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| 11:43 | <ltspuser_82> Hi
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| 11:44 | I have a question...
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| 11:45 | I want to have a terminal with the filesystem
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| 11:46 | the chroot is installed or in the terminal hard disk or in an usb device
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| 11:47 | and the terminal only gets the lts.conf from the server...
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| 11:47 | it's possible?
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| 11:49 | <muppis> Possbile, but little tricky. I've done it once (or got it working once), but I didn't write it anywhere what I did. Basic idea is get rid of nbd-client.
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| 11:50 | If you got in mind to load locally and connect over wlan to server?
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| 11:56 | <muppis> Or you, IIRC, set the grub load image directly from device.
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| 11:58 | <ltspuser_82> I want to have a filesystem on a pen
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| 11:59 | <meamy> ltspuser_82: may you can play around with the kernel parameter "root=" something like root=/dev/sdb
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| 11:59 | <ltspuser_82> and or putting a script or with the lts.conf open a ldm or a rdesktop session over wlan
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| 12:01 | <meamy> ltspuser_82: and you have to change some scripts in the initrd.img
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| 14:06 | <tarzeau> hello
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| 14:07 | what's the lts.conf equivalent for:
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| 14:56 | <||cw> tarzeau: for.....
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| 15:09 | <sbalneav> Gooood morning LTSP-land
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> Hi Scotty
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| 15:10 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Hey, I was looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/1017871
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> Ah, any clues why it does that?
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| 15:11 | <sbalneav> The shifty login. I can't seem to make it happen. I'm wondering if it's some kind of i18n/Funky Fonts thing.
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| 15:11 | <alkisg> It doesn't do it the second time that LDM loads, which is very weird, considering that even X is restarted...
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| 15:11 | sbalneav: ubuntu 12.04?
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| 15:11 | <sbalneav> yeah.
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| 15:11 | But I'm not running any fats.
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| 15:12 | I'm going to have a look at the graphics initialization code, see if there's something we should be doing font-wise that we shouldn't be,
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> I've seen it even with a wheezy thin chroot
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| 15:12 | <sbalneav> should be.
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> It's always reproducible for me, and I think I've even tried to set LANG=C / LDM_LANGUAGE=C
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| 15:12 | <sbalneav> anywho, just thought I'd let you know that now that I have my parent's medical disasters in hand, I'm back on the case.
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| 15:13 | <alkisg> I can test things if you like, if you have possible fixes
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| 15:13 | Or I can give you access to a VM, whatever you prefer
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| 15:13 | I think I've also seen it with LDM_WINDOWMANAGER=/bin/true, i.e. without wwm
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| 15:14 | * alkisg hopes sbalneav and his family are fine, LTSP will find its way one way or another... | |
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| 15:37 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> Hey Jim
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| 15:51 | <jammcq> alkisg: howdy
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| 15:58 | <bantaar> does anybody have problem booting to busybox intramfs prompt
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> ...no?
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| 16:16 | <bantaar> Can not figure out why. It is a fresh ltsp server install
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| 16:18 | It also comes up with error that says "Exported device is too big for me. Get 64-bit machine"
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| 16:18 | <meamy> bantaar: did restart the ndb or nfs server ?
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| 16:19 | <bantaar> yes
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> !release
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| 16:19 | <ltsp> release: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 16:19 | <Hyperbyte> yes i am using distro alkisg
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| 16:19 | <alkisg> Hahaha
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| 16:19 | :D :D
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| 16:20 | <bantaar> ubuntu 12.04 installed from alternate cd
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| 16:21 | I restarted nbd server before. But actually I don't have a nfs service
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| 16:21 | <alkisg> Put the output of these commands to pastebin.com: grep -rv '^#' /etc/nbd-server ; ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images
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| 16:24 | <bantaar> http://pastebin.com/epzJqWvf
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| 16:24 | <alkisg> and the output of cat /proc/cmdline on the client
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| 16:27 | <bantaar> it is: ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nbd0 init=/opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/init-ltsp quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7 nbdroot=:ltsp_i386 BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> That should be "init=/sbin/init-ltsp"
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| 16:28 | Are you sure it has /opt/ltsp/i386 there?
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| 16:29 | <bantaar> Well, i used to have it as /sbin/init-ltsp and got the same problem... so then i saw that init-ltsp was actually under /opt/ltsp/i386/sbin/
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| 16:30 | But i can change it back, I changed it under pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 16:30 | in the init= argument
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> Yeah, but before you do that:
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| 16:30 | !nbd-client
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| 16:30 | <ltsp> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 16:30 | <alkisg> Er it's a bit different,
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| 16:31 | nbd-client <server-ip> -N ltsp_i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 16:31 | Try that command, what's the output?
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| 16:32 | <bantaar> Ok, get that error again. "Negotiation: ..size = 520877890MBError: Exported device is too big for me. Get 64-bit machine :-(
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| 16:32 | that size is different eeach time though, seems erroneous
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| 16:32 | <alkisg> On the server, what's the output of `sudo netstat -nap|grep nbd` ?
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| 16:32 | <bantaar> well obviously it is
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| 16:33 | <bantaar> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:10809 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1414/nbd-server
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| 16:33 | unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 51013 1414/nbd-server
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> Try restarting the server... sudo service nbd-server stop; sudo killall nbd-server; sudo service nbd-server start
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| 16:34 | And then the nbd-client command once more
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| 16:34 | Finally, what NIC does the client have?
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| 16:35 | <bantaar> it has an intel centrino... but the client worked before on a different ltsp server. I created too many problems on that one (it was virtual) so i deleted and made a new virtual one and now I am having this problem with the new one
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| 16:36 | I restarted it
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| 16:38 | I also already joined the server to a linux domain, could that be related at all?
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| 16:38 | * alkisg doesn't know what NICs do intel centrinos come with, are they intel as well? | |
| 16:39 | <alkisg> I also don't know what a "linux domain" is, but the nbd-client command should work in any case
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| 16:40 | <bantaar> Oops, didn't see you say to run nbd-client again
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| 16:40 | Ok, just did and seems like it worked
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| 16:40 | Negotiation size 255MB now
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| 16:40 | I will reboot the client
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> I've seen nbd-server segfaulting some times, and then it won't work correctly after that, it needs to be stopped AND killed to work
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| 16:41 | <bantaar> Linux domain: Means I setup samba4 on ubuntu server to act as an Active directory server so I can authenticate users on the thin client
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| 16:42 | <alkisg> OK, nice, although thin clients should still use ssh even if you use samba on the ltsp server itself
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| 16:43 | <bantaar> Ok, I think it does still go through ssh... I just got a kernel panic but not the other error. Maybe I should try switching back to the default init line now
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 16:44 | <bantaar> :) Works
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| 16:45 | Great, thanks for your help alkisg
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| 16:52 | <alkisg> np
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| 19:09 | <mfrade> hi
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| 19:10 | can anyone tell me if LTSP is required for stand alone clients?
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| 19:55 | <mfrade> hi
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| 20:05 | <vagrantc> mfrade: it's not clear what you meant by stand alone clients
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| 20:06 | <mfrade> I want to test epoptes with 2 PCs
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| 20:06 | <alkisg> mfrade: epoptes runs fine with standalone clients, yeah
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| 20:06 | You don't need ltsp
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| 20:07 | Just follow epoptes.org/installation
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| 20:07 | <mfrade> I did
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> And?
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| 20:07 | <mfrade> but I can't get the client to install the certificate
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| 20:07 | <alkisg> Did you put "server" in the client's /etc/hosts?
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| 20:08 | <mfrade> I did: epoptes-client -c 192.168.1.10 (server IP address)
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> OK, but in general it's easier to specify the server in /etc/hosts, otherwise you also have to modify /etc/default/epoptes-client
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| 20:09 | Did you modify /etc/default/epoptes-client?
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| 20:09 | <mfrade> no
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> Then your client won't know where to connect
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| 20:09 | Even if it gets the certificate
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| 20:10 | Better do `sudo gedit /etc/hosts` on the client, and put the server ip with hostname==server there
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| 20:10 | <mfrade> ok, let me try
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| 20:10 | <alkisg> e.g: echo "192.168.1.10 server" | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts
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| 20:11 | <alkisg> Then you just need to run `sudo epoptes-cient -c`, without the server IP
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| 20:12 | <mfrade> now it worked, the client has the certificate
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| 20:13 | <alkisg> Nice, just reboot the client and see if all works
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| 20:14 | <mfrade> it's working now, I can see the remote
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| 20:14 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 20:14 | <mfrade> thanks
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| 20:14 | <alkisg> np
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| 20:15 | <mfrade> could you advise me the best way to deploy epoptes in a class room?
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> In my experience, managing a classroom without LTSP is best done with clusterssh
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| 20:17 | Then you can control all the clients with simple commands from the server
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| 20:17 | So you can run `sudo apt-get install epoptes-client; echo "192.168.1.10 server" | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts; sudo epoptes-client -c` and that's all
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| 20:17 | <mfrade> ok, I will try that
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| 20:18 | <alkisg> If you don't want to use clusterssh, just run the above commands on each client
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| 20:19 | <mfrade> that seems to be easy
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| 20:19 | thanks again for your help
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| 20:19 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 20:20 | <mfrade> bye
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| 21:39 | <mnevans> Hello LTSP World. Quick one. Just updated a debian/wheezy LTSP server. An update of LTSP was done, to 5.4.2-5. No kernel upgrade to the server happened AFAICT. Need I do anything more than reboot the clients?
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| 21:40 | (p.s. I see vagrantc was responsible for much of the changelog; thanks vagrantc!)
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| 21:41 | <ball> What sort of PCI NICs do people like for LTSP use?
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| 21:42 | <Hyperbyte> ball, that depends on who you ask. I swear by Intel NICs myself.
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| 21:43 | <ball> PRO/1000 ?
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| 21:43 | <Hyperbyte> Something along those lines
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| 21:44 | <jammcq> ball, are you talking about for the server or the clients?
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| 21:44 | <mnevans> ball, I would agree with Hyperbyte, based on my experience, for the server end of things. For the clients, I have success with what's in Zotac ZBoxes, AD02-U; and the Diskless Workstations model 1520 with PXEboot.
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| 21:46 | <vagrantc> mnevans: shouldn't need anything more, no
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| 21:46 | mnevans: er, did you upgrade the chroot?
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| 21:46 | <mnevans> vagrantc, nope!
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| 21:46 | <vagrantc> mnevans: ah, you'll need to upgrade that, too.
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| 21:47 | mnevans: ltsp-chroot apt-get update && ltsp-chroot apt-get dist-upgrade
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| 21:47 | <ball> jammcq: Clients, mostly.
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| 21:47 | <mnevans> ltsp-chroot ; apt-get dist-upgrade?
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| 21:47 | <ball> Thanks.
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| 21:47 | <jammcq> ball: for the clients, the rtl8139's are good enough. Those are 100mbit
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| 21:47 | <vagrantc> mnevans: you'd need to do that after important security updates that could affect the chroot, too.
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| 21:47 | <ball> I'll have a look.
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| 21:47 | I have to go
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| 21:48 | <jammcq> but I wouldn't use that for the server cuz there's no intelligence on those cards
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| 21:48 | ok
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| 21:48 | <vagrantc> mnevans: and probably ltsp-update-kernels, for good measure.
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| 21:51 | <mnevans> vagrantc, thanks. So as root: ltsp-update-kernels; then as ltsp-chroot: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.
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| 21:51 | <vagrantc> mnevans: ltsp-update-kernels last
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| 21:51 | mnevans: and i prefer to use ltsp-chroot for each command individually, so it's in my command history
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| 21:52 | mnevans: i.e. sudo ltsp-chroot apt-get update && sudo ltsp-chroot apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 21:52 | <mnevans> vagrantc, thanks - ok. I see - good idea. Lots of updates since Dec!
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| 21:52 | <vagrantc> Debian's getting might close to a release, but yeah.
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| 21:53 | <mnevans> Exciting. I really like Debian/wheezy relative to Ubuntu 12.04. Very stable. I can't get gnome 3 in ltsp though. Problem is with gdm I think I saw somewhere?
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| 21:54 | <vagrantc> problem with gnome 3
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| 21:55 | just doesn't work well with the LTSP model.
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| 21:55 | LXDE supports LTSP pretty nicely.
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| 21:55 | <vagrantc> shutdown and reboot even work properly out of the box :)
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| 21:56 | <mnevans> I'm pretty happy with the gnome classic fallback under debian. Works fine.
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| 21:56 | <vagrantc> good.
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| 21:56 | <mnevans> Wow, shutdown and reboot, nice!
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| 21:56 | <Muromez> Hello all! what about Java security in LTSP? Sorry, I'm a newbee in Linux
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| 21:57 | <mnevans> Thanks again for your help. I've made notes in my logbook... Why are we configuring nbd-client? I thought debian-ltsp was default nfs?
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| 21:58 | <vagrantc> mnevans: it defaults to NFS for the root filesystem, but uses NBD for swap.
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| 21:58 | mnevans: although it can support NFS or NBD for the root filesystem just fine.
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| 21:59 | <jammcq> java security? what's that?
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| 21:59 | <vagrantc> Muromez: what specifically are you looking for?
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| 21:59 | <mnevans> Ah, OK, got it.
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| 22:00 | <jammcq> I think it's accurate to say that Java will be just as [in]secure in LTSP as it is everywhere else
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| 22:00 | <vagrantc> mnevans: older versions of ltsp-update-image would silently (but only partially) convert you to NBD ... but that should be fixed now.
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| 22:04 | <ball> Sorry about that.
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| 22:04 | <Muromez> vagrantc, jammcq: thnks. In the moment, I gather Information about any possibility to get my newort relatively secure.
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| 22:05 | the best java filter seems to be a 50 Ohm terminal plug
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| 22:11 | * ball grins | |
| 22:11 | <ball> BNC?
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| 22:13 | <Muromez> it's an old joke
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| 22:14 | <jammcq> heh
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| 22:24 | * ball grins | |
| 22:24 | <ball> I gave away all my 10base2 stuff when I moved to the U.S.
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| 22:26 | Oh that's nice: looks as though Linksys have a 24-port 100baseTX switch with a couple of 1000baseT uplink ports
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| 22:26 | ...presumably I could use gigabit to the server and 100M for each of the terminals>
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| 22:30 | <||cw> ball: those have been around a long time
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| 22:31 | and that's exactly the use case they advertised
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| 22:31 | <vagrantc> yeah, it's not just linksys
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| 22:31 | <||cw> as well as uplinks to core switches
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| 22:32 | <Muromez> ball where r u from?
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