IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 August 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:05 | <mealstrom> good mondays morning =-O
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| 07:16 | <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, hey!
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| 07:18 | <mealstrom> hi Hyperbyte.
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| 07:18 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 07:19 | How are you?
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| 07:23 | <mealstrom> i've rebooted my ltsp server with uptime of few months with fingers crossed.
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| 07:24 | and i need one more reboot
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| 07:24 | <Hyperbyte> You're running LTSP?
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| 07:24 | Why aren't you on the worldmap?! :P
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| 07:24 | <alkisg> !worldmap
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| 07:24 | <ltsp> alkisg: worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
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| 07:24 | <Hyperbyte> :-D
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| 07:24 | <mealstrom> hehe :)
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| 07:24 | nice try
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| 07:24 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: I would be a faster cowboy than you :P
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| 07:24 | <Hyperbyte> Nice try? We need some more people to add pins there man... it looks pathetic now. :P
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| 07:27 | <mealstrom> okey okey. you ve won :D.
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| 07:27 | * mealstrom is writing story | |
| 07:27 | <Hyperbyte> Yay! :-D
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| 07:28 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: for greek schools, what would be the best? One story with many pins, or each school should enter its own story?
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| 07:29 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, I think you have to decide that for yourselves
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| 07:29 | I think it makes sense if you add one story, explain how you've been working to bring LTSP to schools all over Greece
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| 07:29 | And then add a bunch of pins for all the schools
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: also, is it possible to have a URL that zooms e.g. into Greece?
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| 07:30 | <Hyperbyte> Would be easiest
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| 07:30 | alkisg, yes, I'll make that.
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> The problem with the "central story" is that then the schools won't be able to enter their own data
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| 07:30 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, exactly. That's the downside.
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> They'd have to go through me, because I'll be the one with the edit link...
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| 07:30 | ...and I'm not sure I want to manage hundreds of pins without some automation...
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| 07:32 | <Hyperbyte> What exactly would you like from me? :-)
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> Can each school link to the same central story, and only add a small comment about its specific setup?
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| 07:33 | <Hyperbyte> What exactly do they want to add?
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| 07:33 | What kind of info?
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| 07:34 | <alkisg> Number of clients, distro, version... the pin data, not the story data
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| 07:34 | <Hyperbyte> Sure. But it'll be the same link as the one used to edit the entire story.
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| 07:34 | So all schools could edit the entire story. Not sure if that's problematic for you?
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> I don't think so, although maybe some teacher could wipe a few locations by mistake...
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| 07:36 | <mealstrom> firefox doesnt want me to finish story...
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| 07:36 | <Hyperbyte> You could say "use this link" (direct link to add location) and then give instructions to not edit anything further after clicking 'add location'
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| 07:36 | mealstrom, explain?
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| 07:36 | If there's bugs I'd love to know.
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| 07:37 | <mealstrom> Hyperbyte: just hangs eating 100 cpu. dont know why.
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| 07:37 | <Hyperbyte> Huh
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| 07:37 | When you clicked on something?
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| 07:37 | Or just at some random point?
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| 07:37 | Might be some javascript bug somewhere
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| 07:37 | <mealstrom> some random.
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| 07:37 | <Hyperbyte> Although there's hardly any javascript in there
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| 07:38 | Question - did it happen while you were editing data in a textarea?
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| 07:38 | <mealstrom> i havent reloaded my pc for about a 14 days with open Firefox
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| 07:38 | Hyperbyte: yes.
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: any semi-automated way to transfer the existing locations from http://goo.gl/maps/nOoQ ?
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| 07:39 | <mealstrom> weeee... my text was saved :D
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| 07:40 | * mealstrom continues to print | |
| 07:40 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm
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| 07:40 | mealstrom, I think there might be some possible infinite loop in the javascript
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| 07:41 | I've made it a bit more safe now. It'll adjust the height of the textboxes slower on copy/paste, but there's no more 'while' statements so no risk of loops.
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| 07:41 | alkisg, I'm not sure.
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| 07:42 | Can you export the data there somehow?
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: ltsp 5.4 missing from the combobox
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| 07:42 | <Hyperbyte> My "locations" database just contains a story_id and longitude/latitude plus details about number of clients, etc.
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> Sure, exporting the data would be my job
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| 07:42 | I can send you a .csv with the data you want
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| 07:42 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, then we can do business. :-)
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| 07:42 | <alkisg> Cool
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| 07:43 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, I was thinking I should also add ltsp-pnp and kiwi-ltsp maybe there in the versions
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| 07:43 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: maybe some checkboxes there
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| 07:43 | [x] thins [x] fats [x] localapps [x] ltsp-pnp etc
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| 07:44 | <Hyperbyte> Bit late with feedback like that. ;-)
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: I'm thinking central story ==> english, label descriptions ==> greek, sounds ok?
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| 07:44 | *location descriptions...
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| 07:52 | <Hyperbyte> Sure
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| 07:52 | Moment
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| 07:52 | (I've added 5.4 by the way)
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| 07:53 | For adding a whole bunch of locations to one story, I need to know per location:
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| 07:53 | <mealstrom> ive added my story :D Ukraine->Xcity
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| 07:54 | <muppis> netland
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| 07:54 | <mealstrom> please note if you've found any grammar mistakes )
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| 07:54 | <muppis> Dman autopopup :)
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| 07:54 | <Hyperbyte> - descriptive name of the location ("Greek Institute of Science", "Alkis G. High School", etc)00000
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| 07:54 | - country ("Greece")
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| 07:55 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: wait a minute, let's give those some thought
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| 07:55 | <Hyperbyte> - longitude
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| 07:55 | - latitude
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| 07:55 | - Linux distribution
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| 07:55 | - LTSP version
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| 07:55 | - number of clients
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| 07:55 | - number of servers
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| 07:55 | <alkisg> From a dev/supporter view, I'd like to know how many people prefer e.g. fat clients over thin clients, how many use localapps etc
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| 07:56 | And since you sum all that up in the central story... maybe we can use it to get good feedback, not just publicity
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| 07:56 | <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, yay! Nice. :-)
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| 07:57 | alkisg, you mean you'd like to know per-location if it's thin/fat/localapps/pnp?
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| 07:57 | <alkisg> I don't mind so much if it's per location or not, I just care about the sums, but it's easier for people to enter them by location, so yeah
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| 07:57 | <mealstrom> how about to add some flag like: add more information ?
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| 07:57 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, by the way, the worldmap is definitely not 'just for publicity' :)
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| 07:58 | mealstrom, there is. :-) On the link you've recieved (the main page of managing your story) there's a link to add more details
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> Sure, one can see the prefered distro/ltsp version etc, but it'd be nice to have more stats there
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| 07:58 | <mealstrom> Hyperbyte: can you add this to main form?
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| 07:58 | <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, we seperated it to keep the form from being intimidating. :)
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| 07:58 | But I'll consider making it stand out more.
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| 08:00 | <mealstrom> okay. imagine situation: i've entered wrong email.
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| 08:01 | <alkisg> So basically what I'd like to know... Number of servers: [1], Number of thin clients: [8], Using localapps: [x], Number of fat clients: [10], Using ltsp-pnp: [x]...
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| 08:01 | <mealstrom> there was no email check, and i've got it in my mailbox. So first one: i've entered wrong email, second: email hasnt arraived yet.
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| 08:02 | OMG. ive got email to google spam
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| 08:03 | you should add DKIM signature to pass gmail default spam filter
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| 08:03 | <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, interesting. I need to add some more body to the e-mail (text-wise)
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| 08:05 | alkisg, alright. I'll think about those for a bit and then get back to you. :)
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| 08:06 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: also... the locations editing will get problematic if one story has e.g. 200 locations
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| 08:06 | You have connected 2 locations with this LTSP story. => imagine a web page showing all 200 locations
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| 08:06 | The location description should show up for more than e.g. 5 locations
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| 08:07 | (and not the little map)
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| 08:09 | <Hyperbyte> Also good suggestion
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| 08:09 | <alkisg> Finally, in the global map pins, the location description should show up to discriminate between them
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| 08:10 | <Hyperbyte> Yep, I already have that one.
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| 08:10 | Location description was added later in process
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| 08:11 | <alkisg> What we put more in our "location" pins: school web site, and person in charge of the school lab. Not sure if those would fit in the ltsp.org stories...
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| 08:13 | <Hyperbyte> Unfortunately, person maintaining LTSP and website URL are part of story, not location
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| 08:13 | I -could- of course, add several stories based on one template.
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| 08:14 | I mean, if I can add 200 locations to one story from a .csv I could as well just add 200 seperate stories from one story template.
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> Nah, I think in our case schools == more of "locations" than stories
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| 08:15 | It's the same setup, maintained/documented etc centrally for all greek schools
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| 08:17 | <Hyperbyte> Would it be problematic for you if there weren't links to all websites of schools and info about who's maintaining LTSP?
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> No, no
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| 08:26 | http://www.ltsp.org/stories/viewstory/?story_id=8&secret=ed1d48
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| 08:27 | Hyperbyte: why is there a secret in the "public view" link?
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| 08:28 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, when I coded it, it seemed logical to prevent someone or something from sucking the database dry, including getting to stories we deactive
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| 08:28 | Now I'm not entirely sure it's necessary, but shouldn't hurt I think.
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| 08:28 | <alkisg> Sure, as long as the URL to the story doesn't change frequently
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| 08:29 | So that we don't need to update e.g. the wikies that instruct the teachers to add their location
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| 08:29 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, they shouldn't.
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| 08:34 | alkisg, check world map. I've changed it around a bit
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| 08:41 | <alkisg> Cool, the description shows up now :)
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| 08:42 | <Hyperbyte> http://www.ltsp.org/stories/worldmap/?country=Greece
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| 08:42 | Next you're gonna ask if you can specify width and height as well, I bet.
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| 08:43 | <alkisg> Haha nah it's good enough
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| 08:46 | <Hyperbyte> You sure? ;-)
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| 08:46 | http://www.ltsp.org/stories/worldmap/?country=Greece&width=800&height=600
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> Awesome :)
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| 09:03 | <mealstrom> Hyperbyte: You need to change yours email body text. Gmail think its spam -- few lines of message and link to site.
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| 09:05 | <mealstrom> you can try to personalize email adding First Name and Last Name with info like: you have received this massage because someone has typed it in site ... Also gmail likes link to delete or unsubscribe.
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| 09:44 | <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, yeah, like I said:
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| 09:44 | 10:03 <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, interesting. I need to add some more body to the e-mail (text-wise)
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| 09:44 | :)0
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| 09:44 | <mealstrom> oh, have missed that.
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| 09:50 | any plans to add user registration on ltsp.org?
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| 09:51 | <mealstrom> situation: i've delited email from ltsp to edit my story, or email was deleted by server as spam or something like this. how to edit it ? :)
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| 09:52 | <alkisg> Click on the "get link to edit the story" from the site
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| 09:52 | Reminder mail
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| 09:53 | <Hyperbyte> :-)
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| 09:53 | mealstrom, no, we chose to not have user registration on purpose.
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| 09:55 | <mealstrom> alkisg: if entered mail was incorect? :D
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| 09:56 | maybe make approve to story via email validation ?
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| 09:56 | <muppis> mealstrom, how you received the mail anyway if you entered incorrect address at first place? o.0
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| 10:34 | <Hyperbyte> Right. I'm an advocate of the idea that you just enter the correct e-mail address.
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| 12:53 | <mealstrom> muppis: i didnt say that i had input wrong email. I just imagine situation if i entered wrong one, what should happen.
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| 12:53 | <muppis> mealstrom, ah.
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| 13:37 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: if google maps can't find our address, can we put a more known address nearby, and then move the pin?
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| 13:38 | (it doesn't allow me to move the pin...)
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| 13:49 | <stgraber> ogra_: around?
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| 13:54 | <ogra_> yep
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| 13:57 | <stgraber> ogra_: do you have up to date instructions on getting pxe boot working on a panda? I'd like to get rid of that last work item before FF
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| 13:57 | ogra_: I have the tftp part figured out, but the panda doesn't seem to like booting from it...
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| 13:58 | <ogra_> hmm
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| 13:59 | how does the boot hang ?
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| 13:59 | do you get into an initrd or does it die before ?
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| 14:03 | <stgraber> dies before
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| 14:03 | I can get u-boot to grab the files from tftp, load kernel and initrd in memory, then it hangs there
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| 14:09 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, no, you can't drag pins... you can edit long/lat manually
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| 14:09 | <alkisg> Yeah but that's not something we can expect users to do :-/
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| 14:11 | <Hyperbyte> Well, then you enter address nearby and leave pin there. :P
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| 14:11 | But are there seriously addresses in Greece that Google Maps simply 'doesn't know'?
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| 14:12 | <alkisg> Sure, thousands of them
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| 14:13 | And I imagine in other countries as well
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| 14:52 | <ogra_> stgraber, hmm i didnt have to do aynthing special for PXE ... but then i also only booted into the initrd to wget the image and dd it to the SD
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| 14:52 | are you using the u-boot from the archive ?
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| 14:52 | (latest quantal)
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| 14:53 | <stgraber> ogra_: nope, was using one from rsalveti's blog as the one I pulled from the archive seemed to lack netboot
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| 14:53 | <ogra_> hmm
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| 14:53 | mine defaults to PXE here if it cant fine any mmc partition
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| 14:56 | <stgraber> let me grab the latest one and retry :)
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| 15:03 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, well, I'm not sure how Google Maps would allow me to "drag" a marker
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: maybe then we should have a wiki page about "cannot find your address? click here" and show instructions there telling the users how to copy their long/lat from google maps
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| 15:04 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, that might work
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| 16:10 | <mikec> So, when a user logs in to ltsp-cluster, does their entire session run off of the one application server that the load balancer chose for them? Or is there also a way to launch specific apps using the lbserver process again?
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| 16:11 | For example, I have users that log in and get ApplServerA, but I want R software to choose between AppServerX,,Y, or Z, because those are larger compute servers
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| 17:50 | <stgraber> ogra_: oh, I think I know what the problem is, I need to get ltsp to run mkimage
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| 17:51 | <ogra_> ++
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| 17:52 | <stgraber> ogra_: what's the best way to get the uImage generated? trick flash-kernel inside the chroot or do a manual mkimage run outside of the chroot when copying to /var/lib/tftpboot?
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| 17:52 | <ogra_> something like that ...
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| 17:53 | i was planning to work on a cli tool to make actual use fo the flash-kernel functions independently ... but didnt get to that yet
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| 17:53 | <stgraber> I guess the easiest would be to tell flash-kernel that I want it to generate the equivalent of the vfat fs for a given target platform
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| 17:54 | <ogra_> what i would do in the ltsp case is to just source the functions file from /usr/share/flash-kernel
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| 17:54 | then you can make use of the functions that create the bootloader bits
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| 17:54 | flash-kernel itself will try to hardcodedly write to your boot device
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| 18:05 | <stgraber> 107 mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x80008000 -e 0x80008000 -n "Ubuntu Kernel" -d vmlinuz uImage
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| 18:05 | 108 mkimage -A arm -O linux -T ramdisk -C none -a 0x0 -e 0x0 -n "Ubuntu Initrd" -d initrd.img uInitrd
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| 18:06 | ogra_: ^ that gave me something that remotely looks like a working kernel and initrd, except that now it kernel panics ;)
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| 18:06 | <ogra_> how ?
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| 18:06 | <stgraber> [ 0.000000] Kernel panic - not syncing: ERROR: Failed to allocate 0x100000 bytes below 0x0.
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| 18:07 | making me think something is off with the memory range for the initrd
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| 18:07 | <ogra_> try dropping -a and -e
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| 18:07 | <stgraber> oh, that or my mem= is completely wrong
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| 18:08 | <ogra_> drop it, quantal doesnt need it anymore
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| 18:08 | <stgraber> yay!
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| 18:08 | <ogra_> our default image only sets ro quiet and splash
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| 18:08 | <stgraber> nice
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| 18:08 | <ogra_> boots ?
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| 18:09 | <stgraber> will know in a few seconds, PXE is much slower on the panda than on x86 ;)
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| 18:09 | <stgraber> btw, any hope of updating http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/quantal/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap4/netboot/ to use the current boot flags and use preEnv.txt?
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| 18:09 | yay, boots!
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| 18:09 | <ogra_> awesome
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| 18:09 | <stgraber> well, nbd fails but that's my fault ;)
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| 18:09 | <ogra_> yeah, i'm working on converting the world to preEnv.txt
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| 18:10 | * ogra_ has to go now ... but i might be back later for a few mins | |
| 18:10 | <stgraber> cool, thanks for the help!
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| 18:10 | just need to push that stuff upstreaam now
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| 20:25 | <stgraber> debugging an armhf initrd is really painful...
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| 20:26 | trying to figure out why the initrd loads but it somehow doesn't mount the squashfs
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| 21:33 | <Mip5> Hey Gang - what's the best way to add users to a new ltsp system? I'm running ubuntu 12.04.1
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| 21:40 | <Hyperbyte> Mip5, man useradd
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| 21:40 | Or, read up on LDAP - but that's far more complicated
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| 21:41 | <dead_inside> and far more awesome
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| 21:43 | <||cw> Mip5: same as any server/workstation
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| 21:46 | <Mip5> Thanks - I was looking at useradd, but was wondering whether there was some preferred way. I'll get on it.
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| 23:05 | <Mip5> actually used newuser filename, where filename contains usernames, passwords, group name, home directory, in a form like that of /etc/passwd. Seemed to work nicely, and was fast.
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| 23:05 | Night all!
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| 23:07 | <stgraber> ogra_: ok, I now have a booting pandaboard using only stuff from ltsp-trunk!
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