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Channel log from 15 September 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:47 | <roasted> hey fellas!
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| 00:47 | To change LDM_SESSION to XFCE on Ubuntu, is it not LDM_SESSION=xubuntu-desktop?
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| 00:53 | !xfce
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| 00:53 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'xfce', but I do know about these similar topics: 'x2go'
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| 00:53 | <roasted> hm
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| 00:53 | !xfce4
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| 00:53 | <ltsp> Error: "xfce4" is not a valid command.
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| 00:53 | <roasted> eh, I tried
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| 02:26 | <roasted> :(
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| 02:50 | no matter what I find I'm having a hard time locating the exact command
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| 02:50 | LDM_SESSION=/usr/bin/xfce4-session, LDM_SESSION=xubuntu-desktop, LDM_SESSION=xfce4-desktop
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| 02:56 | <roasted> hi Faithful
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| 02:57 | <Faithful> Hi roasted
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| 02:57 | no Jim anymore?
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| 03:00 | <roasted> jim?
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| 03:00 | I'm not sure I know anybody's first name in here, so that draws a blank with me
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| 03:01 | <Faithful> jamcq
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| 03:02 | <roasted> hm that doesn't ring a bell
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| 03:02 | by chance do you know how to change the LDM_SESSION to something else?
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| 03:03 | I'm having a terrible time getting xfce to work as my default session
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| 04:30 | <Lns> roasted, have you tried LDM_SESSION=/usr/bin/startxfce4
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| 04:30 | that's what it is for debian
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| 04:33 | <roasted> Lns, yeah I tried that :(
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| 04:33 | and unfortunately my buddy took the test box home a matter of 5 minutes ago to do more work on it
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| 04:33 | I'm going to set up another test box here in a minute though
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| 04:33 | I want to keep working at it too
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| 04:33 | What burns me up is the fact that a debian LTSP article said that your suggestion works for ubuntu 12.04 too
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| 04:34 | I'm using 12.04. no dice.
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| 04:34 | in fact, unity doesn't even work... maybe that's a sign of another problem?
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| 04:34 | <Lns> afaik unity doesn't work very well with ltsp, though maybe something's changed.. I don't use ubuntu personally
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| 04:35 | you've double-checked your config file, permissions, etc?
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| 04:35 | <roasted> what config file, lts.conf?
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| 04:35 | it's a brand new box we set up. we literally installed 12.04, updated it, rebooted, installed ltsp, changed network configs, added lts.conf and added like 4 parameters and booted my laptop as a test.
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| 04:36 | each time it'll log in as if it's working, but then I just continue to stare at a blank destop
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| 04:36 | ultimately I get a "Crash report error" in the upper right
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| 04:36 | <roasted> | |
| 04:36 | no dice there either
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| 04:36 | <Lns> you actually installed xfce along the way, right? ;)
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| 04:37 | <roasted> well
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| 04:37 | now that you mention it
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| 04:37 | I installed xubuntu-desktop
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| 04:37 | maybe that's why?
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| 04:37 | <Lns> possibly
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| 04:37 | <roasted> is it possible to even install "xfce4" in ubuntu?
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| 04:37 | * Lns shrugs | |
| 04:37 | <roasted> actually
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| 04:37 | now that I think about it
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| 04:38 | <Lns> debian doesn't have *-desktop, just the raw packages
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| 04:38 | <roasted> on the server I saw XFCE + Xubuntu in the drop down session list
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| 04:38 | so I would think both are available
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| 08:05 | <alkisg> Hey, Ubuntu no longer needs the evolution-data-server process that was always left over from thin client sessions... at last a good diversion from gnome :D
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| 08:31 | <ogra_> alkisg, yeah, TB had massive probs with it and i think half of its deps arent maintained anymore
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| 08:43 | <alkisg> ogra_: why is it still in main and preinstalled?
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| 08:47 | <ogra_> alkisg, i think they are just sorting it in quantal
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| 08:48 | * alkisg removed it in precise without anything obvious breaking... | |
| 08:48 | <alkisg> But I couldn't find any related blueprints
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| 08:48 | <ogra_> well, you dont use ldap addessbooks or any we calendars then
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| 08:48 | *web
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| 08:49 | e-d-s is only for coordinating such data ...
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> I used them with evolution, but I don't see any calendars or other options now in 12.04...
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| 08:49 | So I'm using calendar.google.com + my android phone to manage those :P
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| 08:50 | <ogra_> same here ... but i use e-d-s for desktop notifications for calendar events
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> Also switched to gcontactssync TB addon instead of evolution
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| 08:50 | ogra_: ah, nice, which component does the notifications?
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| 08:50 | <ogra_> and its very convenient clicking on the clock applet and seeing all your appointments uin one view
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| 08:50 | <alkisg> Yeah I really liked that in 10.04
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| 08:50 | <ogra_> evolutio-alarm-notify i think
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| 08:50 | but that depends on e-d-s
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| 08:51 | * alkisg hopes the ubuntu folks migrate that to some non e-d-s dependend mechanism soon... | |
| 08:51 | <ogra_> e-d-s is really tiny in itself
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| 09:54 | <JR_Ewing> Hello people,
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| 09:54 | May I ask for a problem I have with LTSP?
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| 09:55 | <ogra_> beware, if you ask for a problem we might give you one !
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| 09:55 | :)
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| 09:57 | <JR_Ewing> Hehe, :-) for ask for help with problem I ment. I have server installed at Kubuntu 12.04 and have separate DHCP server running dnsmasq. Client boot with tftp correctly, but nbd not working, still dropping me to busybox. With default nbdroot=:ltsp_i386 I can´t even see any network traffic (except tftp) from the client.
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| 09:58 | I have tried nbdhost/nbdport or nbdroot=<ip>:<port>, I saw sam tcp packets, but client still dropping to busybox
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| 10:11 | <alkisg> JR_Ewing: is that a new chroot, or an old e.g. 10.04 one?
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| 10:14 | <JR_Ewing> no, just clean install
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 10:15 | <ltsp> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash .
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> (ignore that for a bit)
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| 10:15 | !forget quiet-splash
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| 10:15 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 10:15 | <JR_Ewing> I have left ltsp year ago (because of huge bandwith comsumption) and tried few other terminal solutions.. but Iam now trying it back (but still not working) :-)
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| 10:16 | hehe, I think I can have the same result by typing "dmesq" in busybox
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> !learn quiet-splash as to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 10:16 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> Yup OK ignore that
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| 10:16 | So, on the busybox shell:
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| 10:17 | nbd-client server-ip -N ltsp_i386
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| 10:17 | And on the server:
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| 10:17 | sudo netstat -nap | grep 10809
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| 10:17 | <JR_Ewing> block nbd0: attempted send on closed socket
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| 10:17 | end_request: I/O error, fev nbd0, sector 2
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| 10:18 | etc..
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> Also, on the client: ipconfig -n eth0
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| 10:18 | Check if the ROOTSERVER there is your ltsp server
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| 10:18 | It should *not* be the dnsmasq server
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| 10:19 | <JR_Ewing> I can now see in export that the ROOTSERVER is dhcp server.. .so.. I´ll go trying to resolv it
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> Sorry I forgot the device path in the command: nbd-client server-ip -N ltsp_i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 10:19 | OK
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| 11:19 | <cyberorg> alkisg, OT, added ubuntu live iso support https://github.com/cyberorg/live-fat-stick
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| 11:23 | <ogra_> cyberorg, whats that for ? you can just dd the iso to a stick nowadays
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| 11:23 | <cyberorg> ogra_, yes, but then you don't get iso image on the stick
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| 11:24 | or multiboot or access from windows etc
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| 11:24 | <ogra_> rightm what problem does it solve to have the iso on the stick ... thats whjat i mean
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| 11:24 | <cyberorg> http://lizards.opensuse.org/2012/09/13/live-fat-stick/
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| 11:25 | you can carry bootable stick with multiple iso images, openSUSE Edu Li-f-e for ltsp and ubuntu live on one stick, get nice boot menu to choose booting from
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| 11:25 | <ogra_> a
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| 11:25 | <cyberorg> you can plug the stick in windows PC to copy iso or burn
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| 11:25 | <ogra_> h
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| 11:26 | <cyberorg> or access hte stick while booted in live iso to store files that are accessible by other distros booting off the same stick or of course from windows
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| 11:26 | <ogra_> right
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| 11:27 | <cyberorg> i wonder why no one thought of it till now :)
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| 11:27 | <ogra_> because its a corner case ?
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| 11:27 | but yeah, i see why you are doing it
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| 11:27 | *doing
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| 11:27 | <cyberorg> not if you carry around multiple distros to demonstrate
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| 11:28 | <ogra_> right, which probably 1% of the linux users does
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| 11:28 | <cyberorg> openSUSE itself has thousands of variants
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| 11:28 | not just demo, helps to install from as well
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| 11:29 | <ogra_> sure, but thats does a normal iso or usb key too
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| 11:30 | <cyberorg> everyone who came to my office for Li-f-e needed a bootable usb stick and iso as well, now they get both in 1
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| 11:30 | <ogra_> you only really need such a system if you have to/want to handle multiple distros
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| 11:31 | which QA people do ...
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| 11:33 | for them i guess its an awesome system :)
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| 11:34 | <cyberorg> it was awesome for me as well :)
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| 11:36 | added ubuntu after one user came asking how to add suse to stick with grub2, he already had ubuntu working, adapting menu entry didn't take much work
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| 11:36 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> "unetbootin no longer works with openSUSE live isos" ?
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| 11:44 | cyberorg: afaik grub2 can load the kernel and initrd from within .iso files, is that what the script does? creates grub entries?
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| 11:44 | <cyberorg> alkisg, nopes, suse's initrd looks for mbrid as our images are hybrid, expects isos to be dd'd
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| 11:45 | alkisg, yes grub2 can load kernel and initrd from the iso but not syslinux
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> The script uses syslinux?
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| 11:45 | <cyberorg> yes
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| 11:45 | <alkisg> So what does it put in the stick root except for the .isos?
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| 11:45 | The syslinux dir, ok, but also kernel/initrd's?
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| 11:45 | <cyberorg> yes
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> Why not use grub2 then? Any downsides?
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| 11:46 | <cyberorg> sure, send patch :)
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| 11:46 | <ogra_> probably clashing of the different versions ?
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| 11:46 | (ubuntu uses grub2 too now)
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> ogra_: it would be on the stick
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| 11:47 | E.g. windows on HD, grub+ a bunch of .iso's on the stick
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| 11:47 | <ogra_> well, you chainload one grub from the other
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| 11:47 | <cyberorg> ogra_, opensuse does too, but for stick i started off with syslinux
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> Sure but we don't need to, the stick is supposed to be bootable
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| 11:47 | <ogra_> at least if you do it cleanly and want that the distro features of the respective grub are available
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> But why? The stick has its own MBR
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| 11:48 | What's the point in chainloading those 2 grubs?
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| 11:48 | <cyberorg> also the grub2 theme etc will be needed, syslinux can do with stuff already in the live iso
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| 11:48 | <ogra_> that the suse grub might be compiled with different options than the ubuntu grub
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| 11:48 | and that either system might make use of such features
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| 11:48 | <alkisg> And how would chainloading help there? /me doesn't get it...
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| 11:49 | <ogra_> so if your mbr contains the ubuntu grub, booting suse might have issues .... and the other way round
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> First of all, the user probably won't have linux installed on the system where he's using the stick
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| 11:49 | He'll just select "boot from stick" on BIOS
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| 11:49 | <ogra_> why would that matter ?
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| 11:49 | <alkisg> So, we only have 1 grub instance, on the stick... what's to chainload there?
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| 11:50 | <ogra_> you have one suse or one ubuntu grub on the stick
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> Inside the .iso's?
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| 11:50 | Those wouldn't ever load
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| 11:50 | <ogra_> if suse doesnt boot with the ubuntu grub or the other way round you need to chainload
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> The stick would only have 1 grub for all .iso's
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| 11:50 | <ogra_> like kexec but on a lower (bootloader) level
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| 11:50 | <cyberorg> alkisg, grub2 can load kernel and initrd from iso, so load those and boot up the respective iso, can be done
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| 11:51 | <ogra_> right
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> cyberorg: right, and just a small script to generate the grub configuration
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> And install grub in the mbr
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| 11:51 | <cyberorg> second grub does not come into play, ubuntu/suse either grub2 on the stick will do the job
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> (whatever grub is available in the disto where the script runs)
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| 11:52 | <cyberorg> alkisg, yes so just a script to install grub stuff and create menu entry for iso
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> Also, reading the syslinux theme items wouldn't help much, since they'd be of different distros
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| 11:52 | So, theme == the grub installer script theme
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| 11:53 | No need to chainload to syslinux or anything...
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| 11:54 | <cyberorg> yeah no chainloading, this is what the user who i got idea about adding ubuntu support had in his grub menu for http://wklej.org/id/829240/
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| 11:54 | suse entry is wrong
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| 11:54 | <alkisg> Right, that would be the best
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| 11:55 | And it could probably be written as a special grub module, if someone really really has the mood for it, so that one can drop .isos and do *nothing* else
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| 11:55 | (all iso's autodetected, the ones supported at least... casper etc)
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| 11:55 | grub has the code to read inside .iso's anyway, so it wouldn't be very hard
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| 11:56 | <cyberorg> :)
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| 11:56 | <alkisg> cyberorg: thanks for reminding me that one, I wanted to do it since I read about iso support in grub, but have forgotten about it
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| 11:57 | (manually, I mean, not develop a script...)
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| 11:57 | <cyberorg> may be you can do a nice GUI :)
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| 11:58 | <alkisg> Nah if I ever want to invest time on that, I'd do it as a grub module, so that all iso's are autodetected, no external scripts that rely on iso reading libraries, OSes installed etc
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| 11:59 | cyberorg: do you have the grub entry for opensuse handy?
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| 11:59 | (from .iso)
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| 12:00 | Hmm I also wonder what state in is grub/pxe now... would this be doable from the ltsp server as well?
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| 12:00 | Dump the .iso's in tftp, export with nfs, and have a script create the entries without the need to extract the kernels/initrds?
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| 12:02 | Heh, btw, grub can also read from squashfs, so if that's doable, it could do it for ltsp clients too
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| 12:02 | Directly export nbd without update-kernels :D
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| 12:06 | <cyberorg> alkisg, it will look something like this http://paste.opensuse.org/33056214 suse's initrd is strict about which iso it boots
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| 12:30 | <alkisg> Thank you cyberorg :)
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| 12:31 | <cyberorg> alkisg, know if ubuntu work 2nd method here? http://debaira.blogspot.in/2009/03/boot-iso-image-from-hard-disk.html
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| 12:31 | says there it does
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| 12:33 | <alkisg> cyberorg: I think I've done that once, with the limitation that I wasn't able to repartition the target drive
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| 12:33 | <cyberorg> i can then use fromhd=/dev/by-uuid/.... fromiso=/ubuntu.iso for both debian and ubuntu, can't see why repartition of target drive comes into picture if it is from usb stick
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> The second method there says to put the .iso in the HD
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| 12:34 | Sure, if it's from a stick, it wouldn't matter
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 13:53 | <ltsp> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 14:24 | <roasted> alkisg, hey there bro. I've been trying to find the LTS parameter for xfce/xubuntu-desktop as the default session. I've tried many, and nothing worked. That said, Ubuntu and Ubuntu-2d didn't work either. A sign of a different problem, perhaps?
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> !gnome-session
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| 14:26 | <ltsp> Error: "gnome-session" is not a valid command.
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> !gnome-classic
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| 14:26 | <ltsp> gnome-classic: To select gnome-classic as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this line in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-classic"
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| 14:26 | <alkisg> ls -l /usr/share/xsessions
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| 14:27 | ^ those should help
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| 14:29 | <ogra_> you could also just set the default alternative for x-session-manager to xubuntu
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| 14:29 | (thats how we handled it before there were .desktop files in /usr/share/xsessions)
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| 14:48 | <roasted> alkisg, that works for XFCE??
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| 14:48 | I figured gnome-classic was... gnome-classic
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| 14:48 | <alkisg> roasted: that was an example
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| 14:48 | You were supposed to run the ls command below
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| 14:48 | And then cat the xfce session file to see its own command
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| 14:48 | And put that in lts.conf
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| 14:49 | <roasted> ah, gotcha.
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| 14:52 | alkisg, how's life been lately?
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| 14:52 | * ogra_ wodners if thats an appropriate question to ask to a greek :) | |
| 14:53 | <roasted> lol
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| 14:53 | Just trying to be personable. :P
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 15:30 | We've learned to live without money, and we're about to learn to live without food as well... as long as we have internet connections :P
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| 15:31 | <ogra_> dont forget about health care
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| 15:40 | <roasted> who needs health care. pfft :P
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| 15:40 | The only surgery I ever had was self diagnosed by myself via Google before I ever went to see a doctor to confirm the same thing I already knew.
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| 15:40 | <ogra_> what ?!?
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| 15:40 | <roasted> I know, right?
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| 15:40 | I was in 9th grade in high school too.
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| 15:40 | <ogra_> you didnt look for a howto in google to do self surgery ?
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| 15:41 | <roasted> Which would have put me around... 14?
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| 15:41 | * ogra_ shakes head | |
| 15:41 | <roasted> At the time I was recovering from a nasty cut I did on my finger with a steak knife.
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| 15:41 | <ogra_> googling symptoms but not having the balls to do the fix yourself ... tsk
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| 15:41 | <roasted> Self surgery didn't seem to be a logical option. :P
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| 17:19 | <iqbal> th
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| 17:19 | anks
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| 17:22 | <DavidDimbleby> Just a quick question with ltsp-build-clients --apt-keys anyone know what argument --apt-keys tries to get?
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| 17:23 | <ogra_> ltsp-build-client --extra-help
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| 17:23 | 8if that wasnt removed since i saw the code last)
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| 17:25 | <DavidDimbleby> --extra-help not very illuminating I just pasted /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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| 17:25 | think it might be working :)
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| 17:25 | bodge and botch as always
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| 17:25 | <ogra_> heh
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| 17:25 | good luck then :)
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| 17:25 | <DavidDimbleby> thanks :)
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