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Channel log from 4 February 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:26 | <mordocai> Hello, I was wondering if anyone could point me to a tutorial for converting a fedora ltsp install to NBD? Also, what's the best way to lock all users of all thinclients to just firefox? Also do not want them to be able to change anything about... well... anything really.
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| 01:12 | <mordocai> Sorry for the repeat, but i d/c so i wasn't sure if anyone answered in my absence: Hello, I was wondering if anyone could point me to a tutorial for converting a fedora ltsp install to NBD? Also, what's the best way to lock all users of all thinclients to just firefox? Also do not want them to be able to change anything about... well... anything really.
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| 06:21 | <avolkovi> anyone awake here that can help me troubleshoot an ltsp boot problem?
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| 06:45 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 06:45 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "ask" :: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 06:45 | <alkisg> avolkovi ^^^
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| 06:48 | <avolkovi> ok... i have several labs in rural schools, no internet... did a fresh install of edubuntu 9.10 with ltsp, try booting the think clients and they give squashfs errors if i boot more than one at a time... i can log in as a user on one that successfully boots, but as soon as i login on a second tc, the first one locks up
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| 06:48 | i don't have internet at these schools, so i can't rebuild using ltsp-build-client
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| 06:50 | other clients don't even boot.. they manage to download the image vie PXE and then hang after "....done" i'm thinking that might be a PXE error, so i'll try with gPXE disks next time i go out
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| 06:50 | server works fine, and the lab was running 7.04 with few to no problems
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| 06:54 | <alkisg> " i can log in as a user on one that successfully boots, but as soon as i login on a second tc, the first one locks up" ==> are you logging in with the same or with a different user?
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| 06:55 | <avolkovi> different user
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| 06:55 | it's really bizarre... what blows my mind is i can't boot several tc's at once
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| 06:56 | if i go one at a time and i wait til each makes it to the login screen before proceeding i can atleast get them to login screens
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| 06:56 | but logging in on more than one is out of the question
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| 06:58 | i thought it might've been a hard drive problem on the server... like it was sending over a corrupt image, but problem persists after clean installs on two different hdd's
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| 06:59 | * avolkovi needs to be afk for a bit while he teaches... pm if you have any ideas | |
| 07:00 | <alkisg> The squashfs errors in 9.10 isn't really unusual, but it works with them
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| 07:00 | The "cannot login more than one" seems like a dhcp issue
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| 07:01 | The "hangs if I logon to another pc" is really bizzarre :)
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| 07:01 | *cannot boot more than one
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| 07:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> "
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| 07:40 | <avolkovi> alkisg: it's not a dhcp issue, there is nothing else on the network beside a switch and the tc's
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> avolkovi: that doesn't really matter if it's a dhcp bug...
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| 07:41 | <alkisg> bbl
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| 07:41 | <avolkovi> ok
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| 07:41 | thx
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| 08:34 | <grantk> good morning
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| 08:35 | Is anyone aware what controls the available sessions you see with ldm?
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| 08:36 | <appiah> controls how?
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| 08:37 | <grantk> appiah: well, I am working on ldm load balancing and whenever I give the choice of more than the server that gave my client it's ip address I lose the option for a kde session. So I only have the default and Failsafe Xterm. This leads me in a loop where I can login to ldm, black screen, back to ldm.
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> grantk: ldminfod
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| 08:37 | <grantk> so I wanted to try and hunt down a reason why the info was not returned
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| 08:37 | <Gadi> try installing the ldm-server package on the app servers
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| 08:38 | <grantk> Gadi: I have that installed on both servers, Actually use it to choose the best server
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| 08:38 | Gadi: You mentioned the app server. I just have two servers installed with the ltsp packages, one is not really designated as an app server
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| 08:39 | <Gadi> do they both have ldminfod?
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| 08:39 | <grantk> Yes
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| 08:39 | * Gadi believes ldminfod runs out of inetd | |
| 08:39 | <Gadi> so, check that inetd is running
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| 08:39 | <grantk> ok
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| 08:40 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:41 | <Q-FUNK> re
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| 08:42 | <grantk> Gadi: I am not sure how to check if inetd is running via the client, I can not login of course, But I did check out the inetd.conf in the chroot and saw the calls to ldminfod as well as the calls to nbdswapd, when I boot with just one server my nbdswap spaces do start up so I would tend to assume inetd is running.
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| 08:42 | and it has a process on the server of course
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| 08:47 | I think I possibly found it in the /usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/ldm file, I am going to assume at the moment my get_hosts script is not returning the proper server list. I will try hardcoding that and see if ldm is able to loop through the servers returned and get the proper info.
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| 09:04 | <grantk> semi-success! I was able to log into the server I attempted to have my get_hosts script return when I just hardcoded the entries into the get hosts_script. I had to go with ip's not with a name, even though I defined the nameservers and searchdomain in the lts.conf(no big deal there)
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| 09:04 | So one thing I have noticed is that in a bash shell I can run my get_hosts script and the get_hosts script from the ltspManual and get the proper output. But the ltspManual script has errors when it is ran on my ltsp clients. I wonder if this is due to a different shell?
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| 09:07 | <Gadi> what are the errors? (also, I noticed in one of your posts, you have multiple IPs in DNS_SERVER - that does not work in any packaged version of LTSP
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| 09:07 | I just added support for that last week
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| 09:07 | try with only one IP
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| 09:08 | <grantk> ahh, ok that might get me back. Let me look at the errors again, my memory tends to be horrible at times!
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| 09:12 | <grantk> Gadi: Forward host lookup failed: Hostname lookup failure
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> grantk: how is that a shell error?
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| 09:25 | <grantk> no, that is not
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| 09:26 | the shell error I am wondering about is why the scripts when ran from the server return the proper information
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| 09:27 | but when I rely on the ltsp client to run it nothing is returned that I know of, that is the only reason I can think of that if I hardcode a server list to return it works like one would expect.
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| 09:28 | http://pastebin.com/d397c1640
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> your TMP_LIST looks a bit weird
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| 09:30 | oh, I see what you are doing
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| 09:31 | * Gadi wonders if "echo -e" is a bashism | |
| 09:31 | <Gadi> romm@bart:~$ echo -e "blah\nblah"
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| 09:31 | blah
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| 09:31 | blah
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| 09:31 | romm@bart:~$ sh
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| 09:31 | $ echo -e "blah\nblah"
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| 09:31 | -e blah
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| 09:31 | blah
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| 09:31 | $
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| 09:31 | indeed it is
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| 09:32 | take out the -e
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| 09:32 | <grantk> ok
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| 09:33 | <grantk> that may leave me with some newline chars in the list though.
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| 09:36 | gadi: Still leads back to the same issue as before.
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| 09:37 | <Gadi> make it: RETURN_LIST=$(echo $TMP_LIST | sort -r | cut -d_ -f2) ; echo $RETURN_LIST|tr '\n' ' '
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| 09:44 | <grantk> Gadi: on that second line are those all single quotes?
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> after the tr?
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| 09:44 | <grantk> yes
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> yes
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| 09:45 | that translates \n to ' '
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| 09:45 | <grantk> cool, having trouble on my end telling if there were any backticks in there
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> Doesn't `echo $RETURN_LIST` already strip all newlines? (if used with a "normal" $IFS)?
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> alkisg: not the way this is coded
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> Ah, ok
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> (I think)
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> I thought echo $x with IFS=' \t\n' consolidated any spacing...
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| 09:46 | (as opposed to echo "$x")
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| 09:46 | * Gadi thinks ltsp-devs need to write a book on shell :) | |
| 09:46 | <alkisg> :D
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| 09:46 | <Gadi> I don't think anyone puts dash through its paces as much as we do
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> Right, I've been comparing ltsp to what I see in /usr/bin/*, and you guys are doing an excellent job...
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| 09:47 | The only thing I disagree is the 4-spaces guideline :)
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| 09:47 | This way we lose the shell feature that strips tabs... <<<
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| 09:49 | Errr, <<-
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| 10:20 | <grantk> sorry, got called away. When I try to use those modifications I get one server returned out of the two.
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> pastebot again?
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| 10:21 | <grantk> it returns: 10.0.0.32\n98 so I get the server with the lowest ranking plus newline plus the ranking of the best server.
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| 10:21 | sure
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| 10:22 | http://pastebin.com/d2fbde373
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| 10:26 | <alkisg> Urgh, bash... :P
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| 10:26 | let? wth is let? :D
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| 10:28 | <grantk> alkisg: I am not too clear on it, looked it up this morning. http://ss64.com/bash/let.html
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| 10:29 | <Gadi> http://pastebin.com/m1f23b150
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| 10:29 | try that
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| 10:30 | <alkisg> echo $TMP_LIST ==> that would output everything in a single line
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| 10:30 | So sort afterwards doesn't make any sense
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| 10:30 | Maybe you should use quotes...
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| 10:31 | <grantk> yeah, that is where I was trying to use echo -e to get my newline
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| 10:31 | <alkisg> echo "$TMP_LIST" would be better...
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| 10:31 | <grantk> gadi: still get the output 10.0.0.32\n98
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| 10:35 | so the chroot environment is what actually executes the get_hosts script if I understand everything.
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| 10:35 | I can use the echo -e in the chroot and it produces the desired results.
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| 10:36 | <alkisg> grantk: can you provide some sample input?
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| 10:37 | <grantk> sure
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| 10:39 | <grantk> http://pastebin.com/d6ef88384
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| 10:39 | I included my original script and the modified script you made with the sample input of 10.0.0.32 and 10.0.0.46
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| 10:40 | * alkisg meant the ldminfod output, sorry... | |
| 10:40 | <grantk> ohh
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| 10:43 | <grantk> http://pastebin.com/d19cf75e0
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| 10:45 | <dro> good morning
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| 10:45 | here is an interesting question to start the day off
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| 10:46 | using a USB sound card with LTSP
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> grantk: and the point is just to keep the one with the biggest rank? Then you don't need to keep them all.. and if inside the loop would do it better.
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| 10:47 | *an
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| 10:47 | <grantk> true
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> if [ "$rank" -gt "$max" ]; ...
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| 10:47 | <sbalneav> dro: Still waiting for the question :)
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| 10:48 | <dro> sbalneav: it's not working, I'm still testing with it, I just pluged it into a regular usb desktop and it did nothing......maybe it's dead
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| 10:48 | <sbalneav> Or:
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| 10:49 | /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
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| 10:49 | # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
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| 10:49 | options snd-usb-audio index=-2
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| 10:50 | so, in the chroot, you may want to comment out that line in $CHROOT/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
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| 10:51 | <dro> sbalneav: ok cool checking that now
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> grantk: for just the "max" server, this might do: http://pastebin.com/m247fe06b
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| 10:54 | (untested)
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| 10:55 | <grantk> does from the server, I will rebuild the image and test on the client
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| 11:01 | <dro> sbalneav: success!
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| 11:01 | sbalneav: tyvm
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| 11:02 | <grantk> success!
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> Nice :)
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| 11:02 | <dro> grantk: woo!
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| 11:02 | <grantk> yep, I guess the option for a choice was nice, but who am I kidding, they would never use it.
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> grantk: ah, I didn't realize that
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| 11:02 | <grantk> I think I would be the only one who would.
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| 11:02 | <alkisg> Let me modify it for the whole list...
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| 11:03 | <grantk> no problem, I xdmcp in if I am connecting to one of these anyway so I already have that choice.
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| 11:03 | <alkisg> grantk: the format is just the IPs sorted by rank, but without the rank?
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| 11:04 | and, on one line or on multiple lines?
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| 11:37 | <silvergti> hello
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| 11:38 | does lts.conf support mac address wildcard?
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> silvergti: 'fraid lts.conf does not support any wildcards
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| 11:42 | !seen allinone
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| 11:42 | <ltspbot> Gadi: allinone was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 2 days, 19 hours, 12 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <allinone> Gadi: catch you later
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| 11:42 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 11:43 | <silvergti> ok Gadi, thank you :)
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> silvergti: it does
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| 11:56 | Gadi: it does :)
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| 11:56 | There was a commit about it 2-3 months ago...
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| 11:56 | So a recent enough version should support it
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| 11:57 | <vbundi> hey since I've switched over to ubuntu 9.10, I'm getting a tftp timeout error on boot with the VM I am using as a thin client
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| 11:57 | * alkisg had to use the debian sid's pxelinux.0 to overcome that :( | |
| 11:57 | <akuepker> vbundi: are you using gpxe or etherboot?
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| 11:58 | <vbundi> pxe
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| 11:58 | <akuepker> ok. was hoping for the easy answer.
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| 11:58 | <vbundi> alkisg: oh really?
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| 11:58 | do people still use etherboot?
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| 11:58 | <silvergti> alkisg: I installed my test version last week, tested with [00:e0:c5:*] and no magic :(
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| 11:58 | <alkisg> Well for my vbox and in 2-3 more cases, yeah...
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| 11:59 | silvergti: "test version" == which version?
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| 11:59 | <akuepker> a bunch of our DW terminals still have it.
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| 11:59 | <silvergti> alkisg: sorry, badly explain, my test server
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> silvergti: ok, but which ltsp version do you have?
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| 12:00 | <silvergti> 5
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| 12:00 | <akuepker> we've had to pull all of them to move to LTSP5 on Karmic. We've been tunning LTSP since 2003-ish, and there's always a few terminals tucked away that we forgot about.
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| 12:00 | running, that is
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| 12:00 | <vbundi> wait maybe there is an easier answer
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> silvergti: "(07:55:29 μμ) alkisg: There was a commit about it 2-3 months ago..." ==> is your LTSP version that recent?
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| 12:01 | <vbundi> I can't find tftpd on my system.
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| 12:01 | <silvergti> ltsp-server_5.1.90-0ubuntu3_all.deb
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| 12:01 | <vbundi> I did apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 12:02 | <alkisg> silvergti: no, that's Karmic, I don't think it supports wildcards.
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| 12:02 | <akuepker> is your dhcpd on the LTSP box?
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| 12:02 | <vbundi> yes
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| 12:02 | <alkisg> silvergti: More recent versions should support wildcards though.
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| 12:03 | <vbundi> should ltsp-server-standalone not add tftp in?
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| 12:03 | <silvergti> alkisg: ok. i will wait for the Ubuntu ppl :) thank you
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| 12:03 | <dro> vbundi: it adds a tftp server but it's named something else....looking it up
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> silvergti: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/1474
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| 12:04 | <vbundi> oh yea that sounds like ubuntu lol
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> silvergti: any version later than 2009-12-25 supports wildcards. You can find one for karmic in stgraber's ppa.
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| 12:04 | <akuepker> vbundi: tftpd-hpa
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| 12:05 | <dro> vbundi: tftp isn't your issue, it's something else, you done the basics? sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys, sudo ltsp-update-kernels, sudo ltsp-update-image ?
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| 12:05 | vbundi: could also be your path, you do anything weird in your dhcpd.conf file or change any paths for the *.img ?
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| 12:07 | <vbundi> dro: yea I've ran ltsp-update-xxx, haven't changed anything in my path afiak
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| 12:07 | <dro> vbundi: rebooted server?
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| 12:08 | <vbundi> dro: yep hehe
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| 12:08 | <alkisg> vbundi: apt-get install tftp-hpa (the client) and try: tftp localhost / bin / get ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 12:08 | <vbundi> akuepker: service tftpd-hpa disabled! hah
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| 12:08 | <alkisg> vbundi: don't enable it
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| 12:08 | It runs from inetd
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| 12:08 | <vbundi> alkisg: doh
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| 12:08 | ah that makes sense
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| 12:08 | <alkisg> Don't change your setup...
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| 12:08 | grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf to see it
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| 12:09 | <vbundi> tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> Yeah, it looks ok. Try the tftp client
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| 12:09 | <silvergti> see if u got the port open
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| 12:09 | netstat -natup | grep 69
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| 12:10 | <vbundi> doesn't appear to have a port open
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| 12:10 | <alkisg> sudo service openbsd-inetd restart ?
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| 12:11 | <vbundi> yea no port 69
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| 12:12 | I've got 3 running for inetd though
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| 12:12 | <silvergti> u got firewall?
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| 12:12 | <vbundi> ports 9571/9572/2000
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| 12:12 | <dro> vbundi: did you do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade before installing ltsp-standalone-server
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| 12:12 | <vbundi> dro: oo maybe not.
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| 12:12 | <dro> vbundi: never hurts to double check.....time to start over :)
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| 12:13 | <vbundi> one sec here
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| 12:15 | dro: ok so by start over, are you saying I can't just update, and run the ltsp-update-XXX scripts and go?
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| 12:15 | <Lns> Gadi: cheers on the whiptail screenscript!
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| 12:15 | that is awesome. I'll test it out today
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| 12:15 | <dro> vbundi: should just be able to do the update and dist-upgrade and then see what happens
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| 12:16 | vbundi: then rebuilt the image
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| 12:16 | <vbundi> silvergti: I did check ufw and it said it was running, I've disabled it as this system will be behind a different firewall
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| 12:16 | <dro> vbundi: worse case scenario, purge everything you installed so far
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| 12:16 | vbundi; do the updates, then reinstall, won't take that long
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| 12:16 | <vbundi> yea I've only installed ltsp-server-standalone
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| 12:17 | <dro> vbundi: did you also build the client?
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| 12:18 | <vbundi> dro: most definitely ;) --arch i386 too
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| 12:18 | <dro> vbundi: yea just update everything
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| 12:18 | reboot and see whats happens
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| 12:18 | <vbundi> dro: although if I hadda forgot to build the client I don't know if I would have admitted it.. lol
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> Lns: great - I have sort of gotten commit happy with screen scripts lately - nice if *someone* tests it
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| 12:18 | :)
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| 12:19 | <dro> vbundi: lol
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| 12:21 | <Lns> Gadi: for sure =) I'll do a simple test with ldm and ssh
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> Lns: did you get from the script the variables to put?
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| 12:22 | <Lns> Gadi: I think so.
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> cool
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| 12:22 | lemme know how it goes
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| 12:23 | <Lns> will do
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| 12:27 | Gadi: ok you know i'm on 8.04, was this dir changed in more recent versions? ${MENU_APPEND_PATH:-"/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/"} --- I think mine is /usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d
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| 12:30 | <Gadi> yes it was
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| 12:30 | you can mod the script
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| 12:30 | or symlink the dir
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| 12:31 | <Lns> k
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| 12:31 | just making sure =)
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| 12:38 | Gadi: i know this is moot but the new ssh script's comment says "Get the IP address of the host to telnet into" ;)
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| 12:39 | just for whenever you push a new one
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> ha!
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| 12:39 | lol
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| 12:39 | see what happens when you code quickly?
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| 12:39 | :)
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| 12:39 | <Lns> haha... =) i'm learning good practices by scouring these scripts!
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| 12:40 | i know mine won't be even close to the quality yours are for a loooong time
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| 12:44 | <Lns> Is the startx screen script to launch a local x session on the client itself?
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| 12:52 | <vbundi> hey what are the minimum requirements for ltsp 5 terminals nowadays? my Neoware terminals with 24MB ram are kernel panic'ing from running out of memory
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| 12:54 | <Lns> vbundi: personally i wouldn't run a terminal with less than 512..but you might be able to get away with 256 depending on what you're expecting of it
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| 12:54 | or maybe even 128
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| 12:55 | <vbundi> lns: yowza. These things have been running ltsp 4 connecting to windows 2k3 for years with 28MB
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| 12:55 | * alkisg is using 64mb terminals without problems | |
| 12:56 | <Lns> vbundi: ltsp5 is a much different (read: updated) beast
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| 12:56 | alkisg: you're not running OOo or FF are you ;)
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| 12:56 | <alkisg> Lns, sure
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| 12:56 | OOo, FF, videos, wine, you name it
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| 12:56 | <vbundi> yea wow apparently
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| 12:56 | <Lns> alkisg: seriously? you don't crash often?
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> Nope
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| 12:57 | <Lns> how do you get around the pixmap fiasco?
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| 12:57 | <vbundi> alkisg: are you running ubuntu? and what ver
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| 12:57 | <alkisg> I don't think it uses pixmaps if it doesn't have enough free ram...
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| 12:57 | vbundi: yes, well on those terminals I've tried from 7.04 to 10.04
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| 12:58 | <vbundi> wow
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| 12:58 | * Lns stands corrected.. | |
| 12:58 | <alkisg> Of course I don't install anything on the chroot, apart from the langpacks and sometimes sshd
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| 12:59 | But I do have nbd swapping or a local swap partition enabled...
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| 13:00 | (nbd_swap isn't enabled by default, unless 48 Mb RAM or less are detected ... maybe we should increase that to 64 nowadays...)
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| 13:00 | <vbundi> well thanks to dro, I've got my newer terminals booting great... wow is 9.10 is much faster than 8.04 on boot
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| 13:00 | * alkisg reboots to install lucid i386... (had amd64 so far...) | |
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| 13:02 | <akuepker> alkisg: what's your opinion so far re: lucid?
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> akuepker: fine - bbiab from the live cd.
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| 13:05 | <vbundi> why's LTSP5 so much more resource hungry over LTSP4... hardware support, LDM or what?
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| 13:06 | <Lns> vbundi: sound, localdev, supports newer hardware, ....
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| 13:06 | <johnny> newer kernels
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| 13:06 | <Lns> integrates with OS packaging system
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| 13:06 | <johnny> yeah.. it's not ltsp.. it's the OS
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| 13:06 | the whole thing
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| 13:07 | <vbundi> oh yeah I guess the clients are running newer kernels
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| 13:07 | <johnny> the OS in ltsp4 is quite old
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| 13:07 | the entire chroot OS was uhmm.. how old?
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| 13:07 | 5 years?
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| 13:07 | 4?
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| 13:07 | <vbundi> well my ltsp 4 install is runnign 2.4.x
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| 13:07 | <johnny> 2.4 is dead
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| 13:07 | <vbundi> yeah
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| 13:07 | <johnny> 2.4 was certainly a bit better at such things
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| 13:08 | <Lns> ipcop still uses it ;) but not for long actually
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| 13:08 | <vbundi> I can't even use newer mice, I only get Y-axis movement
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| 13:08 | ipcop is moving to 2.6???
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| 13:08 | <Lns> yup, in 2.0 series
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| 13:08 | new web ui and everything =)
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| 13:08 | <johnny> really if we want an awesomely slim chroot os, we'd compile using a smaller c library and clean out more stuff we don't need
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| 13:08 | <abeehc> i'm having trouble where certain users have the dev dir recreated under their home directory
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| 13:08 | <vbundi> wow, when's that happening... I use ipcop quite extensively lol
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| 13:09 | <abeehc> i don't even know it's directly ltsp related
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| 13:09 | using ubuntu904
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| 13:09 | and they end up with like a 10gig dev dir :\
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| 13:09 | and then they yell at me cause the machine runs outta space
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| 13:10 | anyone ever heard of something like that? google is failing me
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| 13:10 | <Lns> vbundi: you cna check out the 1.9.9 release ISO
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| 13:10 | <vbundi> yeah I am downloading it
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| 13:10 | <Lns> not sure when it's going to be released.. /me would assume "when it's ready"
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| 13:10 | <vbundi> yea sorry dumb question I guess
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| 13:11 | <Lns> Gadi: dunno if this is the menu scripts fault or not, but I have to manually CTRL+ALT+F7 to get to the menu itself
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| 13:11 | it's on a blank TTY otherwise
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> Lns: try adding this to the top:
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| 13:12 | #
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| 13:12 | # Get the lts.conf entries, and assign them to shell
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| 13:12 | # variables.
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| 13:12 | #
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| 13:12 | if [ "True" != "$LTSP_CONFIG" ]; then
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| 13:12 | . /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config
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| 13:12 | fi
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| 13:13 | * Gadi notices that he does not have that | |
| 13:13 | <Lns> k
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| 13:14 | <johnny> you guys sure keep going back and forth when it comes to dealing with sourcing ltsp_config and the common functions
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| 13:30 | <Lns> is there a reason NOT to source LTSP_CONFIG ? is it possible to simply always source it with everything that's executed?
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| 13:31 | <Lns> err, well maybe that's a dumb question haha
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| 13:33 | <Lns> Gadi: still no love.. also I see (need to look though) that the ssh script doesn't work ootb - When I enter my username I get 3 "Permission denied" errors and then it locks at "please wait..."
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| 13:35 | hmm, SSH_ARGS don't specify a hostname, so maybe when executing via 'ssh ${SSH_ARGS} it just craps out?
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| 13:36 | or ssh line just forgot to put in SSH_HOST after SSH_ARGS
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| 13:37 | <Lns> oh nm
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| 13:53 | <Lns> I don't get it, i echoed $SSH_ARGS in the script, and it looks fine.. I don't get an ssh password request, just 3 permission denied errors, as if it's giving a blank password 3 times and not prompting me for it
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> is the server configured to allow passwords?
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| 13:58 | i.e. keys only?
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| 13:58 | * vagrantc is assuming this is LDM related | |
| 13:58 | <Lns> vagrantc: no, this is gadi's ssh screen script
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| 13:59 | and nope, i can log in from my chroot to the server fine w/same args
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 13:59 | <Lns> weird, wild stuff... haha
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> perhaps stdin/stdout are not working correctly?
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| 14:00 | sometimes you get weird issues with terminal settings
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| 14:00 | and ssh does weird things...
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| 14:01 | <Lns> i notice the "chvt ${TTY}" line (from the telnet script) in there, though there's no $TTY var
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| 14:02 | <Lns> i wouldn't think that could cause the ssh line to crap out though
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| 14:02 | vagrantc: stdin/stdout troubleshooting is over my head :)
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> oh it sure will... ssh is very fussy about how it handles your passwords.
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| 14:03 | and for good reason... it being... passwords and all.
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| 14:04 | <Lns> vagrantc: you think i should comment out the chvt line and see?
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| 14:04 | <vagrantc> not sure how to troubleshoot it ... but it's something to look into
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| 14:06 | <Lns> stupid q, but what are the { } for in ${VAR} ? Does it have to do w/parm expansion?
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> it helps with whitespace in values, i know that much
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| 14:10 | <Lns> gotcha
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> echo $variabletext doesn't work as "expected", but echo ${variable}text does. So {} are used for separating variables from text...
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| 14:33 | <vbundi> I'm getting a bunch of mount messages when booting thin clients as opposed to my VM thin client
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| 14:34 | VM one is good and fast, the "real" thin clients are giving mount messages, they DO boot, but it takes a while
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| 14:34 | I'm using an HP T5700 client (800mhz 512MB ram)
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| 14:43 | <Lns> alkisg: ah, so it's kind of a definitive separator for the variable and any trailing text whether or not there's any whitespace
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| 14:43 | <knipwim> johnny: you there?
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> Lns, yup, it's not related to whitespace afaik.
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| 14:43 | <Lns> gotcha =) thx!
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| 14:43 | <alkisg> Just functions as a grammatical separator
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| 14:44 | Arghhh today's updates for Lucid weren't kind to me... I keep getting xorg and/or kernel crashes :(
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| 14:44 | <johnny> knipwim, sup?
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| 14:45 | * alkisg looks on how to downgrade a package from the console... | |
| 14:45 | <knipwim> johnny: can you explain the post_unpack_stage_tarball function in the quickstart profile?
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| 14:46 | specifically why the LOCALE is checked, but not used if /etc/env.d/02locale exists
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| 14:46 | <johnny> because we are just going to copy it over iirc
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| 14:46 | <dro> vbundi: how long?
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| 14:47 | <johnny> there is no definitive place to put those vars in gentoo last time i looked
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| 14:48 | <knipwim> /etc/env.d/02locale is the right place, and locale.gen
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| 14:48 | <johnny> the goal is to pass a locale if we got one
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| 14:48 | <knipwim> but wouldn't you copy it only if LOCALE is not set?
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| 14:48 | and the source file exitsts of course
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| 14:48 | <johnny> no, if it's set, we want to add it
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| 14:48 | <knipwim> and override the custom setting?
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| 14:49 | if it's there?
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| 14:49 | <johnny> no.. we should be adding the custom setting :)
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| 14:49 | that was the goal anyways.. i never tested it..
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| 14:50 | <knipwim> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/annotate/head%3A/server/configs/quickstart/profile.qs
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| 14:52 | <johnny> we should probably move most of the stuff outside of the if
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| 14:52 | err move the copying of the files outside the if
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| 14:53 | <knipwim> yes, that was my idea
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| 14:53 | <johnny> sure.. go ahead with that
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| 14:54 | <vbundi> dro: around 3 or 4 minutes
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| 14:55 | <dro> vbundi: how long did they take with ltsp4
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| 14:55 | <vbundi> dro: around 1 min
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| 14:56 | <dro> vbundi: is there one part of the boot process that seems to hang?
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| 14:57 | <knipwim> johnny: you want to check it before committing?
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| 14:58 | <vbundi> dro: yeah I get some mount messages and it sits there
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| 14:58 | dro: err, I get the xsplash screen for a few seconds, and then it goes back to the console where it sits at the mount messages until it boots
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| 14:58 | <dro> vbundi: sorry can't help you with that
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| 14:58 | vbundi: how much ram do they have?
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| 14:59 | <vbundi> dro: the HP ones have 512, they go from the mount messages to saying Starting LTSP client or something along those lines
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| 14:59 | dro: they hang @ that point for about half the time I guess
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> vbundi: it often helps to remove "quiet splash" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 15:02 | vbundi: so you can see where it hangs exactly
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| 15:03 | <vbundi> Gadi: thankyou I've been trying to find where that was... I did it yesterday on my old system but couldn't find the same info today
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| 15:17 | <knipwim> johnny: i was looking at the function because of the locale.gen
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| 15:18 | the gentoo stage only offers an empty one
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| 15:18 | and locale-gen goes on the create all the 400+ locales in the install
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| 15:19 | and i was thinking of adding the locales to locale.gen based on the LOCALE if it exists
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| 15:29 | <johnny> sure.. whatever yo uthink is good
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| 15:29 | local could be a space seperated list
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| 15:29 | locale*
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| 15:29 | as long as i don't get them all :)
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| 15:30 | <ball> CAN-o-SPAM: I just had an impromptu meeting with our director. He seems keen on the LTSP route, in part because we get to use our existing PCs as terminals, until they die or we can afford to replace them.
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| 15:30 | ...now all I have to do is figure out what we're going to use for servers.
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| 15:31 | <CAN-o-SPAM> ball: thats great ... +1 for LTSP again! :)
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| 15:31 | * ball nods | |
| 15:32 | <vagrantc> and with recent versions of ltsp... the options get even more confusing... if your clients are powerful enough, you can run some apps locally... or all apps locally... or none of them locally.
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| 15:33 | localapps or fatclients can really decrease the need for bad-ass servers.
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| 15:33 | <Lns> or fatclients with remote apps
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| 15:34 | <alkisg> And on LTSP version 15, we'll even be able to run openoffice on PC1, firefox on PC2, and evolution on whatever PC has the lowest CPU usage currently... :P
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| 15:34 | <Lns> alkisg: client load balancing?
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> Yup, LTSP fog :D
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| 15:35 | <CAN-o-SPAM> alkisg: can i get the roadmap to LTSP v15 :-P ?
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| 15:35 | <Lns> OR, you could use all of the clients in a cluster, acting as the server as well.
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| 15:35 | I think that's due in v20
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| 15:36 | * alkisg reboots to try downgrading the xserver-xorg-core package on the live ubuntu cd to finally get to install it... | |
| 15:36 | <CAN-o-SPAM> good thing were over the v5 hump :)
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| 15:36 | Lns: have a chance to peak at scale?
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| 15:37 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: I did...it's seriously only $10 to get in??
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| 15:38 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: umm i have to admit i have no idea what the cost to attend is, lol
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| 15:38 | <Lns> https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/reg7/
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| 15:38 | <CAN-o-SPAM> but sure? heh ... i'd have to check
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| 15:38 | <Lns> well that's a big difference than most OSS expos/conferences, which are usually in the thousands, lol
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| 15:38 | <akuepker> $70 for a 3 day expo ain't bad.
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| 15:38 | <CAN-o-SPAM> so the $10 tickets are for seperate areas
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| 15:39 | you'd probably want the $70 ticket
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| 15:39 | and there is plenty of great talks
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| 15:39 | <Lns> awesome
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| 15:39 | <CAN-o-SPAM> you can grab a discounted room at the LAX Marriott from SCALE
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| 15:40 | <Lns> I'm definitely considering it! Sounds like the place to be
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| 15:40 | <CAN-o-SPAM> if you want to go cheaper on the room, that Marriott is in the airport, so going to another location would be better maybe
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| 15:40 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: you have a booth over there or something?
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| 15:40 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: we are sponsoring registration thin clients & an e-mail garden (all still TBD exactly), as well as giving 3 different talks
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| 15:41 | check "Events" link on disklessworkstations.com
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| 15:41 | <Lns> nice, "e-mail garden" hehe
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| 15:42 | <dro> CAN-o-SPAM: what event is this?
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| 15:42 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: i like to call it the garden of ltsp fruitfulness, but for general attendees they go with email garden :-P
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| 15:42 | dro: Scale 8x ... http://www.socallinuxexpo.org
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| 15:42 | <dro> oh cool
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| 15:43 | damn boss wouldn't send to me BTS
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| 15:43 | <CAN-o-SPAM> dro: shoot for scale then? ;)
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| 15:43 | dro or LTSP Boot Camp! There ya go
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| 15:43 | <dro> there is a ltsp boot camp?
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| 15:43 | my boss might go for: Open Source Software in Education Ticket
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| 15:43 | <CAN-o-SPAM> http://www.DisklessWorkstations.com/ltspBootCamp.html
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| 15:44 | <dro> CAN-o-SPAM: hmmmm
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| 15:44 | <CAN-o-SPAM> dro i believe you may be guilty of not following up with LTSP-Discuss :-P
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| 15:45 | <dro> CAN-o-SPAM: i am guilty of not following up with that
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| 15:45 | i'm going to sign up now
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| 15:45 | i can't help it
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| 15:45 | i'm addicted to working too much
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| 15:46 | <CAN-o-SPAM> thats ok, your not the only one i've heard that from ...
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| 15:46 | <dro> CAN-o-SPAM: lots of ideas and questions branch from ltsp-discuss?
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| 15:46 | i know i was on some form of a ltsp mailing list
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| 15:46 | <CAN-o-SPAM> dro: sometimes yes, sometimes no
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| 15:47 | <dro> should i choose to receive digests?
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| 15:47 | <Lns> dro: ltsp-discuss and ltsp-developer
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| 15:47 | <dro> i've always chose no
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| 15:47 | <CAN-o-SPAM> dro: thats up to you, sometimes it cant be quiet to the tune of hearing a pin drop
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| 15:48 | <CAN-o-SPAM> other days maybe 10 - 30 emails
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| 15:49 | <sbalneav> Digests are only good only if you intend ONLY to read, NEVER to take part in a thread.
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| 15:49 | Otherwise, just subscribe normally.
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| 15:50 | * Lns loves imap folders & msg filters | |
| 15:50 | <dro> sbalneav: ty
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| 15:50 | i signed up for both
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| 15:50 | i'm sure my fiance will hate you
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| 15:50 | that will be another 15-20 minutes a day i don't sleep lol
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| 15:51 | <CAN-o-SPAM> The LTSP Team takes no responsibility for lack of sleep or other problems which may develop from engulfing yourself in our community. Read & Write At Your Own Risk :)
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| 15:51 | <dro> :P
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| 15:52 | <Lns> too true =)
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| 15:54 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: let me know if you decide to go so we can plan a time to meet up
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| 15:54 | <Lns> CAN-o-SPAM: ok =)
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| 15:55 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: of course, i'm clearly pushing for you to go
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| 15:55 | heh
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| 15:55 | <Lns> of course! Well I don't go on many bus. trips, besides the 5min. commute to my office every day...I think it's way overdue to do some mingling, haha
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| 15:56 | <dro> have a good evneing guys
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| 15:56 | <sbalneav> dro: I'm subscribed to about 35 mailing lists
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| 15:56 | <CAN-o-SPAM> cya dro
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| 15:56 | <sbalneav> I receive, on average, about 800 emails a day :)
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| 15:56 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: any snow up there or are they stealing it all for the olympics?
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| 15:57 | <sbalneav> CAN-o-SPAM: Cripes. Frigging buckets of it.
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| 15:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> i have an email account that maintains 5000+ unreads ... it's gross
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| 15:57 | did you hear whats happening over in whistler? they need more!
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| 15:57 | <Lns> right-click, "Mark Folder Read" ;)
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| 15:57 | <sbalneav> They can come out to Manitoba and have some of mine.
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| 15:57 | <CAN-o-SPAM> i was going to package some up in a chroot and boot it over there (no pun intended) ;)
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| 15:59 | <sbalneav> Lns: I use mutt.
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| 15:59 | <Gadi> Lns: sorry - got caught up in other things - what distro were you testing the ssh stuff on?
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| 16:00 | <sbalneav> The One True Mail User Agent
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| 16:00 | <Lns> sbalneav: hehe, I used to use pine.. I'm admittedly too scared to try mutt for anything more than tinkering, but i do have imap so i guess it wouldn't hurt anything =)
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| 16:01 | I've fallen in love with Thunderbird back when it was Netscape Mail though
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| 16:01 | <sbalneav> irssi for irc, mutt for mail, procmail for filtering. Guis? What are they?
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| 16:01 | <Lns> Gadi: ubu 8.04 ;)
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| 16:01 | <ball> sbalneav: Need X for xneko though.
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| 16:01 | <Gadi> Lns: are you still in a testing mood?
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| 16:01 | <Lns> Gadi: sure
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| 16:02 | Gadi: i replaced the /usr/share dir in the ssh script btw
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| 16:02 | <Gadi> can you: echo ${TTY} >/tmp/debug
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| 16:02 | in that file
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| 16:02 | and then check the value
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| 16:02 | from a shell
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> heh, here I am with all this amazing graphical power
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| 16:03 | I got 14 gnome-terminals loaded, one Epiphany window :)
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| 16:03 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 16:03 | * Gadi thinks he should have kept all that old weird TTY code from the telnet script :P | |
| 16:03 | <Lns> Gadi: nothing in there =)
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| 16:03 | <Gadi> grr...
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| 16:03 | can you copy the necessary TTY code from the telnet script?
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| 16:04 | :)
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| 16:04 | <Lns> sbalneav: that's what x is for..multiple terminal windows =)
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| 16:04 | Gadi: sure
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| 16:04 | <sbalneav> Lns: My sentiments exactly
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| 16:04 | * Gadi thinks in newer versions, we figure out TTY in ltsp_Config | |
| 16:04 | <Gadi> or somewhere else
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| 16:05 | <sbalneav> I still use rtin to read usenet
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| 16:06 | <Lns> but the news said usenet was dead! =p
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| 16:06 | <CAN-o-SPAM> heh
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| 16:07 | <Lns> brb, gonna go grab a sandwich across the street - gadi, image is rebuilding
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| 16:07 | <sbalneav> Reports of usenets demise have been greatly exaggerated
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| 16:16 | <CAN-o-SPAM> have a nice evening everyone
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| 16:20 | <Lns> I love the media's general conception of the internet...if BigISP ditches their usenet services...usenet is GONE!
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| 16:27 | <Lns> Gadi: still no go, but this time the term seemed a bit "nicer" (chars weren't off to the left, I'm thinking the tty code worked at least).. but still, have to c+a+f7, and ssh denies me thrice after entering in username
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| 16:29 | <Gadi> Lns: can I see the script you have atm?
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| 16:30 | * Gadi thinks we may need to call: ssh .... <${TTY} | |
| 16:30 | <Lns> sure
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| 16:30 | <Gadi> see, we have gone back and forth between calling the sessions with openvt and without
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| 16:30 | <Lns> hmm, no more ltsp pastebot?
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| 16:30 | <Gadi> depending on how u call it, u may not be attached to the tty
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| 16:32 | <Lns> Gadi: http://pastebin.com/d5be3941
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| 16:33 | <Gadi> duh
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| 16:33 | ok, I did a few silly things there
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| 16:34 | but, first can you add the echo ${TTY} > /tmp/debug
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| 16:34 | and change USER to SSH_USER
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| 16:34 | USER is a horrible thing for me to use
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| 16:34 | :P
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| 16:34 | <Lns> oh..haha
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| 16:35 | ok
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| 16:35 | rebuilding
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| 16:43 | <Lns> Gadi: same outcome
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| 16:43 | lemme check tty
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| 16:44 | /tmp/debug: tty7
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| 16:44 | i think we gotta strip tty out for chvt
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| 16:44 | <Gadi> ah, right you are
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| 16:45 | * Lns wonders how it worked for telnet script... | |
| 16:45 | <Gadi> chvt ${TTY##tty}
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| 16:45 | I think
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| 16:45 | lemme check
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| 16:45 | cool
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| 16:45 | got it in one
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| 16:45 | well, one of many
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| 16:45 | :)
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| 16:45 | <Lns> hehe
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| 16:45 | <Gadi> ok, so that takes care of that
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| 16:46 | <Lns> so replace it w/ ^^ ?
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| 16:46 | <Gadi> now, we probably need at the end of the ssh line: < ${TTY}
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| 16:46 | <Lns> ok
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| 16:47 | <Gadi> http://pastebin.com/m4e2601e8
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| 16:47 | something like that
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| 16:47 | <Lns> k
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| 16:47 | rebuilding
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| 16:50 | <Gadi> oh, wait
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| 16:50 | that wont work
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| 16:51 | it needs to </dev/${TTY}
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| 16:51 | sorry
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| 16:51 | <Lns> oops, ok
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| 16:51 | =)
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| 16:52 | hmmmm
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| 16:52 | * Lns wonders, as his -update-image runs for ~2min each time..is there a way to find out what bits have changed in the filesystem and only update the image that way? kinda like what rsync does for files? | |
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| 17:00 | <Lns> Gadi: nogo
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| 17:05 | <stgraber> Gadi: hey, playing at home with a Symbio thin client !
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| 17:07 | <Gadi> stgraber: what you play with in your own home is your own business ;)
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| 17:08 | <Gadi> tho, Canada may have different rules
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| 17:08 | <Lns> oh no, here we go
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| 17:08 | <Gadi> Lns: the problem is almost definitely that it is detached from the tty
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| 17:09 | <Lns> Gadi: how come it fails 3x when the ssh line isn't in a loop?
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| 17:09 | <Gadi> Lns: ssh by default prompt three times for a password
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| 17:09 | <Lns> right
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| 17:10 | <Gadi> did it take the Username line properly?
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| 17:11 | <Lns> it asked me, yeah - put in my ltsp server username, that's when it gives me "Permission denied" 3 times
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| 17:11 | after about 3 seconds of delay
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| 17:11 | hmm
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| 17:11 | 3 seconds... it couldn't have anything to do w/host keys ?
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| 17:12 | and/or name resolution?
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| 17:13 | <Gadi> Lns: let's add a line right before the ssh command
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| 17:13 | that says: echo "Executing: ssh ${SSH_ARGS} ... "
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| 17:13 | <Lns> k
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| 17:13 | <Gadi> make sure it gets your SSH_USER
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| 17:14 | <Lns> well, i did that actually a while ago,...but yeah it was just ssh_args w/user (but it was correct, 192.168.3.10 -l jerickson)
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| 17:14 | i'll do it again thou
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| 17:15 | greets ogra
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| 17:15 | * ogra waves | |
| 17:19 | <Lns> Gadi: I feel confident - wanda the fish tells me, "You will have good luck and overcome many hardships."
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| 17:19 | ;)
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| 17:19 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 17:19 | wanda...
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| 17:19 | * Gadi wonders if 8.04 used openvt | |
| 17:19 | <Gadi> in screen-session
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| 17:25 | <Lns> Gadi: "Executing ssh 192.168.3.10 jerickson ... "
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| 17:25 | looks good to me
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| 17:25 | err
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| 17:25 | <Gadi> no -l?
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| 17:25 | <Lns> sorry, my typo .. -l
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| 17:25 | no that was in there
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| 17:25 | Gadi: "Executing ssh 192.168.3.10 -l jerickson ... "
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| 17:26 | Gadi: have you tested the script on your side too?
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| 17:29 | <Gadi> Lns: I gotta run... maybe we can pick this up 2moro
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| 17:29 | <Lns> Gadi: no prob. =) thanks for the help!
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| 18:58 | <Ahmuck> i've got a strange problem
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| 18:58 | the thin client boots, and the login screen is correct, but upon logging in, the letters are all upside down
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| 18:58 | as well as the icons
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| 19:02 | <vagrantc> someone playing tricks with xrandr :)
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| 19:02 | <Lns> hehehe
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| 19:03 | <Ahmuck> ?
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| 19:05 | <Ahmuck> i'm logged in one place and this is the second log in
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| 19:06 | let me log out. it appears xrandr is limted to one screen ?
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| 19:14 | <Ahmuck> it's specific to one monitor.
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| 19:15 | the problem is, it was working correctly ealier today
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| 19:15 | <sbalneav> I beleive that's been traced down to a bug in a video driver
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| 19:15 | gone
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| 19:16 | <ogra> vagrantc, hey, i just called you
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| 19:17 | <vagrantc> on my home phone?
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| 19:18 | <ogra> well, on the one number i have :)
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| 19:18 | <vagrantc> yup
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| 19:18 | * Lns waves to all a good night | |
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| 19:20 | <sbalneav> I'm smelling a beer meetup in the works
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| 19:20 | :)
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| 19:21 | <Ahmuck> any ideas?
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| 19:22 | <sbalneav> I beleive that's been traced down to a bug in a video driver
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| 19:23 | what video card is in this unit?
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| 19:24 | <Ahmuck> the server or the thin client?
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| 19:24 | <sbalneav> Well, it's not the server that's having the upside down problem, right?
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| 19:25 | Or is it both?
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| 19:25 | <Ahmuck> ok ok
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| 19:25 | lemme check the thin client
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| 19:25 | not the monitor?
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| 19:25 | <sbalneav> I'm jut asking, I dunno, I came into the convo late
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| 19:26 | <sbalneav> Well, from what I understand, it's the driver that reports the current orientation of the monitor incorrectly, so ltsp tries to "flip" it to fix it
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| 19:26 | I beleive there was a thread on this in ltsp discuss
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| 19:28 | <sbalneav> Ahmuck: have you turned off/nuked from orbit compiz?
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| 19:29 | the compiz checks have been known to trigger it as well.
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| 19:34 | Ahmuck: still there?
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| 19:36 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/441586
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| 19:36 | disable compiz
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| 19:38 | <sbalneav> Ahmuck-Sr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/441586
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| 19:38 | disable compiz
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| 19:38 | !sbalneav-compiz
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| 19:38 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "sbalneav-compiz" is not a valid command.
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| 19:39 | <sbalneav> !topics
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| 19:39 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "topics" :: To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 19:39 | <sbalneav> factoids search --values
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| 19:39 | !factoids search --values
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| 19:39 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: 'ltsp', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'debian', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', 'troubleshooting', 'sbnet', 'paavum', 'bbq', 'guaraldo', 'nx', 'localdev', 'localdev', (2 more messages)
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| 19:40 | <sbalneav> argh, what did we call that joke one?
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| 19:40 | <sbalneav> !compiz
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| 19:40 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: Error: "compiz" is not a valid command.
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| 19:45 | <Ahmuck> ping
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| 19:45 | interesting
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| 19:45 | <sbalneav> there
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| 19:45 | !disable-compiz
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| 19:45 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "disable-compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 19:45 | <Ahmuck> 02:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (Secondary) (rev 01)
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| 19:45 | <sbalneav> or
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| 19:46 | !disable-compiz-the-sbalneav-way
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| 19:46 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "disable-compiz-the-sbalneav-way" :: apt-get purge compiz && remove-from-upstream-repo compiz && target-icbm-on-upstream-hosting-service compiz
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| 19:46 | <Ahmuck> lol
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| 19:46 | <sbalneav> You need to disable compiz
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| 19:46 | <Ahmuck> well, compiz can be disable easliy. is this per user or server based?
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| 19:47 | it's really a matter of un-installing it
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| 19:47 | <sbalneav> both methods are server wide :)
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| 19:47 | I prefer the uninstall method myself.
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| 19:47 | <Ahmuck> has anybody determined if it affects user by user or if it effects server wide?
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| 19:48 | <sbalneav> I think it affects server wide, intermittantly\
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| 19:48 | unless the users disabled compiz themselves
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| 19:48 | kid's back from muzic
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| 19:48 | bb in a bit
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| 20:19 | <sbalneav> Back
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| 23:17 | <FuriousGeorge> hey all
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| 23:17 | any reason a user shouldn't log in directly at the server, or should all my users be on their own clients?
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| 23:32 | <sbalneav> My servers all tend to be in back rooms, so the user's cant log in on 'em.
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| 23:37 | <Sarten-X> My servers all tend to be surrounded by electrified barbed wire, so the users can't survive logging in.
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| 23:39 | <sbalneav> Ooooh
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| 23:39 | I like your setup better.
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| 23:42 | <sbalneav> Nite all
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| 23:54 | <FuriousGeorge> sbalneav: Sarten-X: LOL
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| 23:54 | server used to be in back room, now its close enough to a desk with no station that client is asking me if i can make it a workstation also
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| 23:54 | i would need to by an extension for kb, mouse, vga but i could not see why it was such a terrible idea
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| 23:55 | they will be logged in as a user, and they don't have physical access to the server
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