IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 October 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:21 | <work_alkisg> gbaman: check http://www.epoptes.org/documentation/fat-clients or just use `ssh -XC server-ip epoptes`
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| 09:03 | * alkisg can't find which script generates /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/memtest ... | |
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| 09:10 | <alkisg> !learn alkisg-todo as replace "kernel memtest86+.bin" with "linux memtest86+.bin"
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| 09:10 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 09:11 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ^
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| 09:12 | Hmmm maybe we removed support for it... ah, yup:
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| 09:12 | timestamp: Thu 2013-12-26 10:06:17 -0800
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| 09:12 | message:
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| 09:12 | update-kernels: Drop support for memtest86*, which generated an un-used
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| 09:12 | pxelinux.cfg/memtest file that required manual configuration to use.
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| 09:13 | !alkisg-todo
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| 09:13 | <ltsp> alkisg-todo: (#1) support xnbd-proxy for local caching: https://bitbucket.org/hirofuchi/xnbd/wiki/Home#!scenario-2-simple-proxy-server-distributed-copy-on-write, or (#2) replace "kernel memtest86+.bin" with "linux memtest86+.bin"
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| 09:13 | <alkisg> !forget alkisg-todo 2
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| 09:13 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> !learn alkisg-todo as replace "kernel memtest86+.bin" with "linux memtest86+.bin", see r1516
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| 09:14 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 13:40 | <markit> !seen markit
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| 13:40 | <ltsp> markit was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 53 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <markit> maybe I know why, sorry for the noise
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| 13:40 | <markit> !seen alkisg
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| 13:40 | <ltsp> alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 4 hours, 25 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <alkisg> !learn alkisg-todo as replace "kernel memtest86+.bin" with "linux memtest86+.bin", see r1516
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| 13:40 | <markit> !seen phantomas
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| 13:40 | <ltsp> phantomas was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 0 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <Phantomas> if the issue reappears please let me know here or in launchpad though!
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| 13:59 | <Hyperbyte> mhm
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| 17:54 | <teste> ola amigos
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| 17:55 | preciso muito de uma ajuda
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| 17:55 | meus clientes desconectam sozinhos...e n'ao voltam mais a tela do epoptes alguem sabe como resolver isso...uso 18 computadores multiterminais...
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| 17:56 | My fatclientes disconnect alone and reconnect n'ao more
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| 17:57 | * vagrantc sighs | |
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| 18:57 | <Leolo_3> what's the git repo for ltsp?
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: it uses bzr
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| 18:58 | Leolo_3: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/
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| 19:04 | <Leolo_3> got it
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| 19:04 | ok, so Redhat doesn't have 50-rm-system-services
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| 19:06 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: looks like that's correct
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| 19:09 | <Leolo_3> next question : init-scripts are called from init=/sbin/init-ltsp, right?
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> what do you mean by "init-scripts" ?
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| 19:09 | <Leolo_3> ... is the / fs writable at that point? (must be)
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> the init-ltsp.d hooks?
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| 19:09 | <Leolo_3> init-ltsp.d/* yeah
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> on debian
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| 19:11 | on debian it's usually made writeable by the initramfs
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| 19:11 | so yes, it's writeable.
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| 19:11 | <Leolo_3> on centos, that happens in rc.sysinit
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> but i think some distros may make it writeable in early hooks in init-ltsp.d
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| 19:12 | or later, i guess.
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| 19:12 | the design assumption was that it would be writeable.
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| 19:12 | at least, a hook early in init-ltsp.d would make it writeable, so later scripts can assume that
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| 19:12 | <Leolo_3> 00-overlay does this, I assume
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| 19:12 | <vagrantc> distros not doing that are arguably broken
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| 19:13 | <Leolo_3> well 50-fstab writes to /etc, so there's that
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| 19:14 | * vagrantc isn't very familiar with the other distros | |
| 19:15 | <Leolo_3> no worries
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| 19:18 | <alkisg_web> !alkisg-todo
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| 19:18 | <ltsp> alkisg-todo: (#1) support xnbd-proxy for local caching: https://bitbucket.org/hirofuchi/xnbd/wiki/Home#!scenario-2-simple-proxy-server-distributed-copy-on-write, or (#2) replace "kernel memtest86+.bin" with "linux memtest86+.bin", see r1516
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| 19:19 | <alkisg_web> vagrantc: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2516/client/share/ltsp/update-kernels
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| 19:19 | "kernel memtest.bin" doesn't work because of the .bin extension
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| 19:20 | But if we change that to "linux memtest86+.bin", then it does work
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| 19:20 | Was that the reason for the memtest removal from the auto-generated menu?
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| 19:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg_web: that wasn't the reason to remove it, no
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| 19:21 | <alkisg_web> Wouldn't it be nice to have it at the bottom of the menu?
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| 19:21 | <Leolo_3> is there no 50-add-system-services ?
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| 19:21 | <vagrantc> alkisg_web: feel free to re-add it.
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| 19:21 | <alkisg_web> keep_system_services, but not "add"
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| 19:21 | <Leolo_3> or do I have to add that to /opt/ltsp and then remove for specific clients?
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| 19:22 | <alkisg_web> vagrantc: ok
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg_web: but make sure it works :)
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| 19:22 | <alkisg_web> Always!
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| 19:22 | <Leolo_3> alkisg - I can't find that
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: it's a variable, not an init-ltsp.d snippet
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| 19:23 | <alkisg_web> grep for KEEP_SYSTEM_SERVICES
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| 19:23 | <Leolo_3> right
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| 19:23 | found it
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| 19:23 | that's close to what I mean, but not exactly
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| 19:23 | <alkisg_web> What do you mean?
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| 19:23 | <Leolo_3> say I have chroot /opt/ltsp/images/i386 chkconfig sshd off
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| 19:24 | that will turn off sshd for *all clients*
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| 19:24 | now I want to turn it back on for one single client (via lts.conf)
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| 19:24 | there's no ADD_SYSTEM_SERVICES
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| 19:24 | <alkisg_web> Ah, that's not the case in debian-based systems, you can't have "disabled" services there, but in /etc/default/some-file, which can't be automatically enabled
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| 19:24 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: you can put your own snippets in place...
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| 19:24 | <alkisg_web> ENABLE_SYSTEM_SERVICES would be more appropriate than ADD, right?
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| 19:25 | <Leolo_3> yes
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| 19:25 | <alkisg_web> I think that would need to be distro-specific
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| 19:25 | <Leolo_3> I say ADD because you already have RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES
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| 19:25 | <alkisg_web> ADD doesn't make sense in debian though...
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> i think systemd might have support for that sort of behavior, too
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| 19:25 | <Leolo_3> does RM make sense in debian?
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> yes, because it removes the files
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| 19:26 | <alkisg_web> It's not "DISABLE", it's "DELETE", so yeah
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| 19:26 | I.e. you can't even manually start sshd after the client boots
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| 19:26 | The service isn't there at all anymore
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| 19:26 | <Leolo_3> alkisg - woah
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> though it would be interesting to implement ENABLE/DISABLE ...
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| 19:27 | really need to look at systemd integration a little more in the next few days
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| 19:27 | <alkisg_web> upstart had .override files... I don't know how to do that in sysvinit though
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| 19:27 | <Leolo_3> in centos, if I can get a shell on a client, I can type "service sshd start" and have sshd running
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| 19:27 | <alkisg_web> RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES deletes the sshd init script so you can't do that with the script deleted
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| 19:27 | <Leolo_3> centos 5 is sysvinit, centos 6 is upstart and sysvinit (mostly the later), centos 7 is systemd
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| 19:28 | I'm working on CentOS 6. Ideally I'll never touch systemd
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| 19:28 | <alkisg_web> systemd will probably allow us to have much common code there about managing services...
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| 19:28 | * vagrantc nods | |
| 19:28 | <Leolo_3> alkisg - you probably know this, but turning a service off in centos means deleting symlinks in /etc/rc.d/rcN.d
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| 19:28 | where N is the runlevel
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| 19:29 | on debian, do you even delete /usr/sbin/sshd ?
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| 19:29 | <wouter> alkisg_web: note that xnbd isn't compatible with regular nbd anymore, due to a fuckup on my side
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc> no
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| 19:30 | <Leolo_3> so one could run sshd by hand
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 19:30 | but, not a great idea
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| 19:30 | <alkisg_web> wouter: ouch... is that to be fixed in future releases?
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| 19:30 | <Leolo_3> no
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| 19:30 | but for debuging something it might be useful
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg_web: what was the reason for deleting the actualy init cript rather than the symlink?
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| 19:31 | alkisg_web: so upstart wouldn't run it?
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| 19:31 | <alkisg_web> vagrantc: I think the main problem was "too much to do in only a little time due to release schedule" :)
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| 19:31 | On second thought, what Leolo_3 said makes a lot of sense, but, I think the .override files would be needed as well
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| 19:32 | (for upstart)
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| 19:32 | <wouter> alkisg_web: not sure.
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| 19:32 | * vagrantc is fast approaching some release schedule deadlines | |
| 19:32 | <wouter> the extra commands it uses to do distributed stuff use command numbers that were defined to mean something else in the kernel later on
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| 19:33 | <alkisg_web> wouter: my goal is to have read-only nbd root device, cached to local disk... I looked at bcache etc, but I think xnbd targets the problem better...
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| 19:33 | If you have any hints on that goal, they'd be most welcome...
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| 19:33 | <wouter> alkisg_web: not sure, really
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| 19:34 | <alkisg_web> With ssd disks becoming common in the near future, local caching will speed up things a lot
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| 19:34 | Having 500 MB/sec on disk, vs 10 MB/sec with a good network, is no real comparison...
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| 19:34 | <wouter> alkisg_web: I intend to talk to the xnbd maintainer to see whether we can fix things up again
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| 19:35 | hasn't happened yet, though
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| 19:35 | <alkisg_web> Thanks, that'd be very nice
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| 19:35 | <vagrantc> alkisg_web: i'm starting to think translations on a separate branch that we manually merge in now and then would be better...
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| 19:35 | <alkisg_web> vagrantc: no objections at all :)
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| 19:35 | * vagrantc only objection is time | |
| 19:36 | <vagrantc> it's still dumping commits which change only a few datestrings and no content
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| 19:36 | <alkisg_web> In ltsp-trunk too? Or just in ldm-trunk?
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| 19:36 | * alkisg_web checks... | |
| 19:37 | <alkisg_web> Meh...
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| 19:44 | <wouter> alkisg_web: for reference, xnbd-server defines command 3 as NBD_CMD_BGCOPY and command 4 as NBD_CMD_READ_COMPRESS, which are defined as NBD_CMD_FLUSH and NBD_CMD_TRIM, respectively, in the kernel implementation
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| 19:46 | <vagrantc> alkisg_web: thankfully, that last one in ltsp was only one file like that.... don't really get the rhyme or reason to what it's actually doing.
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| 19:46 | <alkisg_web> Maybe someone commiting translations in launchpad without actually changing anything...
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| 19:47 | Good night all :)
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| 20:31 | <Leolo_3> ok, 50-rm is now working
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| 20:31 | how do I submit a patch?
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| 20:42 | <Leolo_3> https://code.launchpad.net/~philipgwyn/ltsp/ltsp-rhel # 50-rm for CentOS
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| 20:48 | next problem : 50-swap is using NBD, even if I don't have NBD setup anywhere
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| 20:48 | it need to detect NFS and either use that, or just exit
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| 20:52 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: i don't know what the current state of swap over NFS is, but for quite some time it didn't work
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| 20:52 | Leolo_3: at any rate, it should be harmless if it isn't available
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| 20:52 | Leolo_3: you can also set NBD_SWAP=false in lts.conf to disble it
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: you shouldn't use "function" for defining functions in /bin/sh ... that's a bashism
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| 21:13 | Leolo_3: so, other than the lists of services, it's all the same code...
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| 21:14 | some minor adjustments, of course
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| 21:16 | Leolo_3: it's also simpler to "rm -f /path/to/file" than "test -f /path/to/file && rm -f /path/to/file"
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| 21:18 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: missing services shouldn't cause problems, so i'm wondering if we shouldn't just merge the lists of services and move it into the client/share/init-ltsp.d/ ?
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| 22:27 | <Leolo_3> vagrant - read the code, it's test -f /path/to/file && rm -f /path/with/wildcards/file
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| 22:27 | <vagrantc> ah, that could go badly, sure
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| 22:28 | well, actually, no, that should still be fine.
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| 22:28 | rm -f doesn't care if the files exist or not.
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| 22:28 | i don't think you need to test if the files exist.
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| 22:29 | <Leolo_3> well I do with http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~philipgwyn/ltsp/ltsp-rhel/revision/2606
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| 22:29 | which also supports upstart
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| 22:29 | hmmm... rm -f could work for both
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| 22:30 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: so, the only substantive difference i see is checking a different directory for files to remove and a different list of services
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| 22:30 | Leolo_3: could it work to use the same list of services? missing services won't harm anything.
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| 22:31 | <Leolo_3> yes
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| 22:31 | actually, I don't know if upstart is started on the client
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| 22:31 | I'll have to check
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| 22:32 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: also, the redhat family of distros could use some more maintenance ... not sure who or where or ho it gets updated, if at all.
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| 22:33 | <Leolo_3> looking at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files/head:/client/ it doesn't seem to have been touched since 2013
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| 22:33 | which is why I'm working on this now
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| 22:34 | vagrantc - 09-hostname seems... wrong to me
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| 22:35 | <vagrantc> i've definitely been updating files in that directory...
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| 22:35 | <Leolo_3> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/files/head:/client/Redhat/ hasn't changed since 2013
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| 22:35 | <vagrantc> oh, you mean the Redhat dir, yeah.
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| 22:37 | Leolo_3: "wrong" is a bit vague...
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| 22:37 | <Leolo_3> ./client/Redhat/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/09-hostname and ./client/Gentoo/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/09-hostname seem to be identical to ./client/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/09-hostname, except they don't look at HOSTNAME_DOMAIN and DNSDOMAIN
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| 22:37 | <vagrantc> Leolo_3: and underwhelmingly unhelpful :P
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| 22:37 | <Leolo_3> sorry
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| 22:38 | having a client named 12341231234123.some.domain is annoying for me
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| 22:38 | ltsp 4 would get the client hostname via named (iirc)
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| 22:39 | via dns reverse lookup, that is
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| 22:40 | <vagrantc> and that happens too
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| 22:40 | <Leolo_3> it does ?
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| 22:40 | <vagrantc> but if it fails to happen, there are fallbacks
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| 22:40 | though i've mostly run in setups without DNS
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| 22:40 | but when i've had DNS, it tends to work as expected
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| 22:41 | <Leolo_3> doesn't 09-hostname overide anything but lts.conf
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> but a lot of LTSP is fairly distro-specific ...
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| 22:41 | <Leolo_3> maybe my memory is wrong
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| 22:41 | i'll have to look into it tomorrow
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| 22:41 | <vagrantc> only if it's not already set
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| 22:41 | and the dhcp client should set it
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| 22:42 | <Leolo_3> HOSTNAME comes from the dhcp client?
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| 22:42 | actually, ignore this for now
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| 22:42 | i'll look into it tomorrow
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| 22:43 | but you might want to look into the difference between ./client/Redhat/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/09-hostname and ./client/Gentoo/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/09-hostname and ./client/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d/09-hostname and merge them
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| 22:45 | <vagrantc> i only make changes to distros i can support
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