IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 8 October 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:56 | <cdealer> hey
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| 08:58 | <cdealer> one strange thing is happening... after setting the default keyboard layout to abnt2 everything work fine less the numpad comma ... anyone knows why is that?
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| 08:58 | <bgomes> cdealer: if u say in portugues send private mensage to me
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| 08:59 | <cdealer> [bgomes]:: ok
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| 09:01 | <IRCzito> :D
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| 09:03 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: if i set anything on xmodmaprc it will work for the clients?
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| 09:03 | <bgomes> IRCzito: hi
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| 09:04 | <IRCzito> bgomes: hello
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| 09:04 | <bgomes> IRCzito: u see the us internet link is woking fine!!
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| 09:05 | <bgomes> IRCzito: I was send the new files to us wiki, see there chat your in #ltsp, about init script
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| 09:05 | <IRCzito> bgomes: I think no, now donload is in tx 3.48 KB/s
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| 09:06 | <bgomes> IRCzito: I have make fast download on las nitght with 110kbits
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| 09:07 | <upro> Hi! What gardwaredo I need for a thin client for home use? (I don't have much money...)
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| 09:09 | <IRCzito> i read somthing last nigth about initramfs. and the defalut initramfs script exists in "bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/ltsp-mainline ltsp-YOUR-DISTRO"
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| 09:09 | bgomes:
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| 09:10 | <bgomes> IRCzito: I was to send this in us wiki on last night
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| 09:19 | <bgomes> IRCzito: do u open a link if I send for u?
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| 09:21 | <cdealer> ogra .Xmodmap worked great for this problem =D
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| 09:31 | <upro> Sorry for my typos, I was trying to ask: What hardware would I need for a thin client for home use, if I don't have a lot of money?
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| 09:38 | <cdealer> [upro]:: any lowcost hardware may be used
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| 09:38 | like pentium III or even a pentium 200 with 128mb of ram
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| 09:39 | there are case of people using a 486
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| 09:40 | <upro> cdealer: Do I need an entire computer, or just some partsof it? (i. e. no HD)
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| 09:42 | <cdealer> [upro]:: you will be using a pxe thin client, mainboard, processor, memory, ethernet card, keyboard and mouse and a video out .... its a computer, but without cdrom, hd and even a disket if you nic is a pxe one
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| 09:58 | <upro> cdealer: Sorry, but what is "pxe"?
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| 09:58 | cdealer: I mean where wuld I get something like that and how much does it cost?
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| 10:02 | <elisboa> upro: Pre eXecution Environment: you download a bootstrap file from the tftp server, then download the kernel and, if needed, it's corresponding initrd
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| 10:03 | <upro> elisboa: and I'd install it on what kind of machine?
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| 10:03 | <elisboa> upro: that's what your thin client would use, if not etherboot
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| 10:04 | <upro> elisboa: What machine do I use as "thin client" then?
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| 10:07 | <elisboa> upro: do you know which channel you have just came in?
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| 10:16 | <upro> elisboa: isn't this the linux - thin client related channel?
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| 10:16 | <sgtpepper> can anyone help me with a very popular issue
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| 10:16 | <upro> elisboa: I found the channel name on http://www.ltsp.org/
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| 10:17 | <sgtpepper> no sound in ThinClients with LTSP 4.2
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| 10:17 | already checked links and google it
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| 10:17 | my config is OK
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| 10:17 | but for example
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| 10:17 | vlc media player crashes
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| 10:17 | mplayer has no sound
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| 10:17 | i'm using esd, but I'd gladly use nasd
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| 10:17 | the os is Fedora 7
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| 10:29 | <Gadi> sgtpepper: can you open a terminal and play an audio file with: mplayer -ao esd <filename> ?
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| 10:29 | <sgtpepper> nope
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| 10:29 | but I can play files now with gstreamer
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| 10:30 | I had to launch esd manually
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| 10:30 | really don't know why
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| 10:30 | in the thinclinent
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> did you have the right sound driver?
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| 10:31 | <sgtpepper> yes
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> is it an OSS or an ALSA driver?
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| 10:31 | <sgtpepper> I just loaded esd from the shell in the thin client
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| 10:31 | alsa driver
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> (does it begin with: snd-?
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| 10:31 | <sgtpepper> yes
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> did you use the LTSP-esd-alsa pkg?
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| 10:31 | <sgtpepper> yes
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| 10:31 | <Gadi> hmm..
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| 10:32 | <sgtpepper> that's unsupported here?
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> and esd never started by itself?
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| 10:32 | thats odd
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| 10:32 | <sgtpepper> the thing is
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| 10:32 | I thought it started
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| 10:32 | because it said so
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| 10:32 | but it did not work until I started it manually
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> hmm... thats a new one
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| 10:33 | <sgtpepper> ohh
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| 10:33 | the differnce is
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| 10:33 | rc.sound launches it without -public
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| 10:33 | might be a permissions issue
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| 10:33 | i'll modify it
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> try reinstalling the LTSP-esd-alsa pkg
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| 10:33 | <upro> elisboa: So is this the wrong forum to learn sth aboutlinux thin clients?
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> since it isn't a real "package", parts may have been overwritten by a server upgrade
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| 10:34 | <sgtpepper> Gadi
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| 10:34 | I was thinking
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> upro?
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| 10:34 | <sgtpepper> maybe mplayer in f7 is not compiled --with-esd
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> sgtpepper: usually is
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| 10:34 | but, it could be
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> anythingg's possible
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| 10:35 | explicitly saying -ao esd on the cmdline is a good way to know
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| 10:35 | <sgtpepper> I tried
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| 10:35 | and the output says no sound
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> then, you may be right
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| 10:36 | <upro> Gadi: elisboa asked if I knew if I knew in which forum I was asking my questions concertning "thin clients for newbies"...
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| 10:36 | <sgtpepper> Gadi: Sound Input also works?
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| 10:36 | <Gadi> upro: ah...
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| 10:36 | <upro> Gadi: I was wondering what minimal hardware I would need for a thin client
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> upro: motherboard+ram (onboard video and nic too)
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| 10:37 | <sgtpepper> I used it this weekend on Pentium 100 32 Mb ram
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> and either PXE support or something you can boot from to initiate a network boot
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| 10:37 | <sgtpepper> nic based on Realtek 8029
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| 10:37 | <Gadi> sgtpepper: good qu - I never had the pleasure to play with it
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| 10:38 | * Gadi talks too much with his hands | |
| 10:38 | <Gadi> :)
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| 10:38 | <sgtpepper> now that I've sound
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| 10:38 | I need a SIP softphone working
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| 10:38 | lol
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| 10:38 | actually
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| 10:39 | on my test hardware (IBM T4X laptops)
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| 10:39 | I'm viewing streaming video
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| 10:43 | <Gadi> upro: if ur a newbie to all this, you may want to look at some of the docs at edubuntu.org . They're FAQ also points to these places: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ#head-4ba155d5f75f9f368526fe180fef38e2be6416b4
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| 10:45 | <upro> Gadi: ok, thanks.
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| 10:51 | <sgtpepper> Gadi:
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| 10:51 | can I wrapp something around ESD to use a softphone?
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> sgtpepper: Im not sure that esd is bidirectional. I think that was one of the benefits of pulseaudio
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| 10:55 | <sgtpepper> pulseaudio?
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> (as long as you are testing, you may want to try an (ed)ubuntu install
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| 10:55 | <sgtpepper> is there any tar?
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> pulseaudio is an esd-compat replacement for esd
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| 10:56 | (esd has been a project on life support for many years with little lovin)
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| 10:56 | sgtpepper: noone that I know of
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| 10:56 | <sgtpepper> and nasd supports bi-directional audio?
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| 10:56 | <Gadi> but, it has been integrated into Ubuntu's LTSP since Feisty
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| 10:57 | <sgtpepper> Debian ok... Ubuntu ----:s
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| 10:57 | <Gadi> or debian
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| 10:57 | 1 sec
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| 10:57 | brb
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| 11:10 | <cdealer> how do I see what display the client is using ? I must use the xset command to deactivate the speaker but I must set to a display... display :0 doesnt worked
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| 11:21 | <cdealer> no one ?
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| 11:21 | ;~
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| 11:23 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 11:24 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: something is telling me that you are going to save me
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| 11:24 | hahaha
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| 11:24 | [sbalneav]:: how do I see what display the client is using ? I must use the xset command to deactivate the speaker but I must set to a display... display :0 doesnt worked
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| 11:25 | <sbalneav> echo $DISPLAY
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| 11:25 | Or are you running this on the client?
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| 11:27 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: Im running on the server... but if $DISPLAY work i will put under .profile
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| 11:30 | [sbalneav]:: echo $DISPLAY is returning null
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| 11:31 | <sbalneav> Where are you doing this?
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| 11:31 | In an xterm opened on a logged in terminal?
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| 11:31 | Log into a terminal
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| 11:31 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: I did on the client... started a term and did the echo
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| 11:31 | <sbalneav> open a terminal
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| 11:31 | echo $DISPLAY
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| 11:32 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: I must do inside the X or in the tty ?
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| 11:32 | <sbalneav> in X
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| 11:32 | it won't be set on a tty
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| 11:32 | <cdealer> yeah .. I imagine
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| 11:33 | so .. i did it right
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| 11:33 | <sbalneav> Well, if you're logged in graphically, you have to have a $DISPLAY, or otherwise, you wouldn't be logged in :)
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| 11:33 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: okay okay
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| 11:33 | it showed
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| 11:33 | I must typed something wrong ...
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| 11:34 | sorry
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| 11:34 | my mistake]
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| 11:56 | <klausade> cdealer: echo "pcspkr" > /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/pcspkr in the chroot stops the speaker, or?
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| 11:57 | <cdealer> [klausade]:: I just set in /etc/bash.bashrc -> /usr/bin/xset -display $DISPLAY b off
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| 11:57 | <peter_> hey can anyone help? im running a kubuntu feisty thin client server. the client books fine, gets to the login screen, but when i try and log in it always goes to the X icon and resets. ssh is running for sure. any ideas?
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| 11:58 | <cdealer> [peter_]:: ltsp-ssh-updatekeys
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| 11:58 | ops
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| 11:58 | <peter_> tried that too :(
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| 11:58 | <cdealer> ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 11:58 | [peter_]:: have you created the users?
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| 11:58 | O.o
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| 11:59 | <peter_> yup...
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| 11:59 | <cdealer> hmmm you seted to any password to expire?
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| 12:00 | <peter_> no. hmmmmmmm. i just logged in with a different user and it worked fine. maybe i have to log them in on the server first... a bit weird tho :|
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| 12:00 | as in i logged in with this user and its fine but the other user doesnt work
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| 12:00 | hmm
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| 12:01 | <cdealer> [peter_]:: create the user again
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| 12:02 | <peter_> sounds like a plan
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| 12:03 | do you know if its possible to get a nice passwordless login with juts a list of users you can click on windows stylie?
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| 12:03 | <peter_> trying to get this as userfriendly as poss for a small office
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| 12:03 | hmm how weird that user wont work at all
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| 12:05 | is there maybe a group rpoblem or something? is there s agroup ltsp users need to be in?
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| 12:05 | <cdealer> [peter_]:: im not remember where... but you can set a autologin
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| 12:08 | <peter_> brb, hunch
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| 12:12 | <peter_> haha, kde demands a new password as soon as you create a new user :) working now :D
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| 12:17 | <upro> Gadi: remember my question concerning thin clients you pinted me to the edubuntu faq) Is this machine ok? http://cgi.ebay.de/THIN-CLIENT-NCD-THINSTAR-232-TERMINAL-10-100-LAN-SOUND_W0QQitemZ270167575977QQihZ017QQcategoryZ8075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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| 12:19 | <upro> it#s a think client machine with Windos installed on. Can I change that to linux? How doses that work?
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| 12:23 | <peter_> if you download an installer CD off the edubuntu site, itll install itself on that comnputer and then you just plug everythign in :)
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| 12:24 | <upro> peter_: Does this mean that I can "install" a linux client on that very machine?
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| 12:25 | <peter_> yes
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| 12:25 | you can either dual boot it, or just wipe it and put on edubuntu
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| 12:26 | <upro> peter_: How can I wipe and install if the thin client - machine does not have a cdrom drive?
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| 12:26 | <peter_> ohh
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| 12:26 | well
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| 12:27 | the thin client doesnt need wiping,. that boots itself using the nwtork
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| 12:27 | you will need a thick client, a decently specced server to power the thin clients though
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| 12:27 | <cdealer> [peter_]:: with ltsp you can only but with pxe
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| 12:27 | *but= boot
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| 12:27 | <peter_> sorry i think i misunderstood your question
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| 12:28 | the thin client itself doesnt have anythin on it at all apart froma bootable network card
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| 12:28 | <upro> How come the seller states explicitely Windows CE on the thhin client machine?
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| 12:28 | <peter_> i wonder that
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| 12:28 | <cdealer> here we are making the primary test in a p4 3.0 ht with 2gb ram and 10 clients connected... its running very smoth
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| 12:29 | <peter_> i think it must be a compatability thing. like, not all clients work with all servers
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| 12:29 | <cdealer> [upro]:: this is other case, and even pxe windows terminal server will need client licenses
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| 12:29 | <peter_> that sounds nice cdealer :)
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| 12:29 | it is amazingly effcient
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| 12:29 | <cdealer> in this case where the os come embedded it has a hd with the system basis image
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| 12:29 | <upro> is someone able to tell me which machgine fro an ebay "choice of the moment" would be ok for a ubuntu-based ltsp network?
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| 12:29 | <peter_> yeah i got a neoware thin client and it seems to ahve some kind of weird software on
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| 12:30 | <cdealer> [peter_]:: yeah, we make sometest and opened more them 40 application on a client and still was fast
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| 12:30 | <peter_> well theres a page in the LTSP wiki for clinets
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| 12:30 | its not very full, but most things with a PXE boot will work. tius good to have a stack of cheap PCI graphics cards to hand though
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| 12:30 | <upro> cdealer: I believe that they have somesoftware in a flash memory
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| 12:30 | <peter_> cdealer: cool :) have you tried using prelink too? that works very well
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| 12:30 | <cdealer> urpro, you dont need a "compatibly" machine... you will need a powerfull test
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| 12:31 | <upro> How do I find out if the machines support pxe (if the description does not state it)?
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| 12:31 | <peter_> yeah i have run 3 xubuntu clients off a P4 with 512meg ram... but thats the limit
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| 12:31 | the description should. but tbh id be surprised if a thin client didnt support pxe
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| 12:31 | this neoware one i have is brilliant. needs a gfx card in but very quiet, very low power
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| 12:32 | sadly there is very little documentation about things that definately work though :(
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| 12:32 | the main prob i ahve is with graphics cards
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| 12:32 | <upro> I have a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 4300 @ 1.80GHz and 1 GB ram
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| 12:32 | <peter_> thatll run maybe 4 clients comfortably?
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| 12:33 | <peter_> ram is normally the weak spot, you use a lot of ram
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| 12:33 | <upro> peter_: I need just 1 client... Or I can get more ram...
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| 12:33 | <peter_> wel you will be fine then :)
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| 12:34 | <upro> so I cound basically chose whichever machine?
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| 12:34 | that si .. any machine...?
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| 12:35 | <peter_> yes basically you need 1 machine to be the sevrer, that one sounds fine. and then the client can be any piece of junk
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| 12:35 | ive even use eisa cards in things and they work fine...
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| 12:35 | <upro> Can you read German?
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| 12:36 | <peter_> nope :(
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| 12:37 | <upro> maybe you'd still understand what it says ... here's some offers from ebay, could you please have alook for me? http://nopaste.info/2c6a0fbc25.html
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| 12:38 | Can I change, for example ,the graphics adapter? Or put a wifi card into the machine?
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| 12:40 | <peter_> not sure, have a peruse of this though:
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| 12:40 | <cdealer> [upro]:: you can set individual configurations on the lts.conf file in the chroot
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| 12:40 | <peter_> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients
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| 12:40 | <upro> peter_: nice list!!!
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| 12:41 | <peter_> really yor best bet is just to google for the client name and ltsp, it is mostly guess work but theres not many things ive not got to work put it that way
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| 12:43 | <upro> what did cdealer's last line(...lts.conf file...) mean?!??
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| 12:44 | <cdealer> [upro]:: lts.conf is the configuration file for ltsp ... its on the the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 12:45 | <upro> cdealer: on the client or on the server?
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| 12:45 | cdealer: oh, obvious, on the server... sorry
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| 12:46 | the Compaq t5000 Thin Clien has a Transmeta processor - should work on linux then ;-)))
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| 12:46 | <peter_> well, the way the clients work is they use whatever install is within /opt/ltsp/i386/... so sort of both ;)
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| 12:48 | gotta run anyway. good luck!
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| 12:50 | <cdealer> upro:=)
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| 12:50 | <upro> cdealer: hand faster than brain...
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| 12:50 | cdealer: oh,you meant transmeta... again: hand faster than brain ;:-)
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| 12:51 | cdealer: I got the point. I am completely enthusiastic about all that... fantastic. I should have dne that lal the time! This s even genious at home. No mormoney for kid's computers... wonderful!
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| 12:51 | <cdealer> [sbalneav]:: I think im having connection lost, fast connection lost but enough to lost my app conection to the server... is there anyway to garantee more priority to the connection ??
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| 12:52 | [upro]:: yeah... this is the great ideia, one good computer, all good computers ... =)
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| 12:53 | <upro> cdealer: I'll do it that way! Have to run to see my babies...!
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| 12:53 | Bye, thanksa lot!
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| 12:53 | <cdealer> [upro]:: cya
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| 12:54 | [ogra]:: are you there?
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| 12:55 | <ogra> yes
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| 12:56 | <cdealer> can you help me with the connection problem ? I have to problem to be honest
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| 12:56 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: gaim is loading a lot of CPU and Memory
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| 13:00 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: realy a lot ... like 80% of 2gb and 112% of cpu ( incredible more then 100%)
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| 13:00 | <ogra> no idea, sorry i dont use gaim
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| 13:00 | <tomcats_> anyone tried the new Intel mini-itx board?
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| 13:00 | <ogra> well, i do, but the last time i had it open is likely a year ago
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| 13:02 | <dtrask> Ok guys....I'm in the market for a brand-spankin' new laptop. Thinking about Dell or System76....but would like to hear from you guys
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| 13:03 | to run Ubuntu/Edubuntu of course ;-)
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| 13:03 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: what are you using ?
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| 13:03 | <ogra> ?
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| 13:04 | no IM tool
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| 13:04 | i'd use gaim if i would use any IM
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| 13:04 | <cdealer> [ogra]:: very strange all this load... =/
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| 13:05 | [ogra]:: I think im having connection lost, fast connection lost but enough to lost my app conection to the server... is there anyway to garantee more priority to the connection ??
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| 13:05 | <ogra> well, ask the gaim devs
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| 13:05 | <dtrask> ogra: Just curious what do you use for most of your IM or IRC?
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| 13:05 | <ogra> dtrask, good old xchat for IRC
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| 13:05 | <dtrask> ogra: that's what I figured :-)
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| 13:06 | <ogra> and *if* i ever have a need for IM i use gaim ... it just didnt happen the last 12 months that i was in need of IM
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| 13:06 | (if you are available 24h on IRC and people know that thats sufficient imho :) )
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| 13:06 | <dtrask> kopete will allow IRC and IM on same client....I use it sometimes
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| 13:06 | true
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| 13:06 | <ogra> gaim as well afauk
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| 13:07 | <dtrask> I always know where to find you ;-0
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| 13:07 | <ogra> :)
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| 13:07 | most people do
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| 13:07 | <dtrask> ogra: looking forward to Boston?
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| 13:07 | <ogra> so so ...
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| 13:07 | there will be a lot changes in my job i think
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| 13:08 | <dtrask> how so?
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| 13:08 | <ogra> well, changes in the edu team structure and objectives ...
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| 13:09 | <dtrask> do you think you'll be doing the same stuff or something radically different?
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| 13:09 | <ogra> well, i'm the technical lead of the edu team (whatever that means :) ) that title will persist
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| 13:09 | but the job i do might change ... there is nothing concrete yet
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| 13:09 | <dtrask> at least you'll still be "ours"? (the edubuntu folks)
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| 13:10 | <ogra> beyond the fact that we'll do a lot less ltsp involvement officially
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| 13:10 | <dtrask> I see
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| 13:10 | where does that part of the job shift to?
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| 13:10 | Scotty?
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| 13:10 | <ogra> likely business projects
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| 13:10 | oh you mean the coding part
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| 13:11 | <dtrask> yeah
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| 13:11 | <dtrask> the ltsp part
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| 13:11 | ltsp coding part
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| 13:11 | <ogra> well, it will stay with the people it has, i'll just become a volunteer
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| 13:11 | <dtrask> I see
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| 13:11 | <hriday> what is the typical time that one would require to boot a ltsp client a xfce desktop considering 10 Mb of lan
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| 13:11 | <ogra> scottie will take the final upstream decisions but i wont vanish from coding :)
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| 13:12 | <dtrask> Phew!
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| 13:12 | <ogra> as vagrant wont
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| 13:12 | <dtrask> you and scotty make a good team...along with everyone else
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| 13:12 | <ogra> so the team will be the same, the balance will just ne different
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| 13:12 | s/ne/be/
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| 13:12 | <dtrask> :-)
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| 13:13 | So other than the possible changes to the job....personally are you looking forward to Boston?
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| 13:13 | <ogra> there is also the question if we really need an edubuntu CD ... or if the educational CD should be an addon to ubuntu
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| 13:13 | but thats up since several releases already ...
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| 13:13 | seems boston will be a place where we'll discuss that
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| 13:14 | <dtrask> I can understand that....though marketing-wise I question that move
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| 13:14 | Education folks tend to like "education-only" things....even if only on the surface
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| 13:14 | <ogra> the thing is that chris (my new boss in edu) wants to make better use of the ressources
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| 13:14 | yeah, i agree
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| 13:15 | <dtrask> Well....I'll just have to voice my opinion ;-)
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| 13:15 | <ogra> but one target for me is to get ubuntu into governments and municipalities ...
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| 13:15 | <dtrask> cool
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| 13:15 | that would be nice
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| 13:15 | <ogra> spending every third development week on iso testing and building fr edubuntu takes to much time to work into other stuff
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| 13:16 | <dtrask> good point
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| 13:16 | <ogra> that prevents the deep looks i need into such apps
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| 13:16 | <dtrask> yeah....like firefox
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| 13:16 | <ogra> so either more manpower is needed or we cut down work ...
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| 13:16 | <dtrask> just kidding
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| 13:16 | just dredging up the ff pixmap thing ;-)
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| 13:16 | <ogra> my target would indeed be to hire someone for CD maintenance ;)
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| 13:17 | <dtrask> actually that's a very good idea
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| 13:17 | CD maintenance is a job unto itself
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| 13:17 | seriousl
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| 13:17 | seriously
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| 13:17 | <dtrask> could something like repo management be rolled in too or is that too much?
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| 13:18 | <ogra> well ... "good" lies in the eye of the behoder here ;)
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| 13:18 | there is a budget ;)
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| 13:18 | <dtrask> yep....you're right
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| 13:20 | I see Edubuntu at a pivotal point right now....poised for take-off, but needing a little more fuel. Many folks here in the States have now adopted Edubuntu....even in some large installations....the next year or so will be pretty interesting. Matt and I did a lot with Edubuntu at our conferences this summer. We got a really nice article written by Maddog in this month's Linux Journal. Even got Maddog to install Ubuntu!
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| 13:24 | <ogra> really ? an article from maddog ? cool
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| 13:25 | the german issue of last month had an article about edubuntu and ltsp5 :)
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| 13:25 | <dtrask> :-)
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| 13:25 | I think the US version did too
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| 13:25 | my subscription lapsed....I have to get a couple back issues
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| 13:26 | <ogra> well, the one US one they gave out in portland was still promoting 4.x :(
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| 13:26 | <dtrask> :-(
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| 13:28 | Hey....you recommeded a MacBook....I'm on a MacBook Pro now, but running Ubuntu in Parallels as I use OS X as part of the state laptop project at our school, but looking to replace my Ubuntu laptop (an old heavy HP)...do you use a MacBook now?
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| 13:28 | I know Matt does....I'm curious as to the hardware...if everything is working
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| 13:28 | <ogra> no, my last apple is a G4 ibook
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| 13:29 | but i frequently see people using ubuntu on macbooks
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| 13:29 | shouldnt be any prob
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| 13:29 | <dtrask> I'm assuming due to the Intel architecture that we now use the x86 version of Ubuntu? As opposed to the old PPC version?
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| 13:29 | I'm toying with the idea
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| 13:30 | Opinion: would you go for 160 gb HD at 5400 RPM or 200 gb HD at 4200 RPM? Not sure in my mind if the extra size warrants the drop in speed
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| 13:32 | <dtrask> moquist you in here?
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| 13:44 | <mistik1> hey guys
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| 13:45 | I know you're not copyright lawyers but I want to see your interpretation of the GPL.....
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| 13:46 | Lets say I am writing a propriety program and need to include a GPL binary in my distribution, according to GPL I only have to make sure to provide the source for the GPL portion that I use in my package, am I thinking correctly in this?
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| 13:48 | I'm accepting opinions as well as law ;)
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> I beleive the GPL dicates that anything it's linked against must also be gpl
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| 13:51 | You'd want the LGPL, which allows linking, I beleive.
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| 13:52 | <mistik1> interesting
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| 13:53 | I wonder how Western Digital and folks like that is doing it
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> Is this program completely standalone?
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| 13:54 | <upro> another small question: What to do if one of the thin clients wants to read something from a cdrom od burn something on a cdrom?
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| 13:54 | <mistik1> I just want to include a binary of clamav
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> upro: We support reading, but not burning.
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| 13:55 | <upro> sbalneav: to read he must (physically) go to trhe server machine?
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| 13:55 | <sbalneav> mistik1: Best would be to contact the FSF for a clarification.
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| 13:56 | upro: No, reading can be done from a cdrom in the client.
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| 13:56 | <mistik1> sbalneav: good point, I think i'll do just that.
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> Writing must be done on the server.
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| 14:01 | <upro> sbalneav: then, of course, the machine would need a cdrom drive. What ifnot?
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| 14:01 | <sbalneav> If you don't have a cdrom on the client you mean?
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| 14:02 | <upro> sbalneav: yes
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> Um, what are you asking? If you can read a cdrom on the client without a cdrom?
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| 14:03 | Seems kind of impossible, doesn't it. :)
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| 14:04 | LTSP can do many miraculous things, but we can't make hardware appear out of nothing :)
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| 14:04 | <upro> sbalneav: I mean, can I read the cdeom contents if I put the cdrom into the server's drive?
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> Well, of course.
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| 14:04 | <upro> ;-)
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| 14:04 | sbalneav: sonds good...
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| 14:05 | sbalneav: the faq page says that regarding processor 400 MHz would be good. As we know, MHz is not absolute. What do you think of a Intel Pentium (T) 166 CPU?
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> upro: It'll be slow
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| 14:09 | but if you're just doing light wordprocessing, or some light web browsing, with not a lot of graphics, it'll be servicable.
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| 14:09 | <upro> sbalneav: "Don't buy"?
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> depends on what you're going to do with it.
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| 14:10 | Since you haven't told me that, I can't say yes or no.
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| 14:10 | <upro> sbalneav: office,/internet workstation. Sometimes some mutimedia stufflike watching a video, listening to music
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> Watching videos is going to need even more than 400 mhz
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| 14:11 | <upro> sbalneav: the rest is ok?
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| 14:12 | sbalneav: and does the video issue also go for youtube videos?
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> I'm not going to say one way or the other. Im not here to recommend products. Try and see, it may work fine, or not.
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> "youtube video" = "video"
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| 14:13 | It even has the word video in it :)
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| 14:13 | so yes.
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| 14:13 | <upro> sbalneav: ok, now I know what to look for! Thanks for your help!
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| 14:13 | <sbalneav> I'd say for what you've told me you want to do so far, you'd want something 600 mhz or better
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| 14:16 | <upro> sbalneav: I see on ebay offer about a Transmeta Efficeon, 1.2 GHz, which is at 30 € so far.. so I'll go for that!
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| 14:17 | <sbalneav> That should have some oomph
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| 14:17 | buy one
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| 14:17 | test first
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| 14:18 | <upro> sbalneav: there's only one tfor sale...
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| 14:18 | sbalneav: no, thre are 2: http://cgi.ebay.de/HP-Compaq-t5000-Thin-Client-1-2GHz-256-256-XPe-t5000_W0QQitemZ270172630429QQihZ017QQcategoryZ65567QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem and http://cgi.ebay.de/Compaq-Evo-Thin-Client-T30-Geode-GX1-300-MHz-ab-1_W0QQitemZ300158730873QQihZ020QQcategoryZ65570QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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| 14:19 | sbalneav: they seem both pretty cool!
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| 14:31 | <upro> sbalneav: I have ssen you save the life of a bird!!!
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| 14:43 | <sbalneav> Yup
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| 14:44 | Thats me
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| 14:46 | <ogra> sbalneav, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150419 any idea ?
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| 14:46 | i suspect he fiddled with ltsp-utils and has a /tftpboot dir or so thus ltsp-build-client stops
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| 14:49 | <sbalneav> Possibly
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| 14:50 | Yeah, I can't see anything that's blocking it.
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| 14:51 | Unless there's some new kernel breakage we're not aware of
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| 14:51 | I'll do a build-client myself tonight.
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| 14:52 | <sbalneav> In about a 1/2 hour I'm off for a turkey dinner :)
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| 14:52 | <ogra> enjoy ...
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| 14:52 | now i'm hungry
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| 14:52 | hmm
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| 14:53 | <sbalneav> They don't have thanksgiving in europe, I beleive? Or has that north american holiday been exported back to the old country? :)
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| 14:55 | <ogra> nope
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| 14:56 | we have something called "erntedank" its similar and a religious thing but not a full holiday or something
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| 16:50 | <nsar> hello
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| 16:51 | <nsar> is there anything better in ltsp for sound than esound?
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| 16:54 | <frame_asys> nsar: pulseaudio is the next-gen thing for ltsp probably
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| 16:55 | edubuntu 7.04 supported pulse if I'm not mistaken
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| 16:57 | <nsar> i am configuring this one now
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| 16:57 | compilation actually
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| 16:59 | <frame_asys> I tryed lately edubuntu 7.04 - sound worked out of box nicely but I had some problems with volume controls
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| 16:59 | <nsar> i see esound somehow with user change it locks up
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| 17:00 | <frame_asys> volume control in player worked but on device level not - althou I got impression that ldm provides alsa emulation somehow
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| 17:00 | eg mixer volume controls didn't work
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| 17:00 | <nsar> alsa i use right now
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| 17:01 | <frame_asys> esound is old crap... but has been best choice so far...now hopefully pulse takes off nicely
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| 17:02 | <nsar> until ltsp it's ready to use pulseaudio we will see
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| 17:02 | <frame_asys> and we can have sound input also with pulse
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| 17:03 | <nsar> there is also the audio network system of xorg why they didn't use it?
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| 17:03 | <frame_asys> ltsp on ubuntu has pulse integrated already I believe
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| 17:04 | MAS didn't take off - not sure why
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| 17:04 | <nsar> mas yes
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| 17:04 | <frame_asys> pulse is quite similar design to MAS
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| 17:04 | <nsar> ah nice
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| 17:04 | <frame_asys> and will be gnome default choice onwards
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| 17:05 | <nsar> is there a way manually to make ltsp to work with mas?
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| 17:05 | i prefer kde
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| 17:05 | should i trust kde 4 yet or it still experimental?
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| 17:06 | <frame_asys> I don't know any howto-s regarding mas and ltsp - try pulse instead
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| 17:06 | <nsar> ok
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| 17:06 | <frame_asys> mas seems to be dead anyway
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| 17:06 | <nsar> yes indeed
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| 17:06 | <frame_asys> mas is dead, long live pulse
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| 17:08 | <nsar> does it work nicely with alsa?
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| 17:09 | <frame_asys> it should
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| 17:09 | <nsar> ok thanks goodbye
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| 17:09 | <frame_asys> see this - maybe helps a bit - http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Edgy/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
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| 17:10 | its bit outdated maybe in some parts - dunno actually for sure
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| 17:31 | <pablo__> hi! the NIC that goes to the clients is saying "NETDEV WATCHDOG transmit timeout" and the connections from that NIC drop. ive investigated and im going to replace the NIC
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| 17:32 | which steeps should i follow after changing the NIC?
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| 17:32 | what parts of ltsp5 (im using ubuntu 7.04) must i reconfigure so that the new NIC works?
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| 17:47 | <moquist> dtrask: am now
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| 17:48 | <dtrask> moquist: In the market for a new laptop....Dell, System76, or MacBook
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| 17:48 | moquist: So...how do you feel about your MacBook
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| 17:49 | Have you gotten the webcam working? Just curious
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| 17:50 | <dtrask> I've been spending time looking at the System76 machines...waiting for Scotty to tell me how he likes his
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| 17:51 | moquist: Obviously this will become my new Ubuntu laptop....I'll put Gutsy on it.
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| 17:52 | <moquist> Stay away from a Mac to run Ubuntu; it's not a great experience IMO.
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| 17:52 | (not ubuntu's fault in particular)
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| 17:52 | dtrask: I'm planning on buying a system76 when I buy my next personal laptop.
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| 17:53 | dtrask: They have a sweet tiny laptop that competes very favorably with a macbook. I would buy that.
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| 17:53 | dtrask: scotty is happy with his except for an overheating problem; I asked Carl about that and I don't remember what he said but I decided it wouldn't be a concern for me.
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| 17:54 | <dtrask> moquist: I put in a request to Dan from Bytespeed to see what he has to offer, but the more I spend time on the System76 site the more I like them....I'd buy a Dell, but they are a bit expensive for what you get...it's cheaper to buy ine with Windoze and wipe it...no special deals
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| 17:54 | <moquist> dtrask: wait 'til the end of the month and you can see Scotty's in person, and Carl may very well be there with one of their 12.1" guys.
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| 17:55 | <dtrask> moquist: I may wait, but was also hoping to have it for the end of the month ;-)
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| 17:55 | <moquist> dtrask: Yeah, but you can try to squeeze Dell for the price of a retail XP/Vista license after you return your OS disc. ;-)
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| 17:55 | (good luck :p)
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| 17:55 | <dtrask> moquist: the Darter is the one you speak of I think
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| 17:55 | <cliebow> youse must make bettermoney than me 8~)
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| 17:55 | <moquist> cliebow: notice I'm not buying a laptop right now. :)
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| 17:55 | <dtrask> actually it's my "prize" money
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| 17:56 | <cliebow> hah!!
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| 17:56 | im stillon my skippin Sony..
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| 17:56 | <dtrask> figured I ought to spend it on something tech related since it comes from ACTEM
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| 17:56 | kind of an unwritten rule or assumption'
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| 17:57 | <cliebow> what did you win??
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| 17:57 | <dtrask> moquist: Nice thing about System76 is that you KNOW that the hardware will work with Ubuntu
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| 17:57 | Computer Teacher of the Year
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| 17:57 | <moquist> dtrask: yes. That's another reason System76 wins IMO.
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| 17:57 | <dtrask> cliebow: Actually it's a fancier title, but you get the picture
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| 17:57 | <moquist> dtrask: I just bought 4 servers from them.
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| 17:58 | <cliebow> Coolio
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| 17:58 | <dtrask> moquist: really....how d'ya like 'em
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| 17:58 | <moquist> dtrask: but that was back on August 20-something, and I've only got one of them so far. 8-/
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| 17:58 | <dtrask> moquist: Oops
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| 17:58 | <moquist> Doesn't matter to me, because I have no where to put them yet. *shrug*
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| 17:58 | But it certainly hasn't been /fast/.
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| 17:58 | <dtrask> moquist: hopefully a laptop will come sooner
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| 17:58 | <moquist> dtrask: Yes, I believe so.
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| 17:58 | <dtrask> odd hardware?
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| 17:59 | * moquist shrugs. No. | |
| 17:59 | * dtrask scatches head and wonders why? | |
| 17:59 | <dtrask> moquist: any idea what model Scotty has?
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| 18:00 | <moquist> dtrask: 14", IIRC.
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| 18:00 | <dtrask> moquist: I need to send my MacBook Pro in for a repair of the DVD drive....if I can have something to bring to Boston with me (provided I order it in time) then I can send it out during that week with little pain
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| 18:00 | <moquist> dtrask: I would totally buy the 12.1" though.
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| 18:01 | <dtrask> moquist: I'm looking for portability in this one after being burned by Big Bertha (my HP)
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| 18:01 | <moquist> dtrask: Yeah. I'll be there with a MacBook Pro running OSX. Meh.
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| 18:01 | It's my only laptop now.
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| 18:01 | The others were taken away.
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| 18:02 | <dtrask> moquist: why OS x?
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| 18:02 | your choice or theirs
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| 18:02 | <cliebow> i got no budget..nothing new..thinki'll find anotherline of work..again
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| 18:02 | <moquist> dtrask: theirs
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| 18:03 | <dtrask> moquist: got Parallels?
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| 18:03 | <moquist> dtrask: Well, sorta. I was going to run OSX on an external drive and Ubuntu on the internal HDD, but it was too much hassle. I didn't have time to screw around getting stuff working.
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| 18:03 | <cliebow> yeah : we're getting Macs shoved up our ...
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| 18:03 | <moquist> dtrask: yep.
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| 18:03 | cliebow: where, where??!?
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| 18:04 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 18:04 | <moquist> JIMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 18:04 | <dtrask> Hey Dad!
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| 18:04 | <jammcq> hey moquist
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| 18:04 | <cliebow> Dad!!
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| 18:04 | <dtrask> jammcq: We're discussing what kind of laptop I should get
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| 18:04 | <jammcq> a good one
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| 18:04 | <moquist> Decidedly off-topic.
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| 18:04 | <cliebow> one with a big crank
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| 18:05 | <moquist> or pedals
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| 18:05 | <dtrask> Oooh....I could do the 2 fer deal with OLPC
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| 18:05 | <moquist> Or just an off-board motor.
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| 18:05 | <cliebow> oops/..my wife suggested that one
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| 18:05 | <dtrask> How about one of those plastic rip cords like I had with my SST cars when I was little?
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| 18:06 | remember those?
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| 18:06 | <cliebow> that would be cool!!!
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| 18:06 | <dtrask> jammcq: any thoughts on System76?
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| 18:06 | <jammcq> umm, scotty seems real happy with his.
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| 18:07 | personally, I like Dell
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| 18:07 | <cliebow> i' really am getting pretty disgusted with school..have to drag myselkf in.....
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| 18:07 | <dtrask> moquist: remind me and I'll bring that Dell tower I'm saving for you
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| 18:07 | moquist: to Boston
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| 18:08 | back in 15....suppertime
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| 18:08 | <moquist> dtrask: great!
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| 18:10 | <dtrask> cliebow: elaborate on school...what's wrong?
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| 18:10 | <cliebow> ..well the thrust is deploying more macs...cant swing a dead cat without hitting a mac...nomoney to but thinclirnyts..
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| 18:11 | buy that is..
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| 18:12 | so my "grand design" is reduced to gul durn netvista clients that wont even run 4.32
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| 18:13 | our "shag superintendent left us in a bad place
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| 18:14 | know what that is?
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| 18:14 | <dtrask> ouch! Luckily in my case the laptops are limited to the 7th and 8th grade, thus the principal keeps MAKING me buy more thin-clients...bought 22 more this summer
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| 18:14 | cliebow: what's a shag super?
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| 18:14 | <cliebow> one that swoops in...shits all over everything...then flies offf
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| 18:16 | so our super is now in Ma.making lots..and we are left cleaning up the dock
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| 18:16 | <dtrask> who was it?
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| 18:17 | <cliebow> a guy from Brewer i think...hackett
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| 18:17 | <dtrask> frank?
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| 18:17 | <cliebow> yep
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| 18:18 | <dtrask> hmmm....he's left quite a trail statewide....he used to be here
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| 18:19 | <cliebow> yes..in Pembroke now..
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| 18:19 | Ma
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| 18:19 | our state valuation doubled in a couple years..so we are short like 2 million..
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| 18:20 | in State funds
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| 18:22 | <dtrask> no I meant here at VCS
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| 18:22 | <cliebow> yes.. i get it
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| 18:22 | <dtrask> as a principal
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| 18:22 | oh got it
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| 18:22 | ;-)
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| 18:22 | ouch
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| 18:23 | we got hit too, but thin-clients were part of our ticket out
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| 18:27 | when I can set up a whole new lab for less than $7000 complete with monitors (LCD) and so forth....they tend to let me do what I want ;-)
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| 18:27 | I've been buying thin-clients like crazy the past couple years so I can purge everything else and add more stations
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| 18:28 | they spend a year in my lab and then move out to classrooms
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| 18:28 | depending on how many I built
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| 18:28 | ummm....I mean bought
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| 18:32 | cliebow: so are they putting in Macs above and beyond the laptop program?
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