IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 April 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:16 | <Bhaskar> USB printer support ot not in k12ltsp in FC5 ? I have trying from 7days but not get success to set up Canon 2900 LBP USB printer?? Pls help me
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| 00:19 | ogra, can u help me?
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| 00:27 | <Bhaskar> gonzaloaf_laptop, can u help me?
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| 00:28 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> Bhaskar, it depends on what kind of help you need, just ask your question
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| 00:35 | <Lumiere> does LTSP do USB printers?
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| 00:35 | <Bhaskar> gonzaloaf_laptop, USB printer support ot not in k12ltsp in FC5 ? I have trying from 7days but not get success to set up Canon 2900 LBP USB printer?? Pls help me
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| 00:35 | <Lumiere> Bhaskar: do you have any parallel printers?
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| 00:36 | <Bhaskar> Lumiere, ya
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| 00:36 | Lumiere, i am trying USB printer but not getting success
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| 00:37 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> Bhaskar, I'm sorry I just use ltsp 4.2 in Ubuntu and never tried printer support
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| 00:37 | Bhaskar, have you checked the linuxprinting web page?
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| 00:37 | <Bhaskar> ya
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| 00:37 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> Bhaskar, is there a driver?
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| 00:38 | <Bhaskar> ya, i have install driver
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| 00:38 | but not support USB printer
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| 02:05 | <Bhaskar> gonzaloaf_laptop, i got success on printer
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| 02:05 | gonzaloaf_laptop, now can u help me about sound?
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| 02:05 | gonzaloaf_laptop, sound card is detected but not play why?
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| 02:06 | dem, are u there?
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| 02:11 | Anybody is there? I need help on sound problem?? in k12ltsp
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| 02:15 | vanya, are u there?
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| 02:16 | <vanya> I am here, but I can't help
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| 02:16 | if someone can - he will
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| 02:17 | <Bhaskar> vanya, ok
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| 02:18 | gonzaloaf_work, can u help me ?
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| 02:18 | <vanya> you can also try to ask this is mail list
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| 03:26 | <Bhaskar> ogra, are u there? can u help me about sound setup?
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| 03:58 | <Bhaskar> parsley, hello
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| 04:52 | <Bhaskar> Anyone can help me about sound on K12ltsp
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| 06:32 | <FuL|OUT> back
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| 06:32 | finally seems to work better now
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| 06:32 | still got a few issues
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| 06:32 | some apps doesn't start
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| 06:32 | :|
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| 06:32 | namely firefox
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| 06:45 | <FuL|OUT> how can we change the keyboard layout on the thin clients?
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| 07:02 | * kaminski-ltsp-br is back | |
| 07:09 | <vanya> what is the minimal memory requirement without using swap to use two X terminals on LTSP client? Doesn't 60 MB sufficient for this?..
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| 07:13 | looks like 60 MB is not sufficient for two X sessions
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| 07:13 | client crashes after some time..
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| 07:15 | <rjune> memory in the terminal or memory in the server?
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| 07:16 | <vanya> in the terminal ofcourse
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| 07:17 | <rjune> 128 would be my guess
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| 07:19 | <vanya> Xnest from X works good for my purposes
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| 07:47 | <mistik1> hey rjune
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| 07:47 | Can you guys show me an example of getting PWD with C?
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| 07:48 | I'm not sure i'm reading right, cause it seems a lot of steps for something so simple
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| 08:02 | <cliebow> where is Scott when you need him?
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| 08:16 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:18 | <mistik1> and there he is ;-)
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| 08:18 | WoW
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| 08:18 | <cliebow> He heard the call....
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| 08:19 | <mistik1> cliebow: did you call him on the cell or something ? ;)
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| 08:19 | <cliebow> no..
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| 08:19 | <sbalneav> When I'm not swamped, I'm punctual. :)
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| 08:19 | So, what's shakin?
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| 08:19 | <mistik1> heh
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| 08:19 | <cliebow> but i concentrated REAL hard
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| 08:20 | <mistik1> I am having difficulty finding out a simple way to get my cwd in C so I can define a default dir in my little program
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| 08:21 | <sbalneav> ummmm, hold on...
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| 08:21 | getcwd()
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| 08:22 | #include <unistd.h>
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| 08:22 | char *getcwd(char *buf, size_t size);
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| 08:22 | So:
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| 08:23 | char cwdbuf[PATH_MAX];
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| 08:23 | getcwd(cwdbuf, PATH_MAX);
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| 08:23 | cwdbuf now contains your cwd!
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| 08:24 | Et, voila!
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| 08:24 | <mistik1> coool
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| 08:24 | <sbalneav> You'll want to use PATH_MAX, as that's a macro for the longest valid pathname in Linux
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| 08:25 | <mistik1> You know, I can do a bit a mucking around with C but I dont totally GET it yet
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| 08:26 | Thanks again Scott
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| 08:26 | <FuL|OUT> can't seem to get firefox start on a thin client
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| 08:26 | :|
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| 08:29 | <sbalneav> FuL|OUT: Care to perhaps elaborate on that, with, say, errors encountered, behavior seen, setup information, etc etc. You know, useful information that will allow us to help you solve your problem? :)
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| 08:30 | <FuL|OUT> eheh
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| 08:30 | well openoffice and mozilla doesn't seem to start
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| 08:30 | on a thin client
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| 08:30 | <FuL|OUT> koffice works and konqueror
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| 08:30 | which is weird
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| 08:30 | i'm trying to figure it out myself
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| 08:30 | :)
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| 08:34 | <mistik1> sbalneav: Lets say i'm processing some commandline opts with getopt() and then setting a default dir if an option was not passed...
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| 08:34 | <sbalneav> First question: is this going to be a daemon?
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| 08:34 | <mistik1> I therefore already had my pointer setup as char dest
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| 08:35 | no
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| 08:35 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 08:35 | <mistik1> What i'm asking is if I could then just write it like this
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| 08:35 | getcwd(dest, PATH_MAX);
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| 08:35 | I had char dest setup already in this function
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| 08:36 | <sbalneav> Well, the call's correct. Question is, how was dest declared?
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| 08:37 | <mistik1> All i'm doing is if I dont get a -d <dirname> option then I just use CWD as dirname
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| 08:37 | I had setup a bunch of them before I started my getopt
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> Can you paste the section we're dealing with to the pastebot?
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| 08:37 | <mistik1> char *dest, *workdir, *binstr;
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> Ah
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| 08:38 | char *dest only gives you a POINTER to a character.
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| 08:38 | No space has actually been allocated to STORE anything yet.
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| 08:38 | So, if you want to do a char pointer, you'll need something like:
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| 08:38 | char *dest
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| 08:39 | dest = malloc(PATH_MAX);
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| 08:39 | if (!dest) {
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| 08:39 | /* your malloc failed due to out-of-memory, handle this somehow */
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| 08:39 | }
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| 08:39 | getcwd(dest, PATH_MAX);
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| 08:40 | <mistik1> hmm
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| 08:40 | <sbalneav> char *something is a pointer to a memory area of chars.
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| 08:40 | <mistik1> I think I better do that paste
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| 08:41 | <sbalneav> char something[number] results in the same thing (something's a pointer to chars), but it will automatically allocate number characters of memory.
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| 08:42 | <ltsppbot> "mistik1" pasted "mockery of C" (38 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/81
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| 08:43 | <mistik1> That is not the complete thing of course but this is the part I most need help with
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| 08:44 | btw, I think every c book or tutorial i've ever seen totally sucks based on one thing, the use of incomprehensible pointer names like c
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 08:44 | <mistik1> I can never understand wth is going on
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> There is one, and ONLY one thing you need to remember when dealing with C.
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| 08:45 | <mistik1> This is why after all these years it just dont register in my brain
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> And that is: your but one very, VERY tiny step away from programming in assembler.
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| 08:46 | <mistik1> does that mean it inherently confounded?
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| 08:47 | <sbalneav> C's inherently dangerous. That's why we have so many security problems/buffer overflows in OS's. They're written in C.
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| 08:47 | And C has no coupling between the memory you want to address, and the pointer you're going to address it with.
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| 08:47 | The example you've got there looks fine...
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| 08:48 | Let me add in what I think you're trying to do...
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| 08:51 | <mistik1> ok
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| 08:51 | <cliebow> God he is good...
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| 08:52 | How odes he make his voice DO that
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| 08:54 | <ltsppbot> "sbalneav" pasted "Altius, Citius, Fortius" (53 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/82
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> mistik1: Have a look at that.
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| 08:55 | Whoops, missed a )
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| 08:55 | line should read:
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| 08:55 | if (!(dest = malloc(PATH_MAX))) { /* malloc failed */
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> That sort of make it clear?
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| 08:58 | <mistik1> sbalneav: that's perfect
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| 08:58 | <sbalneav> Set the pointers to null on creation
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| 08:58 | Then after you've passed parsing command line options, anything that's STILL null, hasn't been set,
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| 08:58 | so, set 'em up at that point.
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| 08:59 | keep in mind: you must EXPLICITLY set the pointers to null if you want to GUARENTEE they're null.
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| 08:59 | <SBNet> anyone know where i can get a pxe boot disk that can install to the harddrive and not show a menu, it just does a straight boot
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| 08:59 | <sbalneav> SOME compilers automatically null out variables when created.
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| 09:00 | <mistik1> what is a safe way to set them null on creation?
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| 09:00 | <sbalneav> SOME compilers just let whatever random garbage happens to be in memory at that point sit there. In the C standard, it's left up to the compiler writer to define what's in an uninitialized variable.
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| 09:00 | Just like I did.
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| 09:00 | char *foo = NULL;
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| 09:00 | <mistik1> cool
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| 09:01 | <sbalneav> If you're going to creat the variable, and the first thing you're going to do to it is an assignment, like:
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| 09:01 | char *foo;
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| 09:01 | foo = malloc(...);
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| 09:01 | then you don't have to worry about doing it, because it will get assigned a value from the malloc.
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| 09:02 | in THIS case, it's possible that the first operation done on the variable MAY be a test [ if (!dest) ]
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| 09:02 | so, we want to make sure this variable's in a known state.
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| 09:02 | SBNet: I know where you can get an ETHERBOOT image that does that.
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| 09:03 | rom-o-matic.net
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| 09:03 | PXE's propriatary, and is only supplied by card manufacturers.
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| 09:03 | Workping, need to install a printer.
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| 09:03 | I'll be back in a bit....
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| 09:04 | <SBNet> i have the etherbot image, but it gives a pretty little menu, i'd like for the users to never see a menu
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| 09:07 | and if pxe is propriatary, what can i use that will support all my pcs to boot ltsp?
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| 09:43 | <sbalneav> SBNet: It shouldn't give a menu if you just download the one you need for the specific nic you're supporting, I beleive.
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| 09:43 | SBNet: PXE's fine, it's usually installed on the card. The point is that it can't be DOWNLOADED from somewhere, it's included by card manufacturers.
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| 09:47 | <cliebow> just ask local or network
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| 09:50 | <SBNet> well my issue is that some of my DELL! <- crap computers don't have a boot up option to boot from network, but if i put in an etherboot cd they boot to the network fine. i also need someway to do that with a broadcom 440x card
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| 09:51 | <cliebow> broadcom are not very friendly
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| 09:55 | <SBNet> don't have a choice, that's what dell puts in their computers and you can't change that
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| 09:57 | <SBNet> anyone know of a boot disk that can handle the broadcom 440x?
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| 09:57 | i have heard where they are pxe compatible and people have had them boot from a network, but dell tells me that mine can't
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| 09:58 | <vagrantc> !bootfloppy
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| 09:58 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 09:58 | <vagrantc> SBNet: try that
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| 09:58 | i don't know that it works, but it works for most pci network cards
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| 09:59 | <SBNet> etherboots wont
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| 09:59 | it has some broadcom compatibility, but not all
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| 10:02 | <sbalneav> These are PCI cards?
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| 10:02 | How many of them do you have?
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| 10:04 | <SBNet> they are all onboard and about 150
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| 10:04 | lol :)
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| 10:35 | <pscheie> morning all
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| 10:47 | <cliebow> petre!
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| 10:58 | <pscheie> hey cliebow
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| 10:58 | <cliebow> howdy..how goes the battle..
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| 10:58 | <pscheie> winning some, losing some
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| 10:59 | talked to a elem school last week about putting ltsp in each classroom
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| 10:59 | but they've got other bigger crises to deal with first
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| 10:59 | <cliebow> ive been experimenting with feisty a lot..
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| 11:00 | pscheie:i m not even sure i can hold my linux lab with the budget as it is..classroom space
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| 11:00 | <pscheie> otoh, at my son's school, they're putting ltsp servers and clients in each classroom
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| 11:00 | finally
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| 11:00 | I gave them all the clients (laptops) in Dec.
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| 11:00 | <cliebow> really..not one for the whole building then?
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| 11:00 | <pscheie> hold on...
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| 11:07 | okay, I'm back (had a visitor)
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| 11:08 | we're using one server per classroom
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| 11:08 | <cliebow> seems like a lot of admin
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| 11:08 | <pscheie> like daniel howard & william fragakis did in atlanta
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| 11:08 | well, they're pretty self-contained
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| 11:08 | using autologin
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| 11:09 | one server for a whole grade might come down the road
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| 11:09 | but conceptually it's easier for the principal, teachers, admins to understand
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| 11:09 | <paavum> Hello
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| 11:09 | I just downloaded ltsp5, configured everything
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| 11:09 | <pscheie> they can consolidate servers when they understand the whole process better
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| 11:09 | <cliebow> i see..i run all my terms in the high school from one box
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| 11:09 | <paavum> and I get the ubuntu login screen
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| 11:10 | <pscheie> how many clients?
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| 11:10 | <paavum> however when I try to log in, I just get dumped back to the login screen again
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| 11:10 | <cliebow> 100 but never more than 40 at a time
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| 11:10 | <pscheie> each classroom is supposed to try to get to 9 clients, tho' they're starting with 4 or 5
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| 11:10 | <cliebow> paavum, perhaps ltsp-updatesshkeys might help
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| 11:11 | <pscheie> physical space becomes an issue
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| 11:11 | <paavum> already did that
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| 11:11 | <cliebow> that is great..running ubuntu?
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| 11:11 | <pscheie> eventually, I'd like to get them to a 2:1 or even 1:1 ratio in each classroom
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| 11:11 | class size = ~27 students
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| 11:12 | so one server for a whole grade is a lot of eggs in one basket
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| 11:12 | <cliebow> good idea to use laptops though..they pxeboot?
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| 11:12 | ive been threatening to use ibooks
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| 11:12 | <pscheie> although that's what jim kinney has been doing for Atlanta pub schools
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| 11:12 | yes, pxeboot
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| 11:12 | had to use Gadi's sound package to get sound to work
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| 11:13 | I got a power meter yesterday, ran a laptop for 8 hours
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| 11:13 | used 0.13 kilowatt hours for that time
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| 11:13 | <cliebow> is that good?sounds like it
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| 11:13 | <pscheie> haven't calculated the electricity cost of that yet, though
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| 11:14 | well, when I'd select that wattage view it was bouncing between 15 and 24 watts
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| 11:14 | laptop has no hard drive, so that helps
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| 11:14 | I took the hard drive out of all the laptops for just that reason
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| 11:14 | and to reduce the noise
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| 11:15 | One of the local community colleges has 50 pallets of old desktops they want to donate to elem. schools
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| 11:15 | <paavum> ok just did ltsp-update-sshkeys and no luck
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| 11:15 | :(
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| 11:16 | I'm running on FC5
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| 11:16 | <pscheie> so, I just have to find a school that has money for just the servers
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| 11:16 | I can provide everytying else
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| 11:16 | got an extra 15 laptops in my basement left over from my son's school
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| 11:17 | <paavum> I still cant login to my ltsp server :(
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| 11:18 | <cliebow> there is a homedir for the users?
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| 11:18 | <paavum> yeah... /home
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| 11:18 | <cliebow> and the prems look ok?
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| 11:18 | <paavum> well I'm trying to login as root
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| 11:18 | <pscheie> paavum: anything in the server's /var/log/messages?
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| 11:18 | <paavum> so there should be no probs
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| 11:19 | <pscheie> root may not be able to login remotely
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| 11:19 | <paavum> Apr 5 11:14:47 ltsp2 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.99.200 to 00:0c:29:58:b5:1f via eth0
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| 11:19 | Apr 5 11:14:48 ltsp2 mountd[2823]: authenticated mount request from ws200.ltsp:930 for /opt/ltsp/ubuntu_6.10_i386 (/opt/ltsp)
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| 11:19 | <SBNet> root is disabled by default in ltsp
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| 11:19 | you can't remote login with root
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| 11:19 | <pscheie> on fc6/k12ltsp6 (and 5) root can't login remotely by default
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| 11:19 | <paavum> just tried with another user and same thing
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| 11:20 | <cliebow> so you are using fc5 with the ubuntu chroot..
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| 11:20 | <paavum> yes sir
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| 11:20 | <SBNet> try logging in locally on the ltsp server if you can login there, then any normal user can login using ltsp except root
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| 11:20 | <cliebow> and using ldm instead of xdmcp?
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| 11:21 | <paavum> in my .xsession-errors
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| 11:21 | in my homedir I see this
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| 11:21 | directory
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| 11:21 | . /etc/X11/Xsession: line 41: exec: /usr/bin/xsm: cannot execute: No such file or
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| 11:21 | . /etc/X11/Xsession: line 41: /usr/bin/xsm: No such file or directory
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| 11:25 | <cliebow> paavum, not sure..you might try to put in an lts.conf SCREEN_07=startx and enable xdmcp on your server..
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> this cross-distro LDM stuff seems prone to problems.
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| 11:26 | <cliebow> vagrantc, think that is the problem?
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| 11:27 | <ogra> vagrantc, initially we used to call gnome-session directly ...
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> paavum: i'm guessing /etc/X11/Xsession exists?
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| 11:27 | <cliebow> paavum, you have the attention of the big guns..
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| 11:27 | <vagrantc> ogra: originally, it was calling GDM's equivalent of Xsession
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| 11:27 | <paavum> Ok, it seems like I had a problem while updating to FC5
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| 11:28 | I was missing some packages
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| 11:28 | <cliebow> and...it woiks?
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| 11:28 | <vagrantc> calling gnome-session directly doesn't run a lot of default hooks
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| 11:28 | <paavum> uuuuhhh kinda now my mouse is freaking out
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| 11:28 | <ogra> vagrantc, breezy called /usr/bin/gnome-session in ubuntu
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| 11:29 | <vagrantc> ogra: hmmm... i remember convincing mdz to switch from /etc/gdm/Xsession to /etc/X11/Xsession ...
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| 11:30 | <bricode> Anyone know where I can find a reference on PXE booting using VMware or QEMU to test LTSP?
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| 11:30 | <ogra> hmm
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| 11:31 | <paavum> vagrantc ... yes,
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| 11:32 | bricode ... i'm using Vmware
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| 11:32 | even more
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| 11:33 | <bricode> paavum: the VMWare server, or just the player? Do you use a boot disk image to boot it then do PXE?
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| 11:33 | <paavum> I'm using Xwin32 + VPN to run a VMWare on a machine in the LAN of the ltsp server
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| 11:33 | <cliebow> ogra:suppose all these updates are breaking bcm43xx?
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| 11:33 | <paavum> bricode ... it natively supports pxe, so no need for diskette
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| 11:34 | and I'm using server server
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| 11:34 | <ogra> cliebow, not if your firmware is in the right place
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> ogra: i stand corrected, it was originally x-session-manager
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| 11:34 | <ogra> ah, right
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| 11:34 | which was a link to gnome-session in ubuntu
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| 11:35 | <vagrantc> right
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| 11:35 | <paavum> cliebow why u ask?
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| 11:35 | ack
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| 11:35 | bricode, not cliebow
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| 11:35 | <bricode> Well, I'll be on a plane to Brazil in 10 hours, and I'd like to do some dev work while I'm in the air.
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| 11:36 | Can't exactly whip out a thin client on the plane.
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| 11:36 | <paavum> lol, it works wonders
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| 11:36 | sometimes even better than the thin clients themselves :S
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| 11:36 | <bricode> Thin clients can be moody.
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| 11:37 | <paavum> specially if ure using OLD computers
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| 11:37 | Pentium I and II
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| 11:37 | I have a question... I have a running ltsp installation (i'm trying to change servers)
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| 11:37 | and one of the machines runs sluggish
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| 11:38 | I've tried adding more RAM to the client, but I think its useless
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| 11:38 | could it be my server that getting overloaded?
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| 11:38 | its a P-IV of 1.6Ghz serving 1gig ram serving 4 old ws
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| 11:39 | all they run is firefox
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| 11:39 | <SBNet> how many clients?
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| 11:39 | <paavum> about 4 or 5
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| 11:40 | <SBNet> basically for every ten clients you'll need 512mb of ram, and the machine will need a base line of 256 ram, so 10 users will need 768
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| 11:40 | <paavum> and processing power?
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| 11:40 | <ogra> if you use something like blackbox or xfce :)
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| 11:40 | <SBNet> anything above 1ghz
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| 11:40 | <paavum> I'm using KDE
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| 11:41 | <ogra> if you use a decent desktop rather take 128M per client
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| 11:41 | <SBNet> processor isn't a big concern since the clients use their own processor
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| 11:41 | <ogra> thats not true
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| 11:41 | all desktop stuff runs on the server
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| 11:41 | <SBNet> if you have a 1.6ghz processor, your set for 10 users
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| 11:41 | <paavum> vagrantc ... Xsession does NOT exist
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| 11:42 | <ogra> so the CPU size really depends on the apps you run
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| 11:42 | <bricode> ogra: That reminds me, that Workstation plugin seemed to work with Feisty.... at least the installation part. Haven't had a chance to play with it yet.
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| 11:42 | <SBNet> well, if your only running word processors and firefox then you only need 1ghz or more
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| 11:42 | <ogra> bricode, it works just fine, but you need a lot of manual fiddling for the ldap auth ...
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| 11:43 | SBNet, if every user has ten tabs with flash animations open your server will die
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| 11:43 | <bricode> ogra: Yeah. I usually just add a few users for an internet cafe type setup.
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| 11:43 | <ogra> (for 10 terminals)
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| 11:43 | <SBNet> i'm working on getting my server to authenticate with ADS now so users can login with their normal windows user/pass
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| 11:43 | <ogra> it really really depends on the apps the users use on the desktop
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| 11:44 | <SBNet> well, what are the odds that 10 people will be connected and all will have a ton of tabs all running flash, in my case slim to none
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| 11:44 | my ltsp server is a dell server with 2 dualcore xeon 2.4ghz processors with 4gb ram and 2 120sata drives in raid 1
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| 11:44 | i'm good for users and horse power
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| 11:45 | !bootdisk
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| 11:45 | <ltspbot> SBNet: Error: "bootdisk" is not a valid command.
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| 11:45 | <SBNet> !bootfloppy
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| 11:45 | <ltspbot> SBNet: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> paavum: if /etc/X11/Xsession doesn't exist on your server ... set LDM_REMOTECMD=xterm in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 11:45 | <ogra> well, let them all 10 run openoffice ... a 1.6Ghz CPU wont cope
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| 11:45 | <bricode> Can someone alias !bootdisk to !bootfloppy?
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> bricode: there's no aliases.
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| 11:46 | bricode: you can copy it to two places
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| 11:46 | <paavum> Does anybody know if K12ltsp is running ltsp 4.2 or 5/
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> 4.2
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| 11:46 | <SBNet> that's true but i'd figure if your planning on having 10 users, then you should have 2ghz, my look is for every 5 users add a 1 ghz
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| 11:46 | <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
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| 11:46 | <bricode> vagrantc: Okay, fair enough. Copying would work.
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| 11:46 | <SBNet> if you have more than 10, add a processor or core
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| 11:46 | <sbalneav> ogra: Did LaserJock tell you we added a section to the manual on the second CD?
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> bricode: you have to talk to ltspbot ... "ltspbot: learn FOO as BAR"
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| 11:47 | <SBNet> ltspbot: are you human?
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| 11:47 | <ltspbot> SBNet: Error: "are" is not a valid command.
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| 11:47 | <SBNet> lol
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| 11:47 | ltspbot is a very dumb bot!
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| 11:47 | <ltspbot> SBNet: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
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| 11:47 | <SBNet> lol
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> Dumb? Look who's amusing themselves poking it.
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| 11:48 | <SBNet> lol
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| 11:48 | <paavum> ltspbot learn paavum as god
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| 11:48 | <ltspbot> paavum: The operation succeeded.
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| 11:48 | <paavum> woohooo
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| 11:48 | !paavum
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| 11:48 | <ltspbot> paavum: "paavum" is god
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| 11:48 | <paavum> he's not that dumb
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| 11:49 | <SBNet> lol
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| 11:49 | be back in a few got a meeting
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| 11:49 | <ogra> sbalneav, yes, he told me
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| 11:49 | <bricode> paavum: But a little more humble :)
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| 11:49 | <ogra> sbalneav, i havent had time to look at it yet, i only uploaded what he sent me
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| 11:49 | <paavum> lol
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| 11:50 | <sbalneav> It's nice we've got SOMETHING in there now. We'll make it much better next time, but it's way better than nothing, which is what we had last time ;)
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| 11:50 | <ogra> the last three times :)
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| 11:51 | <paavum> Why hasnt there been a tarball for Fedora?
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| 11:51 | I remember reading something in the wiki
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| 11:51 | but cant remember
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| 11:51 | <ogra> you mean for ltsp5 ?
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| 11:52 | <paavum> yeah
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| 11:52 | <ogra> because nobody implemented it in fedora yet
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| 11:52 | <paavum> Ok, anybody up to helping me get it running w/o the tarball? :P
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| 11:52 | vagrantc ... just did and nothing happens
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| 11:53 | <ogra> you dont see an xterm after login ?
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| 11:53 | <paavum> nope
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> paavum: oh, if you're running ltsp 4.2, then you're ot running LDM ... sorry for not being helpful
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| 11:53 | <paavum> I log in and see the same damned screen
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| 11:53 | * paavum is on ltsp 5 | |
| 11:53 | <paavum> tarball ubuntu tarball
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| 11:53 | <ogra> the user can ssh to the server ?
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| 11:54 | <paavum> yes
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| 11:54 | <ogra> abd you ran ltsp-update-sshkeys ?
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| 11:54 | *and
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| 11:54 | <paavum> yes
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| 11:54 | <vagrantc> see y'all later. good luck paavum.
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| 11:54 | <paavum> vagrantc :( thnx
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| 11:54 | <ogra> anything helpful in ~/.xsession-errors of that user ?
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| 11:54 | <paavum> iceauth: creating new authority file /home/david/.ICEauthority
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| 11:54 | X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
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| 11:55 | <ogra> is xterm available in your path ?
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| 11:55 | <paavum> seems so
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| 11:55 | <ogra> weird
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| 11:56 | <paavum> just to be on the safe side
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| 11:56 | <paavum> I'll put the whole path toit
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| 11:56 | <ogra> should work without that, but try it
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| 11:57 | <paavum> give me a sec... i'm having a hard time with my xwin32 demo
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| 11:57 | <ogra> you are running all that in a vm ?
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| 11:57 | <paavum> actually its like this
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| 11:58 | the VM is on a remote server (which is physically on the same lan as the ltsp server)
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| 11:58 | I am at my place...
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| 11:58 | so I connect to the VM via xwin32
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| 11:58 | and get it up
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| 11:58 | then VMware does its thing and I kin test from me place
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| 11:59 | :D
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| 11:59 | I only wish I could run ltsp via a VPN
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| 11:59 | <ogra> patches accepted ;)
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| 11:59 | <paavum> directly
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| 12:00 | <ogra> should be no problem with some initramfs hacking
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| 12:00 | * paavum has no idea about linux internals whatsoever :( | |
| 12:02 | <paavum> I DID try to do it
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| 12:02 | but I got stuck when my VPN wouldn't give me an IP for my VM
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| 12:02 | <ogra> can you remove the .xsession-erros file and check it ghets recreadted (or make sure the timestamp actually matches your lats login try)
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| 12:03 | <paavum> ko... just give me two mins
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| 12:03 | please
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| 12:05 | <paavum> ok
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| 12:05 | booting
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| 12:06 | setting up client...
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| 12:06 | login screen
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| 12:06 | logging in...
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| 12:07 | <cliebow> WOOT! broadcom works again
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| 12:08 | <paavum> its doesnt get created
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| 12:08 | I think it was for the xterm thingy
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| 12:10 | it doesnt get created
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| 12:10 | no .xsession
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| 12:10 | no .xsession-errors
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| 12:12 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "include /etc/ldap/schema/core." (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/85
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| 12:20 | <paavum> whats that supposed to be
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| 12:20 | <ltsppbot> "cliebow" pasted "# $OpenLDAP: pkg/ldap/librarie" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/87
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| 12:20 | <cliebow> goes with this
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| 12:23 | <paavum> Ok just got my stuff working
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| 12:23 | all I needed to put was LDM_REMOTECMD=/usr/bin/startkde
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| 12:24 | <cliebow> ohhh..Cool..where did you get that fix??
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| 12:24 | <paavum> was trial and errpr
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| 12:24 | since it isnt working the nice way
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| 12:25 | and I ONLY installed KDE (not GNOME) I decided to try and use kde's things
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| 12:25 | <cliebow> that should be on the wiki..or soewhere
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| 12:25 | <paavum> should I post it?
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| 12:25 | <cliebow> so you used an environment variable?
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| 12:26 | i dont know just where to put it..have to ask jammcq
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| 12:26 | <paavum> and he aint here
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| 12:26 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting#Launching_X_to_give_a_graphical
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| 12:26 | I guess it could go there, right?
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| 12:26 | <cliebow> ill paste thata into something if you can give a little paragraph describing prob and resolution..so i dont botch it pu
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| 12:27 | sure
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| 12:27 | cliebow_:ping
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| 12:28 | weird..the other me seems to have dropped connection
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| 12:28 | figures....
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| 12:29 | <SBNet> hey, i'm back
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| 12:29 | <paavum> there just put it up there
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| 12:29 | <SBNet> cliebow: what about broadcom works again?
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| 12:29 | <cliebow> ibook wireless
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| 12:30 | <SBNet> oh ok
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| 12:30 | <cliebow> works...sort of
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| 12:30 | <paavum> ok... my second contribution to ltsp
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| 12:30 | :D:D:D:D
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| 12:30 | <SBNet> i was hoping you found a bootdisk that would boot broadcom nics
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| 12:30 | <cliebow> cliebow_:ahh there you are..been meaning to talk to you
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| 12:30 | <SBNet> is there an alternative to pxe boot that can work with any nic card?
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| 12:31 | <cliebow> etherboot..for most cards
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| 12:31 | <paavum> universal boot thingy>
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| 12:31 | ?
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| 12:31 | <pscheie> but etherboot doesn't support wireless...yet
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| 12:31 | <SBNet> etherboot doesn't work with broadcom 440x unfortunately which is what all my dells have onboard
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| 12:31 | <pscheie> nor pcmcia cards
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| 12:31 | <paavum> SBNet... Although etherboot is migrating into PXE .... www.rom-o-matic.net
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| 12:32 | <SBNet> i think i checked there and still didn't find one that would work with a broadcom 440x onboard nic
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| 12:33 | <paavum> there is a universal boot loader thingy
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| 12:33 | at sourcefourge
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| 12:33 | <cliebow> broadcom is not forthcoming with info on its products
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| 12:33 | <paavum> I think you can get to it via K12ltsp
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| 12:33 | <cliebow> 1bootfloppy
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| 12:33 | !bootfloppy
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| 12:33 | <ltspbot> cliebow: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 12:33 | <SBNet> i've got that universal floppy up checking on it now
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| 12:34 | <paavum> that was it
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| 12:34 | \!paavum
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| 12:34 | !paavum
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| 12:34 | <ltspbot> paavum: "paavum" is god
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| 12:34 | <paavum> Thankyou ltspbot
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| 12:34 | <cliebow> pastebot:welcome
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| 12:36 | <SBNet> i would get realtek if it was me, they usually work fine, dell gx50's come with an onboard 3com, figure that out!
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| 12:41 | <SBNet> i found a network boot disk that will boot up any computer and turn the network card on, including broadcom 440x, could there be a way to mesh etherboot and this bootdisk?
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| 12:41 | <paavum> SBNet... is this the universal boot thingy?
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| 12:42 | I *THINK that would pass as etherboot
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| 12:42 | <SBNet> umm no, a workstudy found it at www.netbootdisk.com
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| 12:42 | it boots the computer to a DOS prompt where you can then mount network locations and move files around, doesn't do ltsp booting
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| 12:43 | <paavum> http://www.netbootdisk.com/pxeboot.htm
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| 12:43 | :P
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| 12:45 | <cliebow__> doesnt etherboot also come as a .com file executable from dos?
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| 12:45 | <SBNet> i didn't find it, he did, made the floppy then used nero to copy it from floppy to cd and it only booted to dos
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| 12:47 | don't know if that pxe option is for just loading that bootdisk or for actually loading a remote os using terminals
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| 12:48 | <cliebow__> http://etherboot.org/wiki/lilowithetherboot?DokuWiki=235f426f03730b327349532bd1ecab1c
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| 12:48 | might be something
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| 12:48 | or not
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| 12:50 | <SBNet> netbookdisk - pxe wasn't it, only said you can boot that bootdisk using pxe
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| 12:54 | has anyone used netboot?
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| 12:56 | <Burgwork> does anybody know a vendor that sells preinstalled Linux on a usb key for a reasonable price/
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| 12:56 | ?
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| 12:56 | <SBNet> you can get slax free and buy a usb drive
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| 12:57 | <Burgwork> yes, but my boss says "must be supported"
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| 12:59 | <cliebow__> whatever that means 8~)
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| 12:59 | <Burgwork> ya, tell me about it
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| 12:59 | I don't make up these silly requirements
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| 13:02 | <SBNet> what qualifies as must be supported
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| 13:05 | <paavum> Burgwork ... so you tell your boss... well we're here arent we? We can support it :P
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| 13:05 | <Burgwork> heh
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| 13:12 | <SBNet> heh, teledata supports your own personal network drivers, i may have found my new boot disk
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| 13:13 | <paavum> what is teledata?
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| 13:14 | <SBNet> a company that puts out a bootdisk that allows you to add your own drivers as well as unattended network installs and stuff
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| 13:14 | http://tdonline.com/bootdisk.htm
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| 13:39 | <SBNet> does etherboot have the ability to load dos network drivers?
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| 13:40 | <jammcq> no
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| 13:41 | <SBNet> know of a netboot disk that will boot my ltsp clients that can use dos or ndis drivers?
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| 13:41 | <jammcq> "netboot" can use ndis drivers
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| 13:41 | but not "etherboot"
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| 13:43 | <SBNet> well, this is an onboard nic, i need to boot the computer from a cd or the local harddrive so it loads up the ltsp system. like a pxe boot, but broadcom 440x doesn't have pxeboot so my standard pxe boot cd's don't work
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| 13:43 | if i can give it my dos driver for that and it load that driver then boot and load the ltsp image and boot the ltsp client i'd be happy
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| 13:43 | <jammcq> umm, I thought there was an etherboot module for the broadcoms
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| 13:43 | check #etherboot for info on that
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| 13:44 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> jammcq: hi there
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| 13:44 | <SBNet> i've got the linux c and header files for it from broadcom
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| 13:44 | so i should be able to compile them into an etherboot cd?
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| 13:47 | <jammcq> SBNet: NO
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| 13:47 | it's no where that easy
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| 13:47 | <SBNet> ok just asking sorry
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| 14:08 | <lui1> Hello! I have ltsp 4.1 with 8 terminals 486 with 16 mb ram , 1 server semprom 2.8 with 1gb ram and madriva 2007. Will this system run better over ltsp 5?
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| 14:16 | <pscheie> lui1: I'm no authority, but I would say no
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| 14:16 | <cliebow> lui1, no..havnt memory enough inj the terms
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| 14:16 | <pscheie> LTSP 5 incorporates encryption of the X session between the clients and server
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| 14:17 | 486s will have a hard time with that on the client end
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| 14:18 | <lui1> Ok, The other question is "where can i find docs about ltsp "?
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| 14:18 | 5
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| 14:19 | <pscheie> www.ltsp.org
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| 14:19 | see the wiki
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| 14:21 | <lui1> Thank!
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| 14:38 | <cliebow> sbalneav:got ldapfs parked somewhere?
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| 14:39 | <sbalneav> Sure do, I beleive
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| 14:39 | Need a copy?
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| 14:40 | <Burgwork> ldapfs?
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| 14:40 | <cliebow> yeah..fuse.org somewhere?
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| 14:40 | <jammcq> sbalneav: you getting any snow?
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| 14:40 | <cliebow> a foot here
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| 14:41 | <sbalneav> No, no snow here
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| 14:41 | cold tho'
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| 14:41 | -11 C
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| 14:41 | cliebow: where you want me to email it to?
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| 14:41 | <Burgwork> +14 C and sunny today :)
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| 14:41 | and I live in Canada
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| 14:42 | <cliebow> cliebow@ltsp.org?
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| 14:42 | <sbalneav> k
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| 14:42 | <rjune> 30F and windy here
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| 14:43 | <sbalneav> Sent
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| 14:43 | <cliebow> Cool!
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| 14:43 | <SBNet> dang sbalneav you're COLD!!!
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| 14:44 | he he, only 61 F here
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| 14:44 | yesterday it was 85F
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| 14:44 | <sbalneav> Yeah, got a cold snap here on the prairies.
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| 14:46 | <SBNet> etherboot doesn't support any broadcom 440x cards, but they support others. I'm talking to a guy in there now who said he'll help me write the driver for it since i have the linux b44 source code from broadcom and they already have a broadcom driver for others so soon, i might have a broadcom etherboot cd!
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| 15:14 | <SBNet> is there a way to setup my dhcp server to people can use this bootp nbi files and use pxelinux.0?
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| 15:17 | <paavum> yeah
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| 15:17 | there is an if thingy
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| 15:17 | check the default conf for ltsp4
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| 15:17 | it brings that if thing
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| 15:18 | <SBNet> well, i'm looking at pxelinux, i can currently boot most of my computers using netboot where it goes to the dhcp server, gets an ip then loads the pxelinux.0 file. but according to netboot, netboot uses bootp and can only load .nbi files, mind you i'm using a windows server 2003 dhcp server
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| 15:24 | <paavum> ah, then my friend you're screwed
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| 15:24 | cuz I dont know how to do that :P
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| 15:28 | <SBNet> well i've got it running using pxelinux.0
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| 15:28 | so if i could get a pxe boot loader, i'd be very happy, but the only one close is etherboot
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| 15:28 | <paavum> is there a conf file for dhcpd in win 2k3?
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| 15:28 | <SBNet> and they don't have the driver, i would have to make it myself
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| 15:29 | no
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| 15:29 | you have to configure using the config program with it
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| 15:29 | <paavum> :s
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| 15:40 | <dtrask> chuck- you guys have school today?
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| 15:40 | <rjune> dtrask:
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| 15:40 | !!
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| 15:40 | <ltspbot> rjune: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
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| 15:41 | <dtrask> cliebow, you have school? Or snow day?
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| 15:43 | we got a sh*tload of snow last nigh
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| 15:43 | dammit
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| 15:58 | <SBNet> ltspbot learn SBNet is the greatest person on earth
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| 15:58 | <ltspbot> SBNet: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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| 15:58 | <SBNet> ltspbot learn sbnet as great!
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| 15:58 | <ltspbot> SBNet: The operation succeeded.
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| 15:58 | <SBNet> !sbnet
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| 15:58 | <ltspbot> SBNet: "sbnet" is great!
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| 16:18 | <michael> Hello. I guess I have an lbus prob
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| 16:18 | an experts there?
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| 16:19 | Scott :-) ?
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| 16:25 | <pscheie> michael: I think you want sbalneav
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| 16:27 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 16:27 | <michael> Hi sorry got me a tea..
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| 16:28 | I have install sucsessfully ltsp 4.2 u4
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| 16:28 | also I passed all troubleshooting tests for local devs
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| 16:29 | but.. I get no icons when I plug in an usb stick
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| 16:29 | <sbalneav> Then you didn't pass all the tests.
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| 16:29 | <michael> hm ?
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| 16:29 | <sbalneav> Can you please paste the results of the checklist?
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| 16:29 | To the pastebot.
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| 16:30 | <michael> sorry first im I am on IRC ..
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| 16:30 | <pscheie> !pastebot
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| 16:30 | <ltspbot> pscheie: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 16:30 | <michael> also I went thru the list but did not keep the results
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| 16:31 | <sbalneav> Got a 64 bit server?
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| 16:31 | <michael> no I am on opensuse10.2
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| 16:32 | 32 bit
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| 16:32 | <sbalneav> I'll be leaving shortly for the day. Go through the checklist again, and record all the results. You can mail them to me at sbalneav@ltsp.org
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| 16:33 | <michael> thanks I will, since I am in Germany 23:32 I do this very soon
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| 16:33 | bye for now
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| 16:33 | <sbalneav> Seeya
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| 16:33 | !
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| 21:01 | <paavum> hello
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| 21:01 | any1 here?
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| 21:01 | !ltspbot paavum
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| 21:01 | <ltspbot> paavum: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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| 21:01 | <paavum> !paavum
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| 21:01 | <ltspbot> paavum: "paavum" is god
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| 21:01 | <paavum> :D:D
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| 21:01 | is there a way to change the splash screen of ubuntu for something else?
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| 21:38 | <joebob777as7> i am interested in the answer to that too!!!
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| 21:41 | <jammcq> dtrask: OOOh, cool
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| 21:42 | <paavum> is there a way to change the splash screen of ubuntu for something else?
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| 21:42 | I mean like the boot logo in ltsp 5
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| 21:42 | <jammcq> paavum: you'd have to ask ogra
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| 21:43 | and he's prolly sleeping right now
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| 21:43 | <paavum> yeah.. guessed so
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| 21:43 | <jammcq> and i'm heading to bed now too. see ya'll later
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| 21:43 | <paavum> sleep tight
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| 22:26 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 22:27 | <joebob777as7> hey
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| 23:30 | <NefariousAryq> Hey folks, anyone around for some help on what I hope is a very simple question? :)
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| 23:30 | <sbalneav> Ask the question,
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| 23:32 | <vagrantc> only asked questions get answers.
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| 23:33 | * vagrantc tells a white lie | |
| 23:34 | <NefariousAryq> Alrighty! Well. I previously had LTSP 4.0 running on Slackware 10 on a clients server, and needed to do some hardware upgrades, so I decided this would be a good time to move up to Slackware 11 and LTSP 4.2. I'm fairly familiar with LTSP, been running it for a while now, so installation has gone as expected. Except, I'm booting my first client, and the client gets DHCP... gets its IP address... and then tries to load the
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| 23:34 | Whew, sorry for all that text, didnt realize I kept typing so much :)
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| 23:34 | (its late, and I'm very caffeinated ;) hehe)
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| 23:36 | * sbalneav waits for the question to appear | |
| 23:38 | <sbalneav> One time, I was waiting for this guy, Godot...
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| 23:38 | But he never showed
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| 23:39 | vagrantc: Oh, c'mon, laugh. That was funny.
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| 23:39 | <NefariousAryq> Well shit, after typing all that, I remembered something... I needed to add the next-server line to my dhcpd.conf. I remembered reading about that. Plth! Bloody hell, that was too easy. :-P
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| 23:39 | <sbalneav> So, the question WAS like Godot.
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| 23:40 | vagrantc: Apparently, unasked questions DO get answered.
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| 23:45 | <NefariousAryq> Hmmm, did my question not show up? Cuz I sure did type one ;)
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| 23:45 | heh.
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| 23:46 | Ohwell, that issue is now fixed. Im gonna stay right here just incase anything else pops up.
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| 23:51 | Sweet, and I get into X. Wow, 4.2 *does* boot faster. Thats awesome.
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| 23:56 | <intengu> hi all
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