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Channel log from 23 April 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:43 | <gnunux> hi
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| 02:27 | <jonkke> Hello
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| 02:50 | <Kicer86> hi johnny
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| 02:51 | tfu jonkke
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| 02:51 | ;)
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| 03:40 | <jonkke> Kicer86: tfu?
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| 03:46 | <Kicer86> ah polish word ;P
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| 03:46 | i never how to say it in english ;)
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| 03:47 | you say it when you say something wrong ;) what you didn't mean to say
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| 03:48 | <jonkke> ok :)
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| 04:33 | <jonkke> anyone remember anything about ltsp 4.2?
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| 04:36 | server1 has: working ltsp4.2 enviroment and dhcp server.
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| 04:36 | server2 has another ltsp4.2.
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| 04:36 | i'm trying to push one client to server2, with dhcpd.conf "next-server" attribute. it loads pxelinux.0, bzImage and initramfs.gz from server 2, but then starts enviroment from server1. do i need more setting to force one client to enter test enviroment
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| 04:37 | :)
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| 04:40 | always nice to ask help from someone. just asking helps :)
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| 04:40 | i need option root-path attribute too
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| 04:40 | thanks for help :P
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| 06:34 | <multikatt> Hey! I'm setting up a ltsp cluster enviroment but i'm having trouble getting cronjobs working on the thin clients. I'm trying to follow the guide on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutomatedTCShutodwn
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| 06:35 | Nothing at all happens when i try to just add a cronjob in the webgui and i can't use lts.conf as it's appearantly not in use when running ltsp cluster
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| 06:36 | any ideas?
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| 06:38 | <Appiah> it is used
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| 06:38 | just edited somewhere else
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| 06:50 | <multikatt> ok, thanks. But i'm trying to follow this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ChrootCronjobs. But if i run ltsp-localapps xterm and in that xterm run getltscfg CRONTAB_01, shouldn't that give me my crontab entry?
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| 06:50 | i get nothing, same thing with getltscfg -a
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| 07:01 | <multikatt> disregard that; when i run getltscfg -a or getltscfg [whatever] i get syntax error in /etc/lts.conf, line=1
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| 07:02 | first line of /etc/lts.conf on the thin clients is RCFILE_02 = /etc/ltsp/crontab.sh
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| 07:20 | <garymc> Hi, Ive been asked to add a user to our ltsp server ubuntu version. I can access via putty but I forgot the command to add a user. Any know it? ive tried addusr adduser etc etc
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| 07:21 | <multikatt> useradd?
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> sudo adduser
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| 07:21 | <garymc> it says only one of two name allowed when I type that
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> (adduser is preferred to useradd on debian-based systems)
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| 07:21 | Can you paste the whole "conversation"?
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| 07:22 | !pastebot
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| 07:22 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 07:24 | <garymc> yeah i needed to do "sudo adduser Jeff"
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| 07:24 | i was missing the jeff bit
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| 07:24 | thanks guys
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| 07:28 | <komunista> hi all
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| 07:37 | <multikatt> hey
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| 07:38 | i got that lts.conf thing working, didn't know you had to put [Default] in the top of the file. Thanks all!
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| 08:43 | <komunista> please, exist some howto/guide to swap from NFS to NBD on Debian?
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| 08:44 | <cliebow> that would be vagrantc's bailiwick..I dont think debian is up to speed on that..yet
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| 08:49 | <komunista> hmm, I execute ltsp-update-image, and I see that pxe config was updated, inetd too and client properly boot - with nfs and portmap stopped...
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| 09:05 | <munson> ya not sure the resason why that happens cuz i done the same thing and my pxelinux.cfg/default when back to its default
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| 09:05 | <munson> when=went
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| 09:16 | <Gadi> if you use nfs, you should never run ltsp-update-image
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| 09:16 | it is only for nbd (where there is an image in need of updating)
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| 09:18 | komunista: there is no swap over nfs anymore - only swap over nbd. for this to work, there should be an nbdswapd entry in you /etc/inetd.conf and your inetd service should be running
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| 09:19 | also, NBD_SWAP=True in lts.conf
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| 09:20 | <munson> hmm
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| 09:21 | thx for info i was wondering why lol
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| 09:21 | <komunista> Gadi: thanks, I know about NBD swap usage, but I want try NBD boot in debian
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| 09:22 | <munson> anyhow what lines do i need to put into my pxelinux.cfg/default to make these thin clients boot to seperate hd /dev/sdb1 which is windows xp partition
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=20081106230627.GT8315%40ryukin.fglan
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| 09:25 | <komunista> thanks, I read this some months agou, but I was not success with LTSP 5.0
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| 09:25 | now all seems to works
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| 09:29 | <komunista> but thanks for pointing :-)
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> munson: you need to add a menu entry like:
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| 09:30 | LABEL local
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| 09:30 | <munson> can pm me if u want
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> MENU LABEL Boot Local Windows
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| 09:30 | KERNEL chain.c32
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| 09:30 | APPEND hd1 0
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> you can check out the syslinux website for syntax on menus and such
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| 09:31 | <munson> boot local windows? im using diskless thin clients
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> you just asked: "what lines do i need to put into my pxelinux.cfg/default to make these thin clients boot to seperate hd /dev/sdb1 which is windows xp partition
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| 09:32 | <munson> kk iĺl try it bud
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> doesnt sound diskless to me
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| 09:32 | :)
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| 09:33 | <munson> the server is the OS hosting and the thin clients are the hp thin client small ass box standard thin client machine
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> ok
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| 09:33 | so /dev/sdb1 is on the server?
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| 09:33 | <munson> yup yup
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> you can't just boot random server partitions
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| 09:34 | <munson> damn
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> the clients are downloading a kernel from the server and mounting the image as their OS filesystem
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| 09:34 | <munson> ok do i need to make a ramdisk image or somethin?
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| 09:34 | <Gadi> you could boot /dev/sdb1 in a virtual machine on the server
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| 09:34 | ??
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| 09:34 | are you using LTSP?
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| 09:35 | <munson> ya i have virtualbox but not what i wanted.....yes ltsp
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| 09:35 | <Gadi> so ltsp has done everything for you already
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| 09:35 | are the clients booting?
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| 09:35 | <munson> yes to this servers OS
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| 09:35 | <Gadi> not exactly
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| 09:35 | they boot the kernel in: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinux
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| 09:36 | er, /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz
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| 09:36 | <munson> KERNEL vmlinuz
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| 09:36 | APPEND initrd=initrd.img
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> and then they mount the filesystem image in: /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 09:36 | <munson> ya i got that
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> that's what they boot
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| 09:37 | the they ssh into the server and push a display back
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| 09:37 | they never actually boot the server OS
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| 09:37 | <munson> sure does look like it loads it up
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> looks can be deceiving
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| 09:38 | :)
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| 09:38 | <munson> i mean its goin thru the initial bootup of linux installin the modules and all then xwindows pops up and im on
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| 09:38 | <Gadi> right
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| 09:38 | that's all in i386.img
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| 09:39 | <munson> aah ok
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> but after you enter in your username/password, it does an: ssh -X user@server /etc/X11/Xsession
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| 09:39 | <munson> i c....sooo not able to boot to another partiion then w/o making a winxp.img file ? i made one usindg dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=winxp.img
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| 09:39 | <Gadi> and you are running your session on the server
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| 09:40 | <munson> kk
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| 09:41 | <Gadi> bbiab
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| 09:41 | <munson> kk same...bio break
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| 09:47 | <emence> how can you add new ltsp users on the latest ubuntu ltsp server?
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> Like in any other ubuntu system. users-admin or adduser
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| 09:47 | <munson> use the useradd i tihnk
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> adduser is preferred to useradd on debian-based systems
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| 09:48 | <emence> the useradd is not creating home directories
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| 09:48 | <munson> oh
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> munson: Windows can't boot on different hardware, so you'd need a different img for each client
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| 09:49 | <munson> so how would i go about making an image for these pieces of crap thin client boxes w/o disk in them
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> Windows image?
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| 09:49 | <munson> ya windows xp for starters
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> OK, you're not in the correct channel for starters :)
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| 09:49 | <emence> when i try and login, i get an unable to update .ICEauthority
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| 09:50 | and the desktop hangs
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| 09:50 | <munson> lol u know what i meant hehe...i trying to multiboot ltsp thin clients
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> munson: what you're trying to do is called "boot windows from lan" - multibooting is just a tiny, trivial part.
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| 09:51 | You can use AoE, iscsi etc, but all those are not related to #ltsp.
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| 09:51 | <munson> ok ya sounds bout right if its possible using ltsp
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> ltsp is for booting linux
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| 09:51 | It can't be used for windows, it's not at all related
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| 09:51 | <munson> figured so but didnt know if it was possible
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> You can use remote desktop and connect to windows servers, but not boot windows
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| 09:52 | Lots of people use ltsp for that: boot linux and then use remote desktop to connect to windows 2008 servers etc
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| 09:52 | <munson> well this xp is on seperate partition on this server box
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> Yeah, forget about that, it won't work
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| 09:52 | <munson> kk
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> You can't boot windows from an installed partition on the server
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| 09:53 | (not only with ltsp - it's not doable)
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| 09:53 | (windows doesn't support that - not even the license supports it)
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| 09:54 | <munson> well damn waisting my time then ;( crap i thought it´d be cool to have menu like grub and choose which OS for these thin clients to boot to
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> I do have a menu for that
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| 09:55 | To boot thin clients, fat clients, live cd, hiren's boot cd, recovery etc
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| 09:55 | But windows doesn't support booting from a server partition. It's not a menu problem; it's a windows problem.
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| 09:56 | <munson> ya got seperate drive i just installed xp on ;(
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> Yeah, windows sucks :)
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| 09:56 | <munson> was hoping somethin will work
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> It doesn't allow that.
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| 09:57 | <munson> yup i hate windoz too but damn scenario is im in school and when teacher gives classes on OS´s i wanted the thin clients to boot to that OS during class
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> Right, you can use remote desktop or AoE for that
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| 09:57 | Not a partition on the server though.
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| 09:58 | <munson> i know i can use virtualbox but wanted to stay away from that
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> I didn't talk about virtualbox
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| 09:59 | <munson> AoE i never tried that
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| 10:00 | <alkisg> Here's the pxe menu that I send to my clients: http://imagebin.org/94072
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| 10:01 | (some enties are hidden)
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| 10:01 | <munson> so i´d have to use this thin clients setup to load up the seperate box which has xp on it instead of using pxelinux.cfg/default to point to it
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> No, if you have 100 clients you'd need to create 100 AoE images.
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| 10:02 | Read about AoE in google.
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| 10:03 | <munson> ya i will...and that Windows XP (local disk) that is just xp on the thin client?
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| 10:03 | damn too bad these actual thin clients are diskless
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> Right
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| 10:04 | <munson> k
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| 10:06 | ya i was readin info bout using memdisk from syslinux to boot into windows so i was trying to figure out if possible but as u said not possible for these thin clients
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| 10:07 | got my hopes up lol
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| 10:08 | well lunch break...bbl
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> It ***is*** possible with aoe or iscsi.
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| 10:09 | Just not with a "server partition"
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| 10:16 | <cliebow> if a thin client had a disk it weould be a chubby client..portl;y client
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| 10:16 | porcine client
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| 10:45 | <komunista> some day ago here was diskusion about shutdown/reboot LTSP clients via gnome session/panel
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| 10:46 | I found workaround, which works by menu merging and some gconf lockdown - for remove original logout item
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| 10:47 | but all is done manualy in my home dir, but IMHO, it is possible to automate in way simillar to localapps menu items
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| 10:49 | <vagrantc> so the regular logout menu supports the ltsp shutdown/reboot feature?
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| 10:49 | <komunista> not
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| 10:49 | I read your debian bug report to lxsession
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| 10:50 | and I get the xprop syntax from this and made simple script
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| 10:50 | then I create .menu and .desktop files for call this script and it works!
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| 10:51 | <vagrantc> oh, there's also an example in ltsp-trunk/localapps/doc/examples
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| 10:51 | but the provided examples don't override the logout menu... they just provide another logout menu
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| 10:52 | <komunista> IMHO if these .menu and .desktop files will be created by ldm start, it can be automatized...
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> could you paste the files somewhere?
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| 10:53 | <komunista> removing original logout item I do by gconf-editor and setting /apps/panel/global/disable_log_out to true
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| 10:53 | yes, no problem, moment
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc> ah, so you disable the logout, and then provide an alternative?
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| 10:54 | <komunista> yes, it is my idea
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| 10:55 | <komunista> but I do not know how to do this by ldm
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| 10:55 | <vagrantc> the other approach if gnome-session-save returns an different exit code for shutdown, reboot, logout, etc. is to run a wrapper script for gnome-session-save
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| 10:56 | komunista: we'll figure it out :)
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| 10:56 | basically, you just need to plugin to LDM's hooks...
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| 10:59 | <komunista> vagrantc: http://paste.lubomirr.eu/404
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| 10:59 | the very simple script, .menu file and one .desktop file as example
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| 11:02 | <vagrantc> how does ltsp-quit know weather to reboot or logout?
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| 11:02 | er, reboot or shutdown?
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| 11:03 | <komunista> by parameter, for example (from .desktop)
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| 11:03 | Exec=/usr/local/bin/ltsp-quit.sh shutdown
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> ah, so you have one .desktop file for each?
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| 11:03 | <komunista> yes
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| 11:04 | I not familiar with zenity, but maybe it is possible by this...
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| 11:04 | <vagrantc> certainly possible
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| 11:04 | though if gnome-session-save gives different exit codes, might be able to just use that
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| 11:06 | <komunista> man page gnome-session-save have nothing about return codes...
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| 11:06 | <vagrantc> yeah, i probably though about that in the past...
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| 11:06 | * vagrantc is happy to see it in lxde :) | |
| 11:07 | <komunista> yes, it is nice :-)
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| 11:11 | <vagrantc> komunista: so, when the user logs out, do these settings stay with the user?
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| 11:11 | <komunista> hmm, gnome-session-save --logout-dialog give for me only selection logout or cancel
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| 11:11 | <vagrantc> komunista: if they logged in directly on the server, it would cause problem?
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| 11:12 | ah, right... the dialog probably ignores shutdown/reboot when LTSP is enabled.
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| 11:12 | <komunista> yes, for thisp roblem I mentioned the localapps menu
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| 11:12 | *this problem
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc> i don't know if the localapps menu can modify the ~/.config/menus part
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| 11:13 | so far i've just seen desktop files (and icons) get dropped in there.
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| 11:14 | <komunista> I read these local apps scripts some months ago
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| 11:14 | and fr version 5.0
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| 11:14 | *for
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| 11:14 | <vagrantc> but if $XDG_DATA_DIRS can override menu stuff too...
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| 11:15 | <komunista> but if I remember, the itam are created on the fly
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| 11:15 | and on logout these are removed
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> would: gconf-editor and setting /apps/panel/global/disable_log_out to true
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| 11:15 | would that reset itself?
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| 11:16 | <komunista> set it to false
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| 11:16 | <vagrantc> on logout?
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| 11:16 | <komunista> yes, to true on login and to false on logout
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| 11:17 | then if the user login localy, all must be OK, similar as localapps
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| 11:18 | creating lts.conf option to enable/disable this will be good idea
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| 11:19 | <vagrantc> well, for localapps, it works because the directory the .desktop files would be ignored on future logins, in case the user was uncleanly logged out, for example ... whereas gconf data might be stored in the user's home directory
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| 11:23 | <komunista> I not very familiar with gconf (I am not gnome user), but here must be solution
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc> me neither :)
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| 11:26 | <komunista> this is sufficient solution for me, because my users never login other than via LTSP. but maybe other gnome users can help with this
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> hmmm... gnome-session-save --shutdown-dialog
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| 11:29 | komunista: for the option to be in upstream LTSP, we'll want it as cleanly implemented as possible ... generally no mucking with the user's configuration in a way that won't revert itself on logout
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| 11:30 | <komunista> I understand you
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| 11:32 | <Gadi> put this in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/00ltspgconf: if [ -n "$LTSP_CLIENT" ]; then gconftool-2 --load /some/gconf/file.xml || true; fi
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> ta-da!
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> (then do a gconftool-2 --dump /apps/panel/global/disable_log_out > /some/gconf/file.xml)
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> that will allow to temporarily change settings?
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| 11:33 | <Gadi> (you could have an else to revert it back on local logins
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| 11:33 | <komunista> with --shutdown-dialog I get only cancel option and counter to shutdown, after counter get 0, only logout occurred
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> wow... the shutdown dialog i get seems to count down in increments of 10 ...
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| 11:36 | <komunista> from 60 to 30 by 10, then by small step
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| 11:36 | <vagrantc> it went 60 seconds, 50, 40, 30, 20, 19, 18, 17...
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| 11:36 | that's weird.
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> Hi vagrantc, hi all
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| 11:37 | <komunista> hi
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| 11:37 | <vagrantc> hmmm.. i don't get a menu at all with gnome-session-save ...
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| 11:38 | on debian/squeeze
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| 11:39 | <komunista> vagrantc: I have debian testing too
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| 11:41 | * vagrantc wonders if recent versions of gnome include the patches that prevent shutdown of the server from thin clients? | |
| 11:42 | <alkisg> When was that a problem?
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> Remote sessions, like ssh / nx etc, are not considered "active" in consolekit
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| 11:42 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 11:42 | <alkisg> So they cannot shutdown the computer through gnome dbus calls...
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> pre-consolekit ubuntu carried patches to prevent that from happening
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| 11:43 | <alkisg> Ah, ok, that's too ancient for me :D
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> but apparently it's solved by using consolekit ...
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| 11:43 | and now we need to unsolve it to use the ltsp shutdown/reboot feature :)
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| 11:44 | * komunista sometime shutdown his server from NX :-) | |
| 11:44 | <alkisg> Nah, we'd shutdown the server if we solved it :)
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| 11:44 | We want to shutdown the client instead
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc> well, display the shutdown or reboot option in a way that triggers the ltsp features :)
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| 11:44 | <alkisg> Either that, or get the gnome-session exit code
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| 11:44 | (1=reboot, 2=shutdown or something)
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc> yeah, that's what i was thinking would be the way to go
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| 11:45 | hopefully
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| 11:45 | then we could have a single .desktop file that checks the exit status and behaves accordingly
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| 11:46 | <alkisg> We could also ask the gnome people to hide reboot/shutdown for not-active CK seats
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| 11:46 | ...but I'd prefer it if we made them actually work :)
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> well, we don't have to hide reboot/shutdown, we want it to do something different
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| 11:47 | <alkisg> Can sbalneav help in this? I mean, if we have a valid patch, can he help in pushing it upstream?
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| 11:48 | <vagrantc> maybe...
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| 11:48 | all we need is the code. :)
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> Nah, gnome-session/main.c just uses `return 0`
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> i wonder if gnome-session would allow for some sort of hooks mechanism?
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| 11:55 | that way it wouldn't have to be specific to ltsp.
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| 11:56 | i get the impression, unlike lxde, they won't go for LTSP-specific features directly in gnome ... but if a generic mechanism could be established... :)
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| 11:56 | <alkisg> Sure, returning a different value for shutdown vs reboot isn't ltsp specific
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| 11:56 | A hook would also do but it'd be unnecessarily complicated
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| 11:56 | <vagrantc> but that still requires a fair amount of hacking on our part
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| 11:57 | * alkisg has yet to find where the actual reboot takes place... | |
| 11:57 | <vagrantc> and we'll have to work around the fact that consolekit will prevent it from displaying shutdown/reboot
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| 11:58 | <alkisg> It will? They're planning to do that?
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| 11:59 | <vagrantc> i thought we just established they're already doing that... ?
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| 11:59 | 09:42 < alkisg> Remote sessions, like ssh / nx etc, are not considered "active" in consolekit
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| 11:59 | or does that still present the button?
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> They're not active, they perform logout instead of shutdown/reboot, but the menu items are still there
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| 12:08 | <komunista> and some as this? http://proj.penguindevelopment.org/shutdown-dialog/shutdown-dialog-latest.tar.gz
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| 12:08 | it is in python
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| 12:12 | * vagrantc goes back to wondering how on earth to create virtual hal/udisks devices | |
| 12:13 | <vagrantc> seems like with udisks, we've need to create virtual /dev/FOO entries...
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| 12:13 | since udisks just seems to act on device nodes.
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| 12:30 | <johnny> have you guys talked to upstream about this?
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> upstream what?
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| 12:31 | <johnny> gnome-session for one
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> and udisks/devicekit/policykit for the other?
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| 12:31 | <johnny> sure
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| 12:31 | whoever ... just talk to the people who can help you come up with something generic to help solve your problem
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| 12:32 | the problem might be interesting enough for somebody interested to jump right on it :)
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| 12:32 | that's what happened when i suggested the change to packagekit
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| 12:33 | <alkisg> vagrantc: what's a virtual udisk? What's the purpose?
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> alkisg: in order to get ltspfs devices recognized on lxde, kde and i think xfce...
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| 12:34 | <alkisg> Ah, so ltspfs should "register" the disk somehow?
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> and it might be so broad as fuse devices.
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| 12:34 | right
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| 12:36 | * vagrantc loves wiki pages that link to themselves. | |
| 12:39 | <vagrantc> so http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/udisks gives extensive information on what to report in bugs on udisks... but not *where* to report bugs on udisks...
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| 12:39 | not that this is even a bug, really...
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| 12:40 | <alkisg> udisks --mount ?
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it expects a path to a device node... and as far as i can tell, it doesn't work over ssh.
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| 12:41 | tightly integrating into udev is great for a desktop... but seems to make remote access a nightmare.
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| 12:45 | <johnny> vagrantc, actually, devicekit disks gui can work over ssh
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| 12:46 | too bad his site is down with some wordpress upgrade message..
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| 12:47 | you really should talk to davidz vagrantc
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> johnny: well, i'm composing a mail to devkit-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
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| 13:30 | <mutex> hi
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| 13:30 | I am trying to run x11vnc when a user logs in
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| 13:30 | so I can watch their desktop
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| 13:30 | every conceivable way of starting it seems to fail
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| 13:30 | /etc/init.d
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| 13:31 | /usr/share/ldm/rc.d
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| 13:31 | where should it be going ?
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| 13:31 | if I run as user directly it seems to work fine
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| 13:33 | any thoughts ?
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> mutex, why don't you use italc for that?
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| 13:35 | You could put it to /etc/xdg/autostart
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| 13:35 | (I mean x11vnc)
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| 13:35 | <jbrett> mutex: are they gnome desktops? If so, you could just set vino to automatically run.
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| 13:35 | <alkisg> (on the server, not on the chroot)
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| 13:36 | vino needs to be configured to listen on different ports for each user
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| 13:36 | <jbrett> ah, yeah.
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| 13:36 | * jbrett forgot he was on #ltsp ;) | |
| 13:36 | <alkisg> :)
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| 13:36 | <mutex> I don't have any reason not to use italc
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| 13:36 | jbrett: they are ubuntu ltsp terminals
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| 13:36 | I'd like it if everything ran on the local terminal
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> italc is very well integrated toubuntu
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| 13:37 | You just need to do apt-get install italc-master on the server, and logoff/logon.
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| 13:37 | <mutex> sounds cool
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| 13:37 | I will give it a shot
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| 14:03 | <mutex> so the other thing
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| 14:03 | is that my system only boots about 1/4 times
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| 14:03 | the rest of the time X never makes it
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| 14:04 | sometimes it stops booting due to 'mount' errors
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| 14:04 | other times on vt7 it says 'nc: '-f-' invalid option'
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| 14:04 | then prints the netcat help message
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| 14:04 | there is no '-f' for netcat as far as I am aware
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| 15:30 | <Lns> vagrantc: ping?
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| 15:30 | * vagrantc awaits content | |
| 15:30 | <Lns> =) Hey
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| 15:31 | Have you had the issue in Lenny / Gnome regarding System -> Lock Screen not working? I'm bumping my head against a wall, the menu entry does nothing yet my screensaver is "active" for gnome
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| 15:31 | not sure what the command it uses is
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| 15:32 | <vagrantc> i encountered that earlier today on squeeze
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| 15:32 | though i don't use gnome often enough to know if it ever worked...
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| 15:32 | <Lns> hehe
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| 15:32 | <vagrantc> Lns: anything revealing in ~/.xsession-errors?
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| 15:32 | <Lns> lesse
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| 15:33 | " ** Message: Screensaver is not running! "
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| 15:33 | is what prints to the file when i click the menu entry
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| 15:33 | weird
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| 15:34 | hmm, and when I go to System -> Preferences -> Screensaver
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| 15:35 | then click on "power management".. it gives me this: " ** (gnome-power-preferences:27594): WARNING **: DBUS error: Could not get owner of name 'org.gnome.ScreenSaver': no such name
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| 15:35 | ** (gnome-power-preferences:27594): DEBUG: proxy is NULL, maybe the daemon responsible for org.gnome.ScreenSaver is not running?"
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| 15:35 | So .. gnome-screensaver is not running ;)
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| 15:36 | is that because i'm on a terminal and it doesn't execute ?
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> Lns: on my install, gnome-screensaver isn't installed...
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| 15:37 | xscreensaver is, though
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| 15:37 | <Lns> Hmm
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| 15:37 | I have it on mine, but not xscreensaver ;)
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| 15:38 | I didnt' do any manual installs besides updating gnome using lenny-backports
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| 15:39 | * vagrantc doesn't see any gnome stuff in backports | |
| 15:39 | <Lns> ?
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| 15:39 | oh maybe i didn't then...jeez where's my head
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| 15:39 | i'm on 2.22.3
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| 15:40 | <vagrantc> apt-show-versions can help you put your head back on, at least with regard to where your packages are from :)
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| 15:40 | <Lns> ooo, thx for that =)
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| 15:41 | K I have gnome-session/lenny uptodate 2.22.3-2
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| 15:41 | <vagrantc> apt-cache policy is also really useful, and doesn't require installing extra stuff
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| 15:42 | <Lns> vagrantc: ok - so I manually launch gnome-screensaver, it goes into bg.. then I go system -> lock screen and on the terminal I launched g-s on it gives me this: http://pastebin.org/171057
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| 15:42 | and of course gnome-screensaver crashes
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| 16:05 | <vagrantc> Lns: hrm.
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| 16:06 | <Lns> vagrantc: I'm ooto for a bit but I should be back around an hour or so.. lemme know what i can do, if you plan on looking into it :)
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| 16:06 | <vagrantc> The error was 'XF86VidModeClientNotLocal'.
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| 16:06 | that doesn't sound promising
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| 16:06 | <Lns> yeah
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| 16:07 | bbl :)
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| 16:11 | <komunista> vagrantc: I finally get one logout menu item and python logout dialog, only in client, not in local login.
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> komunista: good work!
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| 16:14 | <komunista> I can send to you deb package, if you want try it
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| 16:14 | or send link to download
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| 16:14 | only python dependencies are not precise
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| 16:15 | it is native package - not compiled, not source
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| 16:19 | <komunista> vagrantc: http://info.slavino.sk/ltsp-logout_0.3_all.deb
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> komunista: interesting...
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| 16:30 | komunista: probably also need a dependency on python-gtk* or whatever ships pygtk
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| 16:33 | <komunista> I am not programmer, then I wrote to one friend, perhaps he help my
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| 16:34 | I need to add item to .desktop file to show only in gnome too
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> python-gobject, looks to me.
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| 16:34 | <komunista> vagrantc: do you have icons on buttons in dialog?
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> komunista: looks like a decent workaround overall
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| 16:35 | komunista: haven;t tried it yet, just looking at the code :)
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| 16:35 | <komunista> on my machine I have icons, but on LTSP not :-(
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| 16:36 | <komunista> it can be safely used without ltsp, just run python script, to see dialog
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| 16:38 | and select Cancel - of course :-)
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> komunista: completely broke the applications menu and the system menu seems somewhat broken...
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| 16:40 | <komunista> :-/
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| 16:41 | I have all menu OK
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> komunista: debian/squeeze?
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| 16:42 | <komunista> yes
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| 16:42 | fresh installation in VBox
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> i have a fairly minimal gnome install...
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> komunista: and it completely breaks lxde :(
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| 16:44 | <komunista> yes, I wrote - is needed to add item -show only in gnome to .desktop file
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| 16:45 | LXDE is not problem
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 16:47 | komunista: in a working setup, does XDG_CONFIG_DIRS contain anything?
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| 16:47 | <komunista> here is my menu in client http://info.slavino.sk/ltsp-menu1.png
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| 16:47 | XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is unset
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| 16:49 | hmm
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> well, my applications menu is definitely empty...
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| 16:50 | maybe it wasn't working before i installed ltsp-logout
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| 16:51 | <komunista> perhaps is needed set the $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS to "/etc/xdg/:/usr/share/ltsp/xdg/"
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| 16:51 | <vagrantc> purging ltsp-logout it worked again...
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| 16:52 | <komunista> in gnome or in LXDE?
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> gnome
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| 16:53 | <komunista> can you do "set | grep XDG" withou ltsp-logout?
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/gnome:/usr/locale/share/:/usr/share/
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| 16:55 | <komunista> the same
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> XDG_SESSION_COOKIE=<bunch_of_cookie_data>
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| 16:55 | <komunista> the same for me
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| 16:55 | and with ltsp-logout is only XDG_CONFIG_DIRS added
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| 16:55 | * vagrantc wonders if setting XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ltsp/xdg:/usr/share/gnome... | |
| 16:56 | <komunista> I tried this, but this do not works for me - I canot login with this
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| 16:57 | but the /usr/share/ltsp/xdg directory is added by .menu file <AppDir> item
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 16:58 | <komunista> if is your applications menu empty, then problem can be in XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
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| 16:59 | this variable, if is unset, is represented as /etc/xdg/
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> so we need to set a default if we want to add to it...
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| 16:59 | <komunista> maybe to add to the file /Etc/X11/Xsession/10ltspgconf
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> that worked
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| 17:00 | if [ "$XDG_CONFIG_DIRS" ]; then
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| 17:00 | <komunista> ahh, I have some old .menu files in my $HOME
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="$XDG_CONFIG_DIRS:/usr/share/ltsp/xdg/"
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| 17:00 | else
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| 17:00 | export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/usr/share/ltsp/xdg/:/etc/xdg"
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| 17:01 | though i'd recommend XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/usr/share/ltsp/xdg:$XDG_CONFIG_DIRS"
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| 17:01 | <komunista> OK, I correct both in my files
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| 17:02 | <vagrantc> still no icons
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| 17:02 | <komunista> I'll wait to my friend response...
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| 17:03 | <vagrantc> i don't have any gnome-icon-theme* installed
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| 17:04 | correction, i have gnome-icon-theme installed
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| 17:06 | <komunista> the strace on my machine tell:
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| 17:06 | open("/usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/actions/reload.svg", O_RDONLY) = 3
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| 17:06 | open("/usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/actions/gnome-shutdown.svg", O_RDONLY) = 3
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| 17:06 | open("/usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/actions/stop.svg", O_RDONLY) = 3
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| 17:06 | but I have KDE on my machine...
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| 17:07 | screenshot on my machine: http://info.slavino.sk/ltsp-logout.png
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| 17:13 | yes, I can't login to LXDE
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| 17:22 | for LXDE I need more playing :-)
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| 17:38 | <johnny> hmm..
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| 17:38 | i wonder if there are official lubuntu-desktops i can use for fat clients
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| 17:44 | <dberkholz> johnny: unfortunately we're not gonna have a summer of code student for ltsp, although dracut will happen
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| 17:46 | <johnny> dracut and a stable baselayout 2 would be nice..
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| 17:51 | <komunista> vagrantc: LXDE do not works for me at all, without ltsp-logout, please for you works?
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| 17:51 | I get only on eline in .xsession-errors - about beginning gdm session
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| 17:51 | nothing more
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| 17:51 | and LXDE session dies
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| 18:04 | <komunista> lxsession[1539]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fc98ecd9220 sp 00007fff60848e88 error 4 in libc-2.10.2.so[7fc98ec60000+14a000]
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| 18:04 | good night
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