IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 November 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:42 | <jisaitua> Hello
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| 00:42 | I'm looking for some help with udisks and polkit
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| 00:42 | I have an LTSP installation and I'm using an usb over ip solution to connect usb devices to the server. The problem is that I can't find how to let polkit know that some specific usb disk belongs to a specific user.
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| 00:43 | I know that polkit>=0.107 has some mechanism to do what I want using some form of javascript rules
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| 00:43 | but Ubuntu 14.04 that I'm using has polkit 0.105 only
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| 00:43 | ...so if someone can help me I would really appreciate it
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| 00:45 | <vagrantc> jisaitua: ltspfs isn't working for you?
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| 00:45 | <jisaitua> hi vagrant
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| 00:46 | <vagrantc> what sort of USB devices?
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| 00:46 | <jisaitua> yes, it works, but I'm using this usb over ip solution for all usb devices and I prefer having all under the same umbrella
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| 00:46 | joypad, kindles, usb disks, etc
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| 00:47 | btw: the solution is the one from incentivespro
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| 00:48 | I tried the one from staging kernel but was very unstable
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| 00:49 | <vagrantc> i don't think other folks have tried this
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| 00:49 | but i'd be interested to know the results
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| 00:49 | <jisaitua> it works great
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| 00:50 | I made an udev rule so every device that is connected has the correct info of the "owner" of that device
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| 00:51 | and the latency is excellent...we play steam games in different rooms using usb joypads over ip and works great
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| 00:52 | ..but udisks + polkit is my last problem to solve
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| 00:56 | <vagrantc> nice
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| 00:58 | <jisaitua> to play games remotely I use virtualgl
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| 00:59 | From what I've read, my last chance (and the hardest) is to write some PolicyKit authority implementation plugin...but I don't want to take that route...
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| 01:01 | <bennabiy> interesting...
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| 01:30 | <jisaitua> thanks anyway. If I found some way to resolve my problem I will let you know...maybe it can help others
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| 04:42 | <work_alkisg> jisaitua: is there a reason you're not using netbooted ltsp fat clients instead?
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| 04:43 | <alkisg> I imagine that if a client has a graphics card good enough to play with virtualgl, then it is good enough to also play locally...
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| 08:20 | <alkisg> !noaccel
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| 08:20 | <ltsp> noaccel: Some graphics cards, e.g. SiS [1039:6325] on 14.04, require this setting in lts.conf: X_OPTION_01="\"NoAccel\""
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| 12:31 | <jisaitua> Hi alkisg
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| 12:32 | the clients have very weak graphic cards. The ltsp server has a good nvidia card
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| 12:33 | so I have thinclients in most rooms of my house and all clients can play heavy games like bioshock infinite, soma or the witcher because the server has the big graphic card
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| 12:34 | ...and no need to configure every client (that's one of LTSP beauty)
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| 12:35 | <jisaitua> the clients don't even have to have a 3D capable graphic card (they just need a x11 driver with a good xvideo implementation)
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| 12:38 | <alkisg> jisaitua: hi, I'm not getting it... xvideo is for transferring video, virtualgl is for transferring 3d
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| 12:38 | I assume that virtualgl doesn't work if the client doesn't have 3d, right?
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| 12:39 | Or are you using some other solution that renders the graphics on the server and then makes a video out of the result and sends it to the clients?
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| 12:39 | <jisaitua> yes, the client only sees a video
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| 12:39 | <alkisg> And you say you're using virtualgl to do that?
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| 12:39 | <jisaitua> so the client don't need a 3D card
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| 12:39 | yes, I'm using virtualgl
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| 12:44 | <alkisg> I can't find any references about virtualgl using xvideo
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| 12:45 | I see that vgl transport = turbo vnc in some pages
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| 12:46 | <jisaitua> it's in the docs
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| 12:46 | https://cdn.rawgit.com/VirtualGL/virtualgl/2.5beta1/doc/index.html#hd0010
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| 12:46 | chapter 10: "Support for the X Video Extension"
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> That's very cool
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| 12:48 | <jisaitua> yes it is
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> I didn't find that in the virtualgl.org
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| 12:48 | <jisaitua> and it works incredible well
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| 12:49 | <alkisg> I'm not sure how much CPU the server will need for each client though
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| 12:49 | Is it using turbovnc to generate the video stream?
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| 12:49 | <jisaitua> it depends of the game and what transport you use
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| 12:50 | turbovnc and virtualgl they both use the same: libturbojpeg
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| 12:50 | <alkisg> And you were able to power e.g. 4 clients with it, playing simultaneously?
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| 12:50 | <jisaitua> and that's the trick..the libturbojpeg library
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| 12:51 | most of the time we are only to gamers at a time
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| 12:51 | and the other client is using kodi to watch movies
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| 12:51 | *two
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| 12:52 | <alkisg> Which card, server-side? nvidia with proprietary drivers?
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| 12:52 | <jisaitua> yes, nvidia 770 with proprietary drivers
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> Is the whole session rendered with virtualgl, or only the 3d parts?
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| 12:53 | E.g. can I login to a normal thin client and then have a `ltsp-remote-exec-virtualgl application` script?
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| 12:54 | <jisaitua> the whole session so others use it too (like google chrome)
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| 12:54 | <jisaitua> virtualgl uses the LD_PRELOAD trick
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| 12:54 | so no need to have such scripts
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| 12:54 | <alkisg> I mean to only call it on demand, so that it doesn't interfere with other things
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| 12:55 | <jisaitua> yes, you can do that
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| 12:55 | you can just set the LD_PRELOAD variable when you need it
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> How come it's not packaged for ubuntu?
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| 12:56 | <jisaitua> good question
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| 12:57 | I'm using this technology for years
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| 12:57 | hey, but it is packaged for ubuntu...but I meant it's not in the main repo
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| 12:58 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtualgl/files/2.4.90%20%282.5beta1%29/
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| 12:58 | the *.deb files work in ubuntu and debian
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| 13:00 | <alkisg> The server can also be a windows machine?
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| 13:00 | (the virtualgl server of course, not the client's x-server...)
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| 13:00 | <jisaitua> I'm not sure, but I think it has to be a unix machine
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| 13:01 | * alkisg sees some .exe files there and wonders what they're there for | |
| 13:01 | <alkisg> Ah, cygwin
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| 13:01 | <jisaitua> those are the clients for windows (the libturbojpeg files)
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| 13:01 | ..yes with cygwin
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| 14:44 | <fenixfunk5> alkisg, thank you for all the tips you provided me yesterday, XSERVER=vesa and XOPTION=noaccel got me rid of the error message, leaving me with... nothing but a blinking cursor heheh :p so i eventually built another client image from ubuntu precise, I still do have some minor issues with that one, again all graphics-related, but they're manageable. so, thanks again and keep it up! cheers
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| 16:22 | <_spk_> afternoon, is there a method for turning off the boot logging of the clients?
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| 17:24 | <vagrantc> work_alkisg: you still interested in AoE? have you tried using vblade-persist?
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| 17:35 | <alkisg> Hi vagrantc, no, googling...
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| 17:36 | _spk_: turning off boot logging? what for?
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| 17:37 | vagrantc: so it's just to make persistent names for the blade devices?
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| 17:38 | Wouldn't we manage that in /etc/vblade.conf?
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| 17:40 | I don't know how well AoE fares with ethernet flow control issues, which we usually turn off and handle them with the automatic tcp rate limiting...
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> alkisg: not sure, just curious to explore the options, ran across it looking at other things
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> And it would make it a bit more difficult to auto-generate swap files
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| 17:41 | Although nbd crashes are a lot more frequent than aoe/nfs ones...
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| 18:15 | <alkisg> sbalneav: Scotty do you have some time to work on a papercut for ltsp users?
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| 18:15 | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=730587
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| 18:16 | gnome-keyring creates thousands of temp files on sshfs because its locking logic fails
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| 18:16 | It affects all gtk-based distros since about 3 years now
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| 18:21 | * vagrantc keeps forgetting to verify the issue on debian | |
| 18:22 | <alkisg> We've verified it with cyberorg on opensuse
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| 18:22 | And it's there in mate as well, and I think in xfce too
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> so likely, but i always like to see it for myself if i can :)
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> Sure, and sometimes distro maintainers are good enough to provide patches
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| 18:25 | * alkisg suspects that they broke it on sshfs in order to fix it on windows... :D https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2012-August/msg02916.html | |
| 18:26 | <vagrantc> ugh.
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| 18:26 | <SlimZz_tom> hello all if i can ask are the repo's dead ? trying to install and i'm always getting timed out.
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| 18:27 | <alkisg> SlimZz_tom: what repo's?
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| 18:27 | distro/version etc?
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| 18:28 | <SlimZz_tom> well ltsp rhel repo
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> I think LTSP has not been working on RHEL for a few years now
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| 18:29 | It's pretty much for .deb-based distros only nowadays, except for opensuse which supports kiwi-ltsp
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| 18:29 | <SlimZz_tom> im working now on centos 6.7
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> Which ltsp version is that?
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| 18:30 | <SlimZz_tom> it is fedora and k12
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| 18:31 | i do all it ask there http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Category:Fedora but i'm getting timed out in yum
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| 18:31 | when typing sudo yum install -y ltsp-server
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> 5.4.5 == 2013
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| 18:32 | That's the last we saw of any ltsp maintainer for .rpm distros
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| 18:33 | <SlimZz_tom> yeah i did get to install the ltsp thru rpm but now since the repo "looks dead" i can't even build my thin client in opt
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| 18:34 | <alkisg> Except for completely switching distros, you could also temporarily use another distro to build an ltsp chroot and then copy it to your rhel server
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| 18:35 | <SlimZz_tom> i did a debug while the ltsp-build-client was running and all i got was connection timed out to the repo
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> I haven't seen anyone supporting rhel etc here since 2013...
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| 18:35 | <SlimZz_tom> O.o
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| 18:36 | but but but ... why no support to rhel anymore sad thing
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> Noone cares, simple as that
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| 18:36 | <ogra_> and as usual redhat/fedora ltsp devs come around very enthusiastic, make it even work and then seem to fall off the face of the earth ... and at the next big upstream change rh/fedora ltsp is broken again
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| 18:36 | <SlimZz_tom> lol
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| 18:37 | <alkisg> Yup, we've seen that numerous times unfortunately
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| 18:37 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 18:37 | <SlimZz_tom> oh well then i just build my own client thougt of having an easy life with ltsp :(
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> Maybe if enough rhel users cared, you guys could organize a fund raing or something
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| 18:38 | *raising
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| 18:39 | <SlimZz_tom> doing it is quite easy the hardest part is having your client using the same credential and the server and same for the home dir.
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| 18:39 | <alkisg> If you can find your way around the code, you can maintain ltsp yourself and even send patches for whatever you find not working
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| 18:40 | !ltsp-source
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| 18:40 | <ltsp> ltsp-source: at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files
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| 18:40 | <SlimZz_tom> well thx guy to have confirmed my thought ! ltsp for rhel is freaking dead ! :P
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| 18:40 | <alkisg> Yup, until some rhel developer decides to support it :)
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| 18:43 | <SlimZz_tom> sad thing i'm not a dev only an admin :)
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> it's not impossible to make the transition
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| 18:43 | * vagrantc has had one foot in each for years | |
| 18:44 | <vagrantc> LTSP is pretty much system administration
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| 18:44 | <SlimZz_tom> yeah i'd like to have the possibility to learn to dev but i'm the kind of guy that need a mentor XD
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| 18:44 | yeah i
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| 18:45 | well i am an admin but unfortunatly i lack the knowledge of scripting ( sucks for me)
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| 18:45 | so i have others to do that parts of my job lol
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> only way i learned anything is by trying
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| 18:47 | <SlimZz_tom> unfortunatly i haven't found a good reference website to learn it and i can scrap as many OS as i want viva the VM's
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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| 18:47 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> ltsp in 1 hour :)
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| 18:47 | <SlimZz_tom> well one day i go do those RHEL certif :P
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| 18:48 | <alkisg> (50 minutes is the os installation :))
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| 18:48 | <SlimZz_tom> well thanks guy have a nice day ! see ya 1
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> bb!
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| 20:17 | <_spk_> work_alkisg: mainly because it's the busiest thing writing to the disk during client boot and we're looking to get a room of 160 machines booting simultaneously...
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| 20:18 | <muppis> _spk_, in which disk it writes them? There's no disk to write.
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| 20:19 | Those logs are not stored anywhere
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| 20:20 | <ogra_> dont they go to the servers syslog anymore ?
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| 20:20 | (they used to)
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| 20:20 | <muppis> Never heard from that.
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| 20:21 | <ogra_> well, then that has probably changed
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| 20:22 | <_spk_> ogra_: yeah, it's ending up in kern.log on the server
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| 20:22 | <vagrantc> i think it's no longer enabled by default, since it requires server-side configuration to work properly.
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| 20:22 | <ogra_> uuh
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| 20:22 | it should definitely not go to kern.log
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| 20:23 | ah, right, its a systemd world ...
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| 20:23 | that surely has changed remote logging
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| 20:25 | <||cw> I don't see anything like that in my logs, so if it's doing it on yours it's something you enabled... turn it off.
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| 20:25 | <_spk_> maybe...we're just using the 14.04 LTS release
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| 20:26 | <||cw> I have a debian weezy and an ubuntu 10.04 (which is soon gone)
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| 20:28 | <_spk_> ||cw: if it's a non-default setting I'll have to talk to the guy who built the server but I can't see anything obvious right now.
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| 20:28 | the setting I'm looking at is
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| 20:29 | ltsp-build-client.conf:#SYSLOG_HOST="xxx.xxx.xx.xx"
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| 20:29 | where the onfigured IP address is *not* the ltsp server
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| 20:29 | but it's a minor thing to just remove some noise
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| 20:31 | <vagrantc> that setting shouldn't be in ltsp-build-client.conf
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| 20:31 | <_spk_> actually it's been commented out too.
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| 21:12 | <||cw> _spk_: did the client image get built after it was commented out?
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