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Channel log from 6 March 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <vagrantc> but it may require a dist-upgrade rather than a regular upgrade
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| 00:01 | Ryan52: near the bottom of debian-policy 7.6.1 it mentions something regarding conflicts
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| 00:02 | Ryan52: "it can only happen if they do not conflict or ..."
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| 00:03 | <Ryan52> what does Replaces do then?
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| 00:04 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: other than wholly replacing a package, it's not real clear to me...
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| 00:08 | Ryan52: seems like using "Breaks" might be more appropriate, once it's supported ...
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| 03:19 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, do i need to have DNS server running for ltsp?
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| 03:20 | <cyberorg> greenmang0, no, but it is nice if you have one
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| 03:21 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, ok, actually ltsp install on debian doesn't install any dns package
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| 03:21 | but dnsmasq is listed on ltsp wiki
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| 03:23 | cyberorg, i actually read a wikipedia article about how ltsp works, and found nothing mentioned about DNS
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| 03:25 | <cyberorg> i think dnsmasq is used in place of dhcpd
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| 03:29 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, yeah, as mentioned on ltsp wiki
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| 03:29 | <cyberorg> on suse we install dns server just to make setting things up simple
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| 03:30 | <greenmang0> which one? dnsmasq?
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| 03:30 | <cyberorg> named for dns
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| 03:31 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, ok, bind9 you mean
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| 03:31 | <cyberorg> yes
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| 03:33 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, as per ltsp wiki, dnsmasq act's as a tftpd and dhcpd as well, same applies for named? or you install tftpd as well?
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| 03:33 | <cyberorg> named is just a DNS server
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| 03:35 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, ok
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| 05:23 | <greenmang0> cyberorg, i am trying ltsp with dnsmasq
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| 05:24 | cyberorg, i disabled inetd and tftpd-hpa and dhcpd as well
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| 05:24 | cyberorg, but client is able to boot only with nbi.img
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| 05:24 | cyberorg, and not pxe boot
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| 07:28 | <Guaraldo> Hi, all...
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| 07:33 | <Guaraldo> I'm having some trobles with ltspfs on a Ubuntu 8.04 enviroment with LTSP 4.2
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| 07:34 | The log shows only few things...
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| 07:36 | the client find pen-drive, and ltspfs works fine, mounting it on server...
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| 07:37 | when user tries to open the monted fs, it simply umount itself...
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| 08:21 | <Guaraldo> hi, all
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| 08:21 | I'm having some trobles with ltspfs on a Ubuntu 8.04 enviroment with LTSP 4.2
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| 08:21 | The log shows only few things...
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| 08:21 | the client find pen-drive, and ltspfs works fine, mounting it on server...
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| 08:21 | when user tries to open the monted fs, it simply umount itself...
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| 08:22 | does anyone can help me?
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| 11:40 | <Guaraldo> hi, all
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| 11:41 | I'm having some trobles with ltspfs on a Ubuntu 8.04 enviroment with LTSP 4.2
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| 11:41 | The log shows only few things...
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| 11:41 | the client find pen-drive, and ltspfs works fine, mounting it on server...
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| 11:41 | when user tries to open the monted fs, it simply umount itself...
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| 11:41 | does anyone can help me?
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| 12:40 | <yggdrasill_> still no success with Xorg configuration
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| 12:41 | does anybody give me an Idea?
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| 12:42 | Scenario: fuji siemens server with ubuntu 8.04 installed and a video card Matrox g200
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| 12:42 | clients Fujy futro with ati radeon installed
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| 12:42 | monitor wide 1680x1050
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| 12:43 | in lts.conf CONFIGURE_X=true
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| 12:43 | and XSERVER set to radeon
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| 12:43 | No way.
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| 12:43 | Only vesa mode accepted at 1280x1024
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| 12:44 | any aidea?
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| 12:44 | <Gadi1> yggdrasill_: the xorg log file on the client is your friend
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| 12:45 | <yggdrasill_> hmmm.... I saw no relevant info there...
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| 12:45 | <mushroomblue> yggdrasill_: what's the video chipset?
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| 12:45 | <yggdrasill_> I also tried to install the proprietary ati drivers
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| 12:46 | on the image but got errors
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| 12:46 | the chipset is ati radeon x1250
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| 12:46 | <Gadi1> yggdrasill_: if you cannot get a display, xorg log should tell you why
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| 12:47 | <mushroomblue> yggdrasill_: yeah, at that point, it's really not an LTSP issue; it's X-related. :)
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| 12:47 | <yggdrasill_> i was suppose so...
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| 12:48 | <mushroomblue> anyone run an LTSP server in Virtualbox?
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| 12:48 | <yggdrasill_> I did in my tests
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| 12:48 | <alkisg> mushroomblue: yeah, I've tried it once...
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| 12:48 | <mushroomblue> I'm trying to rule-out that being my problem; forwarding a USB printer isn't working.
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| 12:49 | <Gadi1> mushroomblue: did you set up a print queue?
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| 12:49 | ltsp only makes it look like a jetdirect printer
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| 12:49 | <mushroomblue> I did.
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| 12:49 | wait.
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| 12:49 | so it'll be /dev/usblp0 locally only?
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| 12:49 | <Gadi1> it does not set up the queue
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| 12:50 | huh?
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| 12:50 | <yggdrasill_> gadil, but you mean the xlog on the server /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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| 12:50 | <Gadi1> yggdrasill_: no on the client
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| 12:50 | server is irrelevant
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| 12:50 | <yggdrasill_> I see, so you mean the var/log of image..
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| 12:51 | <mushroomblue> Gadi1: I was expecting to see a /dev/usblp0 (or /dev/usb/lp0) being forwarded to the server. I'm assuming I'm totally wrong?
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| 12:51 | <Gadi1> yggdrasill_: you should install ssh on the client image, and give a root password, so you can ssh into the client with the server set to radeon and see why it failed in the client xorg logs
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| 12:51 | <yggdrasill_> virtual box still have problem in usb forwarding
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| 12:51 | <Gadi1> mushroomblue: indeed
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| 12:51 | <mushroomblue> awesome.
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| 12:52 | <Gadi1> mushroomblue: all we do is redirect /dev/usblp0 as a jetdirect printer (ip of client: port 9100)
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| 12:52 | <yggdrasill_> vmware 2.0 server solved the usb forwarding and in my case works perfectly
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| 12:52 | <Gadi1> so, you need to, on the server, add a printer, type jetdirect, host=ip of client, port = 9100
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| 12:53 | and treat the printer as a network printer
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| 12:53 | <mushroomblue> Gadi1: thank you. that makes me feel way less angry about life. I spent the last day trying to figure that out. :)
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| 12:53 | <Gadi1> think of it as having a little HP JetDirect box connected to the printer
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| 12:53 | hehe - no worries
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| 12:53 | <yggdrasill_> but listen, to install something on the image... you shold move to //opt/ltsp/i386 and chroot this, isnt't it?
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| 12:53 | <Gadi1> I assume the docs are rough around the edges on this one
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| 12:53 | :)
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| 12:53 | <mushroomblue> oh god yes.
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| 12:54 | <Gadi1> yggdrasill_: do this:
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| 12:54 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 12:54 | apt-get update
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| 12:54 | export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=False
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| 12:54 | apt-get install ssh
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| 12:54 | passwd
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| 12:54 | (enter root password)
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| 12:54 | passwd -u root
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| 12:55 | exit
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| 12:55 | sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 12:55 | then, reboot the client
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| 12:55 | <yggdrasill_> ok
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| 12:55 | <Gadi1> with no XSERVER or CONFIGURE_X entries
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| 12:55 | and see what it does by default
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| 12:55 | and by see, I mean ssh into the client as root
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| 12:56 | and look at /var/log/Xorg.*.log
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| 12:56 | <yggdrasill_> i see....
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| 12:56 | great
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| 12:56 | thank you for the info.
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| 12:56 | <Gadi1> no problem
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| 12:57 | I find with Xorg's major shift, I am debugging video drivers a lot these days
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| 12:57 | :)
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| 12:57 | <yggdrasill_> but if you chroot to /opt...
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| 12:57 | <mushroomblue> major shift?
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| 12:57 | <yggdrasill_> you have no ltsp-update-image available cause it it on different root
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| 12:57 | <Gadi1> yeah, Xorg 1.5 changed a lot of things
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| 12:57 | and drivers had to adapt
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| 12:57 | some adapted better than others
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| 12:58 | :P
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| 12:58 | yggdrasill_: note the "exit"
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| 12:58 | <mushroomblue> hah.
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| 12:58 | <Gadi1> usually the ones that are the most open and most popular adapted better
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| 13:11 | <Guaraldo> Gadi1: I'm having some trobles with ltspfs on a Ubuntu 8.04 enviroment with LTSP 4.2
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| 13:11 | The log shows only few things...
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| 13:11 | the client find pen-drive, and ltspfs works fine, mounting it on server...
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| 13:11 | when user tries to open the monted fs, it simply umount itself... can you help me?
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| 13:12 | <Gadi1> hmm... LTSP 4?
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| 13:12 | <Guaraldo> Gadi1: Yep...
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| 13:13 | <Gadi1> thats weird
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| 13:13 | <Guaraldo> Gadi1: maybe youe heard about this enviroment... Do you remember Marlon?
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| 13:13 | <Gadi1> I am trying to think what would explain that
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| 13:13 | which marlon?
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| 13:13 | <Guaraldo> Marlon Dutra
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| 13:13 | <Gadi1> sure
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| 13:13 | mfdutra
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| 13:13 | right?
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| 13:14 | <Guaraldo> So... I work to him...
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| 13:14 | exactly
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| 13:14 | <Gadi1> hmm...
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| 13:15 | when it unmounts, does the ltspfs mount go away?
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| 13:15 | in the server's /proc/mounts
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| 13:16 | <Guaraldo> Gadi1: Yes...
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| 13:17 | <Gadi1> does it happen with all usb sticks or just this one?
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| 13:18 | <Guaraldo> Gadi1: Sometimes, plugging pen-drive again corrects the problem, othertimes, it doesn't...
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| 13:19 | <Gadi1> is it an unpartitioned stick?
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| 13:19 | that is, does it come up as /dev/sda and not /dev/sda1
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| 13:19 | <Guaraldo> Gadi1: All sticks that those old udev finds... there are some sticks that can't be found by udev...
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| 13:22 | <Guaraldo> We'll have to think a way to make LTSP5 be expansive to reach sistems like this (clusters, more than 1000 clients, and so)...
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| 13:22 | load/users balance...
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| 13:22 | things like that...
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| 13:22 | <Gadi1> have you looked at ltsp-cluster?
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| 13:23 | stgraber's guys deploy ltsp in just that way
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| 13:23 | <Guaraldo> But for now I need to make it work fast...
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| 13:23 | <Gadi1> 1000s of clients, etc
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| 13:24 | <Guaraldo> Gadi1: I'll test this..
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| 13:24 | <Gadi1> yeah, not sure about the usb stick problem
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| 13:24 | back then, we were using lbus+ltspfs
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| 13:24 | not sure how fragile the whole thing was
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| 13:28 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: I'm sure it is nearly a workarround... :-D Just kidding...
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| 13:30 | Gadi: Used to work very well untill we change to Ubuntu 8.04
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| 13:30 | <Gadi> hmm... may be a nautilus issue?
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| 13:30 | try accessing the drive from the terminal
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| 13:30 | and see if it unmounts
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| 13:31 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: The same thing occurs on rdesktop enviroment
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> are there a lot of files on the drive?
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| 13:33 | if there are a lot of images, I seem to remember issues with graphical file browsers and creating thumbnails and such
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| 13:33 | <rjune_> !seen cliebow
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| 13:33 | <ltspbot> rjune_: cliebow was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 0 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <cliebow> there is ome Great stuff there!
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> rjune_: hey!
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| 13:34 | <rjune_> Gadi, you're up new england way, do you know if the maple season is three months long?
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> dude, I am a new yorker
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| 13:34 | there's maple syrup in the supermarket all year round
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| 13:34 | <rjune_> LOL
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| 13:35 | I'm making my own.
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> your own supermarket?
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| 13:35 | ambitious
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| 13:35 | <Guaraldo> LOL
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| 13:36 | rjune_: Good luck
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| 13:37 | <rjune_> LOL
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| 13:37 | no my own maple syrup
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| 13:37 | everybody's a comedian
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| 13:56 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Will we make a LTSP HackFest during FISL10?
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| 15:05 | <knipwim> ok, i can boot into the ltsp greeter
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| 15:06 | but when i enter username and password of a user on the server it stalls for 30s with
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| 15:06 | verifying password. please wait
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| 15:06 | and then a no repsonse from server, restarting
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> knipwim: distro, version?
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| 15:06 | <knipwim> gentoo, ltsp 5
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| 15:06 | <johnny> and sshd is running on the server?
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| 15:07 | <knipwim> yep
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| 15:07 | <johnny> check your ldm.log on the client
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| 15:08 | <knipwim> ah
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| 15:08 | expect saw: The authenticity of host '192.168.0.52 (192.168.0.52)' can't be established.
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| 15:08 | <johnny> hmm.. it should have copied the keys over
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| 15:08 | <knipwim> might have something to do with it
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| 15:08 | <johnny> yes it does
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| 15:09 | it means the client doesn't have the server keys
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| 15:10 | run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 15:10 | it sounds like your install got interrupted
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| 15:10 | which according to your bug comments.. is true
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| 15:10 | i really need to fix the ebuild for ldm to require iso-codes
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| 15:10 | <knipwim> :)
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| 15:12 | <nicros> anyone here using LTSP-Cluster?
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| 15:17 | <knipwim> johnny: nice one, thanks for the ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 15:18 | my first ltsp boot!
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| 15:20 | <johnny> knipwim, i've been really hoping for pieces of gentoo itself that we need to stabilize before really pushing forward and dealing with certain issues
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| 15:20 | like udev 135 (or above) being stabilized
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| 15:20 | and openrc being stable
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| 16:59 | <vagrantc> yay! ldm with ldm-server got out of NEW processing :)
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| 18:08 | sorry... keyboard cleaning
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| 20:24 | <alkisg> I want to create a wineuser to install wine programs, and all other users to be able to see his .wine directory as writable, but any changes to it to be discarted. What do I need? tmpfs and unionfs?
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| 21:27 | <johnny> wine still doesn't have a way to install programs in say /opt?
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| 21:27 | why not just make the ~/.wine reg files look elsewhere for the progs..
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| 21:40 | <alkisg1> johnny: it would be difficult to manually change the ~/.wine reg files for all installed programs. No, I don't think wine supports installing programs in /opt, unless one manually specifies that with env WINEPREFIX=/opt/...
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