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Channel log from 15 December 2019 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:17 | <elias_a> Has anyone tried linux-multiseat with LTSP? Are they compatible at all?
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> I've deployed proper multiseat ltsp installations
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| 08:18 | I'm not sure if you're asking about proper multiseat or some other non official implementation though
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| 08:20 | <elias_a> alkisg: I don't even know what "proper multiseat" means in this context in the way how it would differ from non proper multiseat. :D
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| 08:21 | <alkisg> There's the offical https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/ implementation
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| 08:21 | And there are other, non-official ways to do multiseat
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| 08:21 | LTSP5 supports the official way to do multiseat
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| 08:21 | And it works fine
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| 08:21 | <elias_a> This is just a question I was asked and I came here to find the answer. :)
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| 08:21 | Ok! Superb!
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| 16:29 | <markit> alkisg: hi, I'm at school where epoptes broadcast was not working. I've updated (still 16.04, kubuntu, 32 bit) but does not work. Worse, epoptes does not show client's desktop either
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg: Bug#944321: marked as done (ipxe: Please enable snponly.efi) :)
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| 16:42 | <markit> I've to leave, see you another time :)
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| 16:54 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yey!!! Were you involved in the upload, or it was all waldi?
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| 16:54 | Would it be possible to push this one too? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=927783
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it was waldi not responding and simply uploading a fix for that
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> Hrm... I'll upload another patch in that last issue, maybe that will poke him a bit
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i even commented on your patch and made an updated version
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| 16:56 | not sure how to get waldi to meaningfully respond
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| 16:57 | alkisg: and do use "diff -u" style output :)
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| 16:58 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I uploaded a merge request to the launchpad tree (git push etc): https://code.launchpad.net/~alkisg/ubuntu/+source/ipxe/+git/ipxe/+merge/376817
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| 16:58 | I built packages etc, they work fine; I'll upload the .diff to the debian bug report too
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| 17:00 | <vagrantc> alkisg: just nudged waldi on irc and said merge requests might be the way to go
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> I'm not sure how to handle merge requests on debian... is the tree on salsa?
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| 17:01 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it is now: https://salsa.debian.org/waldi/ipxe
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| 17:02 | <alkisg> Thanks, digging into that...
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> alkisg: bascially fork on salsa and propose a merge request, much like on github
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| 17:05 | <alkisg> Right, on it...
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i'd also email the relevent bug report(s) that you proposed a merge request
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| 17:05 | <alkisg> And I'd love to see the bug trackers moving to salsa too :D
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| 17:05 | <vagrantc> which is kind of annoying, but oh well ... evolving systems and workflows :)
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| 17:06 | yeah, it'd be nice for things to be more integrated
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| 17:09 | <alkisg> I wonder if I can remove the alkisg-guest namespace... and be just alkisg
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| 17:09 | https://salsa.debian.org/alkisg-guest/ipxe
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| 17:09 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you need to become a debian developer for that :)
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| 17:10 | <alkisg> Ah, DMs can't have normal accounts on Salsa? Meh, I thought Debian was about all being equal :P
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| 17:10 | OK ok I'll get to it, after the phd! :D
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> heh :)
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| 17:18 | <alkisg> vagrantc: https://salsa.debian.org/waldi/ipxe/merge_requests/1 - in case IRC pinging is also acceptable ;)
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| 17:19 | I'll Cc the debian bug too
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| 17:19 | <vagrantc> :)
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| 17:30 | <Tottle> Yesterday, I first setup ltsp on Ubuntu 16.04 with the help of alkisg, than i upgraded Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04 and setup dnsmasq to live beside systemd-resolved and NetworkManager (without default dnsmasq-core in NetworkManager, as of 16.04), so I've got an inet connection with host system and be able to boot an generated image in client over
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| 17:30 | network. I've tried to login with my normal host system user, but that fails with: "/usr/share/ltsp/client/login/pamltsp: 178: /usr/share/ltsp/client/login/pamltsp: Is_command: not found". Also i've setup a 2nd user, that i am able to ssh into from my LAN. My overall goal is, that i would like to login with my normal user with the same settings,
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| 17:30 | but with another GUI-(x?)session, so the "normal" guest session-approaches as suggested in the community-wiki are not applicable.
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| 17:31 | <alkisg> Tottle: moment, will look into it in 5 mins
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| 17:32 | <Tottle> Ok, no stress
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> Tottle: can you apply this? https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/commit/c48e9fccff5a3e0dd83a622cab5e909b7f34ef3d
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| 17:41 | <Tottle> Just a Moment i will be back in some time.
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> OK
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| 17:41 | Note that this should avoid the error, but I don't think that error is causing login failures
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| 17:41 | * alkisg tests... | |
| 17:49 | <alkisg> Yup, it doesn't cause login failures, they're caused by something else in your case
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| 17:53 | Nevertheless I've uploaded a new build in the ltsp proposed ppa
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| 17:57 | <Tottle> I've applied the patch. Now the login only states login failure.
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| 17:58 | "read: Connection reset by peer"
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| 18:05 | <alkisg> Right, which means it's unrelated to the issue that you found (thanks for that though)
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| 18:06 | I don't have much time, do you want a quick VNC now? Otherwise I'll be back in a couple of hours...
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| 18:06 | Tottle: ^
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| 18:06 | <alkisg> markit: heya, I don't have much time, which epoptes version do you have?
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| 18:06 | <Tottle> If you can mange, otherwise we could do that later
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| 18:07 | <alkisg> Tottle: x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
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| 18:08 | <markit> alkisg: I'm at home now, I've checked and is using greek's ppa and is 0.5.10-1, is it the latest for 16.04?
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| 18:09 | in any case better upgrade to 18.04 since we have seen it works, and then test again. Any short router / already build script for migration of a Ubuntu installation from 32 bit to 64 you are aware of or you are using?
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> markit: no, use the ppas for 1.x version
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| 18:09 | Debian/Ubuntu can't upgrade from 32bit to 64bit
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| 18:09 | <markit> i.e. ltsp-server is http://ppa.launchpad.net/ts.sch.gr/ppa/ubuntu
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| 18:10 | is different now? I've better have a look at the new doc then
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| 18:10 | <alkisg> Tottle: yup, it fails because of the ssh port
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| 18:10 | It tries on port 22, not the other one
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| 18:10 | <Tottle> ok
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| 18:11 | <alkisg> Tottle: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/issues/66
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| 18:11 | markit: I suggest a new clean installation of 18.04, with the new ltsp, while keeping /home and users
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| 18:11 | The new ltsp is completely different to the old one
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| 18:11 | No ltsp-server package at all anymore
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| 18:11 | !install
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| 18:11 | <ltspbot> install: To install LTSP: https://ltsp.org/docs/installation/
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| 18:12 | <Tottle> Ok, alkisg, i will try that and i will told you if that functions
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| 18:13 | <alkisg> np
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| 18:13 | <markit> ah, ok, I'll try to set it up myself, possibly withhout network manager... don't want (not skilled) teachers mess the network... could it work? When ifconfig was the way to go I was able to configure, now I'm very confused between netplan and systemd and whatever
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| 18:13 | <alkisg> Tottle: note that you're not supposed to login with the same account in two PCs; programs aren't designed for concurrent use of their files by multiple machines
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| 18:14 | (at the same time, I mean)
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| 18:14 | markit: just use /etc/network/interfaces then, it's still working
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| 18:14 | <Tottle> Ok, i see. Is the default configuration, that i can login with another acc. (user2) and keep home etc. as normal 2nd acc.?
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| 18:15 | <alkisg> Tottle: the problem is if firefox tries to open ~/.mozilla from 2 PCs
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| 18:15 | If it's a different ~/.mozilla folder, from another account, then no issue
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| 18:15 | <markit> alkisg: do you mean that if I install ifconfig then systemd and netplan don't interfere and /etc/network/interfaces works again???
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| 18:16 | <alkisg> markit: I guess you mean "ifupdown" instead of "ifconfig" there
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| 18:16 | <markit> systemd is "embraching" (absorbing) everything a piece a time (also now manages names resolutions)
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| 18:16 | yes sorry
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| 18:16 | <alkisg> ifconfig was replaced by ip ages ago
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| 18:16 | 18.04 comes with ifupdown preinstalled
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| 18:16 | <markit> oh, so the problem will raise with 20.04, you are right
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| 18:17 | btw is some "test repo" for ltsp under 20.04 available?
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| 18:18 | <Tottle> alkisg: Ok, i will use different acc. As always, thank you for your time!
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| 18:18 | <alkisg> (08:16:09 PM) markit: systemd is "embraching" (absorbing) everything a piece a time (also now manages names resolutions) => yes thank god, because without it ubuntu had patches that broke DNS for everyone
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| 18:18 | Fortunately systemd did that right, and DNS isn't broken anymore in 18.04
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| 18:19 | (08:17:08 PM) markit: btw is some "test repo" for ltsp under 20.04 available? => the new ltsp is properly available in 20.04, the old ltsp5 isn't available at all,
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| 18:19 | <markit> well, it should not have been broken in the first time... I'm not confortable with systemd doing everything under the sun
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| 18:19 | <alkisg> but also, the ltsp ppa supports all debian/ubuntu distributions after 2015
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| 18:19 | <markit> alkisg: I meant, your customized ppa for 20.04
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| 18:20 | <alkisg> Read the docs, it's all there
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| 18:20 | It points to the ppa and everything
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| 18:20 | <markit> ok, thanks a lot!
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| 18:20 | <alkisg> np
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| 18:20 | <markit> I can't imagin ltsp without you... sure not markit and ltsp ;P
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| 18:25 | * vagrantc is surprised to see ubuntu 16.04 keep coming up with new installs | |
| 18:29 | <markit> alkisg: last question: some PC with a specific brand had the writing at "boot": PXE-E61: media test failure, check cable" The cable and connectino was ok (I booted with systemresquecd and pinghed everything), I "solved" not powering on/off but removing the power cord, waiting 5 seconds, and powering on again. Anything happend to you also and there is an explaination?
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> markit: yes, bad bios pxe stack
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| 18:30 | I've seen it fixed with bios update, but unfortunately it's rare to have a bios update usually
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| 18:30 | In that case, ipxe is needed
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| 18:30 | <markit> Workarounds? it's old hardware and I've already upgraded the bios to the latest available
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| 18:31 | ipxe with a cdrom or a different (USB) bootable media I guess... not good :(
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| 18:31 | <alkisg> Yup. Or, a network card with embedded pxe stack
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