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09:39 | <shawnp0wers> yes, will do. :)
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09:39 | <alkisg> ugh yeah also what ogra said
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09:40 | I.e. sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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09:40 | (ok ok I had said that, (05:26:32 μμ) alkisg: sudo ltsp-update-kernels :D)
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09:40 | <shawnp0wers> I bet that would have made the file edits work too
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09:40 | LOL
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09:42 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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09:43 | <alkisg> !s
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09:43 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09:44 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: ogra: yes, after the ltsp-update-kernels, the client happily booted. :)
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09:44 | Thanks for the help
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09:44 | <alkisg> Nice, thanks for the feedback
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09:44 | <shawnp0wers> Now to figure out why firefox isn't working as a local app. (That one I can troubleshoot though, :)
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09:47 | lol, anyone have the magic to mount pts in a chroot environment?
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09:48 | <alkisg> It shouldn't be needed... ignore the warning (if it's only a warning)
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09:49 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: when installing ubuntu-restricted-extras, I get complaints about... well, lots of stuff
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09:49 | hal daemon, etc
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09:49 | <Gadi> mount -t devpts none /dev/pts
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09:50 | (inside the chroot)
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09:50 | <shawnp0wers> Gadi: Thanks.
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09:50 | Didn't help, I'll do some more digging...
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09:52 | <alkisg> shawnp0wers: I don't think you should be installing ubuntu-restricted-extras in the chroot
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09:53 | gconfd shouldn't be installed in the chroot, and ubuntu-restricted-extras depends (indirectly) on that
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09:53 | <alkisg> ...so just install the flash plugin...
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09:53 | <shawnp0wers> alkisg: Yes, I agree -- I'm rebuilding the client environment, and installing the things peicemeal
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09:54 | alkisg: yes -- I may have to re-edit the files we discussed, but ubuntu-restricted-extras was a bad idea.
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09:54 | ;)
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09:55 | The good news about today is I understand more and more about LTSP5. ;)
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10:03 | <jammcq> hello friends
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10:03 | <shawnp0wers> Howdy Jim
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10:03 | <jammcq> hey shawnp0wers
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10:27 | <Kicer86> who is preparing ltsp verions for varoious distros? distribution team or ltsp team ?
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10:34 | <sbalneav> Kicer86: Well, typically, a distro interested in having LTSP integrated usually comes to us.
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10:34 | We give 'em a hand with getting LTSP going.
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10:34 | And typically, someone from that distro ends up becoming "part of" LTSP :)
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10:34 | <Kicer86> mhm
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10:35 | i see
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10:35 | <sbalneav> That's how it's worked for Debian, Gentoo, and Fedora :)
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10:35 | Which distro are you interested in?
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10:35 | <Kicer86> mandriva ;)
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10:35 | <sbalneav> Are you a Mandriva developer?
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10:36 | <Kicer86> i can't come by it ;)
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10:36 | actually no
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10:36 | <sbalneav> Know one?
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10:36 | <Kicer86> no
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10:37 | <sbalneav> Can you get one interested? :)
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10:37 | Have them pop by.
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10:37 | Mandriva's RPM based, IIRC?
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10:37 | <Kicer86> hmm actually the ltsp version for mandriva is broken but appears in repos
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10:37 | <sbalneav> They may be able to build on top of the Fedora work.
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10:38 | <Kicer86> yes it's rpm
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10:38 | yeah there is a port from fedore but it doesn't work
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10:39 | <sbalneav> Who did the port work? Maybe they can just fix the bug?
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10:39 | <Kicer86> i've reported a bug
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10:40 | i'm not quite sure, i've a mail from .spec file, and wrote mail to him, but no response
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10:40 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5Status
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10:40 | <sbalneav> What patches are applied in the spec file? How much are they modifying our upstream stuff?
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10:40 | <Kicer86> as written there, ltsp-build-client doesn;t work
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10:41 | w8
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10:41 | <Kicer86> ah if i remember good, they just include an ltsp pack
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10:42 | <cyberorg> Kicer86, i got ltsp working on mandriva using opensuse's images http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Other_Distros
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10:43 | <Kicer86> nothing is being setup, they just do 'make' in some dirs and then they copy files in various places
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10:43 | <cyberorg> but you need mandriva devs to work on getting images built using native packages
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10:43 | <Kicer86> cyberorg: i'm using a debian's image ;) but i would like to have natice packages
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10:44 | couse i've problems with coping with thin client's environment couse i don't know debian much
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10:44 | <cyberorg> Kicer86, yeah you certainly need that if you want to do any modifications :)
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10:44 | <Kicer86> exactly
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10:44 | <sbalneav> The model we've always tried to promote is having devs from the distro essentially become "part" of the LTSP project.
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10:45 | LTSP's build archetechture supports "plug ins" for distros
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10:45 | So, ideally, what you'd want is an interested Mandriva developer create Mandriva "plugins" for LTSP upstream,
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10:46 | <Kicer86> yes i know, i was trying to prapre ltsp to work in mandriva
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10:46 | <sbalneav> Maintaining those upstream, and then Mandriva could just use "stock" upstream LTSP.
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10:46 | <Kicer86> but too much work
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10:47 | and too much lacks in knowledge ;)
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10:48 | <cyberorg> Kicer86, don't worry about that, knowledge will come once you start working on it, there are a lot of helpful people here :)
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10:48 | it is not too much work once you understand how LTSP works, little bit of shell scripting is all that is required after that
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10:50 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10:52 | <Kicer86> ok maybe i'll try to start with it once again
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10:52 | ;)
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10:54 | <sbalneav> jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11:18 | <lfaraone> How can I have all non-logged-in LTSP clients shut off on a schedule? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutomatedTCShutodwn shuts down indescriminently, which isn't what we want.
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11:20 | <johnny> there is no official method atm
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11:29 | <Gadi> lfaraone: instead of having cron call /sbin/halt, have it call your own script that checks for a file, and if the file is present, halts the system
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11:29 | then, you can simply have an ldm rc.d/ init scipt create the file
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11:29 | and a start script that deletes it
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12:13 | <alkisg> Has anyone used squid for package caching? I already have it installed, so I was thinking to use it instead of apt-cacher... (also saves me from having to modify my sources.list)
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12:54 | * vagrantc uses squid+jesred+approx | |
12:54 | <vagrantc> squid is too stupid to cache the files you want consistantly.
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12:54 | it tends to throw away the biggest files, which are the most important to keep.
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12:55 | and caches Release and Packages too easily.
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13:03 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ping
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13:05 | <chupacabra> whoot!
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13:05 | <jammcq> chupacabra: hey !!!!
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13:05 | I saw your email about the conf in Austin
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13:05 | <chupacabra> been trying to ask you if you want to come to texas linux fist after march?
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13:05 | k
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13:06 | <jammcq> I dunno yet, but it sounds like a fun time
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13:06 | <chupacabra> should be im guessing. We have a meeting tomorrow about it.
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13:06 | <jammcq> hmm
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13:07 | can't give you a firm yes yet
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13:07 | <chupacabra> some of the head guys were at ohio last week i think.
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13:07 | <jammcq> ah, that's a great show. didn't make it there this year, but I've been to several of them
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13:07 | <chupacabra> I knew you had
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13:08 | are shows not worth the trouble anymore?
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13:08 | <jammcq> well. Since i'm not doing much (or any) development on ltsp, it's kinda hard for me to go and talk about it
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13:09 | <chupacabra> ahh
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13:09 | <jammcq> so, if I go to your event in austin, i'm not sure I'll have much to offer
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13:09 | but I'd consider going, just to visit austin again
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13:10 | it's always good to hang out with friends and have a good steak
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13:10 | <chupacabra> I have Terpestra interested in speaking
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13:10 | Just had a nice steak the other day and thought about our steak night.
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13:11 | <jammcq> heh
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13:12 | ah, Terpstra puts on a good show
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13:12 | <chupacabra> so what you doing lately? Real job?
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13:12 | <jammcq> I know sbalneav always enjoys hearing him talk
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13:12 | yeah, real job is keeping me REAL busy
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13:12 | <chupacabra> me to
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13:12 | not real job, terp
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13:13 | <jammcq> with two kids in college, I gotta keep bringing in the money
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13:13 | <chupacabra> yup
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13:27 | <CAN-o-SPAM> Lns: ping
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13:51 | <tstafford_> http://en.allexperts.com/q/First-Aid-995/Smashed-finger.htm
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13:51 | oops wrong window
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13:55 | i hate it when that happens
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14:44 | <cliebow> Gadi: that little nc line gives back connection refused..why would that be
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14:45 | <davidj> cliebow: connection refused could mean a couple of things. Either nothing's listening on the other end, or the firewall is blocking the traffic.
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14:45 | <cliebow> davidj!!
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14:45 | <davidj> Hey, Chuck. How are you?
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14:56 | <Gadi> cliebow: sorry - try adding -u
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14:57 | to the nc flags
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14:57 | <cliebow> you Rock!
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14:58 | seems to say open for all ports 8~0
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15:10 | <cliebow> Gadi:UDP port scans will always succeed (i.e. report the port as open), rendering the -uz combination of flags relatively useless.
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15:16 | <coordinador> i have a question
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15:17 | when i go to local terminal (ctrl+alt+F1) the system asks for login and password
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15:25 | <sbalneav> That wasn't a question so much as a statement :)
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15:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> has anyone else been having problems updating chroots in 9.10 beta?
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15:28 | I am getting an error that dbus, hal and ltsp-client are not properly configured.
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15:28 | using apt-get or aptitude
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15:30 | <sbalneav> Are you mounting proc?
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15:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: yes.
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15:30 | sbalneav: everything else updated fine. Just those 3 things.
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15:31 | <sbalneav> There's als an env variable you set (can't remember which offhand, it's in the docs, IIRC) that tells dbus and hal daemons NOT to restart
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15:31 | since when you restart 'em in the chrrot, you're ACTUALLY restarting the server ones.
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15:32 | <coordinador> Hi, i cannot load the fuse module
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15:33 | i have installed libfuse2 and fuse-utils packages
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15:33 | (ubuntu 9.04)
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15:33 | <sbalneav> Fuse is there by default
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15:33 | you don't need to load it.
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15:33 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, didn't somebody just commit something about that?
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15:34 | look at the log
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15:34 | <coordinador> when i do lsmod | grep fuse i got nothing
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15:34 | and when i do modprobe fuse i got "Module fuse not found"
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15:34 | <johnny> coordinador, that's cuz fuse isn't a module.. it is built in
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15:34 | <coordinador> oh i see
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15:34 | <johnny> ls /dev/fuse
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15:34 | do you have it?
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15:34 | <coordinador> yes i have, but i am following instructions of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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15:35 | there it says that i have to check lsmod |grep fuse
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15:35 | and says: "If you don't see the above, then fuse isn't loading. Make sure the packages libfuse2 and fuse-utils are installed. "
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15:35 | (i have both packages)
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15:36 | <johnny> if you have /dev/fuse .. then that step is useless
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15:36 | it should probablybe changed to see /dev/fuse instead
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15:36 | <sbalneav> coordinador: That page was for gutsy
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15:36 | Says so right at the top :)
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15:36 | <coordinador> i have /dev/fuse but my boxes doesnt recognizes the usbdrives
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15:37 | oh, sbalneav , i though that the page was for ubuntu ltsp5 , sorry
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15:37 | <sbalneav> Does the stick work if you plug it into a normal Linux box?
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15:37 | <coordinador> in boxes working with ltsp4.2 works fine
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15:38 | i have both systems at the same time, since i recently bought new boxes :)
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15:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: news to me
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15:40 | * _UsUrPeR_ goes to check | |
15:41 | <johnny> _UsUrPeR_, you're the kind of person who should subscribe to the feed
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15:41 | <coordinador> i will reboot with another system
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15:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: I'll get on that
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15:42 | <coordinador> i ll check if everything works fine in a recently installed system
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15:42 | ill back in a few minutes
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15:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: is that a launchpad feed? I am not sure where to subscribe to.
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15:48 | <johnny> yes there is
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15:48 | if you go to the code changes page
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15:48 | you'll see the rss link
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15:51 | <coordinador> the usbdrives are not recognized
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15:51 | <_UsUrPeR_> johnny: thanks
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15:55 | johnny: still not seeing the rss feeds in the ltsp branch. Could you provide me with a link?
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15:57 | woop, found it
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15:57 | it's in the project, not the branch
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15:58 | <johnny> i just got it from clicking on the feed icon in firefox
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15:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh. I'm subscribing via email
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16:00 | <coordinador> sorry, if i have /etc/fuse but i still havent access to usbdrives, what i should check?
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16:04 | <coordinador> when i go to local term (at f1) the system ask for login and password, i try to enter but i got "wrong password"
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16:05 | in ltsp4.2 the system doesnt ask neither login nor password
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16:06 | which information should i enter there if my usual login and passwords doesnt work, even root
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16:06 | ?
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16:07 | <johnny> you need to set the root password and rebuild the chroot
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16:07 | if you want that
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16:07 | OR
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16:07 | in lts.conf set SCREEN_02=shell
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16:07 | <vagrantc> you'd need to set a password in the chroot, but would be better to temporarily set SCREEN_08=shell or some such, which opens a shell on tty8
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16:07 | <johnny> and look in screen 2 after rebooting
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16:10 | <coordinador> in screen1 i have a terminal, in screen2 i have x
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16:10 | oh god ihave # in screen3 :O
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16:11 | why?
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16:16 | <coordinador> when i plug in the usbdrive i got in localterm "[sda] assuming write cache: drive trough" but the device doesnt appear in desktop
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16:18 | <coordinador> and when i do lsusb in localterm the device appears recognized correctly
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16:18 | but the icon doesn show in desktop , and doesnt show in ~/drives
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16:18 | <sbalneav> coordinador: Did you say the usb drives were NOT recognized on a standard linux box?
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16:19 | i.e. not a thin client?
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16:19 | <coordinador> sbalneav, yes, it is recognized
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16:19 | in normal machnes and in ltsp4.2 boxes
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16:20 | <sbalneav> ok
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16:21 | What are the perms on the program fusermount, and /dev/fuse?
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16:24 | <coordinador> crw-rw-rw- 1 root fuse /dev/fuse
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16:24 | i dont know how to see the fusermount perms
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16:26 | <coordinador> the perms of fusermount are: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root
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16:27 | but /bin/fusermount appeared red
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16:29 | <sbalneav> Since it's a setuid program
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16:30 | You built the image with the standard ltsp-build-client?
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16:31 | <coordinador> i dont remember, sorry, ill check bash history of root
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16:32 | <sbalneav> hopefully someone else will give you a hand. I'm heading home for the day.
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16:32 | <coordinador> ok sbalneav , thank you for your patience
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16:32 | <sbalneav> I'll be on later tonight. Look for me about 9:30 CST
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16:33 | <coordinador> ok
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16:36 | somebody else?
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16:40 | is there a manual way to mount localdrives?
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16:46 | <coordinador> Help, i am in a client, i put and local usb drive but it doesnt appear in desktop, i manually mounted a local usb drive in localterm and i have access to it
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16:46 | *i put a local usb...
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16:49 | <coordinador> what can i do?
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16:49 | help please
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16:52 | well i have to go
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16:52 | see you bye
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17:27 | <jhutchins_lt> When X starts, I see my monitor's 1440x900 resolution listed, but it's not available in krandrtray.
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17:58 | <Lns> Intel 945GC chipset - good stuff for ltsp?
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21:25 | <pacifica> Hi there.... I'm having some difficulties with LTSP / USB sticks - anyone here who knows a bit about that?
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22:03 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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22:04 | pacifica: What trouble are you having?
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22:05 | <pacifica> G'day :-)
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22:06 | Glad to see someone here - its been a bit lonely today...
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22:06 | Following the suggestions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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22:07 | the response to: ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.213.11 192.168.213.11 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
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22:07 | is: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyCannot open X display.
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22:07 | I'm running three Ubuntu servers with LTSP.... all work well except one which seems to got itself confused with
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22:07 | MIT cookies....
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22:08 | <sbalneav> Yeah, looks like the display doesn't have permission.
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22:08 | <pacifica> Correct.
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22:08 | By why... and more importantly ... how to fix that...
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22:09 | the strange thing is ... the workstations can be used normally... ie applications on the server can display on the workstations just fine
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22:10 | but the workstation doesn't have to seem the rights to display something on its own display?
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22:10 | at least that's how I'm reading it...
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22:10 | <sbalneav> What's the display variable set to?
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22:12 | <pacifica> Its not set (on the LTSP terminal)
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22:12 | <sbalneav> No, normally, within your session.
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22:13 | <pacifica> The right workstation ie. 192.168.213.198:0 in this case
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22:14 | applications run on the server can display on the LTSP terminal... so DISPLAY is set correctly...
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22:17 | <sbalneav> what happens if you do (from the ws):
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22:17 | ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.213.11 192.168.213.11 "echo $DISPLAY"
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22:27 | <pacifica> ok pls standby
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22:28 | Empty
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22:32 | Please note this is also the case on the server where everything is working as it should....
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22:32 | ie. DISPLAY not set if you ask from the WS
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22:39 | <alkisg> Doesn't also XAUTHORITY need to be set to the proper value?
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22:41 | <sbalneav> Well, the problem is the remote end, not the local end.
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22:42 | What's your lts.conf look like. Oh, and by the way, what version of LTSP are you running, on which ubuntu?
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22:56 | <pacifica> Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
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22:56 | I think thats LTSP 5?
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22:57 | <sbalneav> Yes. Have you applied all updates in the server, as well as the chroot?
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22:57 | <pacifica> lts.conf specifies LOCALDEV=true
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22:57 | Yes, all updates applied both on server as well as in chroot
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22:57 | Also rebuild the image, updated the ssh keys...
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22:58 | <sbalneav> Only localdev=true? no ldm_directx=true?
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22:58 | <pacifica> let me see...
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22:59 | Ok....
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23:00 | ldm_directx=true on the server that doesn't work and is not there (so assume its false?) on the server that works
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23:02 | <sbalneav> ok, so what if you take away the ldm_directx on the server that doesnt work?
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23:02 | <pacifica> Does ldm_directx=true stop local devices from working?
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23:02 | <sbalneav> No
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23:02 | <pacifica> I'll try that... the server is on the other side of the planet so I'll have to wait until my buddy wakes up there...
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23:02 | <rjune> sbalneav!
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23:03 | isn't it bedtime yet bud?
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23:03 | <pacifica> thanks a lot for your help so far sbalneav - much appreciated.... (would you have other suggestions if ldm_directx doesn't fix it?)
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23:04 | <sbalneav> More debugging would be required.
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23:05 | rjune: only 11:05 PM here.
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23:05 | Not yet.
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23:33 | <pacifica> ok thanks again - will report back here once I know if removing ldm_directx remedies the issue...
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