IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 March 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <vagrantc> whiprush: i've seen a few people ask about it over the last few months
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| 00:01 | <whiprush> vagrantc: won't work
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| 00:01 | <whiprush> I gave up
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| 00:01 | we bought 50 clients from jammcq
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| 00:01 | and plan to replace the sunrays
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| 00:01 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 00:01 | <whiprush> to be honest, sick of waiting for sun.
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| 00:02 | <vagrantc> fair enough.
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| 00:02 | <whiprush> we need stuff that works, now, and ltsp has that.
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| 00:02 | if they don't want to play, then I'll send our money to ltsp vendors.
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| 00:02 | <vagrantc> nice. :)
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| 00:03 | <whiprush> I have labs, and students that need to do engineering stuff on linux.
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| 00:03 | <vagrantc> were they just a little too proprietary?
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| 00:03 | <whiprush> if sun doesn't want our money because they suck, then screw them.
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| 00:03 | <vagrantc> or just too much work?
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| 00:03 | <whiprush> too much work
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| 00:04 | even if they open source it tomorrow.
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| 00:04 | it's a mess
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| 00:04 | it's a statically compiled mess, comes with their own java, their own apache.
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| 00:04 | <vagrantc> oh, so it doesn't network boot?
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| 00:04 | <whiprush> or I can use apt-get and get to work in 20 minutes.
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| 00:05 | it does
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| 00:05 | but it's a black box
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| 00:05 | <vagrantc> got it.
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| 00:05 | <whiprush> I start some service, and it's supposed to work
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| 00:05 | <vagrantc> black boxes are not something worth spending lots of time on.
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| 00:05 | <whiprush> but they don't really support linux.
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| 00:05 | so ... while I got 300 thin clients for free.
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| 00:05 | they're not really free
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| 00:06 | they kind of work in linux, sort of.
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| 00:06 | <vagrantc> they're even poor doorstops.
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| 00:06 | <whiprush> but
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| 00:06 | they've been so unreliable lately, why bother?
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| 00:06 | I can just pxe boot existing lab machines into linux
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| 00:06 | <vagrantc> right.
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| 00:06 | <whiprush> and replace sunrays with ltsp clients.
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| 00:07 | sure, they cost me 15 grand, but considering I've spent about 2 months worth of my time trying to get them to work
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| 00:07 | easy decision.
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| 00:07 | <vagrantc> aiiie.
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| 00:07 | on both counts.
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| 00:07 | <whiprush> and plus
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| 00:08 | in .edu ... when professors have to cancel classes
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| 00:08 | and at one point they considered refunding students their money.
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| 00:08 | 40 students, per week, for what it costs.
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| 00:08 | vs. just getting ltsp clients.
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| 00:09 | <vagrantc> hmmmm....
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| 00:09 | * vagrantc does a little theoretical math | |
| 00:09 | <whiprush> vagrantc: it's funny, people spent so much time wondering about java, and solaris.
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| 00:09 | ends up, for us, the sunray software was the one that cost us the most.
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| 00:10 | <vagrantc> it's like, sooo last millenia.
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| 00:10 | <whiprush> vagrantc: in hindsight
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| 00:10 | as you know, jammcq is my lug president
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| 00:10 | and he was like "don't get more sunrays, that's stupid"
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| 00:11 | and I was like "no way man, we can make it work."
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| 00:11 | what a stupid idea that was
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| 00:11 | <vagrantc> well, live and buy ltsp-freindly thin-clients, that's what i say.
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| 00:11 | <whiprush> we do now. :)
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| 00:12 | we've been doing all sorts of lab testing these past few weeks.
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| 00:12 | the ltsp solution is just so much more superior.
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| 00:13 | it's not even close.
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| 00:13 | <vagrantc> so, you could add this to the LTSP success stories page! :)
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| 00:13 | <whiprush> I plan to, after we finish deploying.
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| 00:14 | <vagrantc> "we stopped shooting ourselves in the foot with LTSP"
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| 00:14 | er...
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| 00:14 | i suppose that isn't the best wording.
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| 00:14 | <whiprush> like, 3 years ago, the plan to make our sunrays work with linux sounded so good.
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| 00:14 | man. what a shitty idea that turned out to be
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| 00:15 | and the whole time jammcq was like "dude, ltsp"
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| 00:15 | but I didn't listen
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| 00:15 | I had this stupid idea that sun would unfuck themselves.
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| 00:15 | that ended up being the dumbest idea ever.
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| 00:16 | * vagrantc suspects theres been dumber ones | |
| 00:16 | <vagrantc> like this whole cache of nuclear warheads i live near
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| 00:16 | <whiprush> it wasn't until those damn things nearly cost me my job that I finally realized that they were a waste of time.
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| 00:18 | * vagrantc tries again | |
| 00:18 | <vagrantc> "after switching to LTSP, the gunshot wounds in our feet finally could start to heal again"
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| 00:20 | <whiprush> vagrantc: I get the feeling that jammcq thought I was joking.
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| 00:20 | I'll track him down and make him think about ltsp-as-a-standard.
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| 00:21 | <vagrantc> probably just not feeling like he had the time to take it on, is my impression
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| 00:30 | <whiprush> heh
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| 00:41 | <nick125_lappy> evening ltspers
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| 00:46 | <nick125_lappy> Hrm..this is odd
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| 00:47 | according to the gentoo LTSP guide, the ltsp ebuild has a kde/gnome useflag, but, when I'm looking at the ebuild, there isn't any useflag for that
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| 02:42 | <Bhaskar> Any linux training manual in school ??
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| 02:47 | <astroboy> Hmm .. all of a sudden GDM won't open giving me error msg "Can't open file /usr/share/gdm/themes/freespirit/freespirit.xml" .. I have remote login set on 'plain' as per ltsp instructions. What am I missing here ?
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| 03:18 | <ramsys> what is vdi ( virtual desktop infrastructure ) is any one using it
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| 03:22 | <astroboy> .. I'm reinstalling gdm ..
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| 07:05 | <vlt|home> Hello. When logged in as a user on the client there's a process "ssh -v -X -c blowfish-cbc,aes128-cbc,3des-cbc vlt@192.168.5.1 env LTSP_CLIENT="ltsp" /etc/X11/Xsession" running. Can I set encryption to none or the least cpu consuming mode somewhere?
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| 07:54 | <bip> anybody around ?
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| 08:23 | <cliebow_> whiprush:sunrays use openboot?
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| 08:26 | bip: im listening..fwiw
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| 08:31 | <bip> thanx :)
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| 08:50 | <jammcq> g'morning kids
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| 08:57 | <cliebow_> jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:57 | interesting conversation last night
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| 08:57 | <jammcq> heh, yeah
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| 08:57 | loads of fun
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| 08:58 | <cliebow_> was whiprush hangup in x?
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| 08:58 | <jammcq> no, he had a problem with sunrays
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| 08:58 | they are proprietary, and the software from sun is junk
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| 08:59 | <cliebow_> so it was sunrays vid card..or i suppose he had to use their software..
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| 09:00 | <jammcq> you can't use ltsp on them
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| 09:00 | they are completely different from what we are used to
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| 09:00 | he deployed a couple of classrooms full of them
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| 09:00 | the new semester started, and they started running into problems. ended up canceling 2 of the classes
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| 09:01 | then they switched to LTSP and they are now quite happy
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| 09:01 | nice little success story
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| 09:02 | <cliebow_> sure is...i have that sun server ready to give away for lack of x..
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| 09:03 | <jammcq> well, Sun in general should support X just fine
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| 09:03 | I know a couple of the Sun engineers who work full time on X11
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| 09:03 | and Sun is currently the largest sponsor of X.org foundation
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| 09:03 | <cliebow_> funny.at a login prompt the screen is wicked blurry..unreadable..
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| 09:04 | without x
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| 09:04 | i dont have any other vid card to put in to try..
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| 09:46 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:46 | ogra: ping
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| 09:57 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: morning
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| 09:57 | jammcq: and to you
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| 09:59 | <sbalneav> Morning
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| 10:01 | <bip> somebody knows how to disable dhcp in vmware server ?
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| 10:01 | hi vagrantc
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| 10:01 | hi sbalneav
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| 10:01 | <vagrantc> bip: sorry, no clue with vmware.
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| 10:01 | <bip> i m testing a debian etch deplyement of ltsp with vmware
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| 10:01 | <vagrantc> bip: but kqemu+qemu is now free software, so why bother with vmware? :P
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| 10:01 | <bip> but vware dhcp is quicker an overids
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| 10:02 | well ...
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| 10:02 | because i have been using it for years and it sorta worked ...
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| 10:02 | <vagrantc> i'd say the same of qemu :P
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| 10:03 | <bip> yeah
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| 10:03 | i can imaginbe
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| 10:03 | i bother u here
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| 10:03 | because in vmware channel they seem to be pretty clueless ;-)
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| 10:04 | now i do some quick and dirty bofh thingie like just commentig out the dhcp.conf of vwmware
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| 10:12 | ok i fixed my dhcp issue
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| 10:12 | but i still get a file not found when i sttart up the thin-client
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| 10:12 | i would aprreciate an hand
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| 10:13 | now it get the right ip
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| 10:13 | but i have problemes gettintg it to boot
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| 10:13 | TFTP error - File not found
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| 10:23 | <sbalneav> bip: which version of ltsp are you using?
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| 10:23 | <bip> 4.2
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| 10:23 | i m following this howto:
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| 10:23 | <sbalneav> Which tftp daemon did you install?
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| 10:23 | <bip> atftp
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| 10:23 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Debian
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| 10:23 | <sbalneav> what does the line in inetd.conf look like?
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| 10:24 | <bip> one sec ...
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| 10:24 | i have some trube pasting from that box lemme see if i can get xchat up and running there
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| 10:24 | * vagrantc looks at feet | |
| 10:25 | <sbalneav> You can paste to the pastebot
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| 10:25 | !pastebot
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| 10:25 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:25 | <bip> i know i can ...
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| 10:25 | * vagrantc welcomes the pastebot back | |
| 10:26 | <bip> but for some reason i cant paste out of that machine now
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> What root directory for the files are you using? /tftpboot? Or /var/lib/tftpboot?
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| 10:28 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: yeah, we got that back up this weekend.
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| 10:30 | <bip_> ok
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| 10:30 | <bip> the first one sbalneav
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| 10:31 | /tftpboot
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> ok, so what does the filename line look like for your dhcpd.conf?
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| 10:32 | <bip_> one sec
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> What, you can't just retype the line?
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| 10:50 | <bip> no im not logget from that machine ye i could ...
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| 10:50 | but nmow im rebuilding the router ...
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| 11:47 | <ltsppbot> "bip" pasted "########## # # dynamic-dhcpd.c" (69 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/19
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| 11:47 | <bip_> sbalneav,
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| 11:47 | got that pasted eventuallyy ...
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| 11:47 | was hard ...
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| 11:47 | i had to try a half dozen routers ...
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| 11:47 | wonders of virtualization ;-)
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| 11:50 | <sbalneav> Your filename's wrong
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| 11:50 | tftp servers chroot to the tftpboot, so...
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| 11:51 | filename should look like:
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| 11:51 | filename "/lts/2.4.26-ltsp-3/pxelinux.0"
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| 11:51 | but if you're using ltsp 4.2, it didn't use a 2.4 kernel
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| 11:52 | <bip_> mmm
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| 11:53 | so i i should firrst remove all the stuff before ltsp right ?
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| 11:54 | <sbalneav> That's what I pasted.
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| 11:54 | <bip_> that instead then
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| 11:54 | ok let see if that works ...
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| 11:54 | sorry i m extra dulll today
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| 11:55 | i m always dull
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| 11:55 | but today im at my lowest ;-)
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| 11:57 | <cliebow> bip..in 4.2you should havelike 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2..check that it esixtsin /tftpboot/lts
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| 11:57 | <bip_> ok
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| 11:57 | i will
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| 11:59 | 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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| 11:59 | <cliebow> cool..this is fedora?
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| 11:59 | <bip_> no debian testing
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| 11:59 | etch
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| 12:00 | debianTestingLTSP:/tftpboot/lts# ls -l
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| 12:00 | totale 5516
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| 12:00 | drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 4096 2006-04-17 15:13 2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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| 12:00 | drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 4096 2006-08-12 04:29 2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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| 12:00 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 2752000 2006-04-17 15:13 vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2
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| 12:00 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 2878976 2006-08-12 04:29 vmlinuz-2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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| 12:00 | debianTestingLTSP:/tftpboot/lts#
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| 12:01 | <cliebow> and pxelinux.0 otter be in 2.6.16.1
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| 12:01 | directroy
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| 12:03 | sbalneav:you using ldap in feisty?
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| 12:05 | great to have the pastebot back
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| 12:05 | <bip_> ok now it boots
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| 12:05 | but it gives kernel panic
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| 12:06 | <bip_> i guess i wrekerd /etc eport too
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| 12:06 | what u wanna see pasted now ?
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| 12:06 | <otavio> :-)
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| 12:06 | <cliebow> showmount -e
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| 12:06 | <bip_> ok
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| 12:06 | i will
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| 12:07 | ok
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| 12:07 | can fix that myself i think
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| 12:07 | one sec
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| 12:07 | <cliebow> bip_: you sound like you are crapping out at what was pivot-root
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| 12:07 | <bip_> yup
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| 12:08 | i m a master at crapping out everyting ...
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| 12:08 | what is amazing is how lill i leran from my mistakes ;-)
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| 12:08 | <cliebow> me too..i get a lot of handholding
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| 12:08 | i have to write Everything down...blame it on senior mments
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| 12:10 | your server Is 10.42.42.100..and /opt/ltsp is exported..and nfs is running..
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| 12:11 | <bip_> ok
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| 12:11 | one sec
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| 12:11 | now after fixin /etc/export whatt shall i restart ?
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| 12:11 | nfsd i guess ?
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| 12:11 | anything else ?
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| 12:12 | well i m self employed ...
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| 12:12 | <sbalneav> run the command exportfs -a
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| 12:12 | <bip_> so i never document anything
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| 12:12 | ok
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| 12:12 | <cliebow> that should do..there was a cool command bt i forgot it
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| 12:12 | ahh..there
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| 12:12 | <sbalneav> You're self employed, and don't document what you do?
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| 12:12 | <bip_> Export list for debianTestingLTSP:
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| 12:12 | /opt/ltsp 192.168.255.0/255.255.255.0
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| 12:12 | /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.255.0/255.255.255.0
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| 12:12 | debianTestingLTSP:/tftpboot/lts#
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| 12:12 | well
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| 12:12 | <cliebow> whoops
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| 12:12 | look at
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| 12:12 | <bip_> i wrtite stuff on li piece of papers ...
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| 12:13 | export was edited
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| 12:13 | <cliebow> you are exporting 192
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| 12:13 | <bip_> but then i always loose em
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| 12:13 | i know
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| 12:13 | <cliebow> but you are 10.42.42
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| 12:13 | <bip_> i fixed it
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| 12:13 | i know
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| 12:13 | i just need to know what daemons i must restart now that i have edited the /etc/exports file
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| 12:14 | <cliebow> nfs...with exportfs -na
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| 12:14 | <bip_> i can play the guessing game
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| 12:14 | hold on ...
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| 12:14 | lemme check ...
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| 12:14 | <cliebow> or if you wan to be thorough..restart nfs
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| 12:14 | <bip_> debianTestingLTSP:/tftpboot/lts# /etc/init.d/nfs-
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| 12:15 | well i have more then one nfs thingie in /etc/init.d
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| 12:15 | shall i restart 'em all ? ;-)
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| 12:15 | <cliebow> nfs-kernel-server
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| 12:16 | <bip_> debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d# ls -l nfs*
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| 12:16 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6644 2007-01-25 12:49 nfs-common
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| 12:16 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4340 2007-01-25 12:49 nfs-kernel-server
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| 12:16 | debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d#
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| 12:16 | ok just the server thingie ok
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| 12:16 | i will
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| 12:17 | ok nice errore message will be pasted soon+
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| 12:17 | <ltsppbot> "bip" pasted "debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d#" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/20
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| 12:18 | <cliebow> looks like it whined but started..
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| 12:18 | you can netstat -anp|grep ":2049"
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| 12:18 | see if it is listening
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| 12:18 | <bip_> yeah i m startin a client
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| 12:19 | i think we have got it done
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| 12:19 | <cliebow> Cool
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| 12:19 | <bip_> can i document this tomorrow dad ? ;-)
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| 12:19 | <cliebow> finish your homework before you go out and play
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| 12:20 | <bip_> :)
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| 12:20 | oh well its 7 pm this side of the world
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| 12:20 | and i got it booting ...
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| 12:20 | tomorrow i will write down notes
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| 12:21 | <cliebow> i have to print out my configs..or put em up on wiki where i can find em
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| 12:21 | <bip_> i doin a comparative test of debian sue and ubuntu to see which i one feels better fas quick and dirty ltsp deployement platform
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| 12:21 | <cliebow> i see..
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| 12:22 | <bip_> i lean toward suse ...
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| 12:22 | but just because most big commeriacl big players r totally dropping support for debian
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| 12:22 | and i find suse pricing more attractive of red hat
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| 12:23 | when i talk about big players i m thinkin at monster backup apps like veritas legato or tivoli
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| 12:23 | they have all dropped debian support :(
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| 12:23 | <cliebow> ubuntu rocks
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| 12:23 | <bip_> beside dell is selling some very attractively priced entry-level servers with suse preinstalled
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| 12:24 | <cliebow> but rsync is your friend..
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| 12:24 | <bip_> yes so far xubuntu has given me the most pain free deplyement
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| 12:24 | <cliebow> whatever floats your boat really...
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| 12:24 | <bip_> using the xubuntu alternate cd is lmost totally plug and play
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| 12:24 | well ...
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| 12:25 | after a couple years of toying around i m doing my first very smal production deployement
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| 12:25 | one server one term actually
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| 12:25 | but i wanna play it extra safe because it s a very importatnt testbed for me
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| 12:26 | <cliebow> i do that at home a lot..one ibook one intel laptop
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| 12:26 | <bip_> im at home
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| 12:26 | the whole testing setup was carried from vmware virtual machines inside my main deb workhorse
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| 12:27 | now i now i to get em booting with deb and xubuntu tomorrow i ll write a short memo e try to replicate the same with suse
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> bip_: this is using ltsp 4.2 only? or have you tried any of the ltsp5 stuff?
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| 12:28 | <bip_> well i think the xubuntu setup uses 5
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| 12:29 | i tried only the xubuntu alternate edgy cd
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| 12:29 | becuaas eit gives u the ltsp option straight from the installer and a light gui and office environement
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| 12:29 | but i think that is ltsp5 based
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| 12:30 | for etch and suse i have olly found 4.x base howtos
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| 12:30 | so it s abit like comparing apples with oranges
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| 12:31 | <bip_> and i think i have tried muecow with skolelinux too vagrantc
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| 12:31 | i personally think so fra skolelix is the best implementation
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| 12:31 | but it ha 2 things i dont like:
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| 12:32 | it gives u either kde or icewm and and lot of educatinal software i don t need
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| 12:32 | but i like a lot its fat/thin clients integration and the ldap integration too
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| 12:33 | <vagrantc> so, the documentation for ltsp5 in debian/etch is sorely needed.
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| 12:33 | <bip_> i wonder if there is anybody around interested in turning skolelinux into officelinux
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| 12:33 | well i m no coder ...
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| 12:33 | but i will gladly read edit translate maybe write docs
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| 12:33 | <cliebow> last i knew it required double nic setup
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| 12:34 | <bip_> it does ...
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| 12:34 | but i like double nic setups ...
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| 12:34 | <cliebow> i use single nic and plug terms anywhere in buldiong
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> well, so far the docs are: "apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone ; ltsp-build-client" followed by tweaking dhcpd.conf, and /etc/exports
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| 12:35 | <cliebow> yes..docs need work
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| 12:35 | <bip_> yeah they do ...
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| 12:35 | <vagrantc> cliebow: it doesn't require a double nic setup, but that's the default.
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| 12:35 | <bip_> u mean that now that i have a workin ltsp 4 setup
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| 12:35 | <cliebow> that is skole? it was quite a while ago i played with it
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> cliebow: yeah, skolelinux/debian-edu
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| 12:36 | <bip_> i can try to migrate to 5 and review the docs in the process vagrantc ?
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> bip_: well... i already posted all the docs.
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| 12:36 | <bip_> were ?
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> well, so far the docs are: "apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone ; ltsp-build-client" followed by tweaking dhcpd.conf, and /etc/exports
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| 12:36 | <bip_> i might have a look
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| 12:36 | ah ok
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| 12:37 | <cliebow> bip_: and write it up on scraps of paper 9~)
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| 12:37 | <bip_> well sounds a bit like K&R
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> in short, there isn't much documentation
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| 12:37 | <bip_> a tadd too terse for me vagrantc ;-)
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> kliknrun ?
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| 12:37 | <bip_> kerrigham and ricthie
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> ?
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| 12:37 | <bip_> real hard core ners
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| 12:37 | nerds
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| 12:37 | <cliebow> hah
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| 12:37 | <bip_> say u can learn c reading it ...
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| 12:37 | i don t think so ...
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| 12:37 | but it s a fact
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| 12:38 | i m a soft core nerd ;-)
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| 12:38 | <cliebow> not me..yet.. i bulldozed my way through k and r
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| 12:38 | <vagrantc> well, the hardest part is dhcpd configuration ... the rest is really about as simple as described above
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| 12:38 | <bip_> well dhcp i understand a tad ...
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| 12:38 | <vagrantc> except it always breaks.
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| 12:38 | i mean, it pretty much always works for me ... but...
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| 12:38 | <bip_> the only issued i had is that i have 2 many dhcp servers in my lan
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| 12:39 | <cliebow> with sbalneav and a cattle prod behind me
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| 12:39 | <bip_> that s why i love the 2 nics setup
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> yeah, 2 nics is nice.
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| 12:39 | <cliebow> yeah.. i just use alternate port
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| 12:39 | <bip_> it easier to tame to annoyng dhcp offers if u can smneak a gw in between ;-)
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| 12:39 | <vagrantc> it's the simplest way to have something magically configured.
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| 12:39 | <bip_> well
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| 12:39 | <cliebow> yeah.. i just use alternate port and etherboot
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| 12:39 | <bip_> today i discovered that vmware run dhcp on each of its host only interfaces
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| 12:40 | so imagine
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| 12:40 | <cliebow> hmmm
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| 12:40 | <bip_> i had suddenly 3 dhcp servers fighting each other
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| 12:40 | <cliebow> oh by
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| 12:40 | oh boy
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| 12:40 | <bip_> i want to cry for help in #vmware they tried to bofh me ...
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| 12:41 | i fet outraged u cant bofh a bofh come on ;-)
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| 12:41 | felt
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| 12:41 | now i have a unused nic in this workstation
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| 12:42 | if i could send the term serving there i could plug some real machines for testing into this virtual server ...
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| 12:43 | <jammcq> ok kids. shutting down now. See ya'll later
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| 12:43 | <bip_> i need to test some stuff that can t be done with virtual machines
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| 12:43 | bye jammcq
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| 12:43 | :)
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| 12:44 | <bip_> mmm
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| 12:44 | the client just shows a grey background and a X letter
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| 12:44 | i guees thoubleshooting isnt over :(
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> !greyscreen
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| 12:44 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "greyscreen" is (#1) No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen#GDM, or (#2) No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 12:45 | <bip_> :)
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> at least its a fairly well known problem :)
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| 12:45 | <bip_> ok this is documentation vagrantc
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| 12:45 | :)
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: you are wonderful.
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| 12:45 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "you" is not a valid command.
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: learn you are wonderful as thanks
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| 12:45 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: you are wonderful
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| 12:45 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "you are wonderful" is thanks
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| 12:46 | <bip_> debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d# netstat -anp | grep ":177 "
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| 12:46 | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:177 0.0.0.0:* 2348/gdm
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| 12:46 | debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d#
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| 12:47 | debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d# ps -e | grep " .dm"
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| 12:47 | 2348 ? 00:00:00 gdm
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| 12:47 | 2349 ? 00:00:00 gdm
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| 12:47 | debianTestingLTSP:/etc/init.d#
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| 12:50 | was the wrok server ip in the lts.conf file
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| 12:50 | :)
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| 12:50 | <vagrantc> heh. no need for that sort of problem in ltsp5
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| 12:51 | <bip_> well ...
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| 12:51 | but what happen if i do install ltsp5 in a machine already running ltsp4 ?
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> bad, bad things.
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| 12:51 | <bip_> does it ugrade gracefully ?
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| 12:51 | ahhhh
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> no.
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| 12:52 | <bip_> so should be totally removed before upgrade ?
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> it's actually very, very poorly handled.
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| 12:52 | <bip_> can t a removel be integrated with ascript into installer ?
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc> yeah, or at least moved aside ... like moving /opt/ltsp to /opt/ltsp-4.2
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| 12:52 | <bip_> like i see u have old crap ?
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| 12:52 | shall i get rid of it ?
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| 12:53 | <vagrantc> and then you'll need to reconfigure DHCP, tftp and maybe /etc/exports
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| 12:53 | you can keep it if you want ... as long as it's not in /opt/ltsp and /var/lib/tftpboot it shouldn't break anything.
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| 12:54 | <bip_> mmm
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| 12:54 | sounds like a major headache to me...
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| 12:54 | prlly ltsp5 from scratch is saner
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc> see, LTSP 5 (like lessdisks) uses debian/ubuntu/foo packages to build the LTSP environment, whereas LTSP 4.x is essentially it's own linux distribution ... so upgrading from ltsp 4.x to ltsp 5 is like upgrading from redhat to debian
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| 12:55 | <bip_> mmm
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| 12:56 | ok
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| 12:56 | so better otion for migratin is gettin a fresh clen insttall and work from there right ?
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| 12:56 | <vagrantc> if we're smart, though, you'll then be able to upgrade the LTSP environment at least as well as the distro it's based on can be upgraded.
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| 12:56 | clean install might be easy. but i'd hate to break something you have working...
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| 12:57 | <bip_> yeah I like the ltsp 5 approach
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| 12:57 | yeah
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> i do too.
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| 12:57 | :)
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| 12:57 | <bip_> maybe sane migratio from 4 to 5 is a good toipic for an howto ...
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| 12:58 | but i feel 4 is the ugly working brother now ...
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> that is a good idea ... well, sane might be hard to produce, but at least a "here's what to expect"
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| 12:58 | <bip_> its ugly but it works
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| 12:58 | a soirt of :
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| 12:58 | how to move from 4 to 5 w/out doin a clena insytall
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| 12:58 | <vagrantc> yes...
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| 12:58 | <bip_> and w/out burning any bridge behind
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| 12:59 | i mean the idea of a dual /opt setup is nic
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| 12:59 | <vagrantc> bip_: well, sounds like you've got a good environment to write up the first docs :)
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| 12:59 | <bip_> if we yeah it s all virtual ...
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| 12:59 | i might trash a few vboxes
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| 12:59 | but i can eventually get it done
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> isn't there a simple way to copy virtual machines ?
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| 13:00 | <bip_> the problem is that i have other issuse to fix
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| 13:00 | yes
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| 13:00 | there is the clone feature
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| 13:00 | u can simply clone a vm
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| 13:00 | or take snapshots
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| 13:00 | <vagrantc> so you could save it now, and then use that as a basis for exploring the upgrade options when you get a chance
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| 13:00 | <bip_> basically
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| 13:00 | u can do anything with em
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| 13:01 | yeah i thik i will save ti working setup before trashing it ...
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| 13:01 | my issue is ...
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| 13:02 | shall i explore ltsp 5 first
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| 13:02 | or fix my other issues with 4
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| 13:02 | maybe 5 fixes em too
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| 13:02 | <vagrantc> what issues you have left?
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| 13:02 | <bip_> my other issues are:
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| 13:02 | fredom of selecting whatever desktop evirionement i want
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| 13:03 | <vagrantc> ltsp 5 has some desktop selection options.
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| 13:03 | or, ldm rather.
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| 13:04 | <bip_> 2 i need to be able to selcet a very minimal desktop environement w/out the educational apps
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| 13:05 | basically i need a ltsp setup with the same freedom of of choice i get if i install linux w/out using ltsp
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| 13:05 | then
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| 13:05 | then i have other 3 issues to dela with:
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| 13:06 | ldap and/or integration of ms machines and/or networks
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| 13:07 | then i really love to be able to mixx and match trasparently or almost thin and fat diskless clients
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| 13:07 | <vagrantc> well, you'll have much better luck with ltsp5 for fat diskless clients
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| 13:07 | <bip_> last but not least I need a robust backyup policy maybe even the possibilty of running some monster data protection commercial suites
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| 13:08 | i know
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| 13:08 | the way it does it with skolelinux is fantastic
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> selecting your window managers, desktop environments, and applications with plain debian is relatively easy
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| 13:08 | <bip_> beside skolelinux i thjmk does very well the ldap and ms thingie too
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| 13:08 | <vagrantc> the ldap stuff is probably the hardest part of your wishlist
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| 13:09 | <bip_> so at leats 3 of my points r well covered in debian/skolelinux
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| 13:09 | i know it is ...
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| 13:09 | actually i pondering the possibility of using suse because apparentlu novell is vorking very hard in thta area
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| 13:09 | i m torn
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| 13:10 | i personally feel better and have more experience with debian
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| 13:10 | but i have a need to deliver
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| 13:10 | do u know of anybody testing ltsp with suse ?
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| 13:11 | i always end in very pioneering areas :(
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> suse has been a little slow to adopt ltsp5, that's for sure.
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| 13:11 | <bip_> well rh isn t bein much faster i think ...
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| 13:11 | <vagrantc> a little better, i've actually met some of them, and we talked a bunch
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| 13:11 | <bip_> for some reason i think they r playing wait and see
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> more like "too much other stuff to do"
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| 13:12 | <bip_> have they done any lts5 test vagrantc ?
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| 13:12 | <vagrantc> but i like jammcq's approach ... "you can run ltsp5 on distro X, but it will be built from ubuntu or debian binaries"
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| 13:12 | <bip_> well i m glad ubuntu and debian r leadin the pack
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| 13:12 | :)
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> i think that approach will make them realize how far behind they are, and what a weird situation that puts them in
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| 13:13 | <bip_> what i really like is the option xubuntu edgy alternate cd offers ...
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| 13:13 | u just pick isntall ltsp from installer and in 30' u have a working setup
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| 13:13 | <vagrantc> at least in theory, i kind of like xubuntu ... they've taken the parts out of xfce i really didn't like and made it palatable.
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| 13:13 | <bip_> now cant we have this in debian ?
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| 13:14 | maybe in lenny ?
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| 13:14 | like they added the lvm and crypt stuff into installer ?
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| 13:14 | <vagrantc> definitely should be an option in lenny by default.
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| 13:14 | in etch, you'll have to make a cutomized installer
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| 13:14 | <bip_> can we have a ltsp option in the main installer ?
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| 13:14 | <vagrantc> i think so.
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| 13:14 | it doesn't add much.
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| 13:14 | <bip_> something thta ask u few questions like :
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| 13:15 | do u want ltsp ?
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| 13:15 | how manuy nics have u got
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| 13:15 | ?
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| 13:15 | <vagrantc> yeah, it's there.
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| 13:15 | it's just not enabled by default.
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| 13:15 | <bip_> do u want to serve thin annd/or fat clients ?
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| 13:15 | what about some ldap and a touch of samba ?
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| 13:15 | basically ltsp a la carte
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> yes, i think this will be very doable for lenny, and possibly with customized etch installers
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| 13:16 | <bip_> but i think betwwen ubuntu and debian it can be done
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| 13:16 | <vagrantc> ubuntu is already a little farther along with that stuff - i haven't merged all the code for it.
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| 13:17 | but tey've hardcoded a bunch of stuff :(
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| 13:17 | <bip_> i guess if i wann get involved i need to redd about custom dbian distro and preseeding right vagrantc ?
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| 13:17 | <vagrantc> so it's not very useful in general.
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| 13:17 | bip_: sure, that's a good place to go.
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| 13:17 | <bip_> i wonder if i can help with my limited skills ?
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| 13:17 | <vagrantc> well, documentation is always lacking :)
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| 13:17 | <bip_> if i did know a good place were i can start
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| 13:18 | <vagrantc> for the most part, the code is already there, it's just a matter of learning how to set it up.
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| 13:18 | <bip_> well if i get this done
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| 13:18 | i will be glad to document it
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| 13:18 | <vagrantc> debian-edu already has a lot of the stuff you're talking about ... we just need to make it less debian-edu specific
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| 13:18 | <bip_> first i will need to documet it
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| 13:18 | to be able to replicate it ...
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| 13:18 | <vagrantc> and same for ubuntu ...
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| 13:18 | <bip_> second i will need docs to give to my customers
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| 13:18 | well
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| 13:19 | i will be happy to cut and paste and reedit existing documetation ...
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| 13:19 | i know the code is there ...
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| 13:19 | i just wish what there exactly means ;-)
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| 13:19 | debian-edu is avery welldone project ...
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| 13:20 | but a couple of weeks ago i met a coder whining about code commented in norwegian ...
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| 13:20 | now if there is still some of that ...
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| 13:20 | would be nice to make it readable for non vikings too ;-)
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| 13:23 | ok i m seeing that this server vmware edition doesnt have multiple snapshots and cloning ...
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| 13:24 | so maybe i see why this better for production deployement
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| 13:24 | while the workstation edition is better suited for devvelopemente and testing ...
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| 13:24 | u know what i m planning ?
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| 13:24 | i mving to linux my wife office vagrantc
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| 13:25 | finally they got the right setting and motivation to migrate
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| 13:25 | i have slowly moved em from propritary sappst to open sourece ones
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| 13:25 | so now even if they use windows
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| 13:25 | they use open office rahre the ms office
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| 13:26 | thunderbird instead of outlook
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| 13:26 | and firefox rather then IE
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| 13:26 | now the only thing missing is adatabase that i m moving into mysql
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| 13:27 | but until i m done with the conversion they still need to have access to some windows machines to run this app
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| 13:27 | so what i m planning to do is to convert they 2 physical windows machines into virtual vmware machines they will run inside linux ...
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| 16:03 | <PMantis> Man, a bunch of idiots in #asterisk
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| 16:03 | hi mistik1
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| 16:05 | <mistik1> hey PMantis
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| 16:06 | this blasted ndiswrapper keeps crashing my laptop
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| 16:06 | * mistik1 hunting for ways around this | |
| 16:06 | <PMantis> I don't think the wrapper is the problem... it's the ndis driver
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| 16:06 | :-)
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| 16:07 | Get another NIC that's direct;y supported by the kernel
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| 16:07 | <mistik1> I used the same driver on my other laptop just fine
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| 16:07 | <PMantis> hmmm
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| 16:07 | <mistik1> easy to say for a desktop
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| 16:07 | I think it has something to do with the fact that this laptop is PCIE vs PCI
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| 16:09 | <PMantis> Maybe
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| 16:10 | Hey, BTW... I heard Dell is now offering a choice of any Linux distro installed as dual-boot when you buy a new laptop
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| 16:10 | <mistik1> I'm even tempted to purchase linuxant driver set
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| 16:10 | <PMantis> Unconfirmed, though
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| 16:10 | <mistik1> They started that before and quickly backed out
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| 16:11 | For about a year Dell was one of the only mainline guys you could buy a Linux installed computer from
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| 16:11 | Then they went south on us
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| 16:11 | <PMantis> huh
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| 16:18 | <mistik1> I am so very tired of this
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| 16:18 | <PMantis> We all have these little nagging issues that really bother us
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| 16:18 | But anything that locks up the system isn't so little
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| 16:23 | <mistik1> Its not so much that they keep shipping with these broadcom nonsense but its the fact that they blacklist any other cards they dont see in their BIOS so if I even wanted to just change it, I cant
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| 16:23 | box wont even boot, unless the MAC match thier whitelist
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| 16:24 | <PMantis> oh, STUPID
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| 16:24 | Who does that?/
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| 16:24 | <mistik1> Dell, HP you name it
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| 16:25 | <petre> mistik1: do you know anything about Gadi's oss-alsa sound package?
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| 16:26 | <mistik1> not a thing
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| 16:26 | <petre> rats
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| 16:27 | It works great for my PCI sound cards, but breaks my ISA Sound Blaster cards
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| 16:27 | <vagrantc> probably need to set the appropriate MODULE_NN lines
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| 16:28 | the module names changed from oss to alsa
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| 16:29 | <petre> I've got SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" in lts.conf and it seems to recognize it
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| 16:29 | but then I get a bunch of ALSA errors
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| 16:30 | <mistik1> is sb the name of the correct alsa module?
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> snd-sb-*
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| 16:30 | probably snd-sb8 or snd-sb16
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| 16:31 | <petre> Gadi suggested that a few weeks ago, but when I try that, then it says it doesn't recognize the io= parameter
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> and if you leave off the io parameter?
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| 16:31 | <petre> I s'pose I could try just taking that parameter out
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| 16:31 | hold on, let me try it...
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| 16:35 | aha! taking the io and dma parameters out seems to work!
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| 16:37 | thanks mistik1 and vagrantc
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| 16:37 | <petre> in hindsight, taking those parameters out seems obvious
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| 16:38 | that's why channels like this one are good for thick-heads like me ;-)
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> heh.
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| 16:38 | we've all probably had our moments :)
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| 16:56 | <kejava> anyone here install ltsp-5 on Ubunut Edgy Eft? i have some questions about the differences between ltsp-4.x (what i'm used to) and ltsp-5. Probably been asked here a millions times ...
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| 16:57 | is lts.conf file even used anymore?
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| 16:58 | btw, I followed the LTSP Quick Install. Very useful;:
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| 16:58 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 16:59 | <cliebow> kejava:most of us are still getting a handle on the new work too
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| 17:00 | <kejava> also, when I ctrl+alt+F1 i get a login prompt but it won't take any user / pass I have on the server..
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| 17:00 | cliebow, good, it's very different. i'm not sure I fully understand this new layout
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| 17:01 | <cliebow> regarding last..are you sure the login IS to server?
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| 17:01 | or client
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| 17:02 | <kejava> good question, you mean shell or telnet? i'm really not sure. I assume shell coz telnet should work with my user/pass.
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| 17:02 | that's one reason why i'm curious about the lts.conf file. the new setup must be using some default settings found ... somewhere.
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| 17:03 | <cliebow> quite sure video settings are autpdetected on boot..quitereliably
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| 17:03 | you can add an lts.conf for balky machines
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| 17:04 | specifying by mac address in particular i thin i headr
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| 17:04 | audio as well.
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| 17:04 | sort of like a livecd
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| 17:05 | <kejava> yes, that seems to work quite well. still, I want to tweak mine. just made own lts.conf file a little while ago. doesn't seem to take the SCREEN_nn option very well.
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| 17:06 | <cliebow> only ogra knows..but vagrantc has worked on the debian implementation..he's here
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| 17:06 | <kejava> cliebow, i've done all this before in LTSP-3.x and 4.x. this new version def seems strange.
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| 17:06 | <cliebow> jammcq himself took the weekend trying to get a handle on the
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| 17:07 | implications
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| 17:07 | <kejava> have you tried this newer version?
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| 17:08 | <cliebow> ive used a ppc chroot more than the ppc
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| 17:08 | but not on production
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| 17:08 | more than pc i mean
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| 17:08 | <kejava> cool, has it worked fairly well?
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| 17:09 | i tried that new configuration gui called ltsp-manager, doesn't work for me but looks very promising :-)
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| 17:10 | <cliebow> seems to just work...honestly havlnt taken it for a good spin..
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| 17:10 | student control panel is truly Cool
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| 17:11 | <kejava> yeah, i heard about that. it allows teachers to control / monitor the student session, right?
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| 17:11 | <cliebow> yeah..much better than my teach2
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| 17:12 | <kejava> just found it in synaptic package manager. installing now. any advice on running it?
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| 17:15 | <vagrantc> kejava: yeah, the SCREEN_NN stuff is a little different. ltsp5 is typically built from packages that the host machine uses (i.e. debian packages on debian, ubuntu packages on ubuntu) .... so some defaults will be inherrited from whatever distro it's based on.
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| 17:15 | <cliebow_> sorry..havnt
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| 17:16 | <vagrantc> kejava: so you need to check if something's using that vtty before assigning a SCREEN_NN to it
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| 17:16 | <cliebow_> vagrantc has far better grasp tha i have
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| 17:17 | <kejava> cliebow, i'm checking out student-control-panel now. looks very good. thanks for the pointer!
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| 17:17 | <vagrantc> kejava: and the default, i think, is to run a getty on the client itself, so you'll be logging into the thin-client if you haven't configured anything, which has no valid logins, by default.
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| 17:18 | <kejava> vagrantc, can i still define a standard lts.conf file with the SCREEN_nn stuff in it?
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| 17:18 | <vagrantc> i think ubuntu frees up a few more of the ttys than debian at this point...
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| 17:18 | kejava: sure, you can use many of the options that you normally would. just make sure you're not conflicting with ttys already in use
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| 17:19 | kejava: there should be something in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/ explaining the supported options and their values
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| 17:19 | <kejava> hmm, how do i determine what ttys are already in use?
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| 17:19 | yep, think i saw that doc section
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| 17:20 | <vagrantc> kejava: boot a system without anything configured and check?
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| 17:21 | i think ubuntu switched the init system to upstart, which i'm not familiar with ...
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| 17:21 | <kejava> yep, got that. only have ldm and what looks like a telnet login
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| 17:21 | <vagrantc> kejava: but you might find something in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/*upstart*
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| 17:21 | * vagrantc suspects it's a local getty and not telnet | |
| 17:23 | <kejava> can't find anything in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/*upstart*
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> sorry, that was just a guess
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| 17:23 | <kejava> no prob
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| 17:23 | <vagrantc> dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -L upstart
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| 17:23 | dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -L upstart | grep /etc
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| 17:24 | <kejava> yep i get:
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| 17:24 | /etc/event.d
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| 17:24 | /etc/event.d/control-alt-delete
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| 17:24 | /etc/event.d/sulogin
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| 17:24 | <vagrantc> look around in those files to see what gets started ...
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| 17:25 | <kejava> i'll check it out, thanks
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| 17:25 | <vagrantc> oh ...
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| 17:26 | if you configure any SCREEN_NN ldm will not start.
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| 17:26 | <kejava> heh, yeah i noticed that with my custom lts.conf
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> by default, i think ldm normally ends up as SCREEN_07
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| 17:27 | if there are no SCREEN_NN defined
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| 17:27 | <kejava> yes, that's the way it seems
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| 17:27 | <cliebow> bvagrantc:ogra tells me pulse is enabled in feisty;s chroot..but does it take feisty as a serve to make it work?
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| 17:28 | <vagrantc> cliebow_: no idea. i haven't played with pulse yet. supposedly it's at least partially compatible with esd
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| 17:28 | cliebow_: so you might be able to run it with other servers using esound
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| 17:28 | <cliebow> my big prob is most of my clients wont load a 2.6 kernelanyway
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> eeeyk.
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| 17:29 | <cliebow> i have feisty on my laptop..but cant load the kernel i should be..
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| 17:29 | <sol> hello?
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> hi
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| 17:29 | <cliebow> something about detection of the memory stick slot
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| 17:30 | <sol> hey, not using ltsp technically; however I'm having problems getting firefox/flash 9 to play sound via pulseaudio to a thin client
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| 17:31 | <cliebow> are you using an ltsp chroot?
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| 17:31 | <sol> i'm not using ltsp at all
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> yeah, well, we're just learning pulseaudio ourselves ...
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| 17:31 | <sol> this is really a pulseaudio question, but nobody on that chanel is responding
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| 17:31 | <cliebow> godfrey..we are having troubles enough just understanding what We have
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| 17:32 | <sol> lol
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| 17:32 | ok
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| 17:32 | <cliebow> sol: onl the big guns can answer your question..can you describe your setup in small words?
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| 17:32 | <sol> i can use paplay to play a wav file just fine (although choppy)
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| 17:33 | sure
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| 17:33 | i configured the pulseaudio server to load the native tcp module
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| 17:34 | and can paplay wave files from the other machine just fine
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| 17:34 | <cliebow> so fat clients..?
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| 17:34 | <sol> sort of ya
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| 17:35 | the lesser machine has xorg and pulseaudio running
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| 17:35 | i simply wanted to display firefox and have flash be able to play sounds as well
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| 17:36 | <cliebow> sol: your best bet is to talk to sbalneav and jammcq tomorrow..they are both wicked busy...
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| 17:36 | * vagrantc wonders if people understand the meaning of the word "simple" | |
| 17:36 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 17:36 | <sol> padsp -s clientname firefox
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| 17:36 | didn't do the trick
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| 17:43 | <ooglaboogla> i've just began looking into the ltsp and have installed the ltsp-server-standalone on an ubuntu box, clean server install and added the ltsp-server-standalone and rebooted that server (after setting up the second card for dhcp)
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| 17:43 | how do i connect another system to it ?
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 17:45 | !topics
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| 17:45 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 17:45 | <vagrantc> ltspbot: Factoids search --values
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| 17:45 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'ltsp5', 'ltsp5', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', and 'you are wonderful'
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> !ubuntuquick
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| 17:46 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "ubuntuquick" is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> ooglaboogla: you basically need to run ltsp-build-client, and possibly configure a couple things.
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| 17:49 | gah. this having one full day a week to work on free software projects is getting tiresome :(
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| 17:50 | i have barely touched on issues i've been meaning to resolve for weeks.
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| 17:50 | <cliebow_> 8`)
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| 17:58 | <erdinc> hi everyone
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| 17:59 | <cliebow_> erdinc, hhowdy
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| 18:03 | <mistik1> *sigh*
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| 18:03 | I dont think in 12 years i've even had a linux box crash quite so much
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| 18:05 | <cliebow_> gentoo?
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| 18:05 | <mistik1> broadcom
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| 18:05 | <cliebow_> nic?
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| 18:05 | <mistik1> yep
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| 18:06 | ndiswrapper kills me dead
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| 18:06 | <cliebow_> yep..ii never had much luck with it
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| 18:06 | <mistik1> I'm on the native linux broadcom driver now but its like dialup
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| 18:06 | but at least it dont crash my box
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| 18:06 | <kejava> vagrantc, i'm digging through the lts-parameters.txt file. i don't have my old lts.conf file lying around. any idea how to specify horizontal and vertical resolution? not in the doc for some reason.
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| 18:07 | <vagrantc> kejava: X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH ... i thnk
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| 18:07 | * mistik1 will hack this BIOS yet | |
| 18:08 | <kejava> cool, i think that's it. i'll try it out.
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| 18:08 | <vagrantc> i think we just grabbed those from ltsp 4.x ... there are a few variables that we broke backwards compatibility with
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| 18:08 | all too many, really.
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| 18:08 | <mistik1> why?
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| 18:08 | <kejava> vagrantc, oops, i meant the resolution. like 800x600 or 1024x768
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| 18:08 | <mistik1> X_MODE_XX
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| 18:09 | <kejava> gotcha
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| 18:09 | <mistik1> vagrantc: I hear you debian guys like to break things ;-)
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| 18:12 | <ooglaboogla> vagrantc: i ran the ltsp_build_client and rebooted
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> mistik1: no, i blame the ubuntu folks on most of the newly introduced backwards incompatible variable names.
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| 18:13 | <mistik1> hehe
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> ooglaboogla: you probably need to configure DHCP ... and you usually don't need to reboot everytime you change something.
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| 18:15 | <ooglaboogla> how do i connect to the new server and get a desktop
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> ooglaboogla: do you have a thin-client booted?
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| 18:16 | <ooglaboogla> no, that is what i,m asking
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| 18:16 | <vagrantc> i didn't understand what you meant by connect ...
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| 18:16 | <ooglaboogla> I have this laptop here and i want it to make use of the ltsp I just built
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> ooglaboogla: you'll need to configure it to network boot
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| 18:17 | ooglaboogla: it has on-board ethernet?
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| 18:17 | <ooglaboogla> is that the only way, its a wireless network card
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> !wireless
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| 18:17 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "wireless" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> the short answer is ... no ... the long anser is there.
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| 18:18 | <ooglaboogla> can i make a bootcd that will get me there or some other method, (i have ubuntu dual boot on this laptop as well)
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| 18:18 | and grub as the bootloader
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> well, you'll have to hack the initramfs image.
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| 18:19 | as far as i know, there's no support for wireless in the initramfs
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| 18:19 | <ooglaboogla> years ago i read something about booting into a ltsp via grub
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> ooglaboogla: read the documentation in the URL above, it documents everything i know and much much more.
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| 18:20 | <ooglaboogla> well i'm sorry I overlooked the wireless detail, i assumed it would work and I'm not near the ltsp server so i've probably wasted my time with this. i really need a wired connection it seems
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| 18:20 | <vagrantc> well, everything i know on the topic
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| 18:20 | yes, that's the short answer
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| 18:20 | <ooglaboogla> i've read it a couple times today, it's in my bookmarks
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| 18:21 | what about a bootcd or vmware image
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| 18:21 | any links for that method, there's reference to a bootcd on the wireless page you sent me but not much more than a reference to it
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| 18:21 | <vagrantc> i will stop repeating myself.
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| 18:24 | <ooglaboogla> i've got vmware running on here an i could boot an iso or pxeboot image if i had one
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| 18:31 | <ltsppbot> "kejava" pasted "my sample lts.conf file" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/21
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| 18:32 | <kejava> vagrantc, what do you think of my lts.conf file?
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| 18:32 | when i start the client with it, i get the gdm screen but the keyboard won't respond. it's also stuck in 800x600 mode.
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| 18:33 | btw, i'm testing with two laptops and a cross over cable.
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> kejava: remember what i said about SCREEN_NN not conflicting with something running on the same screen? :P
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| 18:34 | kejava: and, unless your GDM server is a different machine than your NFS server, you can leave SERVER= out.
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| 18:34 | <kejava> i guess i didn't think it was conflicting ... most likely i didn't really know what you meant.
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| 18:35 | ok
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| 18:35 | <vagrantc> kejava: i don't know ubuntu well enough to know for sure what runs by default.
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| 18:35 | but i'm pretty sure 01 starts a getty, unless you've manually disabled it.
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| 18:36 | on debian 01-06 are in use by default ...
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| 18:36 | kejava: ogra is the one who would know what should be free.
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| 18:36 | <kejava> oh, you mean used by default on the server?
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> no, on the thin-client.
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| 18:37 | i know ogra made ltsp-build-client tweak some things a little so there would be more free
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| 18:37 | <kejava> how do i check what is being used on the thin client?
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| 18:37 | <vagrantc> kejava: i would recommend booting it without any SCREEN_NN entries, and seeing what comes up on which tty.
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| 18:37 | i gotta go.
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| 18:37 | <kejava> ok, thanks!
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> i'm pretty sure 01 and 08 are used, not sure about the others.
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| 18:38 | <kejava> i'll try setting the others and see what happens
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> kejava: you probably want X_MODE_0="1024x768"
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| 18:39 | <kejava> got it
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> have fun :)
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| 19:02 | <kejava> good night all
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| 19:38 | <jammcq> howdie
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| 19:43 | <PMantis> Hi jammcq
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| 19:43 | <jammcq> hey
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| 19:43 | <petre> hey there jammcq
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| 19:44 | <jammcq> hey petre
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| 19:48 | <petre> how was your 'code-a-thon' with scotty?
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| 19:49 | <jammcq> twas great
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| 19:49 | he should be online shortly
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| 19:50 | I just got home
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| 19:50 | <petre> lots of steak & beer?
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| 19:50 | <jammcq> umm, lots of steak, only a couple of beers
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| 19:52 | <petre> so, what was the purpose of the meeting? delving into ltsp 5?
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| 20:15 | <mistik1> Amazing
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| 20:16 | The bcm43xx driver in 2.6.21-rc1 is super fast now
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| 20:16 | no more fglrx of course but I got my wireless
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| 20:18 | <jammcq> I still need fglrx to get dual-head support
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| 20:19 | apparently, it doesn't work with the opensource driver
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| 20:20 | <mistik1> I've not even used the multihead support yet
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| 20:20 | <jammcq> I just started using it
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| 20:20 | <mistik1> But I know the bloody driver does not compile against >2.6.19
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| 20:20 | <jammcq> it's pretty cool, i've got 2 20" 1600x1200 screens, so it acts like 3200x1200
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| 20:21 | <mistik1> yep
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| 20:21 | I used it with my old laptop but have not been settled enough to setup anything as yet here
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| 20:22 | I'm just glad to have a wireless back that dont lock my machine randomly
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| 20:22 | I can do without fglrx for now
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| 20:22 | maybe NOT
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| 20:22 | hrmm
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| 20:22 | Seems AMD just released
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| 20:25 | * mistik1 fire's off emerge --sync ;) | |
| 20:28 | <jammcq> what did AMD just release?
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| 20:37 | <mistik1> a new fglrx driver
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| 20:37 | Well newer than I was running
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| 20:38 | I do not see anything in the changelog for compiling against 2.6.20 or greater though
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| 20:38 | I will certainly test it though
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| 20:38 | ls
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| 20:48 | blessed day
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| 20:48 | <jammcq> it workie ?
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| 20:48 | <mistik1> The new driver is there and the patch for >=2.6.20
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| 20:48 | I've not compiled it yet
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| 20:48 | In no hurry
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| 20:48 | <jammcq> ah, great. hopefully, Ubuntu will include it in feisty
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| 20:49 | <mistik1> include?
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| 20:49 | <jammcq> it'll solve a problem for me, letting me upgrade my edgy box to feisty when it comes out
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| 20:49 | they have a way of distributing proprietary drivers
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| 20:49 | <mistik1> Does Ubuntu include any of the propriety drivers at all?
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| 20:49 | <jammcq> yes, if you enable the proprietary repository
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| 20:49 | <mistik1> oh
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| 20:49 | <jammcq> it's disabled by default, but you can get it, if you need it
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| 20:49 | <mistik1> cool
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| 20:50 | ccherrett was kinda floored the otherday when he could just 'emerge skype'
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| 20:50 | hehe
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| 20:51 | <jammcq> what's the version of the fglrx driver?
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| 20:51 | <mistik1> 8.34.8
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| 20:51 | <jammcq> hmm, i'm using 8.28 right now
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| 20:52 | and there's a goofy problem with xinerama. when the mouse is in the 2nd monitor, it doesn't change shape, when moving over the edges of a window
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| 20:52 | <mistik1> I've been using 33.6 for a while now
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| 20:52 | <jammcq> so you never see the sizing mouse
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| 20:52 | <mistik1> sizing mouse?
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| 20:53 | I guess not since I have no idea what you mean
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| 20:53 | btw, what card do you have
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| 20:54 | <jammcq> move your mouse to the edge of a window, it changes to have 2 arrows
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| 20:54 | <mistik1> Mine is the troublesome Xpress 200M
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| 20:54 | <jammcq> giving you visual feedback that you can drag the edge of the window
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| 20:54 | I've got an X1300
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| 20:54 | it's the only 2-port low-profile card for the Dell 745n
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| 20:54 | <mistik1> Yea, my mouse does that
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| 20:55 | <jammcq> your mouse changes?
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| 20:55 | <mistik1> sure
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| 20:55 | <jammcq> that's good. mine does, on the primary monitor
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| 20:55 | but not on the 2nd monitor
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| 20:55 | <mistik1> odd behavior
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| 20:56 | Why not just upgrade
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| 20:56 | <jammcq> upgrade what?
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| 20:56 | the driver?
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| 20:56 | <mistik1> the driver
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| 20:56 | <jammcq> I tried, and that didn't go so well
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| 20:56 | <mistik1> oh
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| 20:56 | <jammcq> the primary monitor dropped resolution to 1280x1024, while the 2nd monitor was still 1600x1200
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| 20:57 | <mistik1> that must look lopsided
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| 20:57 | <jammcq> now that i'm getting more used to the ati drivers, I might try again
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| 20:58 | <mistik1> I've got to lay down for a bit "back pain"
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| 20:58 | <jammcq> k
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| 20:58 | * mistik1 so glad this couch is near ;) | |
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| 21:24 | <petre> time to go
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| 21:26 | <kejava> are certain parameters for the lts.conf non-functional for LTSP-5? I found this page on the edubuntu site:
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| 21:26 | https://wiki.edubuntu.com/EdubuntuLtsConfParams
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| 22:18 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 22:18 | <sbalneav> evening all
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| 22:18 | heh
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| 22:18 | just got home
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| 22:18 | <jammcq> wow, i've been home almost 3 hours
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| 22:19 | took me about 3 hrs and 40 mins to get home
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| 22:19 | glad to see you made it save-n-sound
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| 22:19 | <sbalneav> Flight was delayed, gosh only knows why, seeing as how the plane they have us came from a hanger.
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| 22:19 | <jammcq> i'm just heading up to bed
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| 22:19 | how was the wind?
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| 22:20 | <sbalneav> Wow, pleasant change for you from Thursday, eh?
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| 22:20 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 22:20 | <sbalneav> it WAS a bit hinky on takeoff.
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| 22:21 | <jammcq> welp, talk to ya tomorrow
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| 22:23 | <sbalneav> Headin to bed?
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| 23:04 | <mathesis> i run ltsp-admin ====>>>Configure LTSP and here stop in checking nfs
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| 23:04 | can i hel me
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