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Channel log from 24 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:02 | <xrashad> can anyone help me for setting up sound & USB on client side?
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| 01:03 | <vagrantc> xrashad: which linux distro ?
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| 01:03 | <xrashad> ubuntu
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| 01:03 | <vagrantc> feisty ?
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| 01:03 | <xrashad> dapper drake
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| 01:03 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 01:04 | local devices wasn't really added until edgy. not sure what the sound support was like for dapper.
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| 01:04 | <xrashad> LTS 6.06 Desktop
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| 01:04 | what you recommend
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| 01:04 | <vagrantc> !ubuntu
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| 01:04 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 01:05 | <xrashad> not ubuntu?
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| 01:05 | <vagrantc> i wouldn't recommend using anything older than feisty
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| 01:05 | ubuntu 7.04+
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| 01:06 | <xrashad> I can use any linux distro
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| 01:06 | which distro has best USB & sound support?
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| 01:07 | <vagrantc> ubuntu feisty 7.04
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| 01:08 | <xrashad> thank you a lot
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| 01:10 | <vagrantc> usually, i'm not one to advocate for best distro of anything ... but debian has lagged behind in that regard, and there aren't any other distros with LTSP5
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| 01:16 | <vagrantc> xrashad: though ubuntu 7.10 will probably be released within a month or so
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| 01:16 | xrashad: you might want to try that instead
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| 01:16 | <xrashad> sure
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| 01:17 | <vagrantc> i've been working on backports of newer stuff for debian stable, but some things still don't work on debian etch ...
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| 01:19 | <xrashad> which ubuntu edition is recommended for ltsp server: desktop or server?
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| 01:21 | <vagrantc> desktop
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| 01:21 | LTSP is essentially a "desktop server" ... so it really needs all the desktop stuff
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| 01:24 | <xrashad> I also think so, but ubuntulinux sites opinion is different
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| 01:29 | <vagrantc> well, edubuntu server includes all the stuff you need.
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| 01:30 | in any case, you get install it on either. it's just a matter of how much extra stuff you'll need to download.
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| 01:30 | the easiest way to get LTSP5 installed is edubuntu server
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| 01:42 | <vagrantc> well, that's the first time i've ever been sucessful with gimp.
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| 01:43 | managed to clean up the debian theme for ldm, and created an ldm theme for ltsp.org as well :)
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| 08:01 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:03 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:03 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:48 | <jammcq> g'morning kidz
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| 08:48 | <ogra> hey hey
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> Morning jammcq
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| 08:53 | <elisboa> morning
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| 09:08 | <cliebow_> jammcwq:??
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| 09:08 | jammcq:??
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| 09:09 | <jammcq> hey cliebow_
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| 09:09 | <cliebow_> jammcq:jusy is out on the Seawall in November..i'll know bwtter in a week
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| 09:10 | Balls!
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| 09:10 | David Lloyd my have to go to Montana for a spell
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| 09:11 | <jammcq> ok.... what does that mean to us?
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| 09:12 | <cliebow_> ill know bwtter then end of this week..In the meantime thinking of what might be an alternatove
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| 09:12 | <jammcq> would his place be shut down while he's away?
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| 09:12 | <cliebow_> How many rooms might we be needing
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> umm, maybe 5 rooms
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| 09:13 | <cliebow_> that was the iumpression i got ..yes
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| 09:13 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 09:13 | we're talking saturday-monday
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| 09:13 | <cliebow_> do we need the "boardroom"..the restaurant part?
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| 09:14 | <jammcq> well, it would be nice to have a place to *BE*
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| 09:15 | <cliebow_> ok...ill do some digging and let you know..
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| 09:15 | we'd only need one piece of the dining room in Seawall right?
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| 09:16 | <ogra> jammcq, i talked to jcastro btw, he brings his car
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| 09:16 | <cliebow_> ogra: to Boston?
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| 09:17 | <jammcq> ogra: yeah, we chatted about that. looks like the plans are coming together
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| 09:17 | <ogra> cliebow, yes, since we only have 1.5 days and need to be back to boston for the next conference
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| 09:18 | <cliebow_> jammcq: so we need Sat and Sunday night?
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 09:19 | well, some of the guys won't need sunday night
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| 09:19 | <cliebow_> k..feel free to kick dlloyd in the shins yourself if you want to...
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| 09:19 | <ogra> we need to be abck in boston on sun at 5pm
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| 09:19 | *back
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| 09:20 | <jammcq> ogra: yeah, jorge will take care of that
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| 09:20 | <ogra> yup
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| 09:25 | <peter_> hey there, don't know if anyone can help me - im setting up a thin client server using kubuntu feisty. i have a neoware thin client. everythign seems to work, except the graphical login screen just doesnt show up. if i ctrl-alt-f1, i get to a login prompt, but it doesnt accept a login. any ideas?
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| 09:25 | thanks!
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| 09:27 | <cliebow_> peter_:ogra was here a sec ago..
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| 09:27 | <elisboa> peter_: first of all: if the graphical login screen doesn't work, then you need to set the X11 configuration
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| 09:27 | <peter_> where?
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| 09:28 | and what will i need to do? maybe add more resolutions?
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| 09:28 | just wth dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or something?
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| 09:29 | <cliebow_> peter_:you "could"create an lts.conf..but we are not sure your rootfs is mountesd and all that
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| 09:29 | <peter_> :) any way to tell?
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| 09:29 | <sbalneav> peter_: First thing I'd do is try to put XSERVER=vesa in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 09:29 | <peter_> ok, thanks :) one sec...
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| 09:30 | <cliebow_> sbalneav: should say [default]as well?
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| 09:31 | <sbalneav> Well, either for that particular client, or [Default] if you've only got the one.
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| 09:31 | <peter_> yeah it says that
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| 09:31 | wow is it possible to load differnet settings for different clients now?
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| 09:31 | <cliebow_> always has beren
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| 09:32 | <peter_> wow :) i never knew... how do you differnetiate? mac address?
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| 09:32 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 09:32 | <cliebow_> yep..or ip..or name if it is clear
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| 09:32 | <peter_> thats damn cool
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| 09:32 | <cliebow_> wehat its hostname is
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| 09:32 | <sbalneav> [00:00:DE:AD:BE:EF]
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| 09:32 | XSERVER=vesa
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| 09:32 | <cliebow_> [192.168.0.67]
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| 09:32 | <rjune_> howdy guys
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| 09:32 | <sbalneav> substitude for mac address of the client.
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| 09:33 | <peter_> ive only got the one at the mo. its booting...
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| 09:33 | <cliebow_> [[iberockin]
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| 09:33 | <sbalneav> the hostip or name only works properly if you have assigned hostnames in dhcp. if you've just got random ip's being handed out, use the mac address.
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| 09:34 | <peter_> hmm ok i updated the config file, and im getting the same thing, just a blinking cursor
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| 09:34 | the kubuntu loading screen works fine, btu then just teh cursor
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> otherwise if dhcp hands out a different ip address to a client, your custom settings will get sent to a different box.
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| 09:34 | <peter_> ah, good to know. at the moment its just on random addresses, and i hav 1 box so ill just put it on default :)
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| 09:36 | sbalneav: so... no gui still, anything else i can try?
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| 09:40 | <cliebow_> peter_:do you know what video card??
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| 09:41 | <peter_> cliebow: hmm, no. its a neoware thin client
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| 09:41 | cliebow_: i will google ti quick
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| 09:41 | <cliebow_> k
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| 09:43 | it seems you are far enough along to get a login on the client..is so y6ou can get a pci id with lspci
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| 09:44 | <sbalneav> You can set a root password in the chroot...
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| 09:44 | !localdev
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| 09:44 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 09:45 | <sbalneav> Take a look at link #4 there, and follow the procedure for setting the password in the chroot
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| 09:45 | <peter_> ok
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| 09:45 | <sbalneav> then you can log into the client as root on ctl-alt-f1, and do an lspci.
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| 09:45 | and tell us what kind of video card it in it.
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| 09:45 | Also, how much ram, etc.
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> morning fgiraldeau
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| 09:46 | <fgiraldeau> hi there
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| 09:46 | sbalneav: Hope you're fine
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| 09:46 | <peter_> cyrix 5530 video
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| 09:46 | <sbalneav> Doin' ok.
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| 09:48 | peter_: Well, you've got 3 choices for cirrus
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| 09:48 | <cliebow_> peter_ i always used xserver=nsc for cyrix
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| 09:48 | in 4.1/2
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| 09:49 | <peter_> and 128m ram i think
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| 09:49 | ok :)
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| 09:49 | <sbalneav> whoops, sorry, not cirrus, cyrix
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| 09:49 | yeah, try setting XSERVER=nsc
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| 09:50 | <peter_> k
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| 09:52 | <vagrantc> otavio: i fixed a couple more bugs already ...
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| 09:53 | <peter_> sbalneav: same thing, any other options i can try?
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| 09:53 | sbalneav: ive just noticed it has 1 PCI slot, so if all else fails...
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| 09:54 | <cliebow_> peter:there is a cyrix driver (i think)..i never had any luck with it..
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| 09:55 | <peter_> cliebow_: just called cyrix? ill try
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| 09:56 | <cliebow_> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/
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| 09:56 | thay is gutsy's path
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| 09:57 | <peter_> cliebow_: so what do i put in my lts.conf?
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| 09:59 | <cliebow_> XSERVER=cyrix i think
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| 09:59 | i have little fsityh
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| 09:59 | heh
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| 09:59 | faith
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| 09:59 | <peter_> cliebow_: boo, just tried that and no luck, looks like cheap video card time
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| 09:59 | <cliebow_> i dont know if the old wiki has anything..hang a sec
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| 10:00 | <peter_> not a good sign that vesa doesnt work really...
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| 10:00 | <cliebow_> cyrix is an odd duck
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| 10:00 | <sbalneav> How many of these neoware clients do you have?
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| 10:00 | <peter_> never heard of it before...
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| 10:00 | just the one :)
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| 10:01 | <cliebow_> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/VideoCards#Specific_card_settings
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| 10:01 | you may find a nugget there from ther geode cards
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| 10:01 | <peter_> just setting it up as an extra office machine for my parents - i set up a fair fre LTSP networks though so sorta wanted to test premade ones as well, ya know how it is ;) normally cannibalise them out of other comptuers
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| 10:05 | thanks for that page. ill fiddle around but ill prob justg et a cheap gfx card, save me a lot of hair tearing
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| 10:05 | any gfx card makes particulaly reccomended?
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| 10:06 | <cliebow_> yeah i cant believe we cant get a working config...any way to flash boot the sucker to slax or anything??
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so, i made an ltsp.org theme for LDM :)
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| 10:07 | <peter_> cliebow_: heh, that went over me a bit :)
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| 10:07 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Cool!
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| 10:07 | In your tree?
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| 10:09 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it's in my main branch: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/vagrant-main
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| 10:10 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: basically, just grabbed the LTSP.org logo off the website, and gave it a blue-ish background.
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| 10:10 | sbalneav: i'm overall quite pleased with it
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| 10:10 | <sbalneav> Sweet
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| 10:10 | Thanks!
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| 10:11 | <peter__> whoops pressed the wrong button, heheh
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| 10:12 | is there anything worth trying apart from nsc and cyrix driver wise?
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| 10:12 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: might be more appropriate as an example for ltsp.org than the current ubuntu theme :)
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| 10:16 | sbalneav: but like otavio said, i think we should split ldm into it's own source package, and split the themes into a separate package.
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| 10:29 | <peter__> bah, i give up, haha
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| 10:40 | <otavio> vagrantc: I've uploaded it
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| 10:40 | vagrantc: but you can prepare another upload if want to
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc> otavio: well, i'll wait a bit. it's just some fixed themes and such :)
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| 10:43 | <otavio> vagrantc: feel free to make it if you want
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| 10:44 | <otavio> vagrantc: no problem et all
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| 10:57 | * vagrantc impatiently waits for the upload to hit incoming | |
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| 11:13 | <joebake1> Are the 3d effects Compvis starting to work on LTSP thin clients in Gutsy?
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| 11:13 | Under Ubuntu...
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> joebake1: Well, we don't disable them, so if compiz supports the x server on the thin client, it should work.
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| 11:18 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so, how do you enable multiple servers in LDM2 ?
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| 11:19 | <sbalneav> Well, one of two ways
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| 11:19 | Well, same way, actually...
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| 11:20 | Either set LDM_SERVER="host1 host2 host3" etc.
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| 11:20 | or create a shell script called... (looks)
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| 11:20 | /usr/lib/ltsp/get_hosts
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| 11:21 | that returns a space separated list of hostnames/ips
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| 11:21 | The script is so you can randomize/put in least busy order, etc.
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| 11:25 | <vagrantc> if it's a script that the admin creates, it belongs in /etc
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| 11:26 | sbalneav: but is there a drop-down menu for it? or is that still unimplemented ?
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| 11:26 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: actually, why not just have it be a lts.conf setting pointing to the script ?
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| 11:31 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: yes, in the greeter, under "hosts"
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hmm...
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| 11:32 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Yeah, probably should be.
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| 11:32 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so ... i set LDM_SERVER=foo bar in lts.conf ... but no menu item for hosts ... both appear in ssh_known_hosts
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| 11:33 | <sbalneav> using hostnames or ip addresses?
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| 11:33 | <vagrantc> ip addresses
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| 11:33 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> this is code based off of ubuntu's 5.0.31
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> and i haven't tinkered with ldm at all, really.
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| 11:34 | <sbalneav> is ldminfod running on both?
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> yup.
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| 11:34 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 11:34 | <vagrantc> well ... here's a confession... it's two ip addresses for the same machine ...
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| 11:35 | is ldm so smart that it figures that out ?
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> Well, I can' see why that wouldn't work. Check in /tmp/ldm on the thin client. There a file for each one of the hosts?
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> can't
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| 11:36 | * vagrantc grumbles about insecure use of /tmp | |
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| 11:38 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: well, i've filed patches dozens of other times ... it's the same problem every time.
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| 11:38 | <sbalneav> So, where do you want me to put it? /var/run?
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| 11:39 | <vagrantc> it essentially equates to: if you use /tmp, use mktemp or tempdir or some equivalent functionality ... and if you need a static namespace, use /var/run or something
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| 11:39 | <sbalneav> Does it actually matter on a thin client? Or are you just arguing on principle?
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| 11:41 | <vagrantc> if we are ever going to support fat clients/diskless workstations, it matters.
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| 11:41 | and some people already use them.
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| 11:42 | * jammcq thinks we need to always think of thin clients just like any other linux box. after all, we want thin client users to get the same functionality | |
| 11:42 | * vagrantc emphatically agrees with jammcq | |
| 11:42 | <jammcq> emphatically? cool :)
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| 11:44 | * sbalneav shrugs | |
| 11:44 | <sbalneav> Since /tmp and /var/run are, essentially scribble space, I tend to treat them the same.
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> /tmp is insecure in that any user can write to it...
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| 11:46 | <jammcq> but if we follow the rules, then it'll make it easier later, for the local apps and fat-client stuff
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> so ... i could create a file ... /tmp/ldm which is a symlink to something i own ...
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| 11:46 | <sbalneav> I'll ask ogra if we can make that big of a change this close to release.
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| 11:46 | <jammcq> heh, good luck
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| 11:46 | I'd say release it as is, and fix it for gutsy+1
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 11:46 | <sbalneav> if yes, I'll make it right away, if not, I'll delay it 'till gutsy + 1
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> and keep it in mind in the future
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| 11:47 | * sbalneav rolls eyes | |
| 11:48 | <jammcq> why, you got rolling eye syndrome or something?
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| 11:48 | <sbalneav> Remember when we said that we'd keep doing this while it was fun? It's rapidly loosing the fun factor.
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| 11:48 | * jammcq doesn't understand the problem | |
| 11:50 | <vagrantc> so ... /tmp/ldm contains an ip address that's not either of the IP addresses listed in LDM_SERVER
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| 11:50 | ah ...
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| 11:50 | because there's no routing
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| 11:51 | * jammcq remembers the good ole days of routed | |
| 11:51 | * vagrantc had a stint with gated | |
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| 11:55 | <jammcq> see ya'll later
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| 11:55 | <vagrantc> have fun
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| 11:55 | <jammcq> always
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| 11:55 | wouldn't have it any other way
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| 11:57 | <staffencasa> What would the error message "*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Connection refused" in .xsession-errors mean?
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| 11:59 | <ogra> that your vlient has no recognized sound hw
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| 11:59 | *client
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| 12:00 | <staffencasa> I don't need sound, is there a way to disable it so I don't get this error?
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| 12:00 | disable the check, not the hw
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| 12:01 | <ogra> SOUND=false in your lts.conf
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| 12:01 | <staffencasa> sweet, thanks
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| 12:07 | <peter__> hey does anyone have any idea about cyrix drivers? ive got a neoware eon here i cant get the gui to load :( tried a few diff driver options but nothing works... tried earlier but wondered if anyone else has an idea :D
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| 12:33 | <masus> vagrantc are u there ?
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> masus: just ask your question, and someone will answer if they can
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| 12:35 | <masus> yes i know but almost u are answer :)
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| 12:35 | is it not possible to give the ltsp-clients an virtual ip
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| 12:35 | for squid
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> not unless you do fat clients
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| 12:36 | <masus> fat clients ?
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| 12:36 | normal clients
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> where all of the applications are running on the thin-client itself
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| 12:36 | but it still uses a remote filesystem for /
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| 12:37 | <masus> nop i do not want that
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| 12:38 | :S
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| 12:39 | how many ltsp-clients can connect from 100/10 mb ethernet ..
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| 12:39 | at the same time
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| 12:40 | do u have test it
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| 12:41 | <Guaraldo> masus: We have a client thar one gigabit Ethernet you can connect 100 clients with no problem...
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| 12:42 | <masus> hmmm ok
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| 12:42 | <Guaraldo> masus: I realy don't know how many clients can connect to a simple 10/100 Mb ethernet...
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| 12:43 | masus: Maybe near of 30, I think...
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| 12:43 | <masus> Guaraldo thanks
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc> masus: see, other people can answer :)
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| 12:44 | <Guaraldo> masus: u r welcome
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| 12:44 | <masus> :)
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| 12:45 | i have so much questions , u can't belive :D
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| 12:45 | not only ltsp , have to learn much
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| 12:46 | <masus> can u give me a link or documantation for audio ?
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc> masus: were you using debian lenny ?
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| 12:49 | <masus> debian etch
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| 12:55 | <vagrantc_> masus: were you using debian lenny ?
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| 12:55 | masus: http://dev.freegeek.org/projects/vagrant/browser/vagrant-main/debian/doc/README.Debian.sound
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| 12:55 | might work with etch, too ... not sure.
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| 12:55 | <sbalneav> masus: I have one server that has 52 on 10/100 switches.
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| 13:00 | <masus> thanks
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| 13:00 | i'll see
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| 13:00 | sbalneav: thanks
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| 13:13 | <wwallace> nice
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| 13:13 | hello to all
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| 13:13 | i come in peace
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| 13:13 | :)
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| 13:17 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 13:21 | <vagrantc_> sbalneav: would it be complicated to use a lts.conf variable to use a different LDM theme ?
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| 13:21 | or is that defined at build time ?
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| 13:22 | <sbalneav> Ummm
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| 13:22 | * vagrantc_ don't read C real well | |
| 13:22 | <sbalneav> it's in the greeter... one sec
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc_> oh, take as many seconds as you need :)
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> Well, a big chunk of the greeter was initially done by ogra, who basically transliterated the older python one into C, then I expanded it into the scriptable-greeter + extra menus + etc. So My gtk-fu is limited. That having been said...
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| 13:27 | I'm assuming the theme's settable via the standard "update-alternatives" method
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc_> definitely is
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> So, why don't we have something in -core or -init that we specify the theme, and it does an update-alternatives on the fly?
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc_> but that doesn't allow to set different themes on a per-thin-client basis
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| 13:28 | er
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| 13:29 | well, that would
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> Does that make sense?
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc_> yes ... though it's a little cumbersome when not using unionfs
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> ah, right.
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| 13:29 | ummm
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc_> not a huge priority, but it's been in the back of my mind for a while now
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| 13:30 | <sbalneav> ok, then we need to do something along the lines of editing the gtkrc file that it loads.
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| 13:30 | since the pointer to the theme's in there.
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc_> it's not a variable we can easily change at run-time ?
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| 13:31 | * vagrantc_ exudes cluelessness | |
| 13:31 | <sbalneav> Well, see what it does is load:
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| 13:31 | gtk_rc_add_default_file(GTKRC_DIR "/greeter-gtkrc");
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| 13:31 | and the theme stuff's in there
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc_> yeah, saw that ...
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> and it points to the alternatives.
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| 13:32 | now, if we were willing to have multiple greeter-gtkrc files
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| 13:32 | one for each theme
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc_> we do
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| 13:32 | GTKRC_DIR, as i understand it, points to /usr/share/ldm/themes/default
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> Ah, I thought the gtkrc file was linked around as well.
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| 13:33 | Well, then it's just a case of overriding GTKRC_DIR
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc_> yeah, i just didn't know if that was a variable or what
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc_> sbalneav: GTKRC_DIR is specified in the Makefile.*
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| 13:36 | <vagrantc_> which is why i wondered if it was hard-coded
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc_> also would have to do the same for PIXMAPS_DIR
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| 13:38 | though this is just a feature request ... maybe i could stumble my way through the C required
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| 13:43 | <cliebow_> wwallace:dont you know peace is a dirty word ..
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| 13:44 | <cyberorg> ln -s can be done on the fly when booting to get whatever theme required
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| 13:45 | <cyberorg> isn't that what alternatives is doing?
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| 13:45 | <vagrantc_> cyberorg: well, presuming your filesystem is writeable
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| 13:45 | although ...
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| 13:45 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, yeah it is if we use nbd, for nfs we would have to add more bind mounts
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| 13:46 | <vagrantc_> /etc/alternatives is all symlinks ... so wouldn't consume a lot of ram
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| 13:48 | <vagrantc_> i still like the idea of implementing in ldm itself, but update-alternatives actually would work out ok
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> Sorry, workpinged.
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| 13:51 | Yeah, it woudn't be that hard to default to the makefile hardcodes, but override with env variables if present.
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| 13:52 | <vagrantc_> maybe i could try and write it, using my fine cargo-cult C programming skills
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| 13:54 | <sbalneav> Well, right now, since it's statically defined GTKRC_DIR, the string works out to be "/blah" "/foo", which the c preprocessor turns unto "/blah/foo"
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| 13:54 | What we'd have to do is something along the following:
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| 13:54 | char gtkrc_path[MAXPATH];
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| 13:55 | char *env_override;
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| 13:55 | env_override = getenv("LTSP_THEME_WHATEVER")
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| 13:55 | if (env_override)
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| 13:56 | sprintf(gtkrc_path, "%s/greeter-gtkrc", env_override)
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| 13:56 | else
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| 13:56 | sprintf(gtkrc_path, "%s/greeter-gtkrc", GTKRC_DIR)
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| 13:57 | gtk_rc_add_default_file(gktrc_path);
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| 13:57 | That's off the top of my head.
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc_> looks promising
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> two sprintfs though.
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc_> and then something similar for the PIXMAP_DIR stuff ... which there's a lot more of
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| 13:57 | <sbalneav> one sec
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| 13:59 | env_override = getenv("LTSP_THEME_WHATEVER");
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| 13:59 | if (!env_override) env_override = GTKRC_DIR;
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| 13:59 | sprintf(gtkrc_path, "%s/greeter-gtkrc", env_override);
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| 13:59 | Hm
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| 13:59 | that didnt paste nicely.
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| 13:59 | anywho.
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| 13:59 | something like that.
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| 14:00 | and yeah, basically the same thing for the pixmap dir.
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> lol
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| 14:00 | * sbalneav keeps optimizing | |
| 14:01 | <sbalneav> sprintf(gtkrc_path, "%s/greeter-gtkrc", env_override ? env_override : GTKRC_DIR)
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| 14:01 | eliminate the if :)
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| 14:02 | there, now it's down to 2 more decls, and 2 extra lines of code :)
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| 14:02 | * vagrantc_ logs | |
| 14:04 | <vagrantc_> so, i've built debian packages with the shiny new LTSP.org and Debian themes: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/debian/experimental/ldm_5.0.31debian2~0.vagrant.0_i386.deb
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| 16:31 | <ogra> vagrantc, just change the link on the fly
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah, i've got scripts to handle that
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| 16:31 | ogra: but i still think it would be better to handle in ldm
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| 16:31 | <ogra> well, indeed and its trivial
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| 16:32 | <vagrantc> the bummer is you have to put /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives into tmpfs
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| 16:32 | which is about 120k on my test system
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| 16:33 | <ogra> gah
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| 16:33 | <vagrantc> so i like using alternatives for the default, but setting it in the code on the fly
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| 16:33 | <ogra> well, ubuntu is about done wrt chnages for gutsy ... feel free to go ahead :) i bet scott is bored soon with only testing and bugfixing :)
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> sounded like he already had a pretty good idea of what needed to be done.
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| 16:34 | <ogra> and the patch is really a three liner i guess :)
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> a little more than 3 lines, but not too bad.
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| 16:35 | <ogra> yeah, its C you need to initialize vars and free them etc
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| 16:35 | but the actual code shouldnt be more than 3 :)
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| 16:35 | <vagrantc> ah, got it
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| 16:36 | <ogra> read from env ... check if env var is set, replace theme path ...
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| 16:36 | profit :)
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| 16:36 | <vagrantc> exactly.
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| 16:37 | ogra: did you see otavio and me talked about splitting ldm themes into separate packages ? no sense stashing all those .png files into an arch: any packages ... should be arch: all
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| 16:37 | ogra: and we're also itchin for a separate source package for ldm ...
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| 16:38 | <ogra> sure, go ahead
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| 16:38 | <vagrantc> ok, good.
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| 16:38 | will try and implement it in debian the next few weeks.
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| 16:38 | <ogra> but make sure it has proper initscripts etc, so you can run it standalone :)
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| 16:38 | thats the main reason i held back with splitting it
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> ah.
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| 16:39 | well, that's not crazy-difficult.
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| 16:39 | <ogra> well, still a lot of work to do secure
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> actually, to get full "Pax Displayicus Managerius" compatibility is a bit of a pain in the arse.
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| 16:39 | <ogra> and without clashing with other DMs
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| 16:40 | right, thats my point
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> still, not insanely difficult.
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| 16:40 | <ogra> having a standalone ldm would make wlan images easier ....
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| 16:40 | well, that and some initramfs magic
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> still would be better off with freenx or something
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| 16:41 | <ogra> well, i wont write a freenx ltsp-build-client plugin :)
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 16:41 | <ogra> but writing an initramfs script and hook for wlan handling is easy :)
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> wlan ... meaning .. ?
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| 16:42 | debian-live has a "boot over http" thingy
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| 16:42 | <ogra> wireless minimal bootimage
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| 16:42 | <vagrantc> well, kernel and initramfs come from somewhere else ...
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| 16:43 | <ogra> right
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| 16:43 | <ogra> anyway, i'm off for today
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| 16:43 | <vagrantc> see ya
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| 16:45 | actually, you don't *have* to run ldm from init.d scripts ... i've just documented how to run it from /etc/inittab ... probably wouldn't be hard to do for upstart
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| 16:45 | there are plenty of packages that require manual configuration to work
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| 18:08 | <Shingoshi> http://userstyles.org/styles/3569
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| 18:48 | <lns> hey all, i just figured out a daunting problem with my compaq ipaq workstations (c500-810e) regarding the headphone jack sense... can anyone tell me how to store the current sound configuration on my ltsp client (ubuntu/feisty) so all the clients boot with it? The issue was that the headphone jack sense was turned off - I turned it on w/alsamixer..but when i reboot, it reverts to defaults.
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| 18:55 | boooo.... haha...help! ;)
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| 21:40 | <jammcq> hey kidz
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| 23:00 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 23:00 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 23:02 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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