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Channel log from 9 May 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:10 | <vagrantc> warren: ltsp-trunk 720 seems like a more complicated way of accomplishing the same thing ...
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| 00:11 | before, the default was set, and the configuration file overrides it ... now the configuration file is read, and then if not already set, it sets the default...
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| 00:12 | <lns> vagrantc, you say tomato... =p
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| 00:12 | <vagrantc> unless there's some other issue i'm not aware of...
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| 00:12 | lns: yes, but it's actually more complicated
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| 00:12 | <lns> i know
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| 00:12 | that just popped into my head ;)
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| 00:12 | <vagrantc> not a *lot* more complicated ...
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| 00:13 | but i'm curious why it was needed
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| 00:13 | <lns> which config file? lts.conf ?
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| 00:13 | <vagrantc> no, nbdswapd.conf
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| 00:13 | <lns> ah
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| 00:13 | wasn't aware that had its own config file ;)
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| 00:14 | * lns isn't as cool as the coders in #ltsp | |
| 00:14 | <vagrantc> many of the scripts check for a config file, but one isn't included by default
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| 00:14 | <lns> well I SURE wasn't notified of this.. hahaha =p
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| 00:14 | did you get that memo?
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| 00:16 | * vagrantc is happy that freegeek will be hosting the LTSP hackfest in july :) | |
| 00:17 | <lns> woo!
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| 00:18 | <johnny> what day ?
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| 00:18 | <sutula> vagrantc: I haven't kept up...does the version of ltsp-server in etch-backports (5.1.3-1~40.etch.0) have any auto-login capability these days?
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| 00:18 | <johnny> my gf might be out there for a conference around the 18...
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| 00:18 | <vagrantc> sutula: the version of ldm in etch-backports does support autologin, yes.
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| 00:19 | sutula: LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true
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| 00:19 | sutula: and if your username/password matches the hostname of the ltsp-client, then that's all you need to set.
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| 00:20 | sutula: otherwise, LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD or set up ssh keys
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| 00:20 | <sutula> vagrantc: OK...great. I'll try it.
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| 00:20 | <vagrantc> johnny: 25th-28th or so
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| 00:21 | johnny: some folks might be around earlier than that for oscon
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| 00:22 | <johnny> i wonder if i can somehow stay that long.
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| 00:22 | <vagrantc> sutula: the backports are totally caught up with lenny ... no major new features, other than some additional languages for ldm
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| 00:22 | sutula: no major new features in sid, that is
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| 00:23 | johnny: would be good to meet you and show you around freegek :)
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| 00:23 | <johnny> i agree
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| 00:23 | gf is going to seattle
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| 00:24 | if i can somehow make it to portland and stay really cheap somehow...
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| 00:24 | <vagrantc> i've offered to find couches and beds for folks
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| 00:24 | <johnny> HOPE in NYC is around the same time too.. :)
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| 00:24 | but for how long? :)
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| 00:24 | <sutula> vagrantc: Thanks for all your work on that...much appreciated
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| 00:25 | <johnny> it would be a lil over a weak
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| 00:25 | week*
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| 00:25 | for who knows what gains for ltsp :)
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| 00:26 | <vagrantc> johnny: HOPE ?
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| 00:27 | <johnny> hackers on planet earth
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| 00:27 | good excuse to be in NYC
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| 04:07 | <bigos222> hello. where can i find debian etch amd64 LTSP-5.0 repository
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| 04:57 | <bigos222> help! ltsp working too slow. a lot of network traffic and very very slow desktop. please help me!!! :)
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| 09:35 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:36 | <rjune> !s
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| 09:36 | <ltspbot`> rjune: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:37 | <sbalneav> Hey rjune
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| 09:37 | <Q-FUNK> !s
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| 09:37 | <ltspbot`> Q-FUNK: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:37 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: glad to have you back. how's life?
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| 09:37 | * laga wonders.. | |
| 09:37 | <laga> !l
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| 09:37 | <ltspbot`> laga: Error: "l" is not a valid command.
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| 09:38 | <laga> hum. ;)
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| 09:38 | <rjune> laga: don't feel bad, !r doesn't work either
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| 09:38 | !j
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| 09:38 | <ltspbot`> rjune: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
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| 09:38 | <rjune> nor does !j
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| 09:38 | <sbalneav> Q-FUNK: Well, still dealing with the fallout of my wife's difficulties
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| 09:38 | <laga> rjune: too bad.
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| 09:38 | <sbalneav> Slowly getting better.
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| 09:39 | <Q-FUNK> !q
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| 09:39 | <ltspbot`> Q-FUNK: Error: "q" is not a valid command.
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| 09:39 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: coming to UDS in Prague?
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> ltspbot`: learn q as Q-FUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:39 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> !q
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| 09:39 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "q" is Q-FUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> simple as that.
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| 09:40 | <sbalneav> No, I did sweet bugger all this go-round, so I'll try and pick up the threads from here, see if I can make a contribution to i*
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| 09:41 | I updates the glibc re-write to ldm, and posted that yesterday.
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| 09:41 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: if you want to flash your dbe61a collection to the latest PXE bios, that can be done too.
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| 09:41 | <sbalneav> Want to talk to vagrant about it, and get my butt in gear for localapps too.
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| 09:41 | <Q-FUNK> the tools for that are in Hardy
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| 09:42 | <ogra> sbalneav, lets attack that in portland ;)
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| 09:42 | <sbalneav> ogra: You gonna be there?
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| 09:42 | <ogra> i heard you plan to come :)
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| 09:42 | <sbalneav> Ticket's bought.
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| 09:42 | I'm there.
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| 09:42 | <Q-FUNK> say, any chance of doing any of those meeting north of the border?
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| 09:42 | <ogra> i didnt get final approval yet, but with 80% i'll be there
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| 09:42 | <sbalneav> cool.
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| 09:43 | I've really let everyone down, and I feel like sh*t. But my personal life's been like crap for a while now, and it's just been too busy to make a contribution.
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| 09:43 | Hopefully I can redeem myself :)
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| 09:44 | anywho
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| 09:44 | If someone (other than me) would be willing to test the ldm-glibc branch I put up yesterday, that'd be great.
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| 09:45 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: don't midn that. I was more worried about wether something horrible might have happened to you.
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| 09:45 | <sbalneav> I've been running a (slightly) older version of it here at legalaid for a bit, and it seems to work.
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| 09:45 | Q-FUNK: Me, no. My wife, yes.
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| 09:46 | <rjune> lsmod | grep ^ip_conntrack | sed 's/\[(.*)\].*/$1/g' <-- what am I doing wrong here?
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| 09:47 | <sbalneav> rjune: looks like finding out what modules are depending on ip_conntrack
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| 09:47 | <rjune> that's what I want
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| 09:47 | <sbalneav> 2 seconds
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| 09:48 | IMHO, awk works better for that.
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| 09:48 | <rjune> it spits out the entire line
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| 09:48 | I'm not as familiar with awk
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| 09:48 | I can grab the column X
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| 09:48 | <sbalneav> lsmod | grep ^usbcore | awk '{print $4}'
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| 09:49 | <rjune> lsmod | grep ^libata | awk '{print $4}'
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| 09:49 | awk falls apart there.
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| 09:49 | I went with awk first, found I didn't know enough about it to do what I wanted, thought I knew regex well enough, and failed.
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> sbalneav@feniks:~$ lsmod | grep ^libata | awk '{print $4}'
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| 09:49 | ahci,ata_generic,ata_piix
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| 09:49 | <rjune> but my regex Looks right.
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| 09:50 | <sbalneav> Isn't that what you want?
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| 09:50 | <rjune> ip_tables 13440 4 [iptable_nat iptable_filter] <-- I'm using an older kernel
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| 09:50 | it is, if I had ',' seperators awk would be fine.
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| 09:50 | <itais> ogra: when you did the localapps proof of concept, you ran firefox, didn't you?
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| 09:50 | <sbalneav> You want to ditch the [' and ]?
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| 09:50 | <laga> rjune: maybe it'll be easier to use /proc/modules and maybe cut
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| 09:51 | <ogra> itais, sbalneav did that
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> lsmod | grep ^usbcore | awk '{print $4}' | tr -d '[]'
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| 09:51 | <itais> ah, good, so sbalneav: did you ran firefox as a localapp?
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> itais: yup
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| 09:51 | <ogra> itais, meet the father of our localapps implementation ;)
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> Did it get implemented?
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| 09:51 | * itais is glad of meeting him | |
| 09:52 | <itais> I'm fighting with it, and have a problem with firefox
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| 09:52 | <rjune> sbalneav: I do want to ditch the [ and ]
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| 09:52 | <itais> I use sshfs to mount the user home, and extensions do not work on sshfs
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| 09:52 | <sbalneav> Which extentions?
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| 09:52 | <ogra> itais, sshfs has no ststfs implementation
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| 09:52 | <itais> so, I wonder if you found a workaround or you just didn't notice it as you ran it in enblish
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| 09:52 | <rjune> sbalneav: assume this line as output from lsmod | grep 'ip_tables 13440 4 [iptable_nat iptable_filter]'
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| 09:52 | <itais> english
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| 09:53 | <ogra> itais, i bet they try to determine the free space
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| 09:53 | <rjune> so echo 'ip_tables 13440 4 [iptable_nat iptable_filter]'| awk '{print $4}'
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| 09:53 | <itais> sbalneav: any extension, but I noticed it as spanish translation didn't work
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| 09:53 | <rjune> only grabs the iptable_nat, not the full module list
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| 09:54 | <itais> ogra: maybe, but I think is some locking try that fails, so firefox deletes the extensions.ini file and is not able to regenerate it
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| 09:54 | <sbalneav> rjune: ah, I see, doesn't use comma seps
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| 09:54 | ok
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| 09:54 | I'll debug the sed, then.
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| 09:55 | <itais> sbalneav: so that's my question? did you have that problem with firefox and fixed it, or didn't you notice it and it's still there?
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| 09:55 | <sbalneav> itais: I'm still not sure what you mean by "extention". A firefox extention? I ran firefox with flash, and that's what I got working.
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| 09:56 | <itais> s/extention/extension
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| 09:56 | yeah, flash works, plugins work
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| 09:56 | but no extension works, so translations don't work
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| 09:57 | <sbalneav> Like I say, I'm not sure what you mean by extention.
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| 09:57 | This something you install under firefox?
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| 09:58 | If so, if it's not in the user's home directory, it may need to be installed in the chroot for firefox to pick it up.
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| 09:58 | <itais> ups sorry, extension is the spanish word for add-on :-X
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> is the addon installed in the users home dir? Or somewhere else on the server?
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| 09:59 | Also, if it depends on a socket in the user
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| 09:59 | <itais> even if they're installed on /usr/../chrome, whenever firefox starts, check them and regenerates the extensions.ini at the user profile dir
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> 's home dir, that may be a problem.
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| 10:00 | I don't think sshfs handles sockets.
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| 10:00 | <itais> it doesn't matter where they're installed. The problem is that firefox deletes the "extensions.ini" file and is not able to regenerate it, so firefox does not recognize any addon
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| 10:01 | <sbalneav> ok, does firefox give any messages on the text console?
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| 10:01 | <itais> so, my localapps implementation is mostly useful, as firefox is the main reason to use localapps
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| 10:01 | not, firefox is a blackbox
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| 10:01 | s/useful/useless
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| 10:02 | <sbalneav> Well, I'm willing to wager that the unimplemented statfs call's going to be the problem
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| 10:02 | Which we figured we'd have to implement as a shim
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| 10:03 | <itais> a shim?
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| 10:03 | <sbalneav> We sort of envisioned anoither fuse filesystem mounted on top of sshfs
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| 10:04 | that handled the statfs call
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| 10:04 | <itais> otoh, I thought of switching to epiphany, but I crashed against the dbus problem
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| 10:05 | <laga> can't you implement statfs in sshfs?
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| 10:06 | <sbalneav> laga: Yeah, you could do it eitherway, but it'd have to be a locally maintained patch
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| 10:06 | <laga> is upstream against supporting sshfs?
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| 10:06 | <sbalneav> miklos has stated that until sftp has a way to find out remote filesstem info, he won't eaccept a "hack" to sshfs
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| 10:06 | <laga> doh.
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| 10:08 | <laga> i wonder if the fish:// ioslave for kde could support something like that. it uses scp.
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| 10:08 | <itais> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.fuse.sshfs/662
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| 10:09 | <Gadi> moquist has a shim for statfs over sshfs
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| 10:09 | iirc
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| 10:09 | <sbalneav> hey gadi
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| 10:09 | <itais> Gadi: is there any info somewhere?
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| 10:10 | * Gadi waves at sblaneav | |
| 10:10 | <Gadi> itais: good question - not sure if moquist posted it somewhere
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| 10:10 | he worked on it in November in Maine
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| 10:10 | if he ever comes up for air, maybe he can tell us
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| 10:11 | <rjune> !g
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| 10:11 | <ltspbot`> rjune: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:11 | <rjune> sbalneav: got it, I needed more '\'
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| 10:12 | <sbalneav> If not, it'd be easy to reimplement
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| 10:12 | Gadi: Could you try out the ldm-glibc rewrite I posted?
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| 10:12 | <moquist> itais: I sent it to sbalneav, but I could/should probably do something else with it, too.
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| 10:12 | sbalneav: I sent it to you. ;)
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| 10:13 | <sbalneav> moquist: Can you re-send? I've lost it :)
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| 10:13 | * moquist chuckles and finds those old emails | |
| 10:13 | <sbalneav> my mind, my will to live, and moquist's code. :)
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| 10:13 | <itais> moquist: please, could you add jredrejo at-no-spam edu.juntaextremadura.net to the cc of that mail ;-)?
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| 10:13 | <moquist> itais: if you PM me your email address, I'll bcc you...you're too fast for me. :)
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| 10:14 | <Gadi> sorry -- stepped awa y for a sec -
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| 10:14 | first: rjune!!!!
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| 10:14 | <itais> moquist: is right above your last comment ;-)
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> second: sbalneav - is it a patch for hardy in particular? /me is not up to hardy as yet
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> No, it's a branch of ldm-trunk, as of two days ago.
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| 10:15 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 10:15 | I have a prod release at the end of this month
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| 10:16 | so its a bit crazy
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| 10:16 | <sbalneav> NP
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| 10:16 | <Gadi> but, I will try
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| 10:16 | what does it do?
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| 10:16 | <sbalneav> I can sympathise.
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| 10:16 | Well, SHOULD be exactly the same as the existing one, except:
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| 10:16 | 200 less lines of code
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| 10:16 | only one method of forking/execing
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| 10:17 | MUCH improved ssh chatting
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| 10:17 | no more LANG=C
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| 10:17 | better decurity
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| 10:17 | glibc'd thoughout
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| 10:17 | no built in hard limits (host sizes of 128, only 16 expects, etc)
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| 10:17 | <rjune> Gadi: what's new?
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| 10:18 | spending your bush bux to save the economy?
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| 10:18 | <sbalneav> passes the ssh status messages directly through to the greeter message area (for password changes, etc)
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| 10:18 | et
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| 10:18 | c
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> sbalneav: does the last part obviate the need for translations?
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| 10:19 | rjune: keepin the plates spinnin
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| 10:19 | :)
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| 10:21 | <sbalneav> Gadi: Well, should reduce the need, yes
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| 10:21 | Basically, just log messages are translated, and the "username" and "password" prompts
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| 10:22 | What the world needs is a universal icon developed for "username" and "password", like what we came up with for power symbol.
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| 10:23 | <laga> "password" should be the caps lock symbol
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| 10:23 | <Gadi> username = torso, password = key
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| 10:23 | done
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| 10:23 | make it so
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| 10:23 | <sbalneav> Or, alternatively, we should all just learn esperanto
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> Unu bieron, mi petas
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| 10:25 | Uma cerveja, por favor
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| 10:26 | Una cerveza, por favor
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| 10:26 | <Gadi> sbalneav: did you ever look at my ugly diff of ldm.c stuff that eliminated the restarting of X on failed password?
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> Yeah, take a look at the glibc'd one.
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| 10:27 | * Gadi hopes that your new stuff does that | |
| 10:27 | <sbalneav> Oh, wait, on 3 time fail?
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> restarting X for anything other than ending a session is expensive
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| 10:27 | <sbalneav> no
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| 10:27 | I didn't then.
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> ah
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> lemme find the link
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> can you re-send it to me.
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| 10:28 | <Gadi> https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-trunk
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| 10:28 | take a look there
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> kk
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| 10:29 | <Gadi> it is against a much older ldm at this point
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| 10:29 | but, you can see in the code what I was getting at
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| 10:29 | (unfortunately I did too many things at once for others to make sense of it - but you are so familiar with ur code, you'll see it right away)
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> I'll have a look. I agree, we should handle the failure of the ssh session without the x restart.
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| 10:30 | <stgraber> !s
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| 10:30 | <ltspbot`> stgraber: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> sbalneav: this code does it
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| 10:30 | it is just not documented well enough to tell others how
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> Did you do a signal handler?
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> :)
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> Hey stgraber
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> no, I just widened the loop
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| 10:30 | <stgraber> hi sbalneav, has been a long time :)
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> and drop thru the loop only upon successful login
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| 10:30 | <sbalneav> Yeah, too long my apologies.
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> you'll see
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> Hey vagrantc
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> brb
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| 10:31 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hi! :)
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| 10:32 | <ogra> Gadi, urgh, why do you drop the "This workstation isn't authorized to connect to server" in that patch ?
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| 10:32 | oh, you dont, sorry
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| 10:32 | vagrantc, hey, just merged ltspfs :)
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| 10:32 | <vagrantc> ogra: the package?
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| 10:32 | <ogra> yep
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| 10:32 | we need to find a proper fix for the CDroms
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| 10:33 | i dont want to carry that as dpatch
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| 10:33 | <vagrantc> i really want to merge the do-stuff-from-udev-rather-than-ltsp-init-scripts branch
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| 10:33 | <ogra> fine with me :)
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| 10:33 | <vagrantc> but i fear it might be prone to race conditions or something lik,e that
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| 10:33 | <ogra> well, let me be your guineapig
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| 10:33 | intrepid is open and busy getting uploads ;)
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| 10:34 | i dont need to care for stability yet :)
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| 10:34 | <stgraber> IIRC the non-udev way is sometimes prone to race conditions too :) (my sound card modules not loaded when pulse starts)
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| 10:34 | <vagrantc> i guess i could also do an upload to experimental
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| 10:34 | <ogra> yeah, i cn sync from there ;)
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| 10:35 | stgraber, i'll look into the pulse stuff for intrepid, do you stil see that on fast clients ?
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| 10:36 | <stgraber> ogra: I have used my lappy as thin client for a long time
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| 10:36 | who uses Core2Duo laptops as thin client anyway :)
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| 10:36 | so I guess it's still here in Hardy but haven't tried
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| 10:40 | erk, archive.ubuntu.com is still horribly slow ... 150kB/s and that's when it's fast ...
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> ogra: the main blocker is i actually want to make a cdpinger wrapper that checks if cdpinger is already running for that device (or incorporate it directly into cdpinger) so we don't have to worry about conflicting with older ltsp-client-core packages
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| 10:42 | <fsgaston> new to ltsp - having trouble with the Thin Client manager always crashing 8.04 4 bit
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| 10:42 | <ogra> ah, well ... always looking backwards :)
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| 10:42 | <fsgaston> Any ideas
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| 10:42 | <ogra> 4bit ?
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| 10:43 | <fsgaston> 64bi
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| 10:43 | <ogra> ah
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, it's actually a good thing to not run multiple cdpinger's, i think. :)
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| 10:43 | <ogra> vagrantc, right
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| 10:44 | even though there are people with multiple usb cdroms
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| 10:44 | <stgraber> ogra: what about dbus/hal in the chroot, is that still planned ? if yes, what's the use of cdpinger can't it be replaced by some udev/hal magic ?
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| 10:44 | <sbalneav> Is the issue of running multile cdpingers the size of cdpinger?
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| 10:44 | I did a glibc rewrite of it.
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| 10:44 | <ogra> well, you stil need a listener binary but could indeed poll hal instead of the kernel directly
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| 10:45 | <itais> vagrantc: is there any hook in ldm to trigger an action when the user logouts and before the ssh connection is dropped?
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> ogra: yes, but multiple CDroms won't work if they use the same device name- if they're using the same device name, something's borked anyways and it's not cdpinger's fault.
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| 10:45 | itais: not that i know of
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| 10:45 | <ogra> itais, nope, but you can use a custom command through LDM_SESSION and run a script after the ssh session
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> itais: though *maybe* we should change the code to do that...
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| 10:46 | <itais> mmm, it's a very special need...
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| 10:46 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, just have a var that can hook commands into LDM_SESSION before the kill
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| 10:47 | <itais> ogra: I don't understand your idea of using a command through LDM_SESSION...
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| 10:47 | <ogra> unless you want to actually run something on the client
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| 10:47 | <itais> I want to use the ssh connection to close some process when the user logouts
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| 10:47 | <ogra> on the server or on the client
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| 10:47 | ?
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| 10:47 | <itais> and assure the needed data are back in the user home
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| 10:47 | <vagrantc> itais: specify LDM_SESSION in lts.conf ... point it to a custom script that runs /etc/X11/Xsession $@ , followed by whatever you want to do ... something like that
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| 10:48 | <itais> run it in the client to save some data at $HOME
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> itais: or is this something that needs to be run client-side ?
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| 10:48 | <itais> yes
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> your local apps magic? :)
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| 10:49 | <itais> :-/my local apps workaround for firefox stupid behaviour
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> itais: i guess you could start a hook in rc.d that watches for the existance of the ssh socket, and when it disappears, does something
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| 10:50 | <itais> in brief: I need to copy a user directory in tmpfs, let the user work on it, and copy back the data when the user logouts
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> eeyk.
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| 10:50 | <itais> but i want to do it before it disappears
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> ah, right.
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| 10:51 | <ogra> dont forget that tmpfs is limited
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| 10:51 | <vagrantc> it doesn't currently support that very well is the unfortunate answer of the moment
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| 10:51 | <itais> isure
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| 10:51 | sure
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| 10:51 | <ogra> and eats from your X server
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| 10:51 | <itais> ah, didn't know that, why does it do such thing?
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| 10:51 | <warren> tmpfs is your RAM
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| 10:51 | <ogra> well your Xserver uses the clients ram
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| 10:51 | the tmpfs as well
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| 10:52 | <ogra> the more you store there the less space you have for X
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| 10:52 | <itais> ah, ok, no problem with that. In fact, it uses to be a problem when my Xserver begins to use the client ram as is much slower than the video card ram
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| 10:53 | <laga> it might be a good idea to limit caching in firefox then.
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| 10:54 | <ogra> oh yes :)
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| 10:54 | <ala1> could someone point me to a howto on setting up sound on the thin clients? Using Ubuntu Hardy
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| 10:54 | <ogra> ala1, what client herdware ? sound should work out of the box
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| 10:54 | <stgraber> ala1: what's the problem ?
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| 10:54 | <ogra> *hardware
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| 10:55 | <ala1> using Dell Optiplex GX110 as thin clients....Compaq DL580 as server....everyone has ES1371s as sound
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| 10:56 | <ala1> lts.conf has sound=true
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| 10:56 | I get sound on server when I log into the server but nothing on the clients
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| 10:58 | <ala1> and I mean regardless what I do on the clients, there is no sound. I read some people had sound coming from server when the client did something. I get nothing
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| 10:59 | and the Ensoniqs are very well supported
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| 10:59 | as sound cards
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| 11:01 | <ogra> did you add anything else to the lts.conf ?
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| 11:02 | <ala1> yes just a sec and I'll post it
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| 11:02 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 11:02 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 11:02 | <ogra> send it to the pastebot
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: lookin forward to seeing the like sof you in portland :)
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| 11:04 | <ltsppbot> "ala1" pasted "lts.conf" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/531
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| 11:04 | <ala1> pastebot is cool
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| 11:04 | <ogra> ala1, remove everything but NBD_SWAP
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| 11:04 | the rest are defaults anyway
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| 11:04 | <ala1> ok
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| 11:07 | <ogra> nothing there indicates why your sound doesnt work thouhg
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| 11:08 | <ala1> what device do I choose for the volume control..got Ensoniq and playback: ALSA PCM
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| 11:09 | <ogra> ALSA PCM on hw:0 should be there anyway
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| 11:09 | pick that
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| 11:10 | <ala1> I had already....the pulseaudio applet shows no sinks, servers, or sources other than default...is that normal?
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| 11:10 | <ogra> oh, wait, i'm in virtualbox, that attaches directly to the server device , look for pulse in the list
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| 11:10 | ergh where did you get a pulseaudio applet ? we surely dont install it
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| 11:11 | <ala1> I tried the Novell fiesty setup
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| 11:11 | <ogra> hmm
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| 11:12 | well, no idea what settings that breaks then
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| 11:12 | feisty is two releases ago
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| 11:12 | <stgraber> sbalneav: what kind of testing do you need for your improved ldm ? I have a build server and a ltsp server around so I could well give it a try
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| 11:13 | <ogra> hardy has sound set up out of the box with the default ubuntu settings for everything
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| 11:14 | anyway, need to get some house work done ...
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| 11:14 | * ogra goes to mow the lawn before it gets dark | |
| 11:14 | <ala1> well I made backups of the 3 files that I changed, and the only additional package that installed was the applet....but sound didn't work before
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc> "Novell fiesty" ?
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| 11:16 | <ala1> http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Feisty/HOWTO:_PulseAudio#LTSP_configuration
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| 11:19 | <warren> So I'm thinking about moving all in-chroot configuration away from ltsp-build-client and to be handled within my ltsp-client package instead.
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| 11:19 | This is necessary because package updates within the chroot wont configure new things
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| 11:19 | you folks don't run into this problem?
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| 11:22 | <vagrantc> well, it's against policy for a package's postinstallation script to modify other packages' configuration files... so it would be tricky to implement properly
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| 11:23 | there's not much that's configured in-chroot, if i recall correctly...
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| 11:23 | <cyberorg> warren, what configuration?
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| 11:23 | hi vagrantc ogra warren the_code
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| 11:23 | <warren> vagrantc: i guess your policies don't allow what I want
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| 11:24 | <warren> but I have no such problem in fedora
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| 11:24 | cyberorg: stuff like making sure certain configuration files in the chroot are set
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| 11:24 | <cyberorg> warren, which configuration files?
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| 11:24 | <warren> cyberorg: if I need to configure something new in a future ltsp package update it wont happen because ltsp-build-client isn't run again
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| 11:24 | <vagrantc> well, more properly, it is against policy to directly modify another package's configuration files ... if said package provides a configuration mechanism you're allowed to use that
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| 11:26 | warren: what sort of configurations are you talking about?
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| 11:26 | <cyberorg> warren, the reason for providing adhoc configuration download via tftp as just that, i am distributing prebuilt squashfs image
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| 11:27 | <warren> not just the typical confgurations
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| 11:27 | like deeper OS level stuff
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| 11:27 | <cyberorg> currently i am serving lts.conf, /etc/hosts and ssh_known_hosts
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| 11:28 | <warren> for example:
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| 11:28 | # Hack: ltspfsd fails to mount anything if /etc/mtab is missing
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| 11:28 | # Even a blank /etc/mtab works but this is a bit more tested
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| 11:28 | # so we will use it for now.
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| 11:28 | echo "/dev/root / auto rw,noatime 0 0" > $ROOT/etc/mta
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| 11:28 | * vagrantc hands warren a b | |
| 11:28 | <dberkholz> fyi, we're going to be removing ltsp 4.2 in gentoo soon, regardless of the state of ltsp 5
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| 11:28 | it's too insecure and hard to maintain
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| 11:46 | <ogra> dberkholz, ++
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| 11:46 | debian and ubuntu did that as well
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| 11:53 | <dberkholz> we just sent out a security advisory saying "this thing is full of holes. stop using it."
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| 12:13 | <fsgaston> How do you give the clients access to their usb, but they don´t see every USB plugged in?
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| 12:15 | <dberkholz> ogra: where's that tiny browser of yours again?
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| 12:16 | ogra: nm, found it
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| 12:18 | <LTSP> Hi all, I just installed (K)Ubuntu 8.04 (desktop) - last version I had LTSP running on was 6.10. Before I start installing on the new machine, I wanted to ask if the setup commands have changed? These are the steps I did before...apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server, run ltsp-build-client, reset dhcp.conf IP's, restart dhcp-server, and then ltsp-update-sshkeys. Assuming that's ok, are there any tweaks I should ad
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> sounds good, although you shouldn't need to re-run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 12:19 | ltsp-build-client should handle that
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| 12:19 | <ogra> LTSP, with 7.10 we switched to a squashfs image, if you make changes inside the chroot or run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys, you need to run sudo ltsp-update-image afterwards
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| 12:20 | thats the most notiaceable difference
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| 12:20 | oh, and lts.conf sits in /vat/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 on teh server now if you want to use it
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| 12:20 | *var
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| 12:21 | fsgaston, ubuntu hardy ?
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| 12:23 | <ogra> fsgaston, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/210379 a fix is in the hardy-proposed repository, will be moved within a week to hardy-updates if we dont get negative reports
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| 12:25 | warren, looks like we''ll get a better fix for glib btw, pitti (martin pitt) said he will work on it
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| 12:25 | something that doesnt force subdirs and doesnt chocke on access()
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| 12:26 | <warren> that means upstream is already aware?
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| 12:26 | <ogra> pitti commented on the upstream bug
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| 12:26 | not sure he also noted that he will work on something better though
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| 12:27 | but we have many user complaints from users that mount remote dirs permanently on shared workstations for example
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| 12:27 | i.e. one WS 10 users that switch back and forth seems to be a common case
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| 12:29 | ah, i see he did
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| 12:32 | <warren> I'm confused
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| 12:32 | we hit a brick wall like a year ago attempting to finda reliable way of telling if a directory is local
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| 12:33 | <ogra> well, proc mounts lists all mounts, if you have a blacklist based on fstype you just need to check for names
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| 12:33 | s/names/fsnames/
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| 12:34 | <ogra> just add fses that are known to block on access() to that list ... done
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| 12:35 | thne it does work on all mounts regardless and will skip the blocking ones
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| 12:37 | <warren> OK, it seems upstream doesn't care about Fedora moving most configuration from ltsp-build-client into ltsp-client
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| 12:38 | I was just checking
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| 12:39 | <ogra> freel free to do it in the packaging :)
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| 12:39 | i mean thats maintainer scripts anyway, that change your config, no ?
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| 12:39 | preinstallation/postinstallation scripts i mean
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| 12:39 | <warren> currently it isn't at all
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| 12:39 | currently it happens only in ltsp-build-client
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| 12:40 | <LTSP> Great help! I'm off to do some installing on 8.04!
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| 12:40 | <ogra> i mean your desired solution
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| 12:40 | <warren> yeah, just post
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| 12:40 | <ogra> LTSP, have fun
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| 12:40 | right
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| 12:40 | so it wont affect anyone but you anyway :)
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| 12:41 | my packaging still differs massivelyfrom vagrants either, i guess thats something where we all will differ
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| 12:41 | and rarely have stuff in common
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| 12:42 | <ogra> even though i wonder why the mtab change for you is actually needed when it works for everyone else
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| 12:42 | <cyberorg> we have /etc/mtab rw
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| 12:42 | <ogra> if i were you i'D dig there first before applying hacks
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| 12:43 | in ubuntu and debian its a link to /proc/mounts
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| 12:45 | <warren> I rather not have it that way
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| 12:45 | because it can get confused when running in the chroot
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| 12:45 | /proc/mounts is the server!
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| 12:46 | <ogra> does that matter ?
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| 12:46 | its a link
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| 12:46 | <warren> the behavior of stuff in the chroot doesn't go weird?
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| 12:46 | <ogra> it will be replaced during client boot with the clients /proc/mounts
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| 12:46 | <warren> or it can screw with stuff outside the chroot
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| 12:46 | <ogra> not here, no
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| 12:46 | <ogra> not happened yet either
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| 12:46 | <warren> hey dan
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| 12:47 | <dan_young> hey warren
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| 12:47 | <cyberorg> warren, /proc is in client's ram
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| 12:47 | <warren> cyberorg: that isn't what I'm referring to
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| 12:47 | <ogra> cyberorg, not during chrooot building
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| 12:47 | crooooot
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| 12:47 | :)
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| 12:48 | i havent seen packages mucking about with /proc yet
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| 12:48 | only if they read from there you need to be cautious
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| 12:48 | i.e. if like in ubuntu the xserver package configures itself accordingly
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| 12:49 | <warren> eww
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| 12:49 | what does it configure?
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| 12:49 | <ogra> it did run the configuration scripts which also read from /proc
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| 12:50 | it doesnt do that anymore since we dont have much config anymore :)
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| 12:50 | and it reads from sysfs instead checking for inut devices etc
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| 12:50 | *input
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| 12:51 | but thats moot, since we overwrite the config anyway
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| 12:51 | (and hopefully wont need any config at all anymore next release)
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| 12:52 | <cyberorg> ogra, btw, did you write configure-x.sh? we're using it for opensuse 11.0 live :)
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| 12:52 | <fsgaston> In LTSP - students can access their USB drive, but they see all of the USB drives mounted, how do I fix this so they only see theirs?
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| 12:53 | <ogra> ogra, yes, the initial version at least
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| 12:53 | cyberorg, ^^^
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| 12:53 | <warren> fsgaston: that's fixed in fedora 9, sounds like ubuntu has a fix coming
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| 12:53 | <ogra> fsgaston, see my post to you from xx:24
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| 12:54 | <ogra> fsgaston, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/210379 a fix is in the hardy-proposed repository, will be moved within a week to hardy-updates if we dont get negative reports
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| 12:54 | <cyberorg> ogra, cool, it just seems faster than our sax2 tool, so for trial Beta3 live CDs are now using it
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| 12:54 | <ogra> lol
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| 13:13 | <fsgaston> Does anybody have a good solution for setting up printers by client hostname?
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| 13:24 | <rjune> fsgaston: used to be in the LTS.conf you could define them.
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| 13:25 | fsgaston: How are things going for you? I've not talked to you in a while
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| 13:30 | <fsgaston> <rjune> Things are going well, staying busy with many schools and summer approaching.
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| 13:32 | <rjune> Good, glad to hear it.
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| 13:32 | <irule> hi guys, can you please tell me what is the status of sound on terminals latelly? I have not read anything about ltsp for a while
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| 13:32 | <rjune> I met mike last month, I didn't realize just how big that guy is.
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| 13:34 | <fsgaston> rjune - Mikeś role in the state is veyr important.
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| 13:35 | <fsgaston> rjune - I give Mike credit for starting this project and gettign linux in so many Indiana schools
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| 13:35 | <rjune> Do you remember talking to me?
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| 13:35 | irule: Sorry, the only audio information I can give you is a couple of years old.
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| 13:35 | <ogra> it just works :)
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| 13:35 | <rjune> irule: ^
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| 13:36 | ogra: back in my day, you had to fight nasd, esd and artsd for audio. and you liked it.
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| 13:36 | <fsgaston> rjune, was it at the openminds conference or when I called you.
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| 13:36 | <rjune> ok, so you do remember and don't think I'm just some random nutjob
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| 13:37 | <ogra> rjune, well, we started off with frekin esd and now have fine alsa emulation :)
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| 13:37 | <fsgaston> rjune, how isy our LTSP setup going, aren you doing the thin fat clients?
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| 13:40 | <rjune> ogra: I remember the ESD days.
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| 13:40 | painfully so.
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| 13:40 | fsgaston: nope, I'm not doing much LTSP right now. haven't for a while.
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| 13:40 | I'm not at the school anymore either, making routers now
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| 13:41 | <ogra> rjune, what about your car, did you turn a sigle screw te last six monts ?
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| 13:41 | *the
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| 13:42 | <fsgaston> rjune, are you coming to the openminds conference this year?
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| 13:42 | <fsgaston> <rjune> making routers?
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| 13:46 | <warren> I can't reproduce this dude's failure
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| 13:47 | modprobe nbd; use nbd-client
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| 13:47 | it fails for him if there's no sleep between the two
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| 13:47 | <rjune> fsgaston: http://www.imagestream.com/
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| 13:47 | <ogra> warren, weird, ever heard something like that
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| 13:48 | <rjune> ogra: yup, crawled under it just the other day finally. mainifold is on the block, and exhaust is on the manifold
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| 13:48 | <fsgaston> <rjune> do you want to chat in private seesion
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| 13:48 | <rjune> sure
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| 13:48 | <ogra> rjune, wow, kudos, mine starts to get covered in moss even standing in the garage :(
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| 13:49 | <rjune> LOL
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| 13:49 | * ogra didnt touch a wrench in 12 months and his ripped apart car waits and waits .... | |
| 13:49 | <rjune> that's no good
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| 13:49 | cars like to move
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| 13:50 | <ogra> i really start to feel bad about it, i'll probably just give it someone for free to reassemble and drive
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| 13:50 | <rjune> heh
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| 13:51 | <rjune> fsgaston: you not registered?
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| 13:52 | <fsgaston> <rjune> no
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| 13:52 | <rjune> fsgaston: /join #rjune
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| 14:07 | <warren> nbdswapd
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| 14:07 | # default to running mkswap
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| 14:07 | RUN_MKSWAP=true
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| 14:08 | why would you want it to not run mkswap?
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| 14:16 | is anybody actually using the nbdswapd script in ltsp-trunk?
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| 14:16 | I can't see how it could possibly work
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| 15:34 | <laga> odd. any idea what's causing the fstab to be overwritten even if CONFIGURE_FSTAB=false is set in lts.conf?
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| 15:36 | <johnny> you broke it :)
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| 15:37 | dberkholz, i figured out my error, got boot from fresh install, just needed to manually run etc-update
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| 15:37 | and copy the kernel to the tfpboot with pcnet32
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| 15:38 | kernel and initramfs that is..
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| 15:41 | <Q-FUNK> asac_: would you have time to sponsor a package?
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| 15:43 | <laga> ogra: ping.
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| 15:44 | ogra: i'm afraid this changeset was dropped from the ubuntu package: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision?start_revid=vagrant%40freegeek.org-20080303192655-srxndbvafodxzl0q&filter_file_id=x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3Cmatt.zimmerman%40canonical.com%3E_Tue_May__3_20%3A51%3A41_2005_6467.0
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| 15:45 | ogra: you added it in 5.0.40~bzr20080212-0ubuntu3
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| 15:50 | <asac_> Q-FUNK: what kind?
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| 15:50 | <laga> ogra: never mind. i looked at the wrong file. sorry. :(
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| 15:51 | <Q-FUNK> asac_: an updated X driver for the most common chipset on LTSP hardware
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| 15:52 | <asac_> Q-FUNK: open a bug; ill look and if i dont feel wise-enough ill forward bounce it to someone else
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| 15:52 | <Q-FUNK> http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-geode/xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.9.0-1.dsc
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| 15:53 | <Q-FUNK> why open a bug? this is no NMU. I'm the maintainer.
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| 15:55 | <dberkholz> johnny: ok
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| 15:55 | <Q-FUNK> asac: ?
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| 15:58 | <asac> Q-FUNK: ok, so you are requesting a sync?
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| 15:58 | aeh sorry
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| 15:58 | <Q-FUNK> asac: I first need it in Debian. then sync into Ubuntu.
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| 15:58 | <asac> Q-FUNK: now i get you ... you ask for a sponsor for debian
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| 15:59 | <Q-FUNK> yes :)
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| 15:59 | <asac> was somewhat caught in ubuntu context
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| 15:59 | <Q-FUNK> heh
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| 15:59 | the bug is already open in ubuntu. pitti is ok with the SRU, too
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| 16:00 | but we first need to get it into Debian
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| 16:05 | <johnny> dberkholz, i think i'm going to set CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="" to automerge the openrc files, so that'll be out of the way
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| 16:05 | then it'll just be doing the initramfs overlay
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| 16:05 | i'm still slowly working on it.. just had some trouble with ubuntu troubles, and working on a personal site :)
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| 16:05 | trying to be able to blog about stuff like this
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| 16:06 | <asac> Q-FUNK: pitti is ok with a full new upstream release as SRU?
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| 16:06 | <Q-FUNK> asac: the diff is really small
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| 16:07 | asac: and it fixes a hardware issue with some ubuntu-inside certified hardware.
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| 16:08 | <Q-FUNK> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-geode/+bug/214119
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| 16:08 | asac: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-geode.git;a=summary
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| 16:09 | <asac> Q-FUNK: ok, where is the ubuntu bug?
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| 16:10 | <Q-FUNK> see above
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| 16:10 | <asac> ah ;)
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| 16:10 | <Q-FUNK> pitti agreed that it was pointless to open a separate sync bug, when the real bug to close is this one
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| 16:14 | as you can see from the git commit log, we changed one file, added one and updated the changelog. that's it
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| 16:15 | <dberkholz> johnny: i just use wordpress.com for blogging so i don't have to deal with setup and admin
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| 16:15 | <asac> Q-FUNK: what i dont get is that if i diff -ru the extracted tarball with the 2.8.0 one, in debian i don't see the diff from git
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| 16:16 | <edgarin> Hi!
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| 16:16 | <Q-FUNK> asac: indeed, since git doesn't contain the autoconf result
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| 16:16 | <johnny> dberkholz, workpress doesn't do enough for me
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| 16:16 | wordpres
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| 16:16 | <asac> like: $ diff -ur xf86-video-geode-2.9.0/ xserver-xorg-video-geode-2.8.0+git20080424/ | lsdiff
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| 16:16 | xf86-video-geode-2.9.0/ChangeLog
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| 16:16 | xf86-video-geode-2.9.0/configure
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| 16:16 | but maybe i am just tired
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| 16:16 | xf86-video-geode-2.9.0/configure.ac
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| 16:17 | <edgarin> Somebody know about of howto boot in a iMac G3?
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| 16:17 | <dberkholz> johnny: what do you need?
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| 16:17 | <asac> Q-FUNK: ah ok ... debian .orig.tar.gz already containted the main patch
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| 16:18 | <Q-FUNK> asac: yes, I had pulled it from git, to let people test it before calling it a release
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| 16:21 | <johnny> dberkholz, plus i am a web developer by trade in general
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| 16:21 | and doing fun stuff with xmpp
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| 16:21 | which i can't integrate into a site i don't have control over
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| 16:21 | <asac> Q-FUNK: something is broken
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| 16:21 | <johnny> last site i did, i integrated jabber accounts with site login
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| 16:21 | <asac> just dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -kasac@debian.org fails
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| 16:21 | <johnny> and almost had post via jabber working
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| 16:22 | for my own version of twitter..before twitter existed..
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| 16:22 | <Q-FUNK> asac: builds fine here in a pbuilder
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| 16:22 | <asac> make: Nothing to be done for `build'. fakeroot debian/rules binary
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| 16:22 | make: Nothing to be done for `binary'. signfile xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.9.0-1.dsc
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| 16:23 | <Q-FUNK> ?!
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| 16:27 | <asac> no idea i am using my sid chroot
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| 16:27 | icedove worked fine there too
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| 16:28 | Q-FUNK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11187/
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| 16:30 | <Q-FUNK> asac: might be a good idea to check the arch: line of debian/control
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| 16:31 | that will tell you why it's failing to build ;)
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| 16:35 | <Q-FUNK> asac: found the catch-22 ? ;)
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| 16:39 | <asac> yeah
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| 16:39 | hmm ... have no i386 chroot i guess
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| 16:39 | <LTSP> Hi again, running the following step to install LTSP on Kubuntu 8.04 gave me: sudo ltsp-build-client
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| 16:39 | NOTE: adding default dist and components to security mirror:
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| 16:39 | http://security.ubuntu.com//ubuntu hardy main restricted
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| 16:39 | I: Retrieving Release
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| 16:39 | I: Retrieving Packages
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| 16:39 | I: Validating Packages
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| 16:39 | W: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 was corrupt
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| 16:39 | I: Retrieving Packages
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| 16:39 | I: Validating Packages
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| 16:39 | W: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz was corrupt
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| 16:39 | I: Retrieving Packages
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| 16:39 | I: Resolving dependencies of required packages...
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| 16:39 | I: Resolving dependencies of base packages...
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| 16:39 | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 16:39 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 16:40 | <stgraber> !pastebin
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| 16:40 | <ltspbot`> stgraber: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
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| 16:40 | <stgraber> !paste
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| 16:40 | <Q-FUNK> LTSP: this channel is not called #pastebin
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| 16:40 | <ltspbot`> stgraber: Error: "paste" is not a valid command.
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| 16:40 | <stgraber> bah, what Q-FUNK says :) (I'm 90% sure there is a bot command for it :))
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| 16:41 | <Q-FUNK> asac: actually, was debian ever updated to accept source-only updates?
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| 16:41 | öö.. uploads?
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| 16:42 | <asac> thats the point :-P
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| 16:42 | <Q-FUNK> asac: or does the debian dak still reject them?
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| 16:42 | <asac> i am setting up a sid32 chroot now
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| 16:43 | no source only is still rejected
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| 16:43 | now that debian has new Master it might worth another try ;)
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| 16:43 | <Q-FUNK> asac: the mentors dak accepts source-only, that's why I'm asking
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| 16:43 | asac: ah yes, good point
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| 16:48 | those recent nominations could do a lot of good for debian, if used properly
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| 16:48 | <asac> hopefully ;)
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| 16:52 | <asac> ok its building ...
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| 16:53 | uploading ...
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| 16:53 | done
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| 16:53 | Q-FUNK: have fun ;)
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| 16:58 | <Q-FUNK> asac: ah, yes indeed. thanks! :)
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| 16:58 | <asac> welcome
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| 17:05 | <Q-FUNK> hm. dak is slow tonight.
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| 17:08 | ah, it reacted now.
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