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Channel log from 19 December 2016 (all times are UTC)
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| 15:56 | <jonathan_> Hi, i like implement a ltsp with 20 clients (raspberries) can tell me anything i need to know like: known issues, recommended versions... Thanks
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| 15:58 | <||cw> will they all be pi3 ?
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| 16:01 | <jonathan_> yes, pi3b but they have not yet been purchased
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| 16:22 | <||cw> you can enable PXE booting for pi3, which will make ongoing maintenance easier, and make it more of a standard LTSP setup. the only tricker is manually maintaining the kernels, I'm not sure if those are updated in kernel packages in a repo
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> !cheap-client
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| 16:34 | <ltsp> cheap-client: http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_343636.html
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> jonathan_: the best advice is not to use rpi's, but x86-based clients like the one above ^
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| 16:35 | rpi is not suitable for desktop, office, browsing and multimedia
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| 16:35 | It's fine for other tasks like programming and meteo stations
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| 16:36 | (actually, not programming, only for teaching programming... you can't compile serious projects with rpi)
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| 16:48 | <alkisg> !raspberrypi
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| 16:48 | <ltsp> raspberrypi: (#1) Ubuntu/LTSP on Pi 2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi, or (#2) Debian/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#3) unofficial Ubuntu/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://pinet.org.uk/
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| 17:18 | <JerryT> Hom can I restart ltsp-pnp fan clients?
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| 17:19 | *How
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| 18:06 | <bennabiy> I have had a funny situation happening when I take an ltsp-pnp generated image, extract it to a directory for a chroot, rebuild the image, it does not pick up the new image. It still boots the old image until I build a fat client image from scratch, and then move the chroot and such out of the way before I can get it to see that I have a different image, even if I force it to grab that image in dhcp etc
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| 18:07 | Not sure if that made a lick of sense, but it has been somewhat frustrating
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| 18:09 | Usually on the server, I get it mostly set up how I need it, but there is a lot of stuff which I could go crazy trying to pluck out, but could handle in a chroot environment to remove (like crontab entries, crypttab entries - selectively)
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| 18:57 | <alkisg> JerryT: normally, from the menus, either from the session or from ldm (login screen) or from epoptes
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| 18:57 | bennabiy: you can use lts.conf commands to remove stuff, like INIT_COMMAND_01="rm -rf /path/to/file"
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| 18:58 | bennabiy: it doesn't make sense that it uses the old file, yeah, so maybe you didn't restart nbd server?
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| 18:58 | <bennabiy> alkisg: forced a reload, restarted etc, nothing worked until I built something with ltsp-build-client
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| 18:58 | even though I did not use the created chroot
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| 18:59 | <alkisg> bennabiy: are you talking about nbd, nfs, or tftp (initramfs)?
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| 18:59 | How did you check that the new system was not loaded?
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| 19:02 | <bennabiy> thin vs fat, ltsp default ldm screen vs custom one
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| 19:02 | nbd
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| 19:03 | <alkisg> !nbd-client
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| 19:03 | <ltsp> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 19:03 | <alkisg> This is how to test if your nbd-server servers the correct image
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| 19:03 | I.e. run that command from any client, either a booted system or even from the initramfs
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| 19:04 | Did you re-use the old image name (i386.img) or did you use a new one (i386-modified.img)?
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| 19:05 | <bennabiy> I restarted isc-dhcp-server tftpd-hpa nbd-server etc multiple times
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| 19:05 | when it worked?
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> I'm asking two things, (1) did you try to manually run nbd-client like I wrote above^?
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| 19:06 | And (2) ls /opt/ltsp/images, does that show one image or two?
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| 19:06 | <bennabiy> it showed one image, and then when I updated the images it made a second image
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| 19:06 | I am not at the computer now
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| 19:07 | I just have noticed this happen twice now
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| 19:07 | I will test out what you suggested when it happens again
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> If you are using two images, then you probably didn't configure them properly
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| 19:07 | <lucascastro> Hello, days ago I've trying to use banana PI as thin client, but no success, ldm doesn't open up, I've started an shell then 'ssh -X' in server and called mate-session and worked fine.
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| 19:08 | is there some hint to debug why ldm isn't working?
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| 19:08 | <bennabiy> alkisg: I have no problems having multiple images in /opt/ltsp/images and have been able to tell dhcp to issue one or the other just fine
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| 19:08 | !pi
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| 19:08 | <ltsp> Error: "pi" is not a valid command.
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| 19:08 | <lucascastro> from inside shell I've first called startx,
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> bennabiy: run that nbd-client command when you have a chance, and we'll see if it's an nbd-server issue or not. I haven't seen any such issue all these years.
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| 19:13 | <bennabiy> alkisg: will do
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> lucascastro: do you have epoptes installed?
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| 19:13 | !epoptes
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| 19:13 | <ltsp> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> Eh that bot sleeps :)
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| 19:13 | <lucascastro> I have in another machine, that I was working on, I'm going to install it right now.
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| 19:13 | bennabiy, I've already deploy ltsp for raspberry with nfs chroot.
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> lucascastro: so, I only have a little time, but if you manage to get access to the client via epoptes, ping me to have a look
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| 19:13 | <lucascastro> ok
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> Heh the bot woke up :D
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| 19:14 | <bennabiy> alkisg: quite the delay...
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> ltsp.org is on a really really lame server... :-/
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| 19:26 | <bennabiy> alkisg: at least it is free, right?
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| 19:26 | <bennabiy> Of course, there are certain free things which I would not want...
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| 19:26 | <alkisg> No idea, but we have access to a lot of better servers...
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| 19:27 | <bennabiy> Who decides where it is hosted?
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| 19:27 | <alkisg> We haven't gone to great lengths of discussion about it:)
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| 19:28 | I'm guessing if we ping jammcq, he wouldn't object too much to move it...
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| 19:28 | But noone really really wants to spend time in doing the move
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| 19:28 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 19:28 | understood
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| 19:32 | <lucascastro> ping alkisg
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| 19:38 | <alkisg> lucascastro: hey
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| 19:38 | !vnc-edide
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| 19:38 | <ltsp> vnc-edide: To share your screen with me, open Epoptes → Help menu → Remote support → Host: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr, and click the Connect button
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| 19:38 | <alkisg> Do that ^
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| 19:38 | <lucascastro> ok
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| 19:40 | done.
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| 19:40 | that's good.
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| 19:41 | the image I'm using is /opt/ltsp/stretch/bpi-stretch
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> lucascastro: boot the client
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| 19:42 | <lucascastro> reboot it right now
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| 19:42 | I'm using another vm to server dhcp settings
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| 19:42 | <alkisg> OK
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| 19:43 | You do see the client in epoptes, right?
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| 19:43 | <lucascastro> root password
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| 19:43 | 123
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> :)
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| 19:44 | I don't see the client though
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| 19:44 | Did you add epoptes-client in the chroot etc?
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| 19:44 | <lucascastro> yes... and copied the certificate
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> I don't see the client so I can't debug it
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> Can you run this as root on the client?
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| 19:46 | E.g. in screen_02=shell there?
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| 19:46 | EPOPTES_CLIENT_VERIFY_CERTIFICATE=False LTSP_FATCLIENT=True epoptes-client srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
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| 19:46 | This will connect the client to me so that I can debug
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| 19:46 | <lucascastro> ok
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| 19:46 | <alkisg> All in one line
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| 19:47 | <lucascastro> from banana pi client client right?
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 19:49 | * alkisg hopes the client does have internet access... | |
| 19:49 | <alkisg> Otherwise run the same command but use 192.168.122.2 instead
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| 19:53 | epoptes didn't receive any connections at all
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| 19:54 | <lucascastro> doing right now
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| 19:54 | I've confused
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| 19:54 | you said from shell and I was doing start an mate-session for that. but by the way, done
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| 19:54 | you received?
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| 19:54 | <alkisg> Yup got it finally
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| 19:56 | <lucascastro> did you try to start ldm?
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| 19:56 | <alkisg> I ran chvt 9
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| 19:56 | To activate screen 9
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| 19:57 | [ 834.812] (EE) AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0
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| 19:57 | <lucascastro> just line blink
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> Xorg issues there
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| 19:57 | <lucascastro> I was looking for how to set the xorg
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> Is a xorg.conf needed?
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| 19:57 | <lucascastro> but no issue?
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| 19:57 | but no result*
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| 19:58 | I don't know if it's needed
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| 19:58 | startx works
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| 19:58 | calling from shell, startx works
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| 19:58 | <alkisg> is xterm running now?
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| 19:59 | <lucascastro> yes
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| 19:59 | <JerryT> Any reason ltsp would be extremely slow and act like it's got a horrible refresh rate?
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| 19:59 | <lucascastro> so if I connect "ssh -X" in ltsp server and call mate-session it works
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| 19:59 | <alkisg> JerryT: thin or fat clients?
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| 19:59 | <JerryT> I was fine on Friday. We could watch You Tube on a Fat Client at 1080p no problem.
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| 19:59 | Now we can't even scroll through a website.
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| 20:00 | Fat
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| 20:00 | ltsp-pnp
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| 20:00 | <alkisg> JerryT: no, there shouldn't be any reasons for that behaviour
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| 20:02 | <JerryT> Yah, it's very bizare. It's like on Friday before I left I broke hardware acceleration but I don't recall doing much. Was just playing with mate panels.
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> Check the output of `getltscfg -a` on the client *root* shell
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| 20:02 | <lucascastro> ok
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| 20:02 | me?
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> lucascastro: no, JerryT...
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| 20:02 | <lucascastro> ahah
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> I'm trying to see why your xorg doesn't start
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| 20:02 | <lucascastro> ij
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| 20:03 | ok
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| 20:05 | <alkisg> lucascastro: I'll reboot the client, ok?
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| 20:06 | <lucascastro> ok
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| 20:08 | <lucascastro> alkisg, just worked
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 20:08 | <lucascastro> what was it the solution?
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> So, bananapi breaks with color depth=16
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| 20:08 | So you need X_SMART_COLOR_DEPTH=False in lts.conf
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| 20:08 | <lucascastro> ok thanks.
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| 20:08 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 20:09 | <lucascastro> alkisg, do you have funding to working in free software?
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> No
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| 20:09 | <alkisg> :(
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| 20:10 | <lucascastro> so... really thank, that will help me very much
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| 20:11 | I hope write about banana pi and LTSP working together
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| 20:12 | <alkisg> Do you have a large deployment of banana pis?
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| 20:13 | <lucascastro> alkisg, not yet. But I want to deploy where I work, it's about 60 computers
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| 20:14 | I preparing to show to my manner, ltsp, banana pi and ovirt working together
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| 20:14 | <alkisg> Why choose bananapi instead of a normal small pc like e.g. this one?
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| 20:14 | !cheap-client
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| 20:14 | <ltsp> cheap-client: http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_343636.html
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| 20:14 | <lucascastro> in Brazil is no so cheap, and I didn't find that over here .
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| 20:15 | <alkisg> So it's a matter of price? I imagine that you could easily order from the internet, 60*60 euros = 3600... is that much more than banana pis?
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| 20:16 | <lucascastro> Brazil taxes is about 90% including the shipping value
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| 20:16 | <alkisg> And banana pis don't get taxes?
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| 20:17 | <lucascastro> it gets, but I buy over here by 150 reais, 1 euros = 3.50 reais
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| 20:18 | <lucascastro> But I've mailed my friend requesting for prices take cheap-client to Brazil.
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| 20:18 | I did that the first time you mentioned
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| 20:19 | I'm gonna wait the reply, so if get a good prices I'll appreciate to use it
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| 20:21 | <JerryT> alkisg,
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| 20:21 | So I go CTRL+F1 and then login as root?
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| 20:21 | Then run that command?
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> !screen_07
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| 20:21 | <ltsp> Error: "screen_07" is not a valid command.
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| 20:21 | <alkisg> !screen_02
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| 20:21 | <ltsp> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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| 20:24 | <JerryT> alkisg, I logged in, su to root and then ran it. Says the file is not found, /etc/lts.conf
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| 20:25 | <alkisg> JerryT: is that on the client or on the serveR?
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| 20:26 | <JerryT> client
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| 20:27 | <alkisg> Do you have an lts.conf on the server, that the clients are supposed to read?
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| 20:33 | <JerryT> alkisg, yes
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| 20:33 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> They are not getting it though
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| 20:33 | Maybe wrong dhcp settings...
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| 20:34 | <JerryT> Hrmm
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| 20:34 | what provides dhcp, dnsmasq?
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> yes
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| 20:37 | Which distro/version is that?
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| 20:38 | <JerryT> Ubuntu 16.04.1
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| 20:39 | dhcp-boot=net:ltsp,/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
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