IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 November 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:25 | <cliebow> interesting weather coming up 9~)
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| 05:27 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 05:28 | <cliebow> Q-FUNK, you coming to Maine??
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| 05:28 | <Q-FUNK> nope
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| 05:29 | I avoid USA completely for as long as it's part of Bushistan.
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| 05:30 | but if you guys ever have any UDS or LTSP meeting up north or south, I'm in. :)
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| 05:54 | <cliebow> Q-FUNK:i agree...if i didnt live here i wouldnt visit either..
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| 07:42 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 07:42 | !topics
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| 07:42 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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| 07:43 | <sbalneav> factoids search --topics
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| 07:43 | !factoids search --values
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| 07:43 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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| 07:44 | <stgraber> hi sbalneav
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| 07:47 | <sbalneav> Hey stgraber!
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| 07:47 | Still up in your room?
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| 07:49 | <stgraber> yep
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| 07:53 | <MasterOne> hi guys
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| 07:58 | <MasterOne> anybody present?
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| 08:06 | <sbalneav> MasterOne: Yep
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| 08:06 | I'm here
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| 08:06 | <MasterOne> good :)
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| 08:07 | is it possible to watch a HDTV 1080p video on a thin client?
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| 08:07 | considering the server is powerful enough, and the thin client is connected to a 1920x1200 LCD
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| 08:07 | <sbalneav> no idea
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| 08:08 | <sep> MasterOne, try it and tell us :)
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| 08:08 | <MasterOne> I mean in particular, if the video data sent from the server to the client is not only encrypted, but also compressed
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| 08:08 | <sbalneav> are you running the app locally on the thin client?
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| 08:08 | <MasterOne> no, the video player is running on the server
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| 08:09 | I already did some tests to run video in fullscreen mode on my 1600x1200 laptop LCD, which worked fine without problem
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| 08:11 | so is the video data stream between the server and thin client compressed, and if yes, is it possible to tell a ratio?
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| 08:11 | <sbalneav> No
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| 08:11 | <cliebow__> you say those olpc laptops have cranks in case of power outages?
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| 08:11 | <sbalneav> The video stream between the server and the thin client will be uncompressed.
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| 08:11 | <MasterOne> hm
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| 08:12 | then 1080p should not be possible, because 1920x1080x24x24/8 = 149,299 Mbit
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| 08:13 | <sbalneav> cliebow__: No idea, I thought they were supposed to, but I haven't ever seen a crank on one :)
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| 08:14 | <cliebow__> maybe a footpedal..like a rubber raft or sewing machine
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav> I'm thinking a hat with a solar panel on top.
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| 08:14 | <cliebow__> tin foil of course..multitasking
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| 08:15 | keeps the rfid readers at bay
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| 08:15 | <sbalneav> Absolutely
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| 08:15 | <MasterOne> are you sure, the signal exchanged between the LTSP server and the Xserver on the thin client is uncompressed? because then even 1600x1200x24x24 should not be possible
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| 08:18 | I was thinking of using a thin client to feed a LCD TV or video projector
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| 08:18 | <sbalneav> If you're running the video player software up on the server, then the only thing that'll be going across the wire will be standard X protocol.
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| 08:19 | <sbalneav> So, however X chooses to do that is how it does it. I don't beleive it's doing any compression.
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| 08:19 | <MasterOne> that's strange, because I really thought the X protocol has some kind of compression included
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| 08:20 | <cliebow__> MasterOne, x tunneled via ssh has some compression
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| 08:20 | <sbalneav> http://keithp.com/~keithp/talks/usenix2003/html/net.html
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| 08:21 | <sbalneav> There's some info from one of the guys who writes X himself, my good buddy Keith.
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| 08:21 | <MasterOne> I am just installing some missing codex, then I can test a 1080p video on my LTSP5 test installation (dual xeon 64bit server --> laptop with 1600x1200 LCD as thin client)
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| 08:25 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: did Bernie show up and talk to you and Bryce?
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| 08:25 | <Gadi> I havent seen them
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| 08:25 | and I asked around yesterday, too, a bit
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| 08:28 | <Q-FUNK> Bryce would know
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| 08:34 | <fgiraldeau> gadi : hi there!
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| 08:34 | <Q-FUNK> fgiraldeau: salut monsieur! :9
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| 08:35 | <fgiraldeau> Q-FUNK : hi there
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| 08:35 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi is somewhere at the UDS
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| 08:35 | so is sbalneav
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| 08:43 | <Gadi> Q-FUNK: the concensus is in the near term to forward port the last working amd driver (ogra says that there was a working driver in gutsy at one point)
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| 08:43 | Q-FUNK: then, in the longer term, we can work on fixing the latest code
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| 08:43 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: ogra misses the larger picture: new X is the problem
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> but, gutsy has used the new X all along
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| 08:44 | so, if it was once working...
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| 08:44 | <Q-FUNK> yes and it has been broken all along
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> he thinks otherwise
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| 08:44 | <Q-FUNK> it was working with edgy
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> and feisty
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| 08:44 | <Q-FUNK> it also works with etch
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| 08:44 | yes, feisty too
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| 08:45 | it doesn't work with gutsy and lenny, using the exact same source.
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| 08:45 | so there is no concensus
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> :)
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| 08:45 | <Q-FUNK> and it would be a good idea for ogra to bother talking to me about this
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| 08:46 | <Gadi> we're all just trying to sort it out
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| 08:46 | ogra's got plenty on his own plate. He's just trying to help me investigate
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| 08:47 | <Q-FUNK> try one simple test: same source tarball (currently 2.7.7.3), built against feisty's X, then built against gutsy's X.
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| 08:47 | works rock-solid against feisty or etch X core.
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| 08:48 | fails with lenny and gutsy, both of which have newer X.
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> how about the older source?
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| 08:49 | <Q-FUNK> Gadi: btw, Bryce mentions that he spoke to Bernie of OLPC. it could be a good opportunity to fix the current source.
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| 08:49 | same result using older source.
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| 08:49 | Gadi: -> #ubuntu-x
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| 09:04 | <ITKNIGHT> Hello all
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 09:05 | <cliebow__> Halloo
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| 09:05 | <ITKNIGHT> any new things to know about ltsp
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| 09:05 | <sbalneav> Sure. Lots.
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| 09:05 | <cliebow__> Whoa..THats a loaded question
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| 09:05 | <ITKNIGHT> LOL
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| 09:06 | I know it now integrated with the new gutsy
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| 09:06 | <cliebow__> every day ..in every way ,,it is getting better and better
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| 09:06 | <ITKNIGHT> for UBUNTU
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| 09:06 | Yeah and I like that
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| 09:06 | <cliebow__> the other distros are jumping on as welll!
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| 09:06 | <ITKNIGHT> LTSP ROCKS
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| 09:07 | <cliebow__> ROCKS SOCKS!!!
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| 09:07 | <ITKNIGHT> LOL
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| 09:07 | Lets go MEts
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| 09:07 | <dtrask> mets?
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| 09:07 | <cliebow__> Heh..dangerous territory there!! 8~)
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| 09:08 | <dtrask> dude....baseball is over
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| 09:08 | died in the wool Red Sox fans here
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| 09:08 | dyed
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| 09:08 | oops
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| 09:08 | <ITKNIGHT> I got too excited
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| 09:08 | <cliebow__> Dont tell Gadi that
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| 09:08 | <ITKNIGHT> about the thin clients from disklessworstations
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| 09:09 | <cliebow__> yes?? they directly support ltsp
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| 09:09 | <ITKNIGHT> cool
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| 09:09 | <ITKNIGHT> thanks for the answer
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| 09:09 | I want to setup a few in my home
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| 09:10 | I live with a big family
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| 09:10 | <cliebow__> sure!!
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| 09:10 | <ITKNIGHT> and everyone wants to use computers
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| 09:10 | I believe that will be the best way
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| 09:13 | <Q-FUNK> dtrask: can you see if you can locate Bryce of the X team and hand him the thincan?
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| 09:14 | <sbalneav> Guaraldo: Hey, you around, my friend?
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| 09:15 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: actually, you've already met bryce, haven't you?
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> Yes I have
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| 09:15 | Very nice fellow.
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| 09:16 | <fgiraldeau> heu, Giraldeau?
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| 09:17 | I'm in the MacVicar room
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| 09:17 | <Q-FUNK> sbalneav: could you see if dtrask can loan him Gadi's thincan for a bit?
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| 09:18 | <mhterres> hello guys
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| 09:18 | I need to edit localhost in ltsp boot. What script do this task ?
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| 09:18 | <Q-FUNK> hiya
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| 09:18 | <mhterres> in terminal boot
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> mhterres: Hey!
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| 09:20 | <mhterres> hey Scott :-)
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> mhterres: Can you private chat with me?
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| 09:21 | <mhterres> off course
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| 09:23 | <dtrask> Q-FUNK: I have it...he's in the Brooks room...I'm waiting for a break in the action
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| 09:24 | <mfdutra> hello
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| 09:31 | <sbalneav> mfdutra: Hey
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| 10:10 | <sbalneav> w
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| 10:10 | ps -ef
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| 10:10 | lol
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| 11:05 | <fgiraldeau> <sbalneav> : ready to go to main?
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| 11:06 | <sbalneav> Heh, I'll need motu first :)
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| 11:15 | <fgiraldeau> What, you will be motu _right now_ ?
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| 11:15 | Why not !
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> I'm not in motu yet, I have to apply.
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| 11:16 | <fgiraldeau> Hope so, in this way you will be able to sponsor my packages ;)
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> I'll do that when I get back, and Ollie will sponser me.
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| 11:16 | <fgiraldeau> We can apply right now?
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| 11:16 | Ok
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| 11:17 | <warren> I'm prepping to go for the weekend now
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| 11:17 | making sure I have huge trees with me
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> Oak, or Larch?
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| 11:27 | <Q-FUNK> fgiraldeau: did you guys ever release any new version of libflashsupport?
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| 11:30 | fgiraldeau: I mean, outside of svn?
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| 11:30 | <dtrask> warren: bah! The storm will blow right through...beautiful day Sunday
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| 11:31 | <warren> dtrask, eh?
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| 11:31 | <dtrask> warren: what's the trees for?
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| 11:31 | warren: you driving up?
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| 11:31 | <warren> dtrask, riding with Jim
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| 11:31 | <dtrask> warren: or meeting up with Jim?
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| 11:32 | warren: gotcah
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| 11:32 | <warren> dtrask, need trees of Fedora 8 so we can hack upon it
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| 11:32 | wtf
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| 11:32 | taht looks like a frightening storm
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| 11:32 | <dtrask> warren: oh....gotcha....I thought you were joking about trees falling down or something
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| 11:33 | warren: it'll be fun...the surf will be pounding...it'll be cool
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| 11:33 | * dtrask checks local Maine weather | |
| 11:33 | * dtrask from Boston | |
| 11:34 | <dtrask> warren: http://www.wcsh6.com/weather/default.aspx
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| 11:35 | warren: they're not making a big deal out of it ;-)
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| 11:36 | <fgiraldeau> Q-FUNK : I talk to jean-michel dault about it, and a guy from debian is working on a subset of libflashdupport
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| 11:36 | this code has to be merged back
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| 11:37 | Would you need it a tarball?
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| 11:37 | Let me know
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| 11:37 | <Q-FUNK> I was mostly wondeirng why no activity happens in SVN and why there hasn't been any release yet.
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| 11:38 | The code is essentially there and mostly works, so why isn't there any 1.0 yet? :9
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| 11:38 | :)
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| 11:38 | <fgiraldeau> Yeah, I know... We will talk about releasing tarballs in Main this weekend for LTSP. I will apply same rules for other mille-xterm components.
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| 11:39 | <Q-FUNK> lovely :)
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| 11:40 | brb
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| 11:40 | <Q-FUNK> runnign to the shops before they close down for tomorrow's holidy
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| 12:12 | <lns> hi all
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| 12:14 | can anyone url me on the specifics of the changes in the client chroot in gutsy, and how it all works in contrast to in feisty? i don't see much about it specifically in edubuntu-docs...
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| 13:30 | <skipper> Am I in the right place for help with Edubuntu thin client connectionms?
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> skipper: Yep
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| 13:33 | <skipper> Good, ever since I went to Edubunto 7.10 I have not been able to connect to the thin clients
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| 13:34 | <sbalneav> Ok, so you did a fresh install? Or an upgrade
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| 13:36 | What exactly isn't working?
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| 13:37 | <skipper> I upgraded
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| 13:38 | <sbalneav> Did you rebuild the chroot?
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| 13:39 | <skipper> I had to do a buidl to install the i386 client since my server is an AMD64 bit machine and my thin clients are all older i386 machines
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| 13:40 | When I installed 7.04 I did the same thing and everything eventually came up so I did the same as I did then
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| 13:46 | <skipper> I am back
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| 13:50 | <warren> Anyone going to Maine have a USB ethernet adapter with them?
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> warren: I won't no.
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| 13:51 | <warren> sbalneav, what kind of interneworking gear do we have?
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| 13:52 | sbalneav, ethernet switches, etc.
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| 13:54 | I guess I'll bring my wireless router and a few cables
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| 13:56 | <sbalneav> Might be handy
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| 13:56 | I've got a laptop, a crossover cable, and a thin client :)
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| 13:56 | That's all I need to take over the world :)
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| 13:56 | <warren> heh, I haven't used a crossover cable in years
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| 13:56 | all gigabit ethernet seems to autodetect
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> Yeah. Great if you've got gigabit :)
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| 14:04 | Us poor slobs gotta make due :)
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| 14:06 | <cliebow__> i use crossover every day...
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| 14:07 | warren:anything i need to bring from school for you??
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| 14:07 | <warren> cliebow__, where is your school located?
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| 14:07 | <cliebow__> Ellsworth
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| 14:07 | <Q-FUNK> speaking of Gigabit, I wonder how the guys are doing with the final debuging of the DBE62...
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| 14:07 | <warren> sbalneav, didn't all laptops made in the past few years have gigabit ethernet?
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| 14:07 | <cliebow__> i am sort of host of this shindig
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| 14:07 | <warren> cliebow__, cool
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| 14:08 | cliebow__, I guess ethernet cables and ethernet switch if possible
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| 14:08 | * warren rather not unplug his switch | |
| 14:08 | <cliebow__> dtrask ill bet will go home for a minute before continuing on...
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| 14:08 | i have a 5 port er packed..
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| 14:08 | <warren> although I guess I don't need to plug thin clients in anymore to test them
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| 14:08 | * warren got PXE boot of kvm guests working | |
| 14:09 | <cliebow__> i have a g4...a pxe-booting laptop...a wierdo netvista...an etherboot client
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| 14:11 | and ill grab a mac-mini if anyone is wiulling to frig with it..
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> Mac mini?
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| 14:12 | ppc mac mini?
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| 14:12 | <cliebow__> no..intel??
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| 14:13 | no one has an efi mac working sdo they??
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| 14:13 | <warren> I'm told that intel mac mini doesn't do PXE.
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| 14:14 | <warren> cliebow__, IMHO, not useful to bring intel mac mini
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| 14:16 | <cliebow__> you dont think???trask may need his ibook reimaged again 8~)
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| 14:16 | here in Maine you cant swing a dead cat without hitting a Mac
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| 14:17 | it comes close to loading nbi.img
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| 14:21 | <cliebow__> warren: this crew doesnt know the meaing of "cant"
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| 15:02 | <dtrask> cliebow: are you there?
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| 15:20 | <skipper> I am having problems getting my Edubuntu 7.10 server to connect to the thin clients. My server is an AMD64-bit machine, my thin clients are i386. I did the i386 build. The thin clients look like they get a dhcp address but fail to actually load and run an image (I guess)
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| 15:20 | When I was running 7.04, everything worked fine
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| 15:23 | Is there some problem with the upgrade that I am not aware of?
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| 15:41 | <warren> cliebow, vagrantc: anybody have the address of the hotel Jim intends on staying in Freeport?
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> not i
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| 15:50 | <skipper> Is there someone who can help me with my edubuntu 7.10 thin client problem?
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| 15:58 | <skipper> I guess I will come back another day!
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| 15:58 | <cliebow> warren: i dont know where in freeport..though something subliminal tells me comfort inn
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| 16:04 | <lns_> hey guys, quick q = for gutsy, what's the format for RCFILE_XX in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ? I'm using relative pathnames such as /etc/ipaqsoundfix.sh but it's not working.
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| 16:04 | I've rebuilt the image with no change - if I run the script manually after logged in, it works.
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| 16:07 | <mistik1> First I would ask where you are placing the script?
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| 16:08 | Unless the format has drastically changed it should be RCFILE_01 = ipaqsoundfix.sh
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| 16:09 | then ipaqsoundfix.sh should be in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/rc.d
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| 16:09 | <lns_> mistik1, wow ok - thanks! i'll try that right now
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| 16:10 | mistik1, there's no rc.d
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| 16:10 | <mistik1> I'm not sure if Ubuntu has changed where the files are located though
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| 16:10 | <lns_> shoudl i just drop it where lts.conf is?
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| 16:10 | <mistik1> prolly not
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| 16:11 | <lns_> mistik1, it used to be relative to the chroot, which is why i had RCFILE_01 = /etc/ipaqsoundfix.sh
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| 16:11 | <mistik1> what does the directory structure look like in etc ?
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| 16:11 | It used to be rc.d
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| 16:12 | <lns_> OIC, it's rcX.d
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| 16:12 | <mistik1> *nod*
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| 16:12 | <lns_> drr ;)
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| 16:12 | i could probably throw it in rc.local
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| 16:12 | and not worry about lts.conf RCFILE_01
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| 16:13 | <mistik1> I would think RCFILE would be more flexible
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| 16:13 | as in pretty easy to enable it for one client and not others
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| 16:13 | <lns_> mistik1, good point, but all my clients are the same hardware (fortunately) =)
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| 16:14 | <mistik1> Still good practice
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| 16:14 | <lns_> mistik1, ok, point taken =) i'll do that
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| 16:21 | <lns_> mistik1, I don't see any rc.d in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 16:22 | <mistik1> Is there rc#.d ?
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| 16:22 | <lns_> but i put it right in there and referenced it, now the login wav file sounds sped up by about 100%
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| 16:22 | ?
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| 16:22 | mistik1, no - that was in the actual chroot
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| 16:23 | <mistik1> You would need to ask one of the guys using the ubuntu versions, I have not to date nor will I
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| 16:23 | <lns_> ok....thanks a bunch =)
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| 16:23 | <mistik1> So I dont know what the changed in the operation of LTSP
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| 16:29 | <lns_> argh!!!
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| 16:29 | <mistik1> I feel about the same about this Java code right now ;-)
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| 16:29 | <lns_> lol
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| 16:29 | at least i'm not alone ;)
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| 16:31 | * mistik1 wishes Java had a simple fork() method rather than thier oh so finicky Thread | |
| 16:31 | * lns_ wishes he was a programmer | |
| 16:31 | * mistik1 too ;D | |
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| 16:32 | <mistik1> My friends keep telling me I am, go figure ;)
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| 16:33 | <scrapbunn1> quick question, should I use the open dns accounts for better speed on my thin clients?
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| 16:36 | <mistik1> are you sure DNS is your slowdown?
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| 16:37 | <mistik1> I dont think i've ever heard anyone say dns would speed them up
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| 16:37 | <vagrantc> lns_: it is definitely RCFILE_NN = /full/path/relative/to/chroot
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| 16:37 | <lns_> vagrantc, thanks!! =)
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> i.e. RCFILE_01=/etc/foo if your file was in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/foo
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| 16:38 | <lns_> vagrantc, do i have to ltsp-update-image afterwards?
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> i wrote that bit of code
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| 16:38 | <lns_> and after any other change like this that involves creating/modifying files in /opt/ltsp/arch?
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> lns_: if you modify anyhting in /opt/ltsp/i386 you need to re-run ltsp-update-image.
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| 16:39 | at least on ubuntu
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| 16:39 | <lns_> vagrantc, ok just making sure =) I really like how lts.conf works though, in /var/lib/... - makes trackign changes very easy
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| 16:39 | <mistik1> vagrantc: Thank you for verifying that little piece of datum
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| 16:40 | <scrapbunn1> i just had to switch my ubuntu 7.10 dns servers to the ones from open dns.com to fix speed issues so I wanted to check is it would help with thin client speed on the internet as well
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| 16:42 | <lns_> i'm really getting used to how LTSP works, then everything has to change...bah. =p at least it's not like xp -> vista..ugh.
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| 16:42 | <scrapbunn1> i finally got my dell gx110's running as thin clients with an edubuntu 7.10 server, got sound and flash all working well. just checking speed and programs now
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| 16:43 | that's why i ask :)
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| 16:48 | <lns_> vagrantc, do you know about gstreamer issues after feisty -> gutsy upgrade? My gstreamer / gnome volume control is broken after the upgrade.
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> lns_: nope.
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| 17:00 | <lns_> yikes...anyone know how to "rebuild" the sound architecture for ltsp? It seems that upgrading it has left my network in a broken state. =(
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| 17:09 | <lns_> vagrantc, ok - i have /var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf with RCFILE_01 = /etc/ipaqsoundfix.sh
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| 17:09 | and have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ipaqsoundfix.sh with required parms
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| 17:09 | i rebuilt the chroot img with ltsp-update-image
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| 17:09 | and rebooted clients
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| 17:10 | <lns_> still doesn't execute the script =(
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> ask the ubuntu folks
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| 17:13 | <lns_> k
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| 17:14 | we need to clone ogra
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| 17:14 | ;)
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| 17:17 | aaaaaaah
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| 17:17 | RCFILE_01 thru
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| 17:17 | RCFILE_10
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| 17:17 | Additional RC scripts can be executed by the
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| 17:17 | ltsp-client-setup script. Just put the script in the
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| 17:17 | /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d directory, and
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| 17:17 | specify the name of the script in one of these entries.
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| 17:17 | whoops...sorry for that
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| 17:34 | <lns_> lts.conf RCFILE_XX is borked :(
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| 19:00 | <lns_> ok, who's an ubuntu person here
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| 19:00 | I have to fix this before i leave or i'm going to have a really sh*tty weekend!
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| 19:05 | <lns_> Ok - for whoever wants to listen, the lts.conf file "rcfile_nn" parm is broken in gutsy. If someone thinks otherwise, let me know why, because it's not working for me at all.
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