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| 08:30 | <alkisg> What's a good parameter name for `ltsp-update-image --export-the-whole-server-disk` ? Is plain "--export-root" reasonable?
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| 12:48 | <wcchandler> is it possible to ltsp-build-client off a custom set of packages or a pre-built image?
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| 12:48 | <ogra_> ltsp-build-client --extra-help
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| 12:48 | or read the manpage
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| 12:48 | <wcchandler> :P
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| 12:49 | <ogra_> it *had* an option to define/override the packageset ... not sure thats still there
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| 12:49 | <wcchandler> i see --mirror but that would still draw in the "default" set...
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| 12:50 | I'd prefer a custom image that I know works on my hardware
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| 12:55 | <wcchandler> hmm... --install-debs-dir might be useful :/ if it uses those as opposed to what's in the mirror
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| 13:27 | <knipwim> wcchandler: ltsp-build-client --packages ?
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| 13:28 | <wcchandler> knipwim: will that handle pre built packages/binaries and not pull them from the mirror?
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| 13:28 | or would I tell it to get the packages I don't have in the image?
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| 13:28 | <knipwim> depends on the distro, i can only speak for gentoo
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| 13:36 | <alkisg> wcchandler: in very recent ltsp versions, you can just install ltsp-client over any existing installation you like. Or you can use ltsp-build-client --install-debs-dir, if you just want a few additional .debs
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| 13:45 | <dhana013> Hi Guys I am to ltsp i try with ubuntu
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| 13:46 | i try to boot my client machine i got PXE-T01: File Not Found
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| 13:46 | PXE-E3B: TFTP Error - File Not Found
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| 13:47 | http://pastebin.com/e0gRWg3m my config file dhcpd.conf please guide me guys
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| 13:47 | <alkisg> !tftp
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| 13:47 | <ltsp`> alkisg: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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| 13:50 | <dhana013> ltsp`, I tried tftp 192.168.1.50 -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 13:50 | this step not working
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| 14:06 | <wcchandler> today is "one of those days" -- chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
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| 14:34 | <dead_inside> i like pie
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| 14:37 | <wcchandler> i was able to get it to install by touching /etc/ltsp_chroot
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| 14:37 | <dhana013> Guys what mistake i have do please help root ~ # tftp 192.168.1.50 -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 14:37 | usage: tftp host-name [port]
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| 14:37 | tftp>
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| 14:38 | <wcchandler> you try telling it the port?
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| 14:39 | <dhana013> wcchandler, i will give port number for same error i give port number 69
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| 14:39 | <wcchandler> can you connect from interactive mode?
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| 14:40 | <dhana013> root ~ # tftp 192.168.1.50:69 -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 14:40 | usage: tftp host-name [port]
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| 14:40 | tftp>
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| 14:40 | <dhana013> wcchandler, How to connect with tftp , please very new to ltsp
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| 14:41 | <wcchandler> once you're in tftp> do 'connect 192.168.1.50' what's the response?
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| 14:42 | <dhana013> root ~ # tftp 192.168.1.50
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| 14:42 | tftp> ls
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| 14:42 | ?Invalid command
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| 14:42 | tftp>
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| 14:42 | <wcchandler> you can't ls
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| 14:42 | it's not a shell
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| 14:42 | run 'mode binary'
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| 14:42 | <dhana013> wcchandler, ok How to download pxelinux.0
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| 14:42 | <wcchandler> from tftp>
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| 14:43 | <dhana013> ok i did next
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| 14:43 | the prompt show tftp>
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| 14:43 | <wcchandler> get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 14:44 | <dhana013> tftp> get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 14:44 | Error code 1: File not found
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| 14:44 | tftp>
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| 14:44 | <wcchandler> are you sure that's where the file is on the tftp server?
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| 14:45 | <dhana013> wcchandler, please check it http://pastebin.com/NXjs9LAs
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| 14:46 | my files in correct location
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| 14:46 | <wcchandler> you're in /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 14:46 | <dhana013> I am using ubuntu 10.04
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| 14:46 | <wcchandler> is your tftp server's root dir /opt ?
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| 14:46 | <dhana013> no
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| 14:47 | <wcchandler> if not try get /opt/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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| 14:47 | <dhana013> TFTP_DIRECTORY="/tftpboot/"
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| 14:47 | <wcchandler> yeah, change that
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| 14:48 | you can use root for now, but you can also change it to "/opt/ltsp/"
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| 14:48 | <dhana013> ok i change
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| 14:48 | <wcchandler> change it to what?
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| 14:50 | <dhana013> getting same error , i changed file and service restarted
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| 14:51 | i changed /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 14:51 | <wcchandler> what is TFTP_DIRECTORY=" " ?
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| 14:53 | <dhana013> wcchandler, the path is problem i change please check it http://pastebin.com/yenrwfcp
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| 14:54 | <wcchandler> yes, the path is the problem. but what did you set that variable to?
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| 14:55 | <dhana013> what variable i can't understand
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| 14:55 | <wcchandler> it's relative to that path, so if you set it to /opt/ltsp then the file would be /i386/pxelinux.0
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| 14:55 | this value --> TFTP_DIRECTORY="/tftpboot/" what did you change that to?
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| 14:56 | <dhana013> TFTP_DIRECTORY="/opt/ltsp/"
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| 14:56 | \
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| 14:56 | <wcchandler> then the file location is /i386/pxelinux.0
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| 14:57 | tftp 192.168.1.50:69 -v -m binary -c get /i386/pxelinux.0
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| 14:57 | OR tftp 192.168.1.50 69 -v -m binary -c get /i386/pxelinux.0
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| 14:58 | <dhana013> wcchandler, not working two line
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| 14:58 | root ~ # tftp 192.168.1.50:69 -v -m binary -c get /i386/pxelinux.0
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| 14:58 | usage: tftp host-name [port]
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| 14:58 | tftp> quit
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| 14:58 | root ~ # tftp 192.168.1.50 69 -v -m binary -c get /i386/pxelinux.0
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| 14:58 | usage: tftp host-name [port]
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| 14:58 | tftp>
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| 14:58 | <wcchandler> from tftp>, run 'mode binary' then 'get /i386/pxelinux.0'
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| 14:59 | <dhana013> it's working
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| 14:59 | wcchandler, it's works
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| 15:07 | <dhana013> wcchandler, Hi
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| 15:12 | Hi guys, I get an error along the lines of "tftp download complete, but unable to load file.
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| 15:13 | wcchandler, I get an error along the lines of "tftp download complete, but unable to load file.
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| 15:14 | Guys this my dhcpd.conf http://pastebin.com/HPRTBR4w what mistake i had, please guide me .
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| 16:22 | <talntid> wow, 33 users: 09:22:05 up 2 days, 10:15, 33 users, load average: 1.39, 1.16, 1.17
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| 16:23 | <dead_inside> i bet your end users are happier too
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| 16:23 | <talntid> yeah, way happier
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| 16:23 | things now actually feel fast
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| 16:29 | and it's scaling well. :)
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| 17:03 | <alkisg> stgraber, mgariepy, highvoltage: any objections in me removing support for port-based nbd exports in ltsp-update-image?
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| 17:06 | <highvoltage> alkisg: can't think of a reason not to. out of interest, why would you remove it? is it not supported at all by nbd anymore?
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| 17:06 | <alkisg> highvoltage: to have more maintainable code, ltsp-update-image is a big mess now
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| 17:07 | <highvoltage> k
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| 17:07 | <alkisg> And the whole kernels configuration is too messy if ports need to be propagated to chroots
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> The reason I'm asking is about nbd-proxy, I think mgariepy has previously said that it works fine with name based exports too though
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| 17:15 | <mgariepy> it doesn't matter to me if the ltsp-update-image doesn't configure stuff automaticly all my configuration files are managed. so as long as i can still user port base export manually it doesn't matter ;)
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| 17:17 | <alkisg> Sure, i'm just removing the port autoconfiguration part, manual changes of course won't be affected
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| 17:25 | <mgariepy> alkisg, perfect ;)
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| 17:27 | <alkisg> My end goal is to add support for exporting the server root / (essentially ltsp-pnp) or in the future even .vdi or .qcow2 disks, so I'll probably make ltsp-update-image plugin based, and I wouldn't like carrying the obsolete port-based method, it currently takes 80% of the ltsp-update-image code with no good reason to maintain it.
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| 17:32 | <talntid> alkisg, thanks for your help man.... 10:32:14 up 2 days, 11:25, 32 users, load average: 2.25, 1.97, 1.87
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| 17:32 | down from.. 60+ :P
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> Cool :)
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| 17:37 | <talntid> any advice for tuning NFS for best thin client performance?
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| 17:37 | thin clients are currently mounting their homedirs from ltsp1, which is nfsmounting homedirs from fs
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> NFS for root? Are you using Debian?
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| 17:37 | <talntid> I am using Ubuntu, so yeah, Debian
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| 17:38 | <alkisg> Eh no it makes a difference at that point
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| 17:38 | <talntid> ah, ok
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| 17:38 | <alkisg> Ubuntu uses NBD by default, Debian uses NFS
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| 17:38 | <talntid> glad I mentioned it
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| 17:38 | <alkisg> So you're using NBD for the root image, and NFS for the home dirs?
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| 17:38 | <talntid> yes
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| 17:39 | I believe so.
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> And NFS, why? SAN server etc?
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| 17:39 | <talntid> This was deployed first, about 5 years ago
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| 17:39 | 4-5 years ago.
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> So if you're looking to optimize it, maybe you can remove NFS completely?
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| 17:39 | <talntid> I can - sure. What's the recommended setup?
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> And have /home in the LTSP server?
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| 17:39 | <talntid> well, the homedirs are on fs...
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> What do you mean "fs"?
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| 17:40 | <talntid> it's a samba server, fileserver
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| 17:40 | it holds all the important docs, homedirs, etc..
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> ...samba or nfs?
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| 17:40 | <talntid> both.
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> How fast is its connection with the ltsp server?
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| 17:40 | <talntid> gigE
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> And how many NICs on the ltsp server?
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| 17:41 | <talntid> or faster, maybe. They are both on the same machine - they are both VM's
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| 17:41 | 1 nic on ltsp
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| 17:41 | 1 nic of fs
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> Ah. Make sure the network traffic doesn't go through the real network device then.
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| 17:42 | I.e. that virtio or others are used instead of the physical nic
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| 17:42 | <talntid> gotcha
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| 17:42 | <alkisg> That would free up network bandwidth for thin clients, would lower cpu usage, and increase NFS bandwidth
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| 17:43 | <talntid> indeed
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| 17:43 | I'll get that fixed up tonight when everyone goes home :)
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| 17:43 | right now, i'm pretty impressed: 10:43:28 up 2 days, 11:36, 32 users, load average: 1.30, 1.73, 1.82
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> And the reason you're using a separate VM is for additional safety?
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| 17:44 | I.e. why not install a samba server in the ltsp server?
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| 17:44 | <talntid> yes, and to streamline the backup processes
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| 17:44 | as well as to make it easy to rebuild any of the indivdual machines if they have trouble
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| 17:44 | I'm heavily segregated - database server, fileserver, replicated fileserver, ltsp, web server, etc
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| 17:46 | so that if one small part fails, it doesn't kill other parts
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| 17:47 | plus, all the non-ltsp people who get files from the fileserver, don't need to put addl load on ltsp
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| 17:53 | <alkisg> (08:47:08 μμ) talntid: plus, all the non-ltsp people who get files from the fileserver, don't need to put addl load on ltsp => not sure how that helps when both are VMs on the same physical server
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| 17:54 | I'd imagine that it would be more efficient of the resources were put in one VM instead of split into 2 or more
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| 17:54 | <talntid> it would be an interesting test
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| 17:54 | and I have the hardware to test it
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> vagrantc: hi there, any objection if I remove support for port-based exports from ltsp-update-image? (and make it plugin based, and well mostly rewrite it?)
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| 17:58 | <vagrantc> alkisg: my one concern is supporting older chroots on the same server...
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> vagrantc: one could still put the options manually
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| 17:59 | I could create a new tool if it's more appropriate
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| 17:59 | <vagrantc> that's true ... probably rare enough, too.
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| 17:59 | <alkisg> ltsp-publish-image or something
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| 17:59 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what all did it actually do with the nbd ports?
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| 18:00 | <alkisg> And after some time, we could deprecate ltsp-update-image, if that's a better upgrade path
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| 18:00 | <vagrantc> it set up an inetd entry, and configured the boot prompt options?
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| 18:00 | <alkisg> vagrantc: it searched the chroots, tried to see which ports they used, assigned new ones, updated the chroots, updated inetd...
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| 18:00 | The collect port + assign port + save ports was a bit overcomplicated
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| 18:01 | <vagrantc> alkisg: given the improvements you've made to other things, i'd rather see ltsp-update-image get rewritten, so as not to have to rewrite all the documentation pointing to it on the internets. :)
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| 18:02 | <alkisg> Nice, ok, I'll keep the same name then (even though many of its parameter will no longer be relevant) and we could put a how-to in the wiki for people that want old, port-based chroots in newer installations
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| 18:03 | vagrantc: btw I made ltsp-common-functions automatically source /etc/ltsp/common.conf if it exists (and ltsp-tool.conf too), is common.conf a good name?
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| 18:03 | ...to put BASE= etc in
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| 18:03 | <vagrantc> seems reasonable.
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| 18:03 | <alkisg> Cool, thank you :)
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| 18:04 | * vagrantc chuckles that vagrantc is the voice of legitimacy :) | |
| 18:04 | <alkisg> It's a hard job but someone has to do it.... and DDs do it better :D
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| 23:44 | <wcchandler> on the debian build of ltsp-client is there way to call the /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-* scripts with verbose output? when I call them nothing gets echo'd to the screen or in the logs
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| 23:45 | <vagrantc> wcchandler: you can add "set -x" to the script ... but what is the problem that's causing you to want to run them manually?
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| 23:50 | <wcchandler> vagrantc: I don't want to say "it doesn't work" but that's pretty much it... I don't even have a grounds to start troubleshooting -- but I want to eliminate if it's my build or not or if it needs something special.
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| 23:52 | <vagrantc> you're able to boot the thin client?
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| 23:52 | but then it crashes?
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| 23:52 | <wcchandler> I'm used to just running ltsp-build-client and it builds my chroot as I need it and I'm good to go. But I'm messing around with an arm device which is using custom kernels
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| 23:52 | <vagrantc> what's the last message on the screen?
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| 23:52 | etc.
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| 23:52 | aha!
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| 23:53 | wcchandler: which device?
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| 23:53 | <wcchandler> raspberry pi
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| 23:53 | <vagrantc> i should get one of those ... they seem like perfect thin clients
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| 23:54 | <wcchandler> seem like it... preliminary tests show otherwise. Until you can fully use the gpu.
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| 23:54 | <talntid> I want some of those too
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| 23:54 | <wcchandler> I've gotten it to boot off NFS share. Then I can connect to a remote X server, but the lag on "drawing" the screen is quite bad.
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| 23:55 | but that was X with XDMCP to a GDM and LightDM.
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| 23:55 | <vagrantc> i've done debian LTSP on the HP t5325, the efikamx smarttop and a sheevaplug... may as well try :)
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| 23:55 | <wcchandler> !
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| 23:56 | vagrantc: you?!
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| 23:56 | <talntid> he's a badass when it comes to LTSP
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| 23:56 | <wcchandler> I have an email in my drafts signed to you
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| 23:56 | * vagrantc is the Debian LTSP maintainer | |
| 23:56 | <wcchandler> just haven't gotten fed up enough to send it and write it coherently
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| 23:57 | <vagrantc> wcchandler: try ltsp-developer, and i'll reply
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| 23:57 | <wcchandler> yeah, so I've grown to learn after following the very few arm tuts online, you've always signed them ;)
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