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Channel log from 27 January 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:36 | <ogra> warren, locale -a on debian and ubuntu does the same, we just dont waste space and dont install unused locales ;) though fedora is good here to see the worst case scenario where a user was insane enough to install several gig of language packages
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| 03:37 | warren, by default ubuntu has only en and C locales (as the emergency fallback) plus the language that was selected during installation ...
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| 03:37 | on debian thats even different, since you need to install locales manually
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| 03:45 | <redspike> Hi, How i handle users in a LTSP server? is LDAP settings made in the /opt/ltsp chroot or are users handle by the server ?
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| 03:51 | <ogra> users are handled on the server, all apps and your session run on the server
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| 03:53 | by default there are no users in the chroot and the root account is locked ... your desktop comes to the client via ssh, if you have a user on the server that can ssh, it will also work for ltsp
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| 04:04 | <redspike> ogra: way a chroot ? in /opt ?
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| 04:05 | <ogra> thats the rootfs the clients use ... they mount it via nbd or nfs on boot ... then start X and a graphical ssh login manager (LDM)
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| 04:06 | <redspike> ogra: if i whant to change the wm to icewm? is it in the chroot then?
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| 04:06 | <ogra> no
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| 04:06 | its on the server
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| 04:06 | <redspike> ok. now iam with you.
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| 04:07 | <ogra> everything before login happens on the client, everything ater login is server side
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| 04:07 | <redspike> ogra: if ill whant some applications to run on the "local clients hardware" is it hard to fix?
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| 04:07 | <ogra> *after
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| 04:07 | <redspike> ok.
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| 04:07 | <ogra> depends which version of ltsp you use and which version of your OS
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| 04:08 | <redspike> ubuntu 8.04 lts. i think its ltsp 5
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| 04:08 | <ogra> i.e. in ubuntu 8.10 you can easily do it with some manual changes ...
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| 04:08 | 8.04 has no support for it
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| 04:08 | in 9.04 it will be fully integrated
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| 04:09 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup thats documentation for 8.10
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| 04:10 | <redspike> ogra: ok ill will go from 8.10 then and later upgrade.
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| 04:20 | <redspike> ogra: is it recommend to install it using the desktop version or can i use the server and after that add icewm for example
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| 04:22 | <ogra> i'd use the alternate CD
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| 04:23 | you have an expert mode there, that can skip the desktop install (but requires some understanding of the installer)
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| 04:23 | <redspike> ogra: way not the server cd ?
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| 04:26 | <ogra> it has no X or anything ... you might miss bits and pieces server side
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| 04:27 | i'd either go with the desktop CD and just throw in icewm on top or use the alternate CD and select a task that gives you a basic X environment and install icewm on top
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| 04:27 | <redspike> ogra: thanx.
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| 04:28 | <smashi> hallo together
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| 04:28 | i have some troubles with ltsp debian - lenny with network connections
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| 04:29 | i have a programm that uses port 32032
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| 04:29 | i can use the programm from another computer but not from localhos
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| 06:33 | <quickslip> good morning
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| 06:33 | ne1 in yet?
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| 06:33 | <laga> !seen ne1
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| 06:33 | <ltspbot> laga: I have not seen ne1.
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| 06:52 | <nubae> n1 probably means anyone ;-)
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| 06:52 | ne1 even
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| 06:52 | <laga> !seen anyone
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| 06:52 | <ltspbot> laga: I have not seen anyone.
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| 06:52 | <nubae> hey Laga, I have a question about mythbuntu
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| 06:52 | <ogra> blind bot :P
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| 06:52 | <laga> nubae: shoot
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| 06:54 | <nubae> ok... whats the best way to set something up so that I have approx. 4 terms in different rooms and one at the TV in the living room?
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| 06:54 | <nubae> I would really like not to have to dedicate a server just for mythbuntu
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| 06:55 | the different terms all have TVs next to them too, though they may not always be used
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| 06:56 | <laga> what kind of terminals are that?
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| 06:56 | <nubae> well, 1-2ghz pentium 3 and 4, with tv out cards
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| 06:57 | but, can I run the server to do both mythbuntu and other chroots?
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| 06:58 | sometimes the terminals would be just for normal computer usage... ie laptop
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| 06:59 | <laga> yeah, you can just create a different chroot and use pxelinux to get a boot menu
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| 06:59 | <nubae> ah ok, set the menu on startup to choose what one wants
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| 07:00 | ok, and if I want 720p or 1080p, what kind of server do u recommend?
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| 07:01 | <laga> nubae: the video is decoded by the clients
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| 07:02 | <nubae> ah right... sorry, its fat...
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| 07:02 | I forget that :-)
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| 07:02 | <laga> server doesn't matter that much for digital HD tv. and a p3 won't cut it for 1080i HD
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| 07:03 | <nubae> and if I had to upgrade tv card/video card, what do u recommend?
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| 07:04 | <laga> i don't live in the US (but i assume you do). you better check the wiki at http://wiki.mythtv.org
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| 07:05 | <nubae> nope
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| 07:05 | I live in Austria
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| 07:08 | <ogra> tats nearly US though :P
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| 07:09 | <nubae> I'm not really sure I get that joke :-)
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| 07:10 | I'm still not sure if mythtv is what I'm looking for... I want a multimedia station that organises all my stuff well, and can play anywhere across the network
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| 07:11 | multimedia server I suppose I mean
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| 07:11 | <ogra> you probably should try out elisa as local app (replacinf ldm)
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| 07:11 | s/f/g
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| 07:13 | <nubae> yeah that looks quite nice... I also heard of another one that was originally developed for the xbox360 or something.. XBMC
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| 07:18 | <laga> nubae: mythtv is mostly about recording.
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| 07:19 | <nubae> yeah thas what I thought, i have torrents for that :p
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| 08:34 | <cyberorg> ogra, Gadi could you please look at this and commit if everything ok or comment what needs to be done to upstream it
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| 08:34 | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=b317ae5c0901220814i291d060dy2ef6792a1a9b0b21%40mail.gmail.com
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| 08:35 | <ogra> cyberorg, i think warren had some suggestions to put the changes in different places in the ldm code
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| 08:37 | cyberorg, sorry, but i'm not much involved in ltsp or ldm development recently, i can only make general commments ... if thats all thats needed the fixes look at least better to me than the ones that exported the password to the environment
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| 08:38 | <cyberorg> ogra, ok, i just got this in logs "<warren> hmm... the nomad patches look ok, except most of it is done in the wrong place" not where it should go exactly, so will ping warren
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| 08:38 | <ogra> right, he is more into the code atm
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| 08:39 | <cyberorg> ogra, and no suse does not randomly rewrite files in /etc :)
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| 08:39 | * Gadi needs to find the email with the attachment | |
| 08:39 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:39 | <cyberorg> Gadi, http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/attachment.php?list_name=ltsp-developer&message_id=b317ae5c0901220814i291d060dy2ef6792a1a9b0b21@mail.gmail.com&counter=1
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| 08:43 | <Gadi> cyberorg: looks mostly good, but I would just cleanup the if/else statement
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| 08:44 | since you call rc_files() in both
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| 08:44 | I would just have an if (ldm.nomad) to run the rest
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| 08:47 | <ltsppbot> "cyberorg" pasted "like this?" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/216
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| 08:47 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:48 | <cyberorg> sbalneav, hi :)
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> Good afternoon... I'm trying to figure out a good way for the teacher to broadcast a video, e.g. from a dvd, so that all students see/hear the same things simultaneously. iTalc isn't good enough for real time video projection. I thought about vlc on the server reading the dvd and streaming the video, and vlc again on the clients playing the http:// stream. This would also save some server CPU, because the video gets decoded only once. But there must be a simp
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| 08:54 | Or, if there's a really light video player I could use as a localapp even with 64MB ram on the clients...
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| 08:54 | (that supports streaming...:))
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| 08:55 | <ltsppbot> "cyberorg" pasted "updated patch" (108 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/217
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| 08:56 | "cyberorg" pasted "sorry, this is properly updated patch" (107 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/218
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| 09:18 | <robp2175> NEWBIE alert!! I am setting up F10LTSP and have HP e90 clients. When thin client boots. I do not get the mouse cursor. Anyone else experienced a similar problem?
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| 09:54 | <_UsUrPeR_> hey, guys. I just switched a ubuntu 8.04 boot image to nfs, but I can't seem to get it to read the lts.conf located in ~chroot/etc/lts.conf. I followed the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
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| 09:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, it's option root-path reads as follows: "/opt/ltsp/i386"
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| 09:56 | so that's pointed to the right place..
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| 09:56 | I ran ltsp-update-kernel
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| 09:57 | also, if I stop nfs-kernel-server in /etc/init.d, it causes the client to die
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| 09:59 | whoops, got it. I forgot to put [DEFAULT] in the lts.conf
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| 09:59 | that'll do it!
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| 10:05 | <robp2175> Anyone have any thoughts on why the mouse cursor would be missing when a client boots into xwindows?
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| 10:05 | Using fedora 10
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| 10:38 | <warren> cyberorg: I suppose if you make Gadi/vagrantc/ryan52 happy it is good enough.
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| 10:56 | <nubae> oi randra
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| 10:56 | muito tempo sem ver...
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| 11:09 | <elisboa> hi all
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| 11:10 | have anyone had problem with next-server option on dhcpd.conf?
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| 11:10 | eg. I have a tftp and nfs server in a different ip than the dhcp server
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| 11:10 | <sbalneav> Nope
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| 11:10 | <elisboa> even using next-server on dhcpd.conf the thin client tries to connect to dhcp ip
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| 11:10 | :(
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| 11:13 | ops
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| 11:13 | seems like now it is trying to connect to the real tftp server
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| 11:13 | but it is getting a timeout, weee!
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| 11:13 | an advance
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| 11:15 | which is LTSP's default tftp daemon? tftpd or atftpd?
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| 11:15 | or that other, whose name I don't remeber?
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| 11:15 | hpa
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| 11:15 | that was the name, i guess
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| 11:15 | <ogra> really depends on your distro
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| 11:15 | <elisboa> which of the tree?
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| 11:16 | ogra: im debian etch here
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| 11:16 | <ogra> tftpd-ha in inetd mode is the default then
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| 11:16 | *hpa
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| 11:16 | <elisboa> is this the best of the three?
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| 11:16 | <ogra> ubuntu and debian use that
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| 11:16 | its the one that works for everyone else :)
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| 11:16 | and it set up by default
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| 11:17 | did you restart your dhcpd after changing the parameter ?
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| 11:17 | <elisboa> ogra: sure I did
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| 11:18 | <ogra> and you only have one dhcp server in your network ... not a second one that could cause a race ?
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| 11:18 | <elisboa> but thanks for asking
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| 11:18 | there is a second, but i am sure it is getting the right one
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| 11:18 | i am loggin
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| 11:18 | the problem now is the tftpd server :)
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| 11:19 | <ogra> no, dont run a second dhcpd
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| 11:19 | that cant work
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| 11:19 | <elisboa> the second is not mine
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| 11:30 | <smashi> Hi I have 1 problem with ltsp debian lenny my i have no sound device /dev/dsp the device driver is load i have remove audiopulse becaus it takes to much cpu
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| 11:31 | <smashi> and i found another problem in ltsp debian lenny the loopback device are not configured automaticaly
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| 11:32 | <ogra> you should just be able to set SOUND=False in lts.conf to prevent pulse from starting
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| 11:32 | <smashi> but how i get my dsp device ??
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| 11:33 | <ogra> by having the right kernel module
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| 11:33 | <smashi> yes
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| 11:34 | if my client starts up he find the soundcard an i hear a short sound from speaker
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| 11:36 | CS5530: Xpressaudio at 0x220
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| 11:36 | CS5530: IRW:5 DMA8 ....
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| 12:12 | <nubae> /join #habari
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| 12:28 | <SDuensin> Greetings.
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| 12:30 | <elisboa> ogra: what I found: if I alter server-identifier to tftpd server's IP, it works flawlessly
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| 12:30 | weirdo
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| 12:30 | <nubae> habari rocks!
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| 12:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, so I'm editing an xorg.conf in F10 right now... I'm trying to assign position to a specific monitor. It seems to ignore the following command: Option "RightOf" "Monitor0"
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| 12:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> the same command works with intel drivers in ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10
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| 12:32 | <Lns> nubae: habari?
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| 12:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> is there a different rightof command for fedora? the Xorg.1.log shows that the command is being acknowledged and doesn't give an error...
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| 12:33 | <nubae> like wordpress on steroids
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| 12:33 | blogging soft I'm using
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| 12:34 | <Lns> wow nice. I like b2evolution, though it's kind of a pain to set up in debian
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| 12:34 | <nubae> habari just has so many neat plugins
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| 12:35 | like links to twitter, linkedin, calendars, all kind of media depots
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| 12:37 | <Lns> wow, i wish you said something a few days ago, before I migrated my b2evo db to my new server :(
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| 12:38 | <nubae> I'm using it to create all my clients websites now... takes a day instead of a week to create something
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| 12:38 | <SDuensin> nubae - WebGUI! :-)
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| 12:39 | Not the best blog platform, but for overall web building, you can't touch it.
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| 12:41 | <nubae> its just so fast to work with, everything is clearly abstracted
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| 12:42 | <SDuensin> I'll have to look at it. Gonna take something serious to get me to change though. :-D
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| 12:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> anyone on the above xorg.conf? I've also tried defining specific points i.e. option "position" "1680 0"
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| 12:44 | <Lns> _UsUrPeR_: sorry, never have used multiple monitors in ltsp
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| 12:44 | <nubae> thers something in the docs
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| 12:44 | in the appendix about 2 monitors
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| 12:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> nubae: ok, I'll check it out. I could have sworn that xorg configs were interchangeable between OS'es
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| 12:45 | * _UsUrPeR_ consults THE DOCS! | |
| 12:56 | <Gadi> _UsUrPeR_: why not use lts.conf params?
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| 12:56 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi: is there documentation for that someplace online?
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| 12:57 | <Gadi> not really, because it is mostly in upstream, but I know warren grabs really new stuff for fedora
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| 12:57 | do you know what the names of the outputs are?
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| 12:57 | (in xrandr)
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| 12:57 | <warren> Gadi: trouble is upstream keeps moving so I don't know what is stable to release
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| 12:59 | <_UsUrPeR_> does anyone have just a list of the x_ params for F10? Just something simple?
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| 13:00 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: the lts.conf X_ params are whatever are supported by upstream LTSP
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| 13:00 | _UsUrPeR_: Fedora has the newest version of X
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| 13:00 | <Gadi> anyhow, if you find the name for the xrandr outputs
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| 13:01 | you can use:
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| 13:01 | XRANDR_OUTPUT_0 = "LVDS"
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| 13:01 | XRANDR_OUTPUT_1 = "VGA --left-of LVDS"
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| 13:01 | or some such
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| 13:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> gadi/warren: is there a succinct list of these specific parameters someplace I can reference? I have this specific thing working properly, except for the screen output is reversed, and leftof and rightof don't seem to be taking effect.
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| 13:03 | <warren> I have never used multi-screen before, can't help you there.
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| 13:03 | I don't have hardware capable of it either.
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> warren: where do you put lts-parameters.txt
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| 13:04 | on fedora
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| 13:04 | or whatever the file is called?
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| 13:04 | <warren> /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server-5.1.49/lts-parameters.txt
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> ok
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| 13:04 | not sure when it was last updated, but its a start
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| 13:04 | _UsUrPeR_: either there or the upstream docs
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| 13:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> awesome. thanks.
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| 13:56 | <nubae> Lns: take a look here for explanation on why habari is soooo good ;-)
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| 13:56 | http://www.nbrightside.com/blog/tag/software/page/1
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| 13:58 | <alkisg> nubae: WYSIWYG editor?
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| 13:59 | <nubae> if u want yes
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| 13:59 | if u dont want no
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| 13:59 | <alkisg> And does it work? :)
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| 13:59 | Because it's usually unusable... :P
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| 13:59 | <nubae> I tend to use the non wysiwyg... I like to control my tags
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| 13:59 | check www.wunderwillkommen.com and nubae.com
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| 13:59 | both are habaris...
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| 14:00 | u can deploy a really nice looking customised habari in about 2 days t most
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> What's the password for Site admin?
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| 14:00 | :P :D
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| 14:01 | Ah, looks good..
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| 14:03 | <Lns> nubae: nice =)
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| 14:04 | b2evolution is extremely easy to use too - multiblog, very fine grained control
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| 14:04 | lots of nice themes
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> What would be the best way to stream a video to the clients using VLC? http, rtp, rtsp, mms... can a pipe be used? (normal installation, no local apps).
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| 14:34 | <alkisg> Or, to do this correctly: anyone knows some way to make the clients receive a stream from a multicast group, and some simple raw-video player that (I believe will be able to) work as a localapp with minimal client requirements?
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| 14:38 | <Lns> alkisg: if you have localapps support for something basic like xine / vlc / whatever, I don't see any difference in how it works normally than with using it as a localapp..i might be wrong, but...
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| 14:39 | <alkisg> Lns: my clients have 64 mb ram, that's why I want something really light
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| 14:39 | And with multicasting it'll work with low network bandwidth
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| 14:39 | <Lns> alkisg: ah, yeah.. that's pretty lowend for using localapps.
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| 14:40 | <Lns> alkisg: never worked much with multicasting before, but the quality/size of the video is what i'd think would matter the most.
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| 14:40 | for instance, with youtube, running it in a reduced size window (YT.com sometimes gives you this option in the player) makes it MUCH smoother than the normalsize
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| 14:41 | <alkisg> That's XV scaling, all players support it except for flash :P :D
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| 14:41 | If you open an .flv with totem, you won't see a different from reduced size to full screen
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| 14:42 | *difference
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| 14:42 | And with multicasting, 80Mbps for broadcasting will be just 80mbps, not (number of clients) * 80 mbps...
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| 14:47 | <Lns> alkisg: right. Of course, that's just for simultaneous streams.. now we just need switches with large buffers. ;)
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| 14:49 | <alkisg> Lns: yes, the point is for the teacher to be able to broadcast a dvd / .avi / .mpg. Why the need for large buffers? 80 mbps isn't much...
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| 14:50 | <Lns> alkisg: i was thinking of something like a delayed-multicast scenario..
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> Ah, it's local network, I don't think there will much delays...
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| 14:53 | * Lns wonders if using local TC x server buffers would be possible to use in speeding up video for non-localapp, non-fatclient type setups if one hooked into the right libs | |
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> Lns, while searching I saw some libs which acted like video repeaters. Don't remember the names, but they do exist.
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| 14:56 | <Lns> interesting!
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> OK, a different question (looking for alternatives)! Ignoring security for a while, if I copied all the xauthority files from the clients to the server, would it be possible to create a program that would use them to connect and simultaneously project video to all the displays?
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| 15:01 | <warren> entirely wrong idea.
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> warren, could you please explain it to me?
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| 15:01 | If I have an x-authority file, can I use it to connect to the x-server?
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| 15:01 | <warren> you can't multicast X applications
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| 15:02 | you might be able to run localapps video players on each client and multicast data to all of them
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| 15:02 | but I don't know any software that does multicast anymore
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| 15:02 | <alkisg> I could fork an application to connect to 10 different X displays... and syncrhonize to itself with mutexes
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| 15:02 | <warren> do you have any idea how much bandwidth that is?
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| 15:03 | <warren> 100mbit can barely handle two 320x240 youtube videos
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> finding a video player that handles multicasting would probably be the only sane approach...
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> Some drivers support decompression, others xvideo. As it is, watching divx full screen video on my school needs about 70 mbps per client
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| 15:05 | <warren> watching *anything* full screen over the network will use tons of bandwidth
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| 15:05 | it is already decompressed at that point and you're transmitting raw bits to the X server
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| 15:05 | your idea is crack
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| 15:05 | =)
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> warren: I've tested this, xvideo scaling makes it possible to send low resolution video and play it full screen
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| 15:06 | <warren> play full screen low quality video?
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| 15:06 | alkisg: that's still way too much bandwidth
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| 15:06 | <alkisg> As I said, 70 mbps per client
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| 15:06 | <warren> yes, that's too much
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> Help me get this step-by-step: if I copy a client xauthority file to the server, I can use it to launch an application that displays output to the client?
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| 15:09 | <warren> Ryan52: tested the latest ldm... better, but the displayed strings are ambiguous
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| 15:09 | Ryan52: like 10 different arabic, 10 different English indistinguishable from each other.
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| 15:56 | <warren> Ryan52: ok.... here's the problem
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| 15:56 | Ryan52: you're still transmitting strings from iso-codes over the ldm protocol.
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| 15:57 | Ryan52: that's wrong
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| 15:57 | Ryan52: you should transmit only the LANG code like the old ldminfod
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| 15:57 | Ryan52: that is all the client needs to display whatever strings it wants
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| 16:09 | <vagrantc> warren: what do you mean?
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| 16:09 | warren: regarding the language codes and such ...
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| 16:10 | seems like you need to get the strings from the server, as the client may have a different interpretation of which strings to use, and it would require installing and parsing some large files over the network
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| 16:11 | <vagrantc> though, i'm surprised it's returning "Spanish; Castilian" for argentinian, mexican and US spanish... at the very least, argentinian should be different.
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| 16:12 | ditto for portuguese and braziliain portuguese...
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| 16:28 | <warren> vagrantc: the way it is written now, you need the translations on both sides
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| 16:28 | <warren> vagrantc: and you can't transmit all strings over the wire because that's 237 languages in our case.
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> warren: so you would propose to have ldminfod do exactly what it was doing, and generate the locale to human-friendly language names client-side?
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| 16:31 | <warren> vagrantc: yes
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| 16:31 | vagrantc: the alternative is to transmit arbitrarily large amounts over the wire upon every connect
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> warren: you're talking about translating the strings into their own native language?
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| 16:46 | <Lns> Is there a solid solution for making server-inserted CD/DVD/etc disc icons from appearing on all client desktops in Ubuntu 8.04?
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| 16:46 | err... as in, for making them NOT appear
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| 16:47 | <vagrantc> Lns: needs a newer version of ltspfs
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| 16:47 | ltspfsd, actually
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| 16:48 | Lns: oh, sorry, i was thinking of a different issue.
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| 16:48 | <Lns> oh
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| 16:48 | <vagrantc> Lns: i think the most solid solution is to remove the CD/DVD drive from your server. :)
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| 16:48 | <Lns> vagrantc: blargh
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| 16:48 | the teachers need it for the win2k VM running on the same server :(
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| 16:49 | they use it for report cards... and they (unknowingly) left a disc in with student info on it, it appeared on everyone's desktops, and someone copied the files to their home dir
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| 16:49 | baaaaad stuff
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> yeah, sounds pretty ugly.
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| 16:51 | <Lns> so, no gconf key or anything to prevent the icon from coming up at all (even on the server) ? The VM is really the only thing they need it for, and that'll connect fine i'd think
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| 16:51 | * Lns does some 'find's in gconf | |
| 16:52 | <Lns> oh, well sh*t. =p
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| 16:52 | looks like /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible would do the trick!
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| 16:53 | maybe /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount as well
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| 17:04 | <dberkholz> then just the people who know how to use linux would find it.
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| 17:10 | <Lns> dberkholz: true. I guess whipping together an icon to automount outside of /media (which is where i presume you mount things that you want to appear on the desktop) for certain users who need it
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| 17:10 | <Lns> It's strange to see that everyone has perms for the user-mounted device.
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| 17:21 | <dberkholz> just don't load the kernel module for cdrom support.
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| 17:21 | hard to look at a cd when you can't use the drive
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| 17:26 | <Lns> dberkholz: look at my above comments.. teachers need the cd-rom for the virtual machine hosted on the same server.
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| 18:11 | <Ryan52> warren: then ldm has to parse xml...which looked hard :). I'll figure it out later.
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| 18:11 | (tonight)
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| 18:13 | <dberkholz> Lns: how do the client kernel access it?
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| 18:13 | <Lns> dberkholz: are you talking about disabling the chroot's cdrom module?
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| 18:14 | <dberkholz> sure, if there's no need for it
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| 18:14 | <Lns> dberkholz: it might be in the future
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| 18:15 | but this is the SERVER cd-rom so I don't think it applies to the chroot modules
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| 18:20 | <warren> Ryan52: we could instead do this, easier for ldm and smaller client image:
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| 18:21 | <warren> Ryan52: ldm BuildRequires: iso-codes, then building of ldm pulls strings from those files into a minimal .mo to install into the ldm binary package.
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| 18:21 | Ryan52: you avoid 8MB of extra deps in the chroot and we don't need to maintain the translations ourselves.
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| 18:22 | Ryan52: simpler than ldm parsing too
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| 18:22 | <Ryan52> okay, that might be easyish to do.
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| 18:22 | though, if iso-codes is only composed of the xml and it's translations, I wonder how much it's gonna generate, and how big that'll make ldm..
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| 18:23 | because currently ldm/ldminfo don't *require* it, they just want it.
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| 18:23 | <warren> Ryan52: you're pulling in only the minimal strings, not absolutely everything
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| 18:24 | Ryan52: and ldm binary package has only .mo, not the generated .po
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| 18:24 | Ryan52: another problem is your current code prints like 10 English and 10 Arabic with no visible difference
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| 18:24 | <Ryan52> ok.
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| 18:25 | that's because they are different territories.
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| 18:25 | how does gdm handle that?
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| 18:25 | <warren> Ryan52: I think it also shows the language code
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| 18:25 | <Ryan52> how does it know which English or which Francais you want?
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| 18:25 | oh.
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| 18:25 | you didn't mention that part :)
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| 18:26 | <warren> let's just invent something
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| 18:26 | English (Optional Localized Name if it exists) en_GB
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| 18:26 | <Ryan52> ok.
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| 18:27 | <warren> Ryan52: it actually would look better in columns instead of variable length strings to align the three
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| 18:27 | Ryan52: but not a big deal
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| 18:27 | add columns later
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| 18:27 | * Ryan52 nods | |
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| 19:04 | <oandarilho01> greetings.. I'm having problems to complete a pxe boot process
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| 19:04 | it seems to be a dhcp config issue
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| 19:05 | my terminal stops the process with the message IP-Config: eth0 hardware address <MAC> mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
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| 19:06 | itś having this behavior for a while.. suddenly, after specify a fixed IP address usingo host directive, the terminal passed this point, and started to boot
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| 19:07 | but the server ran out of memory, and after a reboot to upgrade memory, the terminal returns to this non-working stage..
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| 19:07 | any help?
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| 22:19 | <warren> Hmm, anyone know if there exists a command that kills all processes in a particular tree. I need to kill all children and children's children of a particular process. So basically genocide.
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| 22:21 | <Ryan52> pkill -P "$PARENT"
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| 22:28 | <warren> hmm
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| 22:28 | Ryan52: you running fedora now?
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| 22:30 | <Ryan52> yes, on one system.
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| 22:30 | <warren> Ryan52: host or vm guest?
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| 22:30 | <Ryan52> host
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| 22:31 | <warren> Ryan52: did you want to become a fedora developer?
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| 22:31 | Ryan52: is there anything you like to use that isn't already packaged?
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| 22:31 | <Ryan52> fedora developer? maybe. anything I use that's not packaged? not really.
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| 22:33 | <warren> Ryan52: I could use somebody else joining me in handling building the ltsp packages into Fedora.
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| 22:33 | Ryan52: I will continue to be working on LTSP, but it will be second to my primary job.
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| 22:34 | Ryan52: I can't keep track of everything upstream on a daily basis
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| 22:35 | Ryan52: I was planning on making an announcement asking for another fedora developer to join me and I would train them, but you already know it far better than anybody.
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| 22:35 | <Ryan52> oh, ok, I guess...vagrantc's gonna think I'm insane, but *shrug*
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| 22:36 | okay, so what do I do? :p
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| 22:36 | <warren> Ryan52: did you already create a fedora account?
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| 22:36 | <Ryan52> maybe. lemme check.
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| 22:37 | how do I check?
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| 22:37 | nevermind
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| 22:37 | <warren> Ryan52: (also later, if there are other upstream projects that you develop on or *really* like, it would be likely trivial to grant you co-owner or at least commit access on other packages, even core OS if you really want it.)
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| 22:37 | <warren> Ryan52: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/
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| 22:37 | <Ryan52> yep, I do have an account.
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| 22:38 | <stgraber> Ryan52: btw, about that language thing (haven't had a chance to look at it yet), gdm is displaying: LANGUAGE (TERRITORY) at least on Ubuntu so I guess it'd make someething like English (USA) or French (France) (and all other variants for both languages)
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| 22:38 | * Ryan52 says ugh. | |
| 22:38 | <Ryan52> stgraber, that's what I originally had.
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| 22:38 | <stgraber> Ryan52: ok, what was the issue with that ?
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| 22:38 | <warren> Ryan52: territory string is part of iso-codes?
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| 22:39 | <Ryan52> in a different xml file, but ya.
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| 22:39 | <warren> stgraber: we wanted to make it more like gdm
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| 22:39 | <stgraber> well, that's what I see in gdm :)
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| 22:39 | <warren> stgraber: it is clear that the current thing has to change
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| 22:39 | stgraber: what version of gdm?
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| 22:39 | * Ryan52 loves these differences between warren's gdm and our gdm | |
| 22:39 | <stgraber> 2.20.8-0ubuntu3
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| 22:39 | <Ryan52> new gdm sounds like it sucks.
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| 22:39 | a) I don't like that it doesn't ask to change the defaults anymore
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| 22:40 | b) that lanaguage change is stupid
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| 22:40 | * Ryan52 will shaddup now | |
| 22:40 | <stgraber> and for now it's also the gdm we ship in Jaunty
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| 22:40 | <warren> Ryan52: hmm, you plan on moving your main machine back to debian?
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| 22:40 | I kind of need a permanent co-maintainer of the LTSP packages...
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| 22:41 | meaning ability to actually test them, not just build them
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| 22:41 | <Ryan52> warren, my main machine is still Debian.
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| 22:41 | <warren> Ryan52: oh
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| 22:41 | * warren sees an upstart bug... | |
| 22:42 | <warren> Ryan52: ok, you're still interested in helping even though it isn't your main machine?
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| 22:43 | <Ryan52> yes.
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| 22:44 | <warren> Ryan52: what is your fedora account name?
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| 22:44 | <Ryan52> ryan52
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| 22:51 | <warren> ooh
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| 22:51 | Ryan52: do you know how to make a shell script jump to a particular place upon a kill signal?
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| 22:52 | <Ryan52> kill...no, impossible...you mean TERM? and are you using sh or bash?
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| 22:52 | <warren> bash
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| 22:52 | <cyberorg> Ryan52, can you have a look at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/218 Gadi and ogra are happy with it, missed vagrantc :)
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| 22:53 | <Ryan52> warren, trap "echo bye" TERM
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| 22:54 | <warren> Ryan52: plain kill is sig 15?
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| 22:54 | TERM?
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| 22:55 | <Ryan52> TERM is 15.
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| 22:55 | <warren> Ryan52: I made you admin in two FAS groups. As your first act, please remove all the unapproved members in both groups.
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| 22:56 | <Ryan52> tho it's a bit screwy (thought bash didn't do it, but it does too).
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| 22:56 | if you have a trapped term, and a child is running, it will wait for that child before acting on it.
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| 22:56 | haven't figured out the "right" solution for that one yet..
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| 22:56 | <warren> Ryan52: oh damn =(
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| 22:57 | <Ryan52> if you figure it out, let me know :)
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| 22:57 | * Ryan52 quit a project he spent a lot of time writing because he couldn't figure that out...wasn't important, tho :p | |
| 22:57 | <cyberorg> Ryan52, could you also commit it if everything is in order
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| 22:58 | <Ryan52> cyberorg, ya, I'll look.
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| 22:58 | <cyberorg> Ryan52, thanks :)
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| 22:58 | <warren> Ryan52: I wanted a way for ltsp-client-launch to kill its children if it itself is killed.
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| 22:58 | Ryan52: since its children are launched with &
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| 23:00 | Ryan52: did you already sign the CLA?
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| 23:00 | Ryan52: (remember of cla_done group?)
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| 23:00 | <Ryan52> yes, I did.
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| 23:00 | (I think)
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| 23:00 | <warren> Ryan52: ok, I'm adding you as a packager, with co-ownership on ltsp, ltspfs, ldm and mkdst
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| 23:00 | <Ryan52> yep, I did.
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| 23:00 | okay, uhhh, why would I remove all unapproved people?
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| 23:01 | I'll do it, but I prefer to understand what I'm doing when I act as a puppet. :p
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| 23:01 | <warren> Ryan52: they shouldn't be there and I just want you to use our account system a bit. Part of the UI sucks.
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| 23:01 | but you should become familiar with it
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| 23:02 | <Shrek> join kiwi-ltsp
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| 23:03 | <warren> I respectfully decline.
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| 23:03 | Ryan52: do you have a red hat bugzilla account?
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| 23:03 | Ryan52: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ Please create an account using the same e-mail address as your fedora account.
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| 23:04 | Ryan52: you'll be auto-CC on only LTSP bugs.
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| 23:04 | <Ryan52> yes, I do.
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| 23:04 | same email address.
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| 23:04 | unless it's case sensitive, in which case, I'd have to check.
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| 23:05 | <warren> not case sensitive
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| 23:06 | <Ryan52> ok.
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| 23:08 | <warren> oh, I can't actually add you, you need to apply yourself
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| 23:08 | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/mkdst
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| 23:08 | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/ltsp
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| 23:08 | https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/ltspfs
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| 23:08 | <Ryan52> oh, crap, now I have to learn how to use CVS, huh?
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| 23:08 | <warren> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/ldm
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| 23:08 | Ryan52: it isn't difficult
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| 23:09 | <Ryan52> I know.
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| 23:09 | <warren> Ryan52: watchbugzilla watchcommits commit
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| 23:09 | Ryan52: request this on Fedora 9, 10 and devel
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| 23:10 | <johnny> it just sucks :(
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| 23:10 | poor cvs..
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| 23:10 | <warren> johnny: our workflow wouldn't benefit from a better VCS. We want to completely redesign the workflow before switching.
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| 23:11 | switching without changing the workflow is a lot of work with little gain
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| 23:11 | <Ryan52> Not able to create acl commit for 106278 on 45477
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| 23:11 | hrm..
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| 23:12 | <warren> Ryan52: huh?
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| 23:12 | Ryan52: pkgdb interface error?
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| 23:12 | <Ryan52> that page was giving me alert('');s
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| 23:12 | tried again, and it worked.
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| 23:13 | wth is up with this interfaces sorting method? "devel, 8, 7, 9, 10"..
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| 23:14 | <Ryan52> anyway, I clicked all the buttons you told me to, I think :)
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| 23:14 | <warren> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/ltsp-utils
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| 23:14 | what the heck is this...
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| 23:14 | I never seen this before.
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| 23:14 | probably need to get it removed
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| 23:14 | <Ryan52> heh
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| 23:15 | <johnny> drop it.. it's ltsp4
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| 23:16 | <Ryan52> yay! lets see how full we can get Ryan52's inbox to be! :)
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| 23:19 | <warren> hmm, I need to add something to ltsp.spec to completely eliminate ltsp-utils
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| 23:19 | people shouldn't try to run that
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| 23:19 | <Shingoshi> Could someone tell me how LTSP might work in an example like this, where more than one OS is being used: http://lsbr.niams.nih.gov/bsoft/bsoft_distproc.html
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| 23:22 | Would the LTSP only be responsible for serving the Linux portion in this example?
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| 23:22 | <johnny> usually ltsp is focused on running things remotely, not locally.. so not really related..
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| 23:22 | <Ryan52> warren, so anyway...now that my mutt has frozen...what do I do now?
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| 23:22 | <johnny> at that point.. you could do any old network boot
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| 23:23 | <warren> Ryan52: huh? this killed your mutt?
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| 23:23 | <Ryan52> froze (temporarily). it'll come back..
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| 23:23 | <Shingoshi> You could call the pound and have your mutt disposed of?
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| 23:23 | lol
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| 23:25 | <warren> Ryan52: ok, you might need to do the pkg work from your fedora box with your ssh key copied there
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| 23:25 | Ryan52: this is entirely untested on debian even if it has the same commands
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| 23:25 | <Ryan52> oh, I should put that system's ssh key into the system..
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| 23:25 | <warren> Ryan52: we will have to wait an hour or two for all permissions to propagate, so we might as well continue this tomorrow.
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| 23:26 | Ryan52: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join
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| 23:26 | Ryan52: do the steps under "Install the Client Tools (Koji)"
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| 23:27 | Ryan52: "You'll also need to generate a client side certificate."
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| 23:27 | Ryan52: just follow the directions
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| 23:28 | Ryan52: the CVS part with your account will begin working in an hour or two
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| 23:28 | Ryan52: i need to sleep soon, so we'll continue tomorrow.
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| 23:28 | <Ryan52> ok.
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| 23:31 | <warren> hmm, I'm noticing fedora specific TODO items that I wrote to myself a year ago
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| 23:32 | yeah, I need to split stuff out of ltsp-client-launch to run earlier in the boot process...
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| 23:32 | to make it behave better with upstart
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| 23:33 | * warren will do this tomorrow. | |
| 23:33 | <warren> Ryan52: let me know if there is anything else in fedora you are interested in.
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| 23:36 | <Ryan52> not atm, afaik. :p
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| 23:37 | <warren> hmm
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| 23:37 | trap "command" TERM seemed to have worked
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| 23:37 | <Ryan52> yay! :)
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| 23:38 | <warren> Ryan52: thanks, that helped a LOT
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| 23:39 | teardown() {
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| 23:39 | killall -g screen_session pulseaudio ldm ltspfsd
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| 23:39 | }
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| 23:39 | trap "teardown" TERM
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| 23:39 | hmm, also "jetpipe"?
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| 23:40 | <Ryan52> SSL peer was unable to negotiate an acceptable set of security parameters.
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| 23:40 | from koji's login (I think that's where I'm sposed to be :p)
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| 23:41 | ohhhhhhh. :p
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| 23:41 | nevermind, I should be in Firefox.
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| 23:41 | warren, do I really need a GUI to do stuff?
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| 23:41 | <warren> Ryan52: no. I almost never use firefox for koji.
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| 23:41 | Ryan52: it is an option
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| 23:41 | Ryan52: you can do all koji things through the koji command
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| 23:42 | hmm
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| 23:42 | <Ryan52> then why is this fedora-packager-setup thing telling me to do into firefox? do I need to do that?
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| 23:42 | <warren> configure_swap will attempt to swapon again if it runs again
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| 23:42 | I can't think of a good way for it to know it shouldn't run again.
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| 23:42 | Ryan52: you don't need to do the firefox part
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| 23:43 | Ryan52: doesn't hurt though
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| 23:44 | * Ryan52 nods | |
| 23:44 | <Ryan52> so then I don't need to do anything more?
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| 23:46 | <warren> I think...
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| 23:46 | I really can't think now
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| 23:46 | johnny: does Gentoo use ltsp-client-launch?
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| 23:46 | cyberorg: does opensuse use ltsp-client-launch?
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| 23:47 | <johnny> no
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| 23:47 | we both use the debian one
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| 23:47 | <warren> opensuse uses debian's one?
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| 23:47 | <johnny> altho my copy has stuff i stole from ltsp client launch
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| 23:48 | the tftp stuff
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| 23:48 | <warren> I guess debian's one might be without the debianisms
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| 23:48 | <cyberorg> warren, ours is based on ubuntus
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| 23:48 | <warren> I wrote my own becaues it was too painful to generalize it back then
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| 23:48 | <johnny> warren, yeah.. we just have local copies that are almost the same
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| 23:48 | <warren> I'm going to split ltsp-client-launch into a two step process like Debian's script next.
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| 23:48 | <johnny> warren, i'd like to see a upstart specific one at some point
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| 23:49 | the new style.. non backwards compatible..
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| 23:49 | <warren> johnny: oh I remember, fedora handles runlevel and X in a different way from debian, the primary reason why I didn't use their initscripts.
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| 23:49 | <johnny> so do we
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| 23:49 | but i still kept the same code anyways
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| 23:49 | openrc is dependency based (since years)
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| 23:50 | <cyberorg> warren, https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/trunk/suse-ltsp-client/etc/init.d/ltsp-client.init?revision=378&view=markup
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| 23:50 | very few lines in there
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| 23:50 | <johnny> the /etc/rc.* dirs are are unnecessary
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| 23:50 | it is quite nice.. altho upstart seems to finally offer the same thing
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| 23:50 | <warren> johnny: debian's script would work for me, but I rather run X in a fedora way (prefdm) and not a service
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| 23:50 | <johnny> i think i might try to play around with forcing upstart on ltsp
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| 23:51 | in the chroot
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| 23:51 | instead of openrc
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| 23:51 | <warren> We don't launch X from an init.d script
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| 23:51 | like Debian
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| 23:51 | <johnny> where do you do it?
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| 23:52 | <warren> johnny: runlevel 5 is network with graphical login mode. (same thing as runlevel 3, which is network but no X)
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| 23:52 | johnny: /etc/event.d/prefdm runs only in runlevel 5
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| 23:55 | <johnny> but you still have the silly /etc/rc.* directories..
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