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Channel log from 28 January 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:03 | <vagrantc> warren: yeah, it was a pretty spontaneous decision ... just keep hearing gentoo folks expressing interest, and am relatively close to dberkholz
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| 02:16 | <Q-FUNK> vagrantc: we just hired a Gentoo guy, who might get around it.
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| 02:20 | <dberkholz> Q-FUNK: who?
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| 02:20 | <Q-FUNK> dberkholz: mraudsepp
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| 02:20 | <dberkholz> ah, cool.
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| 02:20 | see if he can make it to portland OR in a couple weeks
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| 02:20 | that's when i'll be working on it w/ vagrantc
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| 02:21 | Q-FUNK: btw your xorg-announce mail still shows up without a real name..
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| 02:21 | <Q-FUNK> might be hard as he just barely got hired and is currently working on kernel issues. besides, the US embassy doesn't deliver visas THAT fast.
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| 02:21 | dberkholz: blame mailx.
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| 02:22 | <dberkholz> Q-FUNK: i don't care about blame, i'd just like it to be fixed like the rest of 'em. =)
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| 02:22 | <Q-FUNK> dberkholz: you're welcome to send a patch. :)
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| 02:23 | <dberkholz> to what? everyone else's stuff works, it can't be a general problem
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| 02:24 | <Q-FUNK> the release generation script is borken. it signs the whole message, which prevents the Subject and To lines to be caught, to begin with
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| 02:24 | and I really have better things to do than track down mailx issues.
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| 02:25 | anyhow, the release messages is signed by my GPG key, which oughto to be enough.
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| 02:25 | <dberkholz> it's just annoying to see your email show up when everyone else has a name.
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| 02:26 | not really a huge deal, but it bugs me every time you bump
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| 02:26 | <Q-FUNK> if it's not a huge deal, then stop bringing it up. I've already said before that I have better things to do than track down mailx issues, so drop it already.
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| 03:20 | <daduke> hi all. Does anybody know how/where the xorg.conf file is generated during LTSP boot? thanks.
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| 03:33 | <tarzeau> GOOD MORNING!
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| 04:52 | <PerfDave> tarzeau!
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| 05:12 | <mhterres> morning guys
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| 05:41 | <tarzeau> how can i have an xorg.conf with two more fontpath lines?
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| 07:02 | <wellspinto> Hi! I'm need help in ltsp5 with edubuntu 7.10. The Automatic login not work. Apears only X in black window. Any help???
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| 07:13 | <wellspinto> Hi! I'm need help in ltsp5 with edubuntu 7.10. The Automatic login not work. Apears only X in black window. Any help???
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| 07:15 | <cliebow_> wellspinto, i havnt heard any discussion of it...perhaps ogra will chime in..
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| 07:21 | <wellspinto> tks
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| 07:23 | <jvanrooyen> Hi all I'm having problems with tftpboot...using edubuntu and get PXE:E32 timeout, can anyone help with this?
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| 08:07 | <jvanrooyen> Hi all I'm having problems with tftpboot...using edubuntu and get PXE:E32 timeout, can anyone help with this?
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| 09:00 | <jvanrooyen> Hi all I'm having problems with tftpboot...using edubuntu and get PXE:E32 timeout, can anyone help with this?
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| 09:04 | <tarzeau> PerfDave!
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| 09:24 | <cje2176> hi there. I've got a problem using localdev
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| 09:25 | when I try to mount the device by hand using the ssh -X /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add command it says that /media/myuser isn't mounted
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| 09:25 | I looked on the server and the directory exists and contains device-named directories
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| 09:26 | but if i issue an ls -l here's what i get :
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> is your user a member of the 'fuse' group?
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| 09:27 | <cje2176> Gadi: yes
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| 09:27 | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? floppy0
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| 09:27 | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? tmp
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| 09:27 | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? usbdisk-sda1
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| 09:27 | that's as root user
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> right - root cannot see into the mounts
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| 09:27 | <cje2176> as the normal user I get correct owner/perms/etc
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> try the ls -l as that user
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| 09:27 | <cje2176> ok
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> yes - our localdev security is such that no other user - even root- can access the mounts
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| 09:28 | <cje2176> ok
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| 09:28 | <jvanrooyen> Gadi: Hi I'm having problems with tftpboot...using edubuntu and get PXE:E32 timeout, can you help with this?
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> jvanrooyen: what type of switch do you have?
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| 09:29 | <jvanrooyen> Gadi: Planet
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> jvanrooyen: is it managed or unmanaged?
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| 09:30 | <jvanrooyen> Gadi: unmanaged
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| 09:30 | <cje2176> Gadi: hum in fqact it's working :)
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| 09:31 | <sutula> Gadi: Can you point me to the mechanism that gets local devices to show up on the gnome desktop? They're in /media/<username>/<device>, correct owner, but not on the desktop.
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> jvanrooyen: http://www.bootix.com/support/problems_solutions/pxe_e32_tftp_open_timeout.html
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| 09:31 | <cje2176> Gadi: do you know if it's possible to have the same behaviour in kde ad when you plug in a usb key on a "normal" workstation (a dialog asking what to do)
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| 09:32 | <jvanrooyen> Gadi: I'll have a look at that now thanks
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> ok, ok one at a time ;)
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| 09:32 | <cje2176> :)
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> sutula: gnome-vfs, I believe, in Ubuntu (I dont think we create .desktop icons anymore, we let gnome do the icon creation - but I have to check)
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| 09:35 | cje2176: you can modify /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter on the server (its in python) - or find out how KDEs mechanisms work - I am not too familiar
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| 09:35 | <cje2176> ok
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| 09:35 | thanks, i'll look around
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| 09:35 | <Gadi> but, basically udev on the client will call ltspfsmounter on the server
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| 09:35 | so, you can have it pop up whatever you like?
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| 09:35 | er like :)
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| 09:35 | <laga> what does ltspfs do? it doesn't happen to provide space where a client can write persistent changes? :)
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| 09:35 | <cje2176> ok
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> laga: ltspfs is our network-based automounter
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| 09:40 | <laga> Gadi: ah, ok.
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| 09:41 | <sutula> Gadi: So ltspfsmounter gets things mounted in /media, then the gnome-vfs-daemon "notices" and puts something on the desktop?
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| 09:42 | <Gadi> sutula: pretty much - afaik
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| 09:42 | <sutula> Thanks!
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| 09:43 | * sutula suspects there's a vfs-daemon error log somewhere | |
| 09:43 | <Gadi> I think it will do that for anything in /media
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| 09:43 | prolly
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| 09:43 | but, afaik, we don't trigger anything explicitly in the code
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| 09:43 | unless it is done in lbmount
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| 09:43 | but I doubt it
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| 09:45 | bbiab
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| 09:52 | <cje2176> Gadi: hoz do you handle clean removale of usb keys ?
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| 09:53 | s/hoz/how
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| 09:57 | <sutula> cje2176: After a few seconds of inactivity, they are safe to remove
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| 09:57 | <cje2176> sutula: it really depends of the amount of data you copy to it and the speed of your usb bus
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| 09:58 | * sutula repeats "inactivity" | |
| 09:58 | <sutula> Detecting that depends on the device :)
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| 09:59 | <cje2176> yeah well I would rather have a button to eject the device safely
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| 09:59 | instead of explaining to users : please wait until your drive doesn't blink anymore (assuming it has a led and it blinks when there's activity)
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| 09:59 | * sutula is just repeating what's been said here before...is not involved in the code to do it...submit a patch :) | |
| 10:00 | <cje2176> :)
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| 10:01 | <sutula> Basically, the devices are only mounted during activity, and unmounted a few seconds after there's been none. I think the trick is for the user to know when a device is inactive.
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| 10:02 | <cje2176> sutula: you meen ltspfs unmounts them when they're inactive ?
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| 10:02 | <Gadi> exactly - even if there were a button, if it takes time to flush the queue - you will still have users who pull the stick while its blinking
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| 10:02 | yes
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| 10:02 | the steady-state of ltspfs is unmounted
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| 10:03 | <cje2176> Gadi: ok
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| 10:03 | well then I guess it's enough for my needs
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| 10:03 | <Gadi> users will be users - and no number of buttons will change that :)
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| 10:03 | <sutula> It would be nice if there were a gnome (or other) "USB activity light" widget
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| 10:04 | <Gadi> we could prolly tie a widget to ltspfs that indicates when the mount is mounted or unmounted
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| 10:04 | :)
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| 10:05 | <sutula> Many have asked for the "unmount" to work...maybe that could be tied to a check-and-wait-if-mounted, to ltspfs
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| 10:06 | <cje2176> On my desktop machine if i umount a disk with data that needs to be writtrn on it gnome tells we that i need to wait and then tells me that i can remove my usb disk
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| 10:06 | * PerfDave uses the "Safely Remove" feature in KDE | |
| 10:07 | <Gadi> right - it would prolly be only a matter of writing a script with zenity and ltspfsmounter <MOUNTPOINT> remove
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| 10:07 | <cje2176> another quick question : ldm takes on awfull lot of time to show up, any leads on where that could come from ?
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| 10:08 | <Gadi> cje2176: on which version of LTSP5?
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| 10:08 | <cje2176> the thing is X starts up quickly (i can see the black cursor cross)
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| 10:08 | Gadi: 0.128 or so
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| 10:08 | <Gadi> what distro?
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| 10:08 | <cje2176> 0.124
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| 10:08 | feisty
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| 10:08 | <Gadi> ah, fesity
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| 10:09 | fesity's ldm is written in python and is super slow
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| 10:09 | gutsy's was rewritten in C to adress this
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| 10:09 | er, address
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| 10:09 | <cje2176> is there a backport or so;ething ?
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| 10:09 | <Gadi> python on a thin client is painful :)
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| 10:10 | not that I am aware of, but I don't do the ubuntu packaging :)
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| 10:10 | <cje2176> ok :)
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| 10:10 | dapper's ldm was in python too right ?
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| 10:10 | <Gadi> yeah - everything up to gutsy
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| 10:11 | <cje2176> ok, cause it runs faster. I'm pretty sure it's not python related
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| 10:11 | it takes like 30seconds to show the login screen
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| 10:11 | <Gadi> python loads a bunch of libraries - which over the network is rough
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| 10:11 | especially on low-powered clients
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| 10:12 | <sutula> cje2176: There may be more functionality in the newer one...hence more libraries
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| 10:12 | * sutula doesn't run ubuntu, so doesn't know for sure | |
| 10:12 | <cje2176> hum
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| 10:12 | ok
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| 10:12 | thanks anyway
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| 10:17 | <Gadi> sutula: were you the one who was gonna work on hacking the autologin stuff in ldm a bit more?
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| 10:17 | <cje2176> I can still use gdm with ltsp 5 right ?
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| 10:18 | <sutula> Gadi: I hope to...unless someone else gets to it first :)
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> cje2176: SCREEN_07=startx
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| 10:18 | cje2176: but, you wont get local devices
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| 10:18 | <cje2176> hum.. crap
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| 10:18 | <sutula> Gadi: I may have time this Tues or Thu...I can only work on it when working from home
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> gotcha
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| 10:19 | <sutula> Gadi: I've never submitted patches into ltsp, but if I can get something working, I'll ask here
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| 10:20 | <Gadi> sutula: just start with bzr - that seems to be the way we work round here
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| 10:21 | * sutula whines about "yet another version control system" to learn ...only know rcs, cvs, and svn so far :( | |
| 10:22 | <Gadi> heh, whatever - if I can figure it out anybody can, lemme tell ya
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| 10:22 | :)
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| 10:26 | <cliebow_> Gadi:got a sec?
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| 10:26 | <Gadi> for you, cliebow_? anytime
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| 10:26 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 10:27 | next if ($entry->get_value('ou')) = "People"; just want to skip People..
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| 10:29 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "sub to fill @classes with group info" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/426
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| 10:31 | <cliebow_> if too obscure...no worries..
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> push(@classe,
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| 10:32 | typo
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| 10:32 | <cliebow_> not really..
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| 10:32 | just a chuckoism'
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> ah
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| 10:33 | <cliebow_> just cant figure out how to skpi certain ou
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> scalar ($entry->get_value('ou')
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| 10:33 | so, you want a number?
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| 10:33 | dont you want a name?
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| 10:34 | <cliebow_> err..a name..butr that piece works
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| 10:34 | * cliebow_ cliebow looks up scalar | |
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> oh!
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| 10:34 | next if ($entry->get_value('ou')) = "People";
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| 10:34 | thats wrong
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| 10:34 | you want:
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| 10:35 | <cliebow_> drm roll!!!
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> next if ($entry->get_value('ou') eq 'People');
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| 10:35 | <cliebow_> Ahhhhhh!!
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| 10:35 | Ill give that a whirl...thanks a pile..!
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> np
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| 10:36 | <cliebow_> perfect!!!
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| 11:12 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 11:14 | <Gadi> jammcq!!!
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| 11:14 | where the heck have u been?
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| 11:14 | <jammcq> right here in beautiful Michigan
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| 11:15 | <Gadi> ah, no wonder I lost u :)
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| 11:15 | <jammcq> and now you've found me :)
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| 12:13 | <lns> has anyone used Ubuntu/LTSP5 with VMWare server and Win2k3?
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| 12:15 | <Blinny> Where can I read up on the status of LTSP in Hoary?
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| 12:15 | er wait
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| 12:15 | the next one. Hardy.
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| 12:16 | <lns> lol
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| 12:16 | Blinny, have you checked the wiki?
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| 12:16 | * lns isn't sure but thinks it might be there if anywhere | |
| 12:18 | <Blinny> @ltsp.org you mean?
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| 12:19 | <lns> wiki.ubuntu.com if you're looking for ubuntu status
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| 12:21 | i dunno i can't find it myself...
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| 12:24 | <Blinny> I'm ready a post by ogra on nabble. No worries, just curious.
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc> my guess is, hoary being a long-term-support release (i think), it will probably focus on bug fixes from what's in gutsy
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| 12:31 | er
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| 12:32 | hardy
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| 12:32 | heh
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| 12:32 | <stgraber> main change is moving LTSP from Edubuntu to Ubuntu (Alternate CD), that'll be the main change in Hardy
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc> ah, right
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| 12:33 | <stgraber> then fixing bugs and the management UI (UI to create/manage compressed chroots)
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| 12:33 | <cliebow_> so it must be time to mirate to hairy..right?
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| 12:33 | so it must be time to migrate to hairy..right?
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| 12:34 | * vagrantc has always thought heron's looked a little frail | |
| 12:34 | <Blinny> Will chroot updates be incorporated in Synaptic by Hardy/Hoary/Hairy?
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| 12:35 | <cliebow_> them legs..them legs..them chicken chicken legs..
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| 12:35 | <Blinny> I guess I'm just looking for a roadmap
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| 12:36 | <cliebow_> Blinny: i am quite sure the technique will remain the same...
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| 12:36 | <stgraber> Blinny: roadmaps are basically the specs we've been working on at Boston
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| 12:38 | <Blinny> Right-O
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| 12:39 | <stgraber> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-boston-2007
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| 12:39 | <Blinny> I'm shooting for Happy-release-date to switch from Fedora to Ubuntu for my two installations.
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| 12:39 | Thanks stgraber
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| 12:40 | <cliebow_> so hardy is table enough to move one machine over??
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| 12:42 | <stgraber> I'm running Hardy on my laptop for quite some time now (the first Alpha) and it's really stable (>1 week uptime, last reboot being a kernel upgrade) but you'll have all the problems that come with a devel release (broken deps mainly)
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| 12:43 | I haven't played with LTSP myself (lack of time) but IIRC it's just an option you have to pass to the alternate CD to start a ltsp server install
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| 12:44 | <Blinny> Yeah. That's what I read also.
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| 12:47 | <cliebow_> stgraber: great: has xorg proceeded beyond the point where nx still functions..as i depend on that for remote admin..
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| 12:52 | <stgraber> cliebow_: I don't use NX, do you have a quick way of testing that (without installing NX) ?
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| 12:54 | <cliebow_> i should grab it by the horns i guess..and try it..
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| 12:55 | <stgraber> cliebow_: VNC works fine, not sure if that helps though
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| 12:55 | <cliebow_> heh..not sure either..i just got everything working about the way it ought to..so may as well break it again...8~)
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| 12:56 | takes all the fun out of it when things just work
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| 12:56 | <stgraber> :)
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| 13:11 | <lns> stgraber, is LTSP going to be included in Hoary's alternate cd ala Xubuntu style setup?
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| 13:18 | <Blinny> lns: Yah - http://www.nabble.com/ubuntu-LTSP-move-done-...-testers-wanted-td14952192.html
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| 13:26 | <lns> Blinny, wow that's great news!!! =)
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| 13:26 | I <3 consolidation =)
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| 13:53 | <warren> Somebody have a Edubuntu or Debian box?
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> warren: got debian
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| 13:54 | <warren> vagrantc, what does "locale" output for you?
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| 13:54 | we have a pastebot here?
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> !pastebot
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| 13:54 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 13:55 | <warren> vagrantc, going to use "locale" instead of /etc/environment, it might be a bit more distro neutral
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| 13:55 | vagrantc, but I need to be sure it outputs the right thing
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| 13:55 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "locale on debian etch" (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/427
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> i *think* ubuntu doesn't have the .UTF-8 bit
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| 13:56 | ubuntu assumes full UTF-8 support... i think
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| 13:56 | <cliebow_> yeah it does
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| 13:56 | looks identical to yours....
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| 13:57 | LC_COLLATE is different
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc> well, that's because i set LC_COLLATE manually
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| 13:57 | <cliebow_> LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> i'll give it a whirl on a default install
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| 13:59 | warren: what are you using "locale" instead of "/etc/environment" for?
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| 14:03 | <Blinny> LC_COLLAGE="en_US.UTF-8" on default ubuntu
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| 14:03 | er, COLLATE
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> ditto for default on debian
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| 14:03 | well, at least with my install
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| 14:03 | <Blinny> I just happen to be setting up a x86_64 ubuntu gutsy ltsp test right now
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| 14:07 | <warren> vagrantc, locale doesn't have LANG=?
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| 14:07 | this isn't good
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| 14:07 | vagrantc, ldminfod reads /etc/environment
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| 14:07 | vagrantc, we don't have that
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| 14:08 | vagrantc, ldminfod is also broken in that it runs "locale -a" which has 17 things on ubuntu but 696 things on Fedora.
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> warren: locale does output LANG= ...
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| 14:08 | <warren> vagrantc, ok then
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| 14:08 | vagrantc, I'm editing ldminfod to run locale
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> it's the very first thing it outputs ...
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| 14:08 | <warren> get LANG= from locale instead of /etc/environment
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> warren: why is it broken that it reports all possible locales?
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| 14:09 | <warren> vagrantc, ldm's greeter blows up when you have a huge list
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> warren: ok.
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| 14:09 | <warren> vagrantc, and you really don't want to display that many options to the user
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| 14:09 | vagrantc, and that list continues to grow quick in fedora
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| 14:09 | vagrantc, we need a rethink of which languages to display, gdm upstream is rethinking it as well.
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> on debian and ubuntu, the sysadmin decides which languages are supported... though in different ways
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| 14:10 | <warren> vagrantc, for defaultlocale do you agree "locale" is OK?
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| 14:11 | vagrantc, strace locale
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| 14:11 | vagrantc, does it open /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive on your system?
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> warren: yes
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| 14:13 | <warren> I think this might work
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| 14:13 | * vagrantc wonders if warren could be more verbose | |
| 14:14 | <warren> vagrantc, /etc/environment is not distro neutral
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| 14:14 | vagrantc, instead I want to run locale and get LANG= from that
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> warren: yes, that much is clear
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| 14:14 | <warren> it seems to do the right thing, right?
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| 14:15 | vagrantc, a separate problem is locale -a used by another part of ldminfod
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| 14:15 | vagrantc, the list is too long
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| 14:15 | we have to rethink how to do that
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| 14:15 | <vagrantc> warren: got it. just wanted to make sure which of the two issues you were talking about
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| 14:16 | <warren> vagrantc, ltsp-fedora tree I've been keeping in sync with ltsp-trunk
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| 14:16 | vagrantc, maybe we should just merge it?
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| 14:16 | vagrantc, ogra didn't see anything bad in ltsp-fedora
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| 14:16 | vagrantc, although we still have to make many changes...
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> "locale -a" on many debian systems will likely only output 3 things: C, POSIX and whatever locales the sysadmin selected.language and/or region you selected
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| 14:17 | <Blinny> For a LTSP5 server based on gutsy is it preferable to do a server .iso install and then 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' or do a desktop .iso install and then 'apt-get install ubuntu-server' ?
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| 14:17 | (I'm assuming the kernel from the 2nd will overwrite the kernel from the 1st)
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| 14:17 | <warren> Blinny, how does the kernel matter?
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> Blinny: either should work fine
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| 14:17 | * warren has the same kernel everywhere | |
| 14:18 | <vagrantc> Blinny: you may not even need or want ubuntu-server
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| 14:18 | <Blinny> I suppose I was under the false impression that the -server kernel was different in its workings or scheduler or PAE than -desktop.
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| 14:18 | <stgraber> you just need ltsp-server (-standalone depending on your need)
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> warren: where's the branch?
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| 14:19 | <Blinny> This machine will also do dhcp, bind, apache2, imap, mysqld etc
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> Blinny: install whatever you want :P
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| 14:19 | <Blinny> So I should start with -desktop then apt-get install the above service packages individually.
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| 14:19 | <vagrantc> Blinny: "For a LTSP5 server" it shouldn't really matter :P
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| 14:19 | <warren> vagrantc, bzr://bzr.fedorahosted.org/bzr/k12ltsp/ltsp-fedora
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| 14:19 | vagrantc, hold a sec, pushing to it now
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| 14:20 | <Blinny> vagrantc: -server is supported 2 more years than -desktop
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> Blinny: yes, but an LTSP server without desktop applications is like ... a bicycle without wheels
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| 14:23 | <warren> vagrantc, all of our work is being pushed to upstream trees (ldm, ltspfs, etc.) except for ltsp-trunk at the moment
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| 14:23 | <Blinny> The 7.10 metapackage ubuntu-desktop is what is supported until 2009 then, not the original system one installed.
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| 14:25 | <warren> hm... lmdinfod is making some other bad assumption
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| 14:25 | session: lines are full of garbage =)
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> it's no surprise- the vast majority of development was done by folks working with ubuntu and debian- of course we made assumptions.
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| 14:28 | and it's valueable to have other folks getting involved, to root out those assumptions and fix them
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| 14:28 | which is why i'm excited we're having the hackfest with gentoo :)
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| 14:32 | <warren> will eharrison go to that hackfest?
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| 14:32 | <dberkholz> one thing i wanna make happen there is getting a decent buildsystem finished
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> warren: i hope so - haven't heard anything though
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| 14:32 | <dberkholz> besides the obvious (gentoo port)
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| 14:32 | <warren> vagrantc, apparently upstream GNOME and KDE use /usr/share/xsessions to define what sessions are available
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| 14:33 | vagrantc, and custom sessions made by sysadmins can go into /etc/dmsessions
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| 14:33 | vagrantc, they are .desktop files in there
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| 14:34 | it will be quite a bit of code to parse it in exactly the same way
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| 14:34 | but ldm should parse it in the same way eventually
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| 14:34 | hmm
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> warren: might be able to just spit out the *.desktop files as comma-separated lists ...
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| 14:35 | <warren> vagrantc, it loops over .desktop files, sees if TryExec= can be executed, if so it populates the lists wiht:
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| 14:35 | [Name]
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| 14:35 | and [Comment] is a tooltip
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| 14:37 | vagrantc, what is the output of: /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
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| 14:38 | vagrantc, /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --list x-window-manager
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> warren: just a list of paths to the binaries
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| 14:38 | <warren> vagrantc, I need concrete examples
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> warren: /usr/bin/icewm-session
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| 14:38 | <warren> oh
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| 14:38 | ok
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> but i know ogra has wanted something better, and making use of the *.desktop files is probably a good move
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| 14:39 | <warren> lots of code though
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> not ridiculous
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| 14:40 | <warren> vagrantc, does Debian have sessions in .desktop files somewhere?
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| 14:40 | ls /usr/share/xsessions/
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| 14:40 | gnome.desktop kde.desktop
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> warren: in debian etch, in /usr/share/xsessions
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| 14:40 | <warren> vagrantc, ok good, we at least have the same thing there
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| 14:40 | same location
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> same in sid
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| 14:41 | file format seems pretty simple ...
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| 14:42 | some .desktop files seem to have Exec with full paths, some without any pathing
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| 14:42 | <warren> vagrantc, TryExec?
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| 14:43 | * vagrantc wonders what's the difference between Exec and TryExec ... | |
| 14:43 | <warren> vagrantc, TryExec needs to be tested for executability
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> most only have Exec
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| 14:43 | <warren> our desktop team guys said TryExec should be tested
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| 14:43 | I suppose if TryExec doesnt' exist, then use Exec instead
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> right
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| 14:46 | <warren> vagrantc, want to write that code for ldminfod?
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| 14:53 | vagrantc, does this mean ldm can pass to ldminfod *any* pathname and binary to run?
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> warren: other way around
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| 14:59 | warren: or am i misunderstanding?
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| 14:59 | <warren> vagrantc, hmm
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| 14:59 | vagrantc, nm
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> warren: ldminfod merely provides the list of things that could be executed on the server
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| 15:00 | (and list of locales)
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| 15:00 | and some sort of load measure ...
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| 15:00 | <warren> for now I hard coded a session in my ldminfod
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| 15:01 | vagrantc, can you write parsing of the .desktop files while we work on other parts?
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> heh. that's one way
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| 15:01 | * warren trying to figure out a way to handle the locale -a output... | |
| 15:01 | <warren> the list is too long
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| 15:01 | kaboom
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> warren: i could easily write the ldminfod side, but i'd have a harder time with modifying ldm itself
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| 15:02 | <warren> vagrantc, well parsing the .desktop file to get the sessions list doesn't require ldm modification
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> warren: every single fedora machine supports every single locale that fedora supports?
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| 15:02 | <warren> vagrantc, no
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| 15:02 | vagrantc, but locale -a outputs everything glibc supports
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> warren: why do y'all have so many locales? :)
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| 15:02 | ah.
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| 15:03 | <warren> vagrantc, given that glibc's upstream developers work for Red Hat...
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| 15:03 | and wrote the locale tool itself...
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> -a, --all-locales
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| 15:03 | Write names of available locales.
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| 15:04 | <warren> In Red Hat it seems to print EVERYTHING glibc knows about
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> sounds like fedora's locale command is broken, unless that's a debian-specific patch
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| 15:04 | <warren> might be
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> warren: have you made patches to ldminfod in your ltsp-fedora branch?
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| 15:05 | <warren> vagrantc, only one
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> ah, got it
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| 15:06 | warren: might be good to start working on feature-specific branches ...
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| 15:06 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, the one change I pushed upstream didn't break anyone yet
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> warren: yeah, but to merge your ldminfod changes without merging everything else ... the cherry picking support in bzr has some weaknesses
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| 15:11 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, we can use a feature specific branch for further changes
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| 15:14 | vagrantc, parsing .desktop files instead of using alternatives can go into ldminfod as-is right?
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| 15:14 | vagrantc, doesn't require changes to anything else
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> warren: it could be implemented, yes.
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| 15:15 | <cliebow_> WOOT! stopped that infernal beeping..
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| 15:15 | <warren> vagrantc, do you plan on working on that part? I need to know what to work on next.
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> warren: i can probably get that working, sure.
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| 15:16 | <warren> vagrantc, ok, I'll work on figuring out a better way to handle getting a list of languages to the ldm client
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| 15:16 | vagrantc, I'll be back in a few hours, meeting
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| 15:16 | <cliebow_> great to see you guys working so well together..
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> warren: should i merge the change you made to ldminfod ... or just focus on the *.desktop parsing ?
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| 15:17 | <warren> vagrantc, I guess might as well merge that too.
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| 15:17 | vagrantc, doesn't hurt anything right?
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| 15:17 | vagrantc, lots of other things we should probably merge
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| 15:17 | vagrantc, but I need you and ogra to buy in first.
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> warren: *most* of your changes seem ok to merge upstream, i think.
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| 15:18 | <warren> vagrantc, oh btw, we came to an agreement with our tftp maintainer
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> warren: on?
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| 15:18 | <warren> vagrantc, our scripts will see whatever tftp-server is using as its base directory and use that.
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| 15:18 | vagrantc, that way it can change our scripts don't need to.
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> warren: good.
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| 15:18 | <warren> vagrantc, Fedora 8 uses /tftpboot while Fedora 9+ uses /var/lib/tftp
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| 15:19 | <vagrantc> warren: which tftp server are you using?
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| 15:19 | <warren> uhh...
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| 15:19 | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/network/tftp/
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| 15:19 | * vagrantc waits patiently | |
| 15:19 | <vagrantc> supports pxe now?
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| 15:19 | <warren> eh?
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> for years, that didn't support some options required for most pxe implementations
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| 15:20 | i've used tftpd-hpa and atftpd instead mostly
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| 15:20 | <warren> vagrantc, seems to work fine for us
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> ah, good.
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| 15:20 | <warren> vagrantc, we have other tools using PXE regularly
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| 15:20 | we need some binary from syslinux to do it
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> pxelinux.0 or whatever ...
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| 15:21 | <warren> yeah
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> anyways ...
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| 15:21 | <warren> a solution for the locale -a problem will require changes to both ldminfod and ldm itself
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| 15:21 | I'm picking the brain of our two gdm people
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> good
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| 15:21 | <warren> they're rewriting the language display/selection part right now
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| 15:22 | of gdm
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| 15:22 | I wonder if ldm client capability can just be a feature of gdm
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| 15:22 | we're reinventing the wheel in a few ways
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> ideally, i'd like to get a human-friendly valuedisplayed to the user in ldm's session selection
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| 15:23 | <warren> vagrantc, yeah, that'll be part of my changes too
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> warren: we've long hoped that gdm would someday just incorporate ldm functionality
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| 15:23 | <warren> vagrantc, after you get done with .desktop parsing I'll improve on top of that
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| 15:23 | vagrantc, your part wont require changes to ldm itself.
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| 15:23 | gotta go now
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| 15:23 | bbl
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> warren: well, i've got code to parse the desktop files ... not sure if i need to coerce it to feed ldm a full path
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| 16:24 | some desktop files provide full paths, some do not
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| 16:27 | * vagrantc is floundering finding the python equivalent of "which" | |
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| 16:41 | <warren> vagrantc, oh
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| 16:41 | vagrantc, I just talked with our desktop team again. they said python has a "config parser" or something that can read .desktop files.
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| 16:41 | http://docs.python.org/lib/module-ConfigParser.html
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| 16:41 | <warren> no idea how it works yet
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> i've had to use that before, and it was a nightmare
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| 16:42 | <warren> ok
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| 16:42 | good to know
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> but it may be my own inability
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| 16:44 | might be worth using in the future, when we want to start implementing better names and such
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| 16:44 | <warren> yeah
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| 16:44 | <vagrantc> but for right now, we're just pulling out Exec or TryExec
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| 16:44 | <warren> vagrantc, pushed your implementation?
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| 16:45 | vagrantc, hmm... I guess python wouldn't successfully run without a full path?
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| 16:46 | <vagrantc> warren: haven't pushed yet - i'm a little uncomfortable sending out a test weather the binary exists or not
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| 16:46 | s,sending out,sending without,
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| 16:47 | i don't know if ldm will require the full path or not ... could try it, i guess.
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| 16:47 | <warren> ok, I have to commute in 15 minutes
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| 16:48 | * vagrantc tests it out | |
| 16:48 | <warren> vagrantc, "for dpath in os.environ['PATH'].split(os.pathsep): for fname in os.listdir(dpath): ... etc"
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> warren: yeah, that's what i was looking at implementing ... a good deal more complicated than i would have liked, but whatever
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| 16:50 | sometimes the simplest things in shell are painful in python
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| 16:51 | seems to work without the full paths just fine
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| 16:52 | <warren> vagrantc, ok good.
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| 16:52 | vagrantc, now I only need to deal with the "locale -a" too big issue
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> but i still would hate to display a session that wasn't really available
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| 16:52 | <warren> vagrantc, but I'll do this outside of the upstream trunk
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| 16:52 | <warren> vagrantc, well how are .desktop files appearing there if it isn't available?
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| 16:53 | <vagrantc> warren: well, in /etc/dmsessions or whatever ... if the sysadmin creates a custom session
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| 16:54 | <warren> vagrantc, if they create a custom session that doesn't exist, then that's their problem
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> warren: sure, i guess.
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| 16:55 | <warren> gotta leave in 5 minutes
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| 16:55 | ogra, please review ltsp-fedora branch, we really gotta get stuff merged back into ltsp-trunk
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| 16:56 | vagrantc, <lmacken> warren: which = lambda x: join(filter(lambda y: x in os.listdir(y), filter(os.path.isdir, os.environ.get('PATH').split(':')))[0], x)
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| 16:57 | ogra, bzr://bzr.fedorahosted.org/bzr/k12ltsp/ltsp-fedora
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| 16:57 | bbl
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> subprocess.command('which', FOO)
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| 16:59 | hrm... something like that
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> subprocess.call(['/bin/which',FOO])
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| 17:03 | <stgraber> subprocess.Popen(("which",arg),stdout=subprocess.PIPE).stdout().read() ?
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| 17:04 | <vagrantc> i don't actually need the output, just the return code, so .call is good enough
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