IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 March 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:38 | <Enslaver> is the 'dialog' program included in most distributions?
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| 01:40 | or newt?
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| 01:41 | <ogra_> thats nothing you can safely assume
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| 01:42 | <Enslaver> yeah i'd probably ask first
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| 01:42 | <ogra_> better make sure that peaople packaging your stuff properly add a dependency
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| 01:43 | <Enslaver> i package my stuff, i was only curious
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| 01:46 | <ogra_> but dialog is last century anyway ... if you want to be hip you use html5 nowadays ...
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| 01:46 | ... and unicorns
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| 01:46 | :)
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| 01:53 | <Enslaver> I was gonna write it using pascal first
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| 01:53 | then back port it to dialog
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| 02:23 | <brian_> i have been trying ti get my terminals up for two days, ltsp on opensuse 12.2. using lstp on 11.1 for a long time problem, i can not get a build that supports my intel 810e video devices, the driver just crashes glamor reports an error... I am ready to give up suse and move to another distro uggg
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| 02:26 | I canot stay on 11.1 for ever, have 10 terminals with 810e video....
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| 02:30 | tried xf86 driver and xorg legacy driver no help, any ideas anyone?
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| 02:38 | <sbalneav> brian_: How many terminals do you have in total?
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| 02:39 | <brian_> 15
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| 02:40 | 5 are nvidia 5500, the nvidia driver is working fine
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| 02:41 | <sbalneav> Intel 810e's pretty old hardware. I don't know anything about suse, but as time goes along, you're going to be harder and harder pressed to find distros that will support drivers that old.
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| 02:42 | Better tack might be to stay with suse for now and concentrate on replacing those thin clients.
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| 02:42 | <brian_> I thinks i will just move the 11.1 image to the 12.2 server for the pxe boot, and forget about the new stuff, frustrated, disapointed the kiwi build provided for edulife does not even match the prebuilt provided
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| 02:43 | <brian_> intel driver was ommitted from prebuilt image
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| 02:44 | <sbalneav> Are these thin clients desktop boxes? or true thin clients? I.e. do they have a PCI bus slot in them?
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| 02:44 | If so, you could probably pick up some cheap radeon cards or the like, toss them in.
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| 02:44 | <brian_> I know why now, budget can replace right now and browser etc are getting way out of date on current version
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| 02:44 | no the terminals are gateway all in ones, graphics built in
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| 02:45 | <sbalneav> Right, but do they have a pci slot?
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| 02:45 | <brian_> no disk drives
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| 02:45 | <sbalneav> If so, just disable the onboard video.
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| 02:45 | <brian_> they have no slots or space thin 1 inch thick
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| 02:46 | <sbalneav> ah, ok, so they're custom thin clients.
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| 02:46 | Personally, here's what I buy:
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| 02:46 | <brian_> look like terminals with etherport and keyboard and mouse, can only pxe
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| 02:47 | <sbalneav> http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/spearhead/mini-itx/
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| 02:47 | I buy mini ITX via mobo's for about $120, $25 stick of ram, and:
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| 02:48 | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0035FIS2O/savhav-20/
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| 02:48 | <brian_> yes, also need to replace screen as well, we are getting up to 250+ per terminal, not in budget this year
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| 02:48 | <sbalneav> That's a bit more expensive, but you should be able to come up with a mini itx case for about 50 bucs or so.
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| 02:48 | Is the screen built in or something?
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| 02:49 | <brian_> screen and comp is all in one, not seperate
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| 02:49 | <sbalneav> Well, that's your problem, then :)
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| 02:49 | Maybe replace a few this year. few the next year.
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| 02:50 | <brian_> yea then, so just dump old img to new server and run with it
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| 02:50 | replace when we can
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| 02:50 | <sbalneav> the problem is, by changing the distro, you might make the problem go away for a while, but sooner or later, you're going to find every distro's dropped the 810e driver.
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| 02:51 | <brian_> xorg still provides the legaxy drivers, they just dont work
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| 02:51 | <sbalneav> Yup. No one's fixing them anymore.
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| 02:51 | <brian_> yes I agree, but I need a working lab
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| 02:51 | to bad for me i guess
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| 02:52 | <sbalneav> Well, look at it this way, you got a whole lot more life out of those boxes than you would have if you'd have been running windows on 'em :)
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| 02:52 | And you can still squeek a few years out on them, but you just need to start planning to replace 'em now.
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| 02:53 | <brian_> yes, but they all function perfectly, I know that
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| 02:53 | when they break its easy to get replacements
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| 02:53 | <sbalneav> Either that, or you have to learn how to build drivers and chroots to keep things going :)
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| 02:53 | <brian_> but while they operate........ :(
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| 02:54 | yes, well I have been doing that for the past two days, they just will not work
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| 02:55 | for today, i will simply move the boot image over and smile for a while
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| 02:55 | <sbalneav> Have you tried one of the Xorg mailing lists? Maybe someone will look at the 810e driver for you?
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| 02:56 | <brian_> umm, I can not pin point the source of the crash, would not know where to start, the module loads and does a sig 11
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| 02:57 | both the new xf86 intel and legacy driver set do the same thing
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| 02:57 | and glamor will not load the xf86 version depends on it
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| 02:59 | <sbalneav> Where did it get to in the Xorg.0.log?
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| 02:59 | <brian_> really just disapointed I guess, suse has always just worked for me
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| 02:59 | <sbalneav> Everything always just works, until it stops working :) Time, tide, and entropy wait for no man :)
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| 02:59 | <brian_> I set an extra terminal on the clients and just ctrl-alt f4 to the terminal and look at it
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| 03:00 | <sbalneav> You might find installing a bootable USB key, and booting from that handy.
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| 03:00 | <brian_> its Xorg.07.log
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| 03:00 | <sbalneav> You're likely to get some better information.
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| 03:01 | <brian_> funny thing is that the live version boots and works from the usb connected cd drive... thats what got me trying to build a intel version
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| 03:02 | the log file just does not show any errors
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| 03:02 | when i boot from the usb drive
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| 03:02 | and loads what should be the same drivers
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| 03:03 | <sbalneav> You should be able to see what driver the live version's using, then.
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| 03:04 | <brian_> yea i did and it matches the number on the default repository, I even tried the build from the newer versions from x11 reposirory
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| 03:05 | the kiwi-prebuilt and the kiwi config.xml do not match to start with josh would be helpful here i guess
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| 03:05 | so had to wigh from the stuff provided from the project
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| 03:06 | and build from there, so 50 or so builds later no joy
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| 03:06 | and a lot of reading and research........
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| 03:07 | oh well
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| 03:08 | thanks for the chat, i appreciate you taking the time
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| 03:11 | <sbalneav> np
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| 07:31 | <ajith> Hi
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| 07:32 | chan I have a doubt can we have two load balancers in Ltsp cluster
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| 07:32 | if so ...gow can i???
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| 07:32 | How can i??
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| 07:33 | please help me out in this I am having huge network to work with this at least i need to have another load balancer..please
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| 07:33 | <vagrantc> don't know, but stick around a while and maybe someone will answer...
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| 07:34 | a while, meaning a few hours
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| 07:34 | <ajith> okay I wil
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| 07:34 | <vagrantc> this channel isn't always active, but people respond when they get a chance ... just takes some patience
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| 07:35 | <ajith> if i implement a regular cluster and configure load balancer
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| 07:35 | can i
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| 07:35 | * vagrantc doesn't know much of anything about the ltsp-cluster stuff | |
| 07:36 | <ajith> okay
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| 08:15 | <ajith> HI
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| 08:15 | cna help me out vmlintu
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| 08:15 | <vmlintu> ajith: hi..
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| 08:16 | what's the problem?
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| 08:16 | <ajith> on this can i add another load balancer
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| 08:16 | to the extising
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| 08:16 | I have configured cluser
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| 08:16 | <vmlintu> I don't have the logs here right now
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| 08:17 | <ajith> ltsp at my work place and i would like to have
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| 08:17 | another load balancer
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| 08:17 | <vmlintu> What kind of cluster do you have?
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| 08:17 | <ajith> ltsp cluster
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| 08:18 | <vmlintu> If you mean ltsp-cluster, I have never really used it myself. We are using different load balancing methods in our systems..
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| 08:18 | <ajith> okay
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| 08:18 | but i need some help
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| 08:19 | <vmlintu> I don't know if ltsp-cluster is really maintained anymore as there was discussion last week to remove it from LTSP6
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| 11:14 | <ajith> Hello Chan
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| 11:15 | I would like to knwo can i have another load balacer on ltsp cluster
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| 12:53 | <bobpit> hi guys
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| 12:54 | I am looking for a tutorial regarding the configuration of the clients
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| 12:54 | eg if I changed the /etc/hosts on the server, what will happen on the clients
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| 12:55 | what is the role of the /etc/skel/ directory
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| 12:55 | I googled and could not find a simple guide
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| 12:56 | <ogra_> /etc/skel content gets copied at user creation time (never after this)
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| 12:57 | and /etc/hosts on the clients is generated at boot, the servers /etc/hosts shouldnt have any effect
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> bobpit: we (Greek schools) are using the server's dnsmasq as the DNS server for the clients, that's why when you change the server's /etc/hosts, it affects clients too
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| 13:12 | <bobpit> just came back
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| 13:15 | supose I wanted to clear and reset the settings for guest05
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| 13:15 | what directory should I clear? And later should I just copy the contents of etc/skel to where?
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| 13:24 | <alkisg> You said you tried to follow my instructions for guest sessions, what happened after that?
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| 13:24 | bb in 15'...
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| 13:24 | <bobpit> alkisg, they work perfect! I am just trying to understand how it works
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| 13:25 | I tried to dissect the command but was too complicated for me
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> ah, ok
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| 13:25 | bbl
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| 13:25 | btw you might want to put a link for them here, and ask how they work
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| 13:27 | <bobpit> well, besides that particular command, I wanted a more general overview of the subject
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| 13:28 | <Hyperbyte> bobpit, the idea behind guest sessions is to a create a user, who's home dir (directory containing all user files & settings) are wiped everytime they log in... so they always start as if you had just created the account.
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| 13:29 | On my server, I have several guest# accounts, one for each client where guest login is allowed... on startup a script runs, that checks if the users' name starts with "guest" and is followed by a number. If it does, the home directory is emptied, and contents from /etc/skel are copied over.
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| 13:31 | <bobpit> Hyperbyte, yes I already implement guest sessions and they work
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| 13:32 | I am trying to understand for example what is the "." ?
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| 13:32 | is this some kind of HOME directory?
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| 13:32 | I mean the command:
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| 13:32 | ssh -S "$LDM_SOCKET" "$LDM_SERVER" 'cd && find -mindepth 1 -delete; rsync -a /etc/skel/ .'
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| 13:32 | I am trying to understand WHERE are the contents of /etc/skel copied too
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| 13:34 | I am using alkisg's solution from here: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=4056.msg43801#msg43801
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| 13:35 | or maybe I should have asked: "Where are the HOME dirstories for those guests?"
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| 13:43 | <alkisg> On the server, like all the other users, they're just deleted on login... so, /home/guest*
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| 13:44 | <bobpit> ok, that's easy.
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| 13:44 | I just could not see it in the command
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| 13:45 | <alkisg> When you ssh to the server, you get to your HOME dir, so there's no need to refer to it
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| 13:46 | <bobpit> the COPY part is this, right? rsync -a /etc/skel/ .
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| 13:46 | so it seems the initial contents are copies into .
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| 13:46 | and this confuses me
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| 13:46 | the period
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| 13:46 | so . is the /home/guest* ???
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| 14:01 | <alkisg> bobpit: for general linux questions, try the #linux channel
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| 14:01 | For bash questions, #bash
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| 14:01 | For Ubuntu questions, #ubuntu
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| 14:02 | But best of all is for you to read a book
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| 14:02 | You can't learn bash from IRC
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| 14:02 | IRC is good for solving problems, not for learning new things. That's what books are for.
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| 14:03 | <bobpit> well, this is why I asked for a tutorial
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| 14:03 | because I searchwed google and could not find one
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> That's because you're asking bash questions and are looking for an ltsp tutorial
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| 14:03 | <bobpit> and the regular ubuntu help, it was too cryptic for me
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> Those things are not really related
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| 14:04 | So an LTSP tutorial wouldn't answer your questions...
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| 14:04 | The things you're asking here are bash related, so if you want to learn bash, google for "bash tutorial" or "bash book"
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| 14:04 | Or ask in #bash, they have lots of tutorials to link you to
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| 14:04 | <bobpit> ok
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| 14:05 | ok, maybe this is the direction I was looking for
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| 14:05 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> bobpit: the main question is, "what do you want to do after you understand the login script"?
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| 14:05 | Hi jammcq
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| 14:06 | bobpit: if you want to be able to modify it, to adapt it to your needs, to extend it etc, then yes you need to learn bash
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| 14:06 | If you're just interested about "how things work", then you need a general linux book
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| 14:06 | <jammcq> alkisg: sorry I didn't get a chance to test the patch for debian.
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| 14:07 | ran out of time preparing for my trip to New Orleans
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| 14:07 | <alkisg> jammcq: no problem I'm not using debian
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| 14:07 | I just filed the bug there as a favor to vagrantc
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| 14:07 | New Orleans... nice!
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| 14:07 | <bobpit> yes alkisg, the only problem is that a book will not answer my immediate questions. I am impatient
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| 14:07 | and I have to deal with this
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> bobpit: ok, but I don't think people here have the patience to give bash lessons to anyone that wants them :)
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| 14:08 | You're free to ask of course; I'm just telling you that you shouldn't expect so much from an irc channel
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| 14:09 | <bobpit> xo xo. now I have to google and see what BASH is.
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> And then when you really have an LTSP related problem, people here might be too bored to answer you...
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| 14:09 | <bobpit> oops, didn;t think of it
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> bobpit: you can try the ubuntu-gr forum; people there do have lots and lots of patience
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| 14:10 | <bobpit> ok , thanks for the tips
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| 14:10 | <alkisg> np
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| 15:02 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 15:02 | * ball waves | |
| 15:15 | <gvy> Scotty!!! :)
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| 15:21 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 16:37 | <ltspuser_31> Hey, just seeing if anyone has had success getting sound to work using LTSP with ubuntu 12.04 using freerdp to windows server 2008r2
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| 16:40 | <ball> Is freerdp something different from rdesktop?
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| 16:46 | <ltspuser_31> it does the same thing but it's apparently the preferred choice for ubuntu 12.04. I'm not able to get rdesktop to open automatically with lst.conf but freerdp will.
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| 16:47 | everything works except the sound. It's a known bug but I'm checking here to see if anyone has found a solution
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| 16:49 | <ltspuser_31> or how to get rdesktop to automatically launch
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| 16:51 | <dead_inside> ltspuser_31 i believe in your lts.conf you can just add the option SCREEN_07 = rdesktop
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| 16:51 | under the default context
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> ltspuser_31: it's not a known bug, no, I believe it works fine, you just need the correct command line
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| 16:56 | The -- plays some role there
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| 16:57 | <otwieracz> Hello.
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> Hi
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| 16:57 | <otwieracz> Is this somehow possible to access to my ttyUSB0 connected to terminal?
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> To access it from the server?
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| 16:57 | <otwieracz> Right.
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> Use socat
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| 16:58 | <otwieracz> Hm.
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| 17:01 | Can you explain a bit?
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| 17:03 | <alkisg> socat is a program that can "connect" sockets via the network
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| 17:03 | And can also forward TTYs that way
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| 17:03 | So if you need to transfer a TTY between 2 machines, that's what I'd use... man socat for the syntax, or google for examples
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| 17:04 | <sbalneav> Depends on the access.
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| 17:05 | <sbalneav> socat passes through the data, but I'm not sure if it passes through IOCTL's at all.
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> Ubuntu Announces Mir, A X.Org/Wayland Replacement - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzI
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| 18:35 | <gvy> the world famous announcement company has made yet another announcement (before making a couple more about revisiting the plan and finally dropping it for whatever crap redhat comes up with laters)
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> I don't think the problem is that they're dropping their projects... e.g. unity is still there, even after gnome-shell was implemented, and upstart is there even after systemd got implemented
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| 18:38 | The problem is that the community has to focus on too many options and platforms now
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| 18:39 | Divide and conquer, only we're dividing ourselves and we're not conquering anything that way
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| 18:40 | <gvy> the problem is vapour instead of delivery :(
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