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Channel log from 23 January 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:01 | <barzog> hello. I've have following problems on gentoo amd64:
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| 09:01 | albatros2 stages # rm -rf /opt/ltsp/amd64/ && ltsp-build-client --dist Gentoo
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| 09:01 | --stage-uri file://opt/ltsp/stages/stage3-amd64-20100121.tar.bz2
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| 09:01 | --quickstart-verbose
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| 09:01 | Default Quickstart profile: /etc/ltsp/quickstart/profile.qs
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| 09:01 | Installing into: /opt/ltsp/amd64
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| 09:01 | * Sanity checking config
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| 09:01 | * you must specify a stage_uri
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| 09:01 | * kernel_sources not set...assuming gentoo-sources
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| 09:01 | * logging_daemon not set...assuming syslog-ng
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| 09:01 | * Sanity checking partition config for amd64
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| 09:01 | * bootloader not set...assuming grub
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| 09:01 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 09:01 | and ideas?
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| 09:23 | <ogra> barzog, why make you use --dist Gentoo there ?
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| 09:23 | drop that
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| 09:24 | <elmo40> ;)
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| 09:24 | drop that...
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| 09:25 | <barzog> tried. nothing changes:(
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| 09:25 | <ogra> well Gentoo is surely not a debian or ubuntu release :) (--dist specifies the release and i dont think anyone ever ported the option to gentoo)
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| 09:26 | file: is missing a third slash
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| 09:26 | should be file:///
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| 09:26 | (first two are the protocol, third is /
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| 09:26 | )
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| 09:28 | if that still doesnt work you need to wait for knipwim or johnny, they are gentoo guys
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| 09:30 | <barzog> nothing changes with third slash. ok, anyway thanks for directions. will wait....
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| 09:32 | <ogra> " you must specify a stage_uri" is surely a pointer i would take a look at :)
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| 09:34 | <barzog> I've also specified it in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf: STAGE_URI=file:///opt/ltsp/stages/stage3-amd64-20100121.tar.bz2
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| 09:34 | nothing changes. with --stage_uri it complains unknown key "--stage_uri"
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| 09:38 | <ogra> are you sure in ltsp-build-client.conf file:// is needed ?
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| 09:38 | or are you sure file:/// is needed at all ?
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| 09:38 | also have a look at ltsp-build-client --extra-help it should tell you more details about options
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| 09:38 | <barzog> it shown in http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/LTSP#Client_Install
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| 11:48 | <johnny> barzog, things have changed i think.. knipwim just did something with stage_uri to make it act differently
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| 11:49 | barzog, do you really have amd64 thin clients? :)
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| 11:51 | <elmo40> johnny: can you buy anything else? if it is new hardware it will more then likely be 64-bit.
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| 11:53 | <johnny> sure.. just depends on if you have new hardware..
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| 11:58 | <elmo40> if a company is going to implement an LTSP (bank, library, PR firm...) would they make a request for random hardware ? I would want every terminal to be the same. One profile ;) Unless you can find a stack of identical machines on eBay those companies will purchase brand new.
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| 11:59 | <johnny> i don't know anything about banks..
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| 11:59 | didn't see anything about using banks..
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| 11:59 | are you the same person?
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| 12:02 | <elmo40> check my IP. I am not.
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| 12:02 | plus, I use Debian ;)
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| 12:04 | <johnny> then why are you responding..
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| 12:04 | i was asking him
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| 12:04 | he iddn't indicate using it for a bank..
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| 12:28 | <elmo40> johnny: it was an example. bank, library, other corporate type places.
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| 14:23 | <alincoln> anyone else playing with lucid? as of this morning ltsp-build-client dies due to unmet dependencies, and I can't tell if it's because of the repo state or because I did something to break it.
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| 14:25 | <alkisg> alincoln: what's the exact error message?
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| 14:26 | <alincoln> alkisg: er, shut down the VM already. it was apt complaining about unmet dependencies for dbus, ltsp-client, and something else. sorry i didn't keep the message.
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| 14:27 | <alkisg> I don't think there's been any updates in lucid ltsp this week...
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| 14:27 | How did you call ltsp-build-client?
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| 14:28 | <alincoln> plain old 'ltsp-build-client --arch i386'
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| 14:29 | at one point i had stgraber's ppa in there, and i wanted to try moving back to the lucid package. so i had purged ltsp-server, ltspfs, and ldm-server on the server and installed the lucid packages. but i would still expect ltsp-build-client to do the right thing...?
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> One way to do that would be (1) remove stgraber's ppa (2) remove ltsp (3) apt-get update (4) install ltsp... If you did that, sure, it should work fine...
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| 14:32 | <alincoln> yep, that's what i tried
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> alincoln: I did a lot of ltsp-build-client tests this week, none of them broke.
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| 14:35 | So it must be something wrong about stgraber's ppa (didn't use it) or your setup
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| 14:35 | <alincoln> alkisg: ok. i probably broke something :) i'll just get a new one going, no worries.
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> If you try again, do keep the whole logs/messages etc
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| 14:36 | <alincoln> will do
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| 14:36 | <alkisg> And, a new version is coming out soonish, with lots of new stufff
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| 14:36 | <alincoln> cool.
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| 15:20 | <stgraber> alincoln: my PPA is a snapshot of what will be uploaded in Lucid, I don't currently have any dependency change in there so if you are using up to date lucid, the same should happen with current's lucid ltsp
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| 15:21 | <alincoln> stgraber: ok, thanks. i didn't suspect the ppa. i imagine i did something stupid :D
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| 15:21 | <stgraber> that or someone broke a dependency in lucid itself, it's a dev release so that happens quite often
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| 15:21 | in most case, just wait 2-3 hours and try again ;) Also, always use archive.ubuntu.com and not some local mirror
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| 15:22 | it may take up to a day for mirrors to update, that's not a problem for a stable release but it's for dev release
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> stgraber: is it time for 5.2? \o/
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| 15:23 | <stgraber> alkisg: I'll be doing some tests on current trunk probably today or tomorrow and if I don't find anything broken, I'll tag that as 5.1.99
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| 15:23 | nbd-proxy is stable and a lot faster than last week though it's still adding a 30% or so overhead which I'll get fixed last week for 5.2
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| 15:23 | <alkisg> Yey :)
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| 15:23 | <stgraber> s/last/next/ of course
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> Some teachers here want to test the fat clients plugin asap, so I'll tell them to test 5.1.99 - that way we'll have more input for a stable 5.2 ;)
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| 15:27 | <stgraber> sounds good
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| 15:28 | vagrantc: In some of the diffs Launchpad sent me I noticed we are playing with IFS to get the right result from while/for loops but didn't restore the IFS after the loop, was that done on purpose ?
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| 15:29 | vagrantc: usually "unset IFS" is causing some weird issues and that's why we save it as OLDIFS and the restore it after the loop
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i may have missed it in the initial commits, but everything should end with unset IFS ; test -n "$OLDIFS" && IFS="$OLDIFS"
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| 15:30 | i found a few cases that were inconsistant that i fixed in code i didn't even use
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| 15:30 | stgraber: so you're saying "unset IFS" shouldn't be used at all?
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| 15:31 | <stgraber> well, if you do unset + restore the OLDIFS, that's fine, I thought I saw a case where we only unset it but never restore the old one
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| 15:32 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i'm fairly certain i fixed those by the end of my flurry of commits
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| 15:33 | stgraber: and a few extra ones for good measure
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| 15:33 | <stgraber> vagrantc: ok, I just found one in another file that you didn't touch, so I guess that was just me not parsing LP's diff correctly in my head ;)
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| 15:33 | thanks for all the cleaning up
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> stgraber: there should be noticeable speed improvements on login when localapps is enabled now
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| 15:34 | still kind of slow, at least with debian+nfs ... but i think even NBD setups will notice
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| 15:34 | <stgraber> did you do some tests with weird group names ? In the past we had some issues with "Domain Admins" as group that'd make that script fail and end up with no groups at all
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i didn't test it ... i don't really have a means to do so
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| 15:35 | stgraber: but i'm fairly certain it should work even with spaces and whatnot.
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| 15:35 | in shell, case is king.
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| 15:37 | <stgraber> vagrantc: I'll try to do some tests here later today, I really hope the new code handles it correctly as we had to do a lot of hack in the past (and probably adding a lot of overhead with these)
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> stgraber: it's all quoted pattern matching, so it should be fine.
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| 15:37 | <stgraber> cool, btw, how are we doing with translations ?
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> i think there are only 4 slightly out of date, and 1 way out of date
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| 15:38 | stgraber: today's the "deadline" i gave, of course we'd keep accepting updates :)
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| 16:13 | <highvoltage> hi stgraber
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| 16:15 | <alkisg> Here's a way to *correctly* restore IFS: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m10b9a7bc
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| 16:15 | (i.e. unset it if it was initially unset)
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| 21:03 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hey there!
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| 21:04 | sbalneav: any news on the fancy pam ssh thingamawhatzit lately?
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| 21:04 | sbalneav: i'm looking at switching to fatclients at freegeek, but having screensaver's lock the user out of their session is nearly a blocker...
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| 21:05 | and who knows what other pam-needing services lurk
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| 21:06 | sbalneav: would it be the sort of thing that could still be useful even with versions of ldm that didn't take advantage of it yet?
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| 21:06 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Well, in *theory*, we might even be able to use gdm
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| 21:06 | <vagrantc> i.e. to authenticate localapp/fatclient screensavers, for example.
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| 21:06 | sbalneav: whoah.
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| 21:07 | <sbalneav> I'm working on it, I've got a book on pam ordered from amazon.
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| 21:07 | * vagrantc nudges amazon to get a move on | |
| 21:07 | <sbalneav> Should be here monday.
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| 21:07 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it's very exciting!
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| 21:07 | it will solve all our problems!
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| 21:07 | <sbalneav> I'd like to have something play-aroundable-with by next weekend.
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| 21:09 | <sbalneav> Yeah, it is kind of exciting, isn't it! :)
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| 21:41 | <XuzhouJim> So, no one here either?
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| 21:42 | <johnny> !ask
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| 21:42 | <ltspbot`> johnny: "ask" :: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 21:42 | <johnny> XuzhouJim, in all reality.. this is a bad time for this channel
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| 21:42 | the current set of contributors seems to be most active during european/usa business hours
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| 21:43 | on weekdays
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| 21:43 | it is not very active on the weekends
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| 21:43 | <XuzhouJim> OK. Am in China. Just looking for a good place to RTFM on Edubuntu 9.10.
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| 21:49 | <sbalneav> XuzhouJim: What's your question?
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| 21:49 | I'm also in #edubuntu
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| 21:51 | <XuzhouJim> I used linux back in the old days when you had to compile your own kernel but I don't have much experience with the new packages.
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| 21:51 | I want to set up a Thin Client/Server lab and need to find a good source for learning the basics so I can form an intelligent question.
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| 21:52 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 21:52 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 21:52 | <sbalneav> ^^^
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| 21:52 | 80+ page manual there.
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| 21:53 | <XuzhouJim> Should I get up to speed on ltsp first, then tackle the Edubuntu side?
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| 21:54 | Oh Shite! Wife is ready for lunch. Will have to get back later. Leave your answer, I'll pick it up in the log.
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