2011 right?
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| 17:30 | <whiprush> I was hoping for next spring actually.
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| 17:31 | the support for 6.06 goes out that far, but they'll release other ones in the meantime
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| 17:31 | <john_s> oh, hmm
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| 17:31 | ok. i see.
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| 17:32 | I sort of got 4.2 working the way I wanted it to usb/sound etc but I thought I ought to go where LTSP is going
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| 17:32 | but perhaps I am pushing this too fast
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| 17:32 | <john_s> I want to have whatever i do in place by the end of august
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| 17:32 | <whiprush> working always beats the unknown. :)
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| 17:32 | <john_s> good point
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| 17:33 | and I'll have a lot of folks judging linux by that choice
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| 17:33 | :-)
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| 17:33 | <whiprush> though if 18 months of support is fine with you then there's nothing wrong with feisty
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| 17:34 | <john_s> also a good point. That's my fallback position. But my main concern right now is getting data into LDAP
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| 17:34 | <john_s> or dumping it as a bad idea and relying on winbind/AD as I have been.
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| 17:34 | <whiprush> and to be honest any problems I have aren't usually ltsp-related. They're more like "Help, I can't find Word." and that kind of stuff
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| 17:35 | <john_s> I have had significant problems with printing
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| 17:35 | it sucks
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| 17:35 | <whiprush> I was using libnss-ldap but I'm moving over to winbind myself
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| 17:35 | <john_s> interesting
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| 17:35 | why the move?
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| 17:35 | <whiprush> windbind caches logins
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| 17:35 | <john_s> so it would be faster and less network intensive?
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| 17:36 | <john_s> but wouldn't that info sit in ldap?
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| 17:36 | <whiprush> well, I manage all my stuff centrally so was looking for one solution for everything.
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| 17:36 | including laptops
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| 17:36 | and jeremy allison from samba convinced me that it's the new hotness for connecting to AD.
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| 17:37 | <john_s> winbind?
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| 17:37 | <whiprush> yeah
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| 17:37 | <john_s> what do you do when you have several linux servers using winbind for auth though?
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| 17:38 | then those uid/sid mappings are local to the server, right?
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| 17:38 | <whiprush> they all just auth off the domain controller
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| 17:38 | <john_s> so people can share
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| 17:38 | <whiprush> I don't know, samba kind of does everything for you.
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| 17:38 | <john_s> yes but doesn't winbind cache it locally and generate a uid to match the sid?
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| 17:38 | ok
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| 17:38 | <whiprush> I just did kerberos then winbind.
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| 17:38 | <john_s> fair enough
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| 17:39 | <whiprush> followed the page-long howto and it all just works
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| 17:39 | <john_s> there are defiantly a lot of moving parts!
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| 17:39 | <whiprush> yeah
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| 17:39 | <john_s> I wish there was someone out my way doing this, cause I would chew their ear off over a coffee
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| 17:40 | <whiprush> once it's all on the AD and kerberized it's a dream though
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| 17:40 | <john_s> I have a lot of questions that would be great to bounce of some other person who had sort of been there and done that
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| 17:40 | <whiprush> all the thin clients print to the right printers
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| 17:40 | all the shares are all transparent to the users and everything
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| 17:41 | <john_s> Kewl. Well I guess I sort of have that situation now, but it doesn't scale for me
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| 17:41 | do you use windows unix services to handle the posix side of stuff?
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| 17:41 | <whiprush> yeah
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| 17:41 | it's all built into 2k3 now
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| 17:41 | it's just a checkbox on install.
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| 17:41 | <john_s> ah with sp2
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| 17:41 | <whiprush> yep
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| 17:42 | <john_s> and how did you assign the uid stuff, or does it sort of do it itself?
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| 17:42 | <whiprush> it sort of does it by itself
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| 17:42 | we set a range and that was it
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| 17:42 | <john_s> hm and then you just sorta pointed your smb.conf to use it as the backend?
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| 17:42 | <whiprush> I didn't need to do an smb.conf
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| 17:42 | for the ltsp server
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| 17:43 | just kerberos and then "net join ads blah blah"
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| 17:43 | <john_s> ahh, and the range is assigned on the windows side?
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| 17:43 | <whiprush> I /think/ so.
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| 17:43 | <john_s> dag.
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| 17:44 | It sounds so easy compared to what I have been trying to do
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| 17:44 | <whiprush> let me find the samba doc I was using
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| 17:44 | <john_s> I will have to think about that
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| 17:44 | yes please.
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| 17:44 | I'd appreciate it
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| 17:44 | <whiprush> http://www.onnoot.com/wiki/how_to_join_ubuntu_samba_to_a_windows_2003_active_directory_domain
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| 17:45 | oops, I was wrong about the smb.conf piece
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| 17:46 | <john_s> :-)
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| 17:46 | <whiprush> http://wiki.samba.org/index.php?title=Samba_%26_Active_Directory&redirect=no
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| 17:46 | this is the more canonical document
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| 17:46 | you need a newer samba to do this though, so don't even try it in dapper.
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| 17:47 | <john_s> thanks
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| 17:48 | The part at the end about SP2 in AD is a little sparse!
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| 17:48 | :-)
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| 17:48 | <whiprush> the only real thing I want to do is do NFS4 for home directories
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| 17:48 | <john_s> I wish they had detailed the setup there
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| 17:48 | well that's about what i want at the end of the day
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| 17:48 | <whiprush> as long as you install the unix stuff for it there's really no config on that side
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| 17:48 | <john_s> I just want a central authority for linux based services
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| 17:49 | <whiprush> you can even use the windows groups in /etc/sudoers
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| 17:49 | <whiprush> %Domain Admins ALL=(ALL) ALL
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| 17:49 | that freaks people out.
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| 17:49 | <john_s> Ok, I looked at it back when it was an add on and there were a lot of mapping to be done.
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| 17:49 | <whiprush> yeah
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| 17:49 | we used to do that
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| 17:49 | that was a real pain in the ass
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| 17:50 | <john_s> gee man. Well as soon as school is out for the year I'll patch up the DC and try this out
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| 17:50 | <whiprush> people might hate MS, but they did a real nice job with R2 and getting unix support in there.
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| 17:50 | <john_s> I sorta feel like a traitor
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| 17:50 | yeah
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| 17:50 | <whiprush> I can use the windows tools to change people's shell and everything. It's nuts.
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| 17:50 | <john_s> I just worry that they might break it in some way and then I wouldn't be able to figure out what to do
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| 17:51 | thanks whiprush I appreciate your help
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| 17:52 | one last question, do you provide any services like webdev or try to authenticate other ldap aware services of the 2k3sp2
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| 17:52 | ?
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| 17:54 | <whiprush> not currently no.
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| 17:54 | we connect a bunch of stuff to the ldap though
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| 17:54 | web apps and stuff
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| 17:55 | bbl
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| 17:55 | <john_s> bye
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| 18:16 | <mopey> So I've been trying to get usb working on the clients for the last couple hours. Mostly just playing with lts.conf
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| 18:16 | It still does the same thing, mounting cdrom and floppy but not usb.
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| 18:16 | Any ideas?
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> everybody always seem to have the opposite problem.
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| 18:17 | <mopey> hehe.
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> there's nothing in lts.conf that would change that ... it's gotta be something in udev
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| 18:19 | <mopey> The options I was playing with were mostly just loading the usb modules, HOTPLUG = y, LOCAL_STORAGE = y, etc.
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> neither of those are supported in LTSP5
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| 18:20 | and if cdroms are mounting, it's enabled.
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| 18:20 | <mopey> Yeah, just a shot in the dark.
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> (well, i think we finally included backwards compatibility support for LOCAL_STORAGE)
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| 18:26 | <lns> Hey can anyone tell me if the AMD Geode / CS5535 video chipset is supported in LTSP, and if so, what video driver? I'm getting a blank screen when booting.
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| 19:14 | <sbalneav> evening
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| 19:17 | <jammcq> !s
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| 19:17 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 19:18 | <sbalneav> hey jammcq
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| 19:31 | <cliebow> ho
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| 19:33 | <jammcq> lns: I think 'nsc' is the driver you need
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| 19:33 | cliebow: howdie
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| 19:33 | <lns> jammcq, thanks buddy - i actually found that and just tried it, but no dice =(
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| 19:37 | <jammcq> what resolution are you trying to do?
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| 19:40 | <cliebow> i tthink i use nsc on the cyrix geode
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| 19:43 | <lns> you know its strange, the screen blanks at about 1/5 through the graphical ubuntu progress bar
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| 19:43 | almost where you'd expect it to go to 80x24 mode to print console msgs
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| 19:43 | and i can't alt+ctrl+F1 to go to a console either
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| 19:44 | any ideas?
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| 19:44 | <jammcq> edit your pxelinux.cfg/default file, remove the 'usplash quiet'
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| 19:44 | then reboot the client
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| 19:44 | <lns> i've tried XSERVER = nsc, ati, atimisc, and (none) all to no avail
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| 19:44 | jammcq, ok
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| 19:45 | there's no 'usplash', is that ok?
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| 19:45 | just "DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash"
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| 19:45 | oh..guess splash is the same thing..? =p
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| 19:46 | damn i love talking with you guys...haha
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| 19:46 | this is actually fun..and im not even getting paid for it =p
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| 19:48 | <jammcq> that's funny, neither are we :)
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| 19:49 | <lns> well i figured ;)
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| 19:50 | ok, still no dice, but now it's just cycling through trying to start X
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| 19:50 | and i can at least see the console
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| 19:50 | i can try different XSERVER args while it's cycling through each time, right?
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| 19:50 | <jammcq> hmm, you are using ltsp-5, that's quite different
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| 19:51 | <lns> yeah
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| 19:57 | <cliebow> lns:it is futile but for the hell of it try vesa
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| 20:01 | <lns> ok
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| 20:04 | no dice...weird now, i get a totally locked thinclient with solid cursor in upper-left corner
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| 20:04 | <cliebow> comment out quiet splash so you can see whaat is happening
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| 20:05 | <lns> yeah its saying 'no screens found' in the X logs...
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| 20:05 | at least it was before this happened =p
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| 20:05 | it's ok to chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ; sudo passwd right?
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| 20:05 | i've done that in the past
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| 20:05 | <cliebow> prob wont help since the x piece is hiddne..you are beyond where that would help
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| 20:09 | <lns> still locking up..i'm gonna take a break...bbl
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| 20:09 | thx for the help =)
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| 21:03 | <lns> back...yeah this is real weird, now the client completely locks up w/the solid cursor in upper-left
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