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Channel log from 2 February 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <Ryan52> oh, its not restarting X. It is just a black screen...hmmmm....
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| 00:02 | but just doing xterm as the display manager works....whatever I don't really care why its not working
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| 00:02 | errr, window manager
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| 00:09 | <vagrantc> weird.
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| 00:29 | <Ryan52> how do I make the resolution smaller? It doesn't fit in the screen area I would like it to.
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| 00:30 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: how i usually do it is set the videoram to 1MB, which means it can't do more than 800x600
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| 00:30 | <Ryan52> cool
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| 00:30 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: otherwise, you can configure /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and add X_MODE_0=640x480 or some such
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| 00:32 | <Ryan52> ya, I should probably read some of the documentation so I can stop asking questions like that.
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| 00:32 | <vagrantc> i'm really baffled why it didn't work with icewm ...
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| 00:35 | Ryan52: have you tried another window manager?
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| 00:35 | <Ryan52> icewm works now...
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| 00:35 | <vagrantc> what was the breakage?
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| 00:35 | <Ryan52> I rebooted all the virtual machines since it didn't work but that that shouldn't matter
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| 00:35 | so I have no clue
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| 00:36 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 01:20 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: Did you actually test your "crude autologin test patch"?
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| 01:21 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: yes, it worked as expected
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| 01:22 | <Ryan52> Did you make any changes to ldm.h?
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| 01:23 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: when LDM_TEST_AUTOLOGIN=True, it used the autologin user/password no matter username and password you entered.
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| 01:23 | <Ryan52> ohhh...nvm
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| 01:23 | I see now
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| 01:23 | <vagrantc> no changes to anything other than what was in the patch
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| 01:24 | so somehow the gtkgreeter needs to pass to the ldm greeter interface, which then needs to pass to ldm that it needs autologin set...
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| 01:26 | <Ryan52> so then there should be another variable (something like ALLOW_GUEST) that would make a guest button appear that would do the same funtion as the autologin variable now, right?
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| 01:26 | <vagrantc> right
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| 01:27 | LDM_GUEST_LOGIN maybe ...
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| 01:27 | <Ryan52> okay
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| 01:27 | <vagrantc> hrm ... but maybe that sounds too much like a username ...
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| 01:28 | <Ryan52> LDM_ALLOW_GUEST?
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| 01:28 | <vagrantc> at any rate, we can figure that out later... important thing is getting the code :)
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| 01:28 | <Ryan52> ya
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| 01:28 | are the changes I helped you with yesterday in the bzr repository?
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| 01:29 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: bzr log -r 800
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| 01:30 | <Ryan52> how do I update it? I have revision 799 right now.
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| 01:30 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: bzr pull
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| 01:30 | maybe that's why the patch didn't work for you
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| 01:30 | <Ryan52> ya, that would explain it
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| 01:31 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: "bzr missing --short" to list the missing revisions
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| 01:32 | <Ryan52> missing revisions?
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| 01:32 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: well, you said you only had revision 799 ... so bzr missing would tell you a little about revisions 800+
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| 01:32 | <Ryan52> ohhh
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| 01:48 | <RyanRyan52> vagrantc: Martin told me that you learned how to use something were it starts a shell and all the changes that you make while your in that shell it will put in to a patch. (That was a really bad way of phrasing it) What's that called?
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| 01:53 | <vagrantc> RyanRyan52: dpatch
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| 01:53 | RyanRyan52: you need to add support for it in debian/rules, basically
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| 01:54 | <RyanRyan52> interesting...
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| 01:54 | <vagrantc> RyanRyan52: currently using it in ltspfs for a patch that's definitely needed in debian, but not sure if needed in other distros...
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| 01:59 | RyanRyan52: see you tomorrow
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| 07:19 | <daresbalat> heyaa, i just updated to gutsy and reinstalled my client and i cant remeber what i did to sort out the graphics last time now, deos anyone know how i get get the hardware lsiting for the client? :\ also has the lts.conf file changed place? should i use the new location it states?
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| 07:23 | ie /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 07:27 | <johnny> they both work
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| 07:28 | move it as your pleasure
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| 07:28 | altho you have to rebuilt the squashfs everytime you edit it if you don't
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| 07:28 | but i haven't edited mine since first setting it up
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| 07:29 | <daresbalat> ah how do you update it?
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| 07:29 | thanks btw :)
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| 07:30 | <johnny> just move it
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| 07:30 | altho i'm heading to work, so i can't help youwith your gfx question, but i'm sure other folks will be about soon
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| 07:30 | <daresbalat> cool
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| 07:30 | <johnny> it's harder to get weekend help here it seems
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| 07:30 | <daresbalat> do you know offhand how i get to login to the client and do lspci directly?
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| 07:31 | <johnny> not sure if setting a root password on the chroot and then going to the console from there will show you it
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| 07:31 | i forgot
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| 07:32 | first time i've been up there early (0830) in awhile
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| 07:32 | foggy head
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| 07:32 | this*
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| 07:32 | <daresbalat> haha np :)
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| 07:32 | <johnny> don't forget to rebuild your squashfs if you're using ltsp 5
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| 07:32 | <daresbalat> how do you do that?
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| 07:32 | <johnny> ltsp-update-client
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| 07:32 | <daresbalat> ahh
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| 07:33 | ah i got no ltsp-update-client program? is that bad?
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| 07:33 | update-image?
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| 07:33 | <johnny> aha
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| 07:33 | yeah
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| 07:33 | <daresbalat> :D phew
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| 07:34 | <johnny> you have to chroot into it first tho
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| 07:34 | to set the password
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| 07:34 | <daresbalat> yeah i did that for some reason cant log in though. hmm. ill try again
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| 07:34 | <johnny> but did you update the image?
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| 07:34 | <daresbalat> no
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| 07:34 | ahh i see
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| 07:35 | <johnny> using squashfs is faster than the old way, but you have to remember to do the image updating .. it's a tradeoff
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| 07:35 | <daresbalat> fair swap :) more speed sounds good to me
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| 07:35 | <johnny> ok.. headin to work
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| 07:35 | bb at 1400
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| 07:36 | <daresbalat> alright have a good day!
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| 07:36 | <johnny> :)
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| 08:14 | <daresbalat> heya can anyone ehre give me a hand with a graphics card problem?
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| 11:19 | <Guil-T> I got a lt2600 (amd geode lx800 processor) that freezes when it trys to start X
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| 11:19 | total freeze...cannot switch tty
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| 11:20 | keyboard turns off too
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| 11:20 | anybody
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| 11:20 | ??
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| 11:22 | anybody online?
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| 11:30 | <Q-FUNK> Guil-T: known bug
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| 11:31 | Guil-T: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/xserver-xorg-video-amd/+bug/140051
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| 11:32 | Guil-T: install the patched xserver-xorg-core packages found there into the chroot, run "ltsp-update-image" then reboot your thin client.
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| 11:32 | <Guil-T> hmm ill try that
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| 11:33 | but this bug is with auto configure and I wrote a xorg.conf file
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| 11:33 | that specifies amd
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| 11:33 | <Q-FUNK> Guil-T: make sure that you choose the right package for your Ubuntu release. 1.3 is for Gutsy, while 1.4 is for Hardy.
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| 11:33 | <Guil-T> ok
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| 11:33 | <Q-FUNK> same issue
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| 11:33 | X is bugged
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| 11:33 | <Guil-T> ya
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| 11:33 | especially with less common hw
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| 11:34 | <Q-FUNK> do I assume that you are on Gutsy?
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| 11:35 | if yes, you'll also need this: http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/x/xserver-xorg-video-amd/
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| 11:38 | <Guil-T> ya
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| 11:38 | sorry reading the bug
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| 11:39 | what i did ii apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-amd
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| 11:40 | do i still need this?
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| 11:40 | <Q-FUNK> https://launchpad.net/%7Eq-funk/+archive
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| 11:41 | you need both the patched xserver-xorg-core from there and the latest -amd driver from the other place
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| 11:42 | <Guil-T> ok so i added the entries in my source.list
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| 11:43 | how is it going to figure where to take it cuz its also available in the other repos
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| 11:44 | <Q-FUNK> it will use the version
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| 11:44 | <Guil-T> the newer version available
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| 11:44 | <Q-FUNK> but you need this in the sources.list of your chroot, not your server side. :)
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| 11:45 | <Guil-T> from all repos
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| 11:45 | <Q-FUNK> yes
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| 11:45 | <Guil-T> of course
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| 11:45 | <Q-FUNK> actualy, you might wanna skip the entry to my personal repo
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| 11:45 | <Guil-T> hmm
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| 11:46 | really?
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| 11:46 | <Q-FUNK> it contains packages that I marked as essential, but that are only essential for me :)
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| 11:46 | <Guil-T> lol
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| 11:46 | <Q-FUNK> just use wget to download the -amd driver from there
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| 11:46 | <Guil-T> ok
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| 11:46 | <Q-FUNK> the launchpad source is ok to add
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| 11:47 | <Guil-T> ok so i added the following only
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| 11:47 | <PMantis> Hi gusy
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| 11:47 | <Guil-T> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/q-funk/ubuntu gutsy main
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| 11:47 | deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/q-funk/ubuntu gutsy main
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| 11:47 | <PMantis> lol Hi Guys
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| 11:47 | <Q-FUNK> yes
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| 11:48 | althoguh you won't need the source one, just the deb one
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| 11:48 | <Guil-T> then i should apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-amd
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| 11:48 | ok
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| 11:49 | how do i update the xserver-core
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| 11:49 | apt-get update
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| 11:49 | then apt-get upgrade?
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| 11:49 | with that new repos in the source.list?
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| 11:52 | said xserver-core is already the newest version
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| 11:52 | !pastebot
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| 11:52 | <ltspbot> Guil-T: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 11:55 | <ltsppbot> "guillaume" pasted "updateing xserver" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/436
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| 11:56 | <Guil-T> sorry forgot to apt-get update
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| 11:57 | ok now it updated correctly
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| 11:57 | it should work?
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| 12:02 | testing
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| 12:05 | wow it really seems to be close
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| 12:05 | it shows weird colors
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| 12:06 | like an extremely low res
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| 12:06 | still there Q?
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| 12:06 | Q-funk?
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| 12:07 | <Q-FUNK> ah, low rez
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| 12:07 | for that, you need to install the updated -amd driver
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| 12:08 | just do apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade
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| 12:08 | <Guil-T> hmm
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| 12:08 | how does wget work
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| 12:09 | i didnt take it from you repo
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| 12:10 | testing
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| 12:12 | same problem
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| 12:12 | how can i get the drivers from you repo
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| 12:18 | <Guil-T> deb http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/x/xserver-xorg-video-amd/ gutsy main
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| 12:18 | would that work for your repo Q-funk
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| 12:19 | darn so close
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| 12:22 | <Q-FUNK> erm, nope
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| 12:22 | just use wget
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| 12:22 | <Guil-T> how does it work
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| 12:22 | i am a n00b
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| 12:22 | <Q-FUNK> wget http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/x/xserver-xorg-video-amd/xserver-xorg-video-amd_2.7.7.6-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
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| 12:22 | then
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| 12:23 | sudo dpkg -i xserver-xorg-video-amd_2.7.7.6-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
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| 12:23 | inside the chroot
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| 12:24 | <Guil-T> allright it worked
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| 12:24 | testing
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| 12:25 | if it works your my hero
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| 12:25 | <Q-FUNK> remember to rebuild the image
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| 12:26 | sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 12:26 | <Guil-T> did
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| 12:27 | same extremely low res
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| 12:27 | but at least it doesnt freeze
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| 12:27 | <Q-FUNK> does that lt2610 boot off a General Software BIOS?
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| 12:28 | erm... lt2600, sorry
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| 12:29 | <daresbalat> heya cna anyone give me any advice on getting my thin client video working? ive got an ati rage pro and i cant get it working at more than 800x600...
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| 12:31 | <Q-FUNK> Guil-T: if it uses General software as its BIOS, you're in bad luck: the default compilation settings produce unusable results.
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| 12:31 | <Guil-T> hmm how can i check that
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| 12:31 | <Q-FUNK> Guil-T: what brand is reported when you power it up?
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| 12:31 | <Guil-T> ill check
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| 12:32 | darn it is general software
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| 12:33 | <Q-FUNK> there you go.
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| 12:33 | <Guil-T> can i flash the bios
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| 12:33 | <Q-FUNK> maybe. see if the manufacturer distributes updates.
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| 12:33 | <Guil-T> allright thanks so much for your time
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| 12:34 | <Q-FUNK> welcome
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| 13:01 | <yanu_> in debian, what is taken for dhcpd-configuration? /etc/dhcpd3/dhcpd.conf or /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 13:02 | <vagrantc> yanu: by default, /etc/dhcpd3/dhcpd.conf ... you can add a line to /etc/dhcpd3/dhcpd.conf that will include /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 13:03 | yanu: you'll need to make sure that /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf has the right settings for your network, but otherwise it's safe to just add an include line...
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| 13:04 | <yanu> vagrantc: and how do i do that? include /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf; that's all?
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc_> yanu: include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf";
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| 13:15 | <yanu> hmm, i don't get the part of tftp??
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| 13:15 | is there suppose to be something in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp ??
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| 13:15 | i read something about copy /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/ to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
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| 13:16 | or maybe mij tftp isn't listining
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| 13:17 | <yanu> tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 13:17 | ok, that must be "/var/lib/tftpboot" instead of "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp"
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| 13:25 | ok , that is solved, in /etc/exports "/opt/ltsp" must be "/opt/ltsp/i386"
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| 13:26 | all what i said is wrong, /etc/inetab was ok
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc_> yanu: yes, there is supposed to be something in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp ...
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| 13:26 | yanu: did you run ltsp-build-client ?
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| 13:26 | <yanu> the client is build
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc_> the last part of ltsp-build-client populates /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
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| 13:26 | <yanu> now, nfs isn't finding his path ...
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| 13:27 | ach, there was an error, with linux-image [it is sid]
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| 13:27 | <vagrantc_> ah, you're fixing things that aren't broken :P
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| 13:27 | (and breaking them)
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| 13:28 | <yanu> i copied /opt/ltsp/i386/boot to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
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| 13:28 | ok
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| 13:28 | now cracking down nfs ...
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc_> yanu: your install failed
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| 13:28 | <yanu> i read something about nfs and ndb ??
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| 13:28 | ya, just the kernel i supposse?
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc_> yanu: with sid, you need to specify either --kernel-package linux-image-XXXXXX or specify --extra-mirror "http://some.debian.mirror/debian lenny main"
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| 13:29 | <yanu> if i'll do it again, the same error would occeur
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc_> if the kernel didn't install properly, nothing else is going to work properly.
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| 13:29 | <yanu> so i have to do it again?
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| 13:29 | ok, have a try
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc_> yanu: please be sure to try it one step at a time ... following the documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 13:31 | <yanu> that was what i followed
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| 13:31 | +
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| 13:31 | <vagrantc_> that says nothing about editing /etc/inetd.conf :P
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| 13:32 | yanu: you'll have to specify the kernel package explicitly in sid, because linux-image-486 is broken, or give it access to the lenny repository by specifying --extra-mirror
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| 13:32 | <yanu> :) hehe, that was 'trying and learning' :) arg need to change xmodmaps ...
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| 13:32 | lenny is testing now?
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| 13:33 | <vagrantc_> yes
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| 13:33 | <yanu> i want sid
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc_> yanu: then specify the kernel to install
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| 13:34 | <yanu> linux-image-2.6.24-1-686
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| 13:34 | ok
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc_> yanu: and if that's too complicated, maybe try etch with the backports :P
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| 13:35 | <yanu> worked years with ltsp-4.x, so i can handle something ;)
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc_> but if you use --extra-mirror with a lenny repository, you'll still get sid, it'll just pull lenny packages from things that are broken in sid.
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| 13:35 | either way...
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| 13:36 | you still get sid
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| 13:36 | <yanu> i just replaced my old [since 2001] debian install , with a new one, that's some work
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| 13:37 | are there things broken then, for the client-root
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc_> i don't know, sid changes multiple times a day
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| 13:38 | <yanu> ok, i'll try it, w'll see
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| 13:38 | <yanu> if i get to much complains from my kids and wife , i can always make a new client-tree
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| 13:38 | <vagrantc_> it has worked quite well with specifying --extra-mirror pointing at a lenny repository.
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| 13:39 | <yanu> i wrote your comment down, if ...
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| 13:39 | thx
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| 13:40 | <yanu> hmm, there goes my bandwidth, wroesh, damned :(
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| 13:40 | * vagrantc_ recommends looking at the --copy-package-lists and --copy-package-cache options | |
| 13:41 | <vagrantc_> yanu: is this a sid server?
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| 13:41 | <yanu> ya
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| 13:43 | options of ltsp-build-client? i don't see them in the man-page
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| 13:44 | <vagrantc_> yanu: try the --help output (which should lead you to --extra-help)
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| 13:44 | OPTIONS not all options are available on all installations. for a complete list of available options, use the --help option.
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| 13:47 | <yanu> ok, found it, thx
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| 13:53 | <yanu> ok, boots to ldm, nice, much faster , i see
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc_> ah good :)
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| 13:56 | <yanu> nice, now i am typing in dvorak, how can i change the keyboard for other family-members ?
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| 13:57 | i can change xorg.conf in the client-root?
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc_> yanu: look at /opt/ltsp/*/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/lts-parameters.txt ... i think
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| 14:07 | <yanu> thx, ok, througd the lts.conf file, ok, think both work
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc_> i think gnome and kde allow you to switch keymap at login ...
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| 14:11 | <yanu> ya, i know, but it's ldm that matters, once logged is, there is no problem ...
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| 14:12 | nice, printers are working, now handl the 2 dhcp-servers
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc_> 2 dhcp servers?
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| 14:13 | best to get rid of one of them.
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| 14:13 | <yanu> ya, it always worked with 2, now i have some trouble
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| 14:14 | dhcpd on ltspserver gives ip 192.168.88.5, but once the kernel loads, it changes to 192.168.88.22, wierd
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc_> you have both dhcp servers configured to tell it where to download the files and where to mount the root filesystem?
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| 14:14 | <Guil-T> i have a thin client with a geode gx processor, it suport good rez and all but graphics are extremely slow
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| 14:14 | are there some tweeks i can try to boost performance
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| 14:14 | ideally i would like to play video on it
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| 14:15 | even the desktop is slow and choppy
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| 14:15 | <yanu> vagrantc_: no, that's the problem with m0n0wall, ther are hidden parameters, but there is one short ...
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| 14:20 | shutting down the other dhcp-server solved that one
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| 14:27 | <yanu> vagrantc_: lots of thanks , all works fine now
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| 14:29 | <vagrantc_> great
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| 14:32 | <johnny> Guil-T, set DIRECTX = Y perhaps
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| 14:32 | in lts.conf
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| 14:33 | forget whether ti's DIRECTX or DIRECT_X
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| 14:36 | <yanu> vagrantc_: do you know how i can change the default desktopmanager for every user?
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc_> LDM_DIRECTX
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| 14:39 | yanu: /usr/sbin/update-alternatives x-session-manager --config
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| 14:39 | yanu: and: /usr/sbin/update-alternatives x-window-manager --config
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| 14:40 | <Guil-T> LDM_DIRECTX = True
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| 14:40 | !pastebin
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| 14:40 | <ltspbot> Guil-T: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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| 14:41 | <Guil-T> !pastebot
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| 14:41 | <ltspbot> Guil-T: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:41 | <ltsppbot> "Guil-T" pasted "my lts.conf file" (42 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/437
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| 14:42 | <Guil-T> thats the only tweek possible?
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| 14:42 | anybody familliar with the amd driver
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| 14:43 | <ltsppbot> "Guil-T" pasted "my xorg.conf file" (124 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/438
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| 14:44 | <Guil-T> here is my xorg.conf file
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| 14:44 | anything I could do to speed up things a litle
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| 14:44 | cuz its extremely choppy
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| 14:49 | <johnny> i don't know anything about amd driver..
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| 15:10 | <yanu> vagrantc_: can i use that for a specific users and then another dm for another user?
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc_> yanu: the display manager comes up before the user has logged in... so i don't see any way you can select the display manager based on the user ... ?
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| 15:16 | yanu: oh, you mean desktop manager ...
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| 15:16 | yanu: if you create a ~/.xsession file for each user, it will use that.
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| 15:18 | <yanu> thx, if they complain, then i'll try that
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| 15:23 | nice work, congrats to all the maintainers !
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