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Channel log from 21 April 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:20 | <CrypTom> Hi, I'm running Ubuntu Hardy and executed ltsp-build-client, then I get the following error:
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| 02:20 | E: Couldn't find package xubuntu-artwork-usplash
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| 02:20 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 02:20 | what should I do now?
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| 02:52 | <FLOLO> hello
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| 03:52 | <laga> CrypTom: file a bug report in launchpad
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| 04:07 | <CrypTom> laga: ok
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| 04:18 | <primary> hiya how i make sure our terminals recognise usb devices, it would be great if it popup on their desktops
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| 04:18 | we use edubuntu 7.10
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| 04:22 | <laga> it should work out of the box
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| 04:24 | <primary> i know but it does not
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| 04:26 | so any tips
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| 04:26 | <laga> primary: wait for ogra, he knows everything
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| 04:28 | <primary> hi qfunk I still have the issue wrt resolution on amd terminals
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| 04:28 | is the new driver available yet
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| 05:09 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: it appears that LTSP scripts don't know about -geode. they only find -amd. can this be fixed?
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| 05:13 | ogra: X itself doesn't seem to know about either one. launching X on a standalone host without xorg.conf reverts to -vesa.
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| 05:51 | <jonkke> is there any way to publish some file to all users desktops? like in windows "all users/desktop" folder
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| 05:52 | i know i can make sript that copies it to everyones desktop, but that doesn't feel right choice.
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| 05:58 | <vlt> jonkke: I do it this way: A script creates a *symlink* to the file on every user's desktop and in /etc/skel/Desktop/ (for new users).
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| 06:00 | <jonkke> i thought something like that too. i just think that it's weird that linux don't have this kind functionality.
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| 06:09 | <vlt> jonkke: Yes, I thought that too several times. Now I think this is no linux issue but rather DE related.
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| 06:12 | <jonkke> DE related?
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| 06:16 | <vlt> jonkke: sorry, Desktop Environment.
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| 06:57 | <CrypTom> laga: under which project in launchpad?
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| 07:03 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, ltsp just uses what X -configure generates, our scripts are dumb sed replacers ....
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| 07:04 | <Nubae> I figured out what the busybox signal with can't create /rofs means.... It's cause I had my adsl router plugged straight into the hub... Even if dhcp is turned off on it, still interferes
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| 07:04 | amazing
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| 07:06 | so the RC setup as per ltspquickinstall works fine
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| 07:07 | <ogra> great
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| 07:07 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: odd. X fails to recognize -amd on a standalone workstation, but it works in LTSP. -geode works on neither one.
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| 07:09 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, a standalone workstation uses dexconf
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| 07:09 | <Q-FUNK> great, so instead of letting X do its job, we have this done 2 different wyas?
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| 07:10 | <ogra> we dropped using dpkg-recofigure with dexconf because it pulls the whole debconf db over the net which slows booting down majorly
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| 07:10 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 07:10 | so what you're saying is that dexconf doesn't know about -amd or -geode?
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| 07:10 | <ogra> either dexconf or something hardcoded in the dexconf script that gets called
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| 07:11 | *either debconf
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| 07:11 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 07:11 | <ogra> i would suspect the latter
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| 07:11 | dexconf is an evil beast
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| 07:15 | <Q-FUNK> (15:11:53) Q-FUNK: guys, could it be that dexconf doesn't know about -amd or -geode? launching without xorg.conf systematically reverts to -vesa.
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| 07:15 | (15:12:17) tjaalton: dexconf doesn't need to know
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| 07:15 | (15:12:26) tjaalton: it's the server
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| 07:15 | (15:12:54) Q-FUNK: server misses magic to pick -amd?
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| 07:15 | (15:12:59) tjaalton: yep
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| 07:15 | <ogra> why would it work with X -cofigure then ?
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| 07:16 | test it yourself :)
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| 07:16 | <Q-FUNK> beats me
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| 07:16 | Hardy's X doesn't have the amd vendor magic to associate the chip with the driver.
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| 07:17 | <ogra> Xorg -configure -novtswitch :1
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| 07:17 | that wil create an xorg.conf..new in ./
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| 07:19 | <Q-FUNK> can you come to #ubuntu-x ?
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| 07:20 | we're trying to eliminate all the possibilites, with tjaalton
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| 07:24 | <daduke> ogra: howdy! our users a really creative. Not only did they find the X auth bug, now one of them told me that you can stream on other ppl's thin clients. And indeed, if you enter a thin client's IP address in xmms' eSound plugin config you can redirect sound to that machine. bug or feature?
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| 07:44 | <nantes_geek> hi !
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| 07:45 | Q-FUNK: hi, [french] je suis revenu en ltsp 4.2 [/french]
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| 07:45 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 07:45 | ltsp 5 marche tjrs pas?
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| 07:45 | <nantes_geek> pas avec la mandriva
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| 07:45 | j'ai un affichage X
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| 07:46 | <ogra> daduke, neither ... its a fallout of using pulse as a plain esd drop in replacement you can restrict access to the server IP that would give you some restriction but not really solve the prob
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| 07:46 | <nantes_geek> mais un ctrl+alt+backspace fige
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| 07:52 | <daduke> ogra: we do not exactly consider it a 'problem', but the paranoid might flinch nonetheless. Far less severe than the X thing of course.
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| 07:53 | <ogra> with pulse as the backend its safer than esd ... but still uses the same setup
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| 07:53 | its a half hearted compromise that i'd like to solve at some point
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| 07:54 | * ogra is just writing an intrepid (8.10) spec for ltsp sound fixes that also includes proper capture support | |
| 07:55 | <ogra> the prob is rwally that pulse itself doesnt offer sufficient ways to lock down access here
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| 07:55 | we need to put something on top (like we do with teh mcookie for ltspfs)
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| 07:57 | <daduke> ogra: I see.
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| 07:59 | <cliebow> ogra:standalone 5.0.39 would not have most recent alternate dhcp params available?
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| 08:00 | <ogra> cliebow, nope, i dont think so
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| 08:01 | <cliebow> ok...ill go pxe
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| 08:02 | <ogra> cliebow, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/198356
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| 08:02 | <ogra> just merge that into your intramfs script in teh chroot and call ltsp-update-kernels
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| 08:03 | oh, and upate-initramfs -u chrooted before that ...
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| 08:03 | <cliebow> k..prob won't get to that anyway today..ill need some hand holding and am sure you are flat out
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| 08:03 | * cliebow cliebow copies/pastes | |
| 08:05 | <cliebow> cant seem to get out when eth0 is enabled..be back and forth...
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| 08:10 | <Q-FUNK> nantes_geek: je dois filer. on se reparle en soiree? tu seras ici?
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| 08:11 | <nantes_geek> Q-FUNK: pas sûr
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| 08:11 | Q-FUNK: sinon à demain ;)
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| 08:14 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 08:14 | a+ :)
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| 08:19 | <cliebow> asx
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| 08:25 | <Mikaku> is there a way to obtain the config-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 file? its corresponding LTSP kernel is downloadable and it works finely but the config file never has been made publicly available. :/
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| 08:27 | <cliebow> Mikaku, i believe it was includied in a 4.2 initrd-kit
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| 08:29 | <Mikaku> cliebow: 4.2 initrd-kit? where is that file?
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| 08:30 | <cliebow> lemme look in wiki.ltsp.org
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| 08:31 | <Mikaku> ok
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| 08:32 | <daduke> vagrantc: hi!
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| 08:32 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 08:33 | <cliebow> Mikaku, i cant come up with anything atm..if jammcq pops in he would know for sure..
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| 08:33 | <Mikaku> cliebow: thanks anyway
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| 08:34 | <cliebow> k..somewhere i have a hard copy..
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| 08:36 | Mikaku, Within the lbe/ltsp_kernel_kit directory is a .config file for a 2.6.16.1 kernel. Download the sources for that kernel from ftp.kernel.org.
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| 08:37 | <Mikaku> cliebow: yeah i know this, but the most recent config on there is 2.6.17.9 and it's a lot different of the 2.6.20.9
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| 08:37 | that's whay i requested for the 2.6.20.9
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| 08:38 | i dont know why it exists the 2.6.20.9 kernel but not its config file
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| 08:38 | maybe someone removed accidentally
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| 08:38 | <cliebow> umm..that is ltsp5?
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| 08:38 | <Mikaku> nop ... ltsp42 ;P
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| 08:39 | <cliebow> ill ask jammcq when i "see" him
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| 08:40 | * cliebow cliebow is strill using 2.6.16.1 | |
| 08:40 | <Mikaku> cliebow: yeah, maybe he still has this config file in his devel box and he forgot to upload it
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| 08:41 | cliebow: I'm using 2.6.20.9 and it works finely
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| 08:41 | <cliebow> ;-]
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| 08:43 | <nantes_geek> anyone knows what module i should use with a geode LX for sound ?
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| 08:44 | because i use cs5535audio and so i have a /dev/dsp but i hear nothing ...
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| 08:58 | <Mikaku> brb
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| 09:06 | <cliebow> ogra:serial mouse need an lts.conf entry
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| 09:06 | ?
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| 09:07 | <ogra> yes
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| 09:07 | <cliebow> k
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| 09:07 | <ogra> serial is undetectable without user interaction ....
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| 09:08 | (that would force a "wiggle your mouse" question on every boot ...
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| 09:08 | )
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| 09:08 | <cliebow> heh..i know i can at least do that ;-]
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| 09:13 | <cliebow> hmmm...password incorrect?
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| 09:22 | <warren> ogra: do you know specifically what kind of "acceleration" in newer adobe flash plugins is causing the network slowdown?
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| 09:23 | opengl?
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| 09:23 | threading?
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| 09:23 | <ogra> no iea what that gui option swiches, no
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| 09:23 | gimme the source and i'll tel you :P
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| 09:23 | <warren> there is a gui option?
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| 09:24 | <ogra> its only a gui option afaik
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| 09:24 | right click n a flash movie
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| 09:24 | its in the settings frm the context menu
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| 09:24 | <warren> oh "Enable hardware acceleration"
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| 09:24 | do you know what version introduced this slow down?
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| 09:25 | <ogra> but there seems to be no commandline or config file option for it
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| 09:25 | i just recently headr that fixes the slowdown, i have users moaning since gutsy
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| 09:25 | might be a general vers. 9.x thing
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| 09:26 | <warren> that checkbox *does* make it faster over the network?
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| 09:26 | ogra: does the latest Ubuntu use pulse by default?
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| 09:26 | <ogra> according to some users that have talked to me, yes
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| 09:27 | warren, we're still fiddling ...
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| 09:27 | <warren> that means you might turn it off?
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| 09:27 | <ogra> looks like we have a setup that forces dmix upon flash while using pulse for all the rest
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| 09:27 | <warren> wow
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| 09:27 | <ogra> not sure that wil make it in during the next two days though
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| 09:27 | <warren> but otherwise pusleaudio is default?
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| 09:27 | <ogra> yes
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| 09:28 | <warren> pulseaudio by default and ALSA is routed to pulse?
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| 09:28 | I'm trying to ask Adobe to release their ALSA sound output from their plugin into a tiny test app under a BSD license
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| 09:28 | so people can diagnose why it doesn't work with pulse ALSA
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| 09:28 | <ogra> no, pulse by default and everything not using gstreamer or pulse goes to dmix as i understood that
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| 09:28 | <warren> they did release it before, but it is old now.
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| 09:29 | oh.
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| 09:29 | <ogra> but i'm really not sure that wil make it in
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| 09:30 | its a proposed fix for the issue by an alsa upstream guy
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| 09:30 | <cliebow> Connection ":1.15" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file'
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| 09:30 | ?
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| 09:31 | <warren> the proposed fix forces dmix?
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| 09:31 | <ogra> cliebow, translation: "NM isnt allowed to run on thin clients"
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| 09:32 | warren, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888
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| 09:32 | read yourself :)
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| 09:32 | <cliebow> ohhhh..didnt know i was trying to use it 8~)
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| 09:41 | <warren> ogra: vagrantc: any other changes you think need to be done to mkdst? doing a bug fix release today.
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| 09:46 | <vagrantc> warren: there's a few features i'd like to work on *someday* but it's not high on my priority list...
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| 09:46 | <warren> ok
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| 09:46 | i'll tag it later today
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| 09:46 | <vagrantc> warren: so just run with it
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| 09:52 | <warren> ogra: vagrantc: how well audited is lbmount?
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| 09:53 | eharrison noticed this past weekend that we weren't setuiding it
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| 09:53 | our security guys will freak out adding a setuid binary now
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| 09:54 | <vagrantc> warren: i can't speak to how well audited it is
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| 09:54 | warren: i believe it's been audited by ubuntu's security team, but i don't know for sure.
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| 09:54 | <ogra> it has
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| 09:55 | <ogra> main inclusion in ubuntu means that i have to list s/guid binaries and that the package gets a full security team review
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| 09:57 | (as well as packaging, fhs etc reviews)
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| 10:02 | <vagrantc> warren: and no offense to eharrison, but i think i actually figured out that y'all needed it setuid root :)
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| 10:02 | <warren> vagrantc: oh ok.
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| 10:02 | vagrantc: thanks =)
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| 10:03 | <vagrantc> did a little troubleshooting with eharrison to figure that out...
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| 10:03 | and i could've sworn it was dejavu
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| 10:04 | i think we might have figured it out in the hackfest in portland a while back
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| 10:04 | <warren> vagrantc: so with the current ltspfs-trunk I need to plug my USB stick in before I login?
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| 10:04 | <vagrantc> warren: shouldn't have to
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| 10:05 | warren: it should kick in at both insertion time and login.
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| 10:05 | <warren> what would your udev changes enable then?
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| 10:05 | <ogra> auth
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> warren: cleanliness of code ... not starting ltspfsd and cdpinger from ltsp init scripts, but rather when the devices are present that actually need those features.
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| 10:06 | <ogra> oh, you are talking about different patches
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| 10:06 | <vagrantc> yes, those still haven't been applied
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| 10:06 | <ogra> i'm all for it
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| 10:07 | let daemons die :)
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| 10:08 | <vagrantc> i've gotten the code working, but i'm not confident it's good code.
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| 10:08 | <ogra> YAY !
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| 10:08 | ltspfs accepted (even without discussion, apart from the question why there is dpatch :) )
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| 10:08 | <cliebow> :-0
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| 10:09 | <ogra> and my fixes to the --kiosk plugin got in as well
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| 10:09 | * ogra dances | |
| 10:09 | <cliebow> Nice!!!
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| 10:09 | * cliebow cliebow slaps slapd.. | |
| 10:10 | <warren> brb
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| 10:10 | <cliebow> my authentication on this sandbox is afu
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| 10:10 | <vagrantc> ogra: i just committed your patch, tagged it, and uploaded to debian :)
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| 10:10 | <ogra> yay
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| 10:11 | <vagrantc> so we should be pretty well synced
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| 10:20 | <warren> vagrantc: ogra: ehrarison mentioned that ltspfs automounting works in fedora now, but no icon appears on the desktop
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| 10:20 | do you have any idea how that is supposed to work?
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| 10:22 | <ogra> warren, that will only work with gnome out of the box
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| 10:22 | <warren> using GNOME here
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| 10:22 | <ogra> gvfs ?
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| 10:22 | <warren> yeah
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| 10:22 | hm
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| 10:22 | mounts appear to not be working
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| 10:25 | <vagrantc> warren: hmmm... all i know is it "just works" on debian and ubuntu.
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| 10:25 | ogra's probably more familiar with the nitty-gritty details.
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| 10:28 | <warren> ah, I didn't install xorg-x11-utils
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| 10:28 | * warren is sure glad somebody named all of our X packages "xorg-x11" | |
| 10:28 | <warren> so we're ready for X12 any day now.
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| 10:28 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 10:29 | <ogra> warren, well, gvfs and gnomevfs both have an inotify monitor for /media and ususally show changes in that dir on the desktop if the user has read access
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc> i really was pushing for iceweasel-webbrowser when there was a renaming discussion.
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| 10:30 | <warren> oh, I wonder if it doesn't show changes there because we aren't authed with CK
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> this CK thing sounds like a pain. i mean, i guess it's supposed to fix lots of things... but ugh.
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| 10:37 | <ogra> its immature
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| 10:38 | <warren> and you incorporated a patch to sshd for an immature technology that upstream sshd had huge technical and license complaints?
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| 10:38 | =)
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| 10:39 | <ogra> a technology that we use all over the desktop (you too)
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| 10:40 | <warren> ooh
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| 10:40 | it mounted and popped up on my desktop
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| 10:40 | although it didn't work during login, had to do it after login
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| 10:41 | vagrantc: ogra: does the microphone work for your pulseaudio on clients as well?
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| 10:41 | <ogra> thats a delayed-mounter prob then
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| 10:41 | warren, nope
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| 10:42 | the config doesnt have any capture setup
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| 10:42 | so if it works, then only by accident
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| 10:42 | i have one usb headset where it works
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| 10:42 | matter of luck :)
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| 10:42 | <warren> sweet, auto-mount and network sound both work
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| 10:42 | <ogra> the sund setup needs a major overhaul, but forst pulse needs a proper auth mechanism we can use for that
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| 10:43 | ip based auth is totally moot if all your users come from the same ip
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| 10:43 | <warren> heh
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| 10:43 | <ogra> it needs to use LTSPFS_TOKEN :)
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| 10:43 | which we then need to rename :)
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc> warren: haven't tried the mic much, if at all
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| 10:47 | ogra: the cd-naming-regression had nothing to do with starting from udev :)
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| 10:47 | mainly because cdpinger isn't yet started from udev ...
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| 10:47 | <ogra> where does cdpinger get called from atm ?
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> one of the ltsp-client init scripts
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| 10:48 | <ogra> cdpinger takes the first argument as device name
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| 10:48 | hmm
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| 10:48 | right
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> ogra: not saying your patch is invalid, just the changelog entry describing it is a bit off
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| 10:49 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:50 | well, my patch is a workaround
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| 10:50 | the right fix should use numbering for the cdrom device
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| 10:50 | currently that only supports one builtin CD
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| 10:51 | (actually i dont think the code for suporting more worked at all anyway)
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| 11:21 | <warren> oh man the TK-3550 really stinks
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| 11:21 | <Q-FUNK> heh
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| 11:21 | warren: any sign from UPS?
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| 11:21 | <ogra> warren, you postpone the release ?
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| 11:21 | <warren> ogra: wasnt' me
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| 11:21 | Q-FUNK: did you find a tracking number?
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| 11:22 | <Q-FUNK> forgot to ask my secretary, sorry.
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| 11:22 | should be there soon, though
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| 11:22 | <warren> Q-FUNK: it could be delivered anytime during the day, and it takes a while to get from loading dock to our office
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| 11:22 | <Q-FUNK> ah
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| 11:34 | <laga> re
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| 12:22 | <Q-FUNK> bricode: would you mind coming over to #xorg-devel and following up on launchpad #214119 ? we're trying to determine how fast a cure is needed and which one works on Koolu hardware.
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| 12:22 | <bricode> Q-FUNK: Sure. Give me a second.
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| 12:25 | <Q-FUNK> bricode: thanks!
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| 12:34 | <mccann> hey folks
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| 12:36 | are you using pulseaudio to remote sound?
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| 12:38 | <warren> mccann: yeah, that's how it works on F-9, Debian, ubuntu, etc.
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| 12:38 | <mccann> thanks warren
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| 12:38 | <ogra> well, only as the backend (in case of ubuntu)
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| 12:38 | <warren> mccann: why?
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| 12:38 | <ogra> we use virtual alsa device through asoundrc
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| 12:38 | <mccann> just curious how you did sound and the wiki seems to be out of date
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| 12:38 | <ogra> (in the session)
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| 12:39 | <warren> mccann: ltsp.org is the worst place to look currently for documentation...
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| 12:39 | <ogra> which then connects to pulse on the clent, so apps in the session just need tio use alsa
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| 12:39 | <mccann> warren: is there a better place for docs?
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| 12:39 | <warren> mccann: nothing centralized
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| 12:39 | <mccann> np
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| 12:40 | <ogra> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/server.html
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| 12:41 | <ogra> thas the most detailed for ltsp5 atm i think
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| 12:41 | but rather aimed to users/admins, less to developers
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| 12:41 | <mccann> ogra: cool - thanks
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| 13:07 | <johnny> ogra, is gksu still being used where required?
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| 13:07 | in hardy
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| 13:07 | i'm subscribed to sabayon bugs in ubuntu, and one just came in the other day
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| 13:07 | i updated my ubuntu virtualbox, and the sabayon.desktop is missing gksu now
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| 13:07 | <ogra> only if its set in eh .desktop file
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| 13:08 | <johnny> it needs to be
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| 13:08 | somebody didn't update the previous patch to the src
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| 13:08 | for the deb
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| 13:08 | <ogra> tag the bug for 8.04.1 then
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| 13:09 | <johnny> it will not work at all atm tho?
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| 13:09 | <ogra> ah, well, gimme the bug number, i'll try my luck ... even though its very unlikely to get it through at this point
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| 13:10 | <johnny> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sabayon/+bug/219790
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| 13:10 | it just needs gksu prefixed
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| 13:10 | <ogra> thx
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| 13:10 | <johnny> how is it ever ok to put out a non working program? :(
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| 13:10 | <ogra> what about the xnest issue entioned there ?
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| 13:11 | *mentioned
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| 13:11 | <laga> johnny: you can't really postpone the release just for one tool :)
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| 13:11 | <johnny> laga, i didn't say postpone the release
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| 13:11 | i mean apply the fix
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| 13:11 | that makes it work
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| 13:11 | that is only 5 characters
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| 13:11 | gksu<space>
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| 13:12 | <laga> johnny: yeah, but the archives are frozen.
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| 13:12 | but i think they're not hard frozen yet
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| 13:12 | <johnny> might as well take it out of the release all together
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| 13:12 | <laga> at least i hope that, i'm preparing a feature freeze exception ;)
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| 13:12 | <ogra> no, but the queue is ful
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| 13:12 | <ogra> whats not pocessed by hard freeze and not on the RC blocker list wont get in
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| 13:13 | <laga> ogra: when is hard freeze?
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| 13:13 | <ogra> wed. i was told
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| 13:13 | but we'll start CD builds tomorrow very likely
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| 13:13 | <laga> ogra: wed morning or night?
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| 13:13 | <ogra> so everything that doesnt fix a CD blocker wont get in i guess
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| 13:14 | tomorrow rather
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| 13:14 | <laga> ugh
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| 13:15 | <ogra> laga, your prob wont be the upload, be sure ... your prob wil rather be to find someone to look at the changes
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| 13:15 | <laga> ogra: superm1 can ack FFes for anything mythbuntu*, so i'm fine
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| 13:16 | <ogra> ah, its universe stuff ?
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| 13:16 | <laga> yes
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| 13:16 | <ogra> thats easier then
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| 13:16 | <laga> i 've only done universe/multiverse so far
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| 13:19 | <johnny> ogra, you're not supposed to start it as sudo
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| 13:19 | all is fine if you use gksu
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| 13:22 | * johnny punches openfire in the face | |
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| 13:50 | <ogra> johnny, hmm, the patch is there and didnt change, did anything change in the way sabayon generates .desktop from .desktop.in ?
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| 13:51 | <johnny> yes
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| 13:51 | i mentioned it somewhere in a bug report
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| 13:51 | we don't have gnomesu by default
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| 13:51 | so s/gnomesu/gksu/ or the equiv will not work
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| 13:52 | <ogra> no, i mean the generation from .desktop out f .desktopin
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| 13:52 | <johnny> oh.. yeah
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| 13:52 | <ogra> th epatch patches .desktop.in
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| 13:52 | <johnny> desktop.in.in desktop.in
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| 13:52 | desktop
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| 13:52 | <ogra> but that doesnt seem to apply
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| 13:52 | EEEK !!!
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| 13:52 | <johnny> don't ask me
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| 13:53 | <ogra> people creating .in.in foles deserve a painful death, really
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| 13:53 | *files
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| 13:53 | <johnny> cuz i bugged federico to add support for X-GNOME-Bugzilla
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| 13:53 | and that's how he implemented -Version
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| 13:53 | <ogra> bah
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| 13:54 | <johnny> my autofu is weak, so i didn't know it was bad
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| 13:54 | <ogra> it just easy to overlook
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| 13:55 | the source of lots of bugs
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| 13:57 | <johnny> so the person who did this patch, didn't test his builds before recomending to hardy?
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| 13:57 | as it would not have worked
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| 14:02 | <ogra> right
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| 14:02 | and he's not online to shout at him
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| 14:08 | <ogra> johnny, uploaded ... now only praying helps (if you are religious :) )
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| 14:10 | <johnny> not so much
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| 14:10 | i wonder how long i should wait til upgrading to hardy :)
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| 14:11 | wonder how long it will take for the mirrors to calm down
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| 14:11 | <Q-FUNK> the hardy boys mystery.
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| 14:12 | * johnny screams at openfire | |
| 14:12 | <johnny> uggh
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| 14:12 | killing my entire day
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| 14:12 | and yesterday
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| 14:14 | <laga> cdimage.ubuntu.com is slow.
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| 14:16 | i should have used rsync
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| 14:17 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:17 | always
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| 14:17 | * laga feels guilty. | |
| 14:18 | * laga feels guilty about feeling less guilty if it downloaded faster | |
| 14:19 | <johnny> rsync what?
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| 14:20 | <laga> the daily cd
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| 14:20 | i usually get > 2 MB/s when dowloading it so it's fast enough ;)
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| 14:21 | <warren> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=LTSP
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| 14:21 | ?
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| 14:21 | <johnny> laga, will you get such speed on thursday?
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| 14:21 | <laga> johnny: no, i doubt it :)
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| 14:43 | <warren> I finally got a thincan DBE61
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| 14:44 | it is a LOT faster than the one I tested with gadi
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| 14:50 | Q-FUNK: yeah.. 800mA wasn't enough power
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| 15:34 | <warren> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=LTSP eh?
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| 15:34 | why is this here?
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| 15:37 | <ogra> why cat my firefox open it ?
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| 15:37 | *cant
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| 15:38 | <warren> Firefox 3?
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| 15:39 | <ogra> ah, translation glitch
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| 15:40 | * ogra updates langpacks | |
| 15:49 | <johnny> warren, i don't know anybody who knows much about rpms.. what's the deal with making an f9 rpm run on el4 ?
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| 15:49 | is it possible?
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| 15:50 | <warren> johnny: you need a EL4 buildroot to do it
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| 15:50 | <johnny> lame
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| 15:50 | <warren> assuming the spec file and BuildRequires are compatible on EL4
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| 15:50 | johnny: the libraries and everything are totally different
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| 15:50 | <johnny> i'm having trouble finding ejabberd 2.0 rpms for el4 :(
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| 15:50 | and the requisite erlang ebuild
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| 15:50 | err rpm
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| 15:51 | <warren> hah
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| 15:51 | <johnny> well it works great on my gentoo server.. that's all i know
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| 15:51 | not sure why this is a problem :(
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| 15:51 | <warren> erlang is in EPEL-4
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| 15:51 | no ejabberd
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| 15:52 | <johnny> EPEL ?
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| 15:52 | <warren> just search google
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| 15:52 | <johnny> no help so far
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| 15:52 | <warren> johnny: huge repository add-on for EL4
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| 15:52 | johnny: see if you can find a ejabberd .src.rpm for fc3
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| 15:52 | fc3 roughly equivalent with EL4
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| 15:52 | it might work
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| 15:52 | <johnny> aha
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| 15:53 | that's good to know
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| 15:53 | <warren> fc3 ~ EL4
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| 15:53 | fc6 ~ EL5
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| 15:53 | <johnny> i haven't touched an rpm based distro since redhat6
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| 15:53 | <warren> wow
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| 15:53 | <johnny> shied away ever since
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| 15:54 | i need to figure out how to disable this annoying firefox ssl warning
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| 15:54 | it is out of hand
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| 15:55 | <johnny> doing stuff with gentoo is waay easier for me
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| 15:56 | * warren finds that totally backwards, but OK =) | |
| 15:56 | <warren> ogra: the ltspfs device icons on your GNOME desktop, did you manage to get right-click Unmount to work?
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| 15:57 | <ogra> warren, i had a patch for gnomevfs to hide the option
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| 15:57 | <warren> haha
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| 15:57 | <ogra> but didnt make it to port it to gvfs
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| 15:57 | <warren> oh, latest Ubuntu uses gvfs?
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| 15:58 | <ogra> what upstream uses
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| 15:58 | <warren> what GNOME version is it?
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| 15:59 | <ogra> 2.22.1
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| 15:59 | <warren> ah
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| 16:14 | <dberkholz> warren: gentoo may be source-based, but the package manager is quite nice. particularly for someone who stopped using redhat before yum existed..
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| 16:18 | <johnny> making an ebuild is much simpler than packaging a deb..
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| 16:18 | or rpm it seems
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| 16:19 | dberkholz, i got agaffney to fix something like a showstopper bug for me
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| 16:19 | <dberkholz> johnny: what was it?
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| 16:19 | <johnny> damn thing was unmounting the swap partition :)
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| 16:19 | when it finished
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| 16:20 | which of course.. a few compiles later, made me go OOM
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| 16:20 | when running vbox
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| 16:20 | 2GB - 512mb vbox - compiling = -0
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| 16:21 | oh. and running apps..
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| 16:21 | <dberkholz> that's weird
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| 16:21 | i suppose if it generally expects to run on the same system it's installing to, it makes more sense
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| 16:22 | <johnny> now he records what he does, an then reverses it
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| 16:22 | so it shouldn't be a problem
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| 16:22 | <dberkholz> sounds like a much better plan
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| 16:22 | <johnny> there's only one annoyance left
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| 16:22 | that is .. until openrc is in a stage3..
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| 16:23 | and that is that ${arch} is not available for use in chroot_dir :(
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| 16:23 | trying to get that solved after i finish up my current task
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| 16:41 | <dberkholz> johnny: have you tried building a custom stage3 using ~arch stuff including openrc?
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| 16:41 | johnny: we can do that, and get it onto the experimental/ directory of mirrors
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| 16:42 | <johnny> we need a stage4 or binaries.. more so than
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| 16:42 | it's easier to stick with baselayout 1.x to start with, since quickstart makes modifications based on that
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| 16:42 | and then the openrc install takes care of the upgrades
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| 16:44 | <dberkholz> yeah. we don't really have a great framework in place on the mirrors for distributing binaries
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| 16:44 | there are places that we can put binpkgs, but not high bandwidth
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| 16:44 | http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/ for example
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| 16:49 | <johnny> the biggest issue is xorg, and the kernels
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| 16:49 | otherwise.. the install would be pretty quick
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| 16:51 | <dberkholz> i've got a guy who's going to be working on things similar to stage4's for summer of code. i'm hoping we can learn from that experience and apply it to ltsp
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| 16:51 | <johnny> link to the proposal?
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| 17:00 | <MRH2> anyone know if there are plans for new ltsp-5 tarball images?
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| 17:01 | <ogra> MRH2, you should rather see to get it included in your distro, thats the ltsp5 way
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| 17:02 | there might be tarballs at some point, but generally ltsp5 is all about distro integration
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| 17:02 | <MRH2> yes that would be nice but centos/redhat ain't exactly desktop focussed
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| 17:03 | <ogra> fedora will be the next distro to have it included , there is massive work going on to get that done
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| 17:04 | <ogra> MRH2, warren can surely point you to a repo for fedora ltsp5 paxkages
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| 17:04 | <MRH2> would that work with centos 5?
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| 17:04 | <ogra> no idea, i'm ubuntu user
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| 17:04 | i wouldnt even exactly know the difference on a tech level
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| 17:07 | laga, cjwatson == code distillery ;)
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| 17:07 | <johnny> sup?
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| 17:08 | <ogra> (couldnt say that in the other channel, he's my boss :) )
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| 17:10 | <laga> ogra: :) at least i get to go to bed now. i meant to do that 1.5 hours ago, then i decided to make myself unhappy by doing some bug triaging ;)
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| 17:10 | <ogra> heh
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| 17:10 | sleep tight then :)
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| 17:11 | * ogra will go on with classmate clanups ... unltil he has a conf call at 7am | |
| 17:12 | <laga> sounds like a fun way to spend the night. i guess i'll see you in the morning, when i get up :)
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| 17:12 | <cliebow> how about a little sleep!
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| 17:12 | <ogra> cliebow, sleep if for post release :)
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| 17:12 | *is
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| 17:12 | <cliebow> better you than me
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| 17:16 | * johnny thinks ogra doesn't get paid well enough for this | |
| 17:17 | <ogra> i can slack a lot during a release cycle if i want, nobody really cotrols my work hours or so as long as in the end my work gets delivered ... its only some hot spots during a release where i have to do that
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| 17:18 | (ineed i work more hours than i' supposed to though)
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| 17:19 | i wouldnt want to miss the adrenaline and excitement the last ten days befoe a release :) even though its exhausting its also addicting ;)
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| 17:19 | <johnny> sounds like fun in a way
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| 17:19 | it'd be nice to get paid for it at all :(
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| 17:19 | in my case
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| 17:20 | * laga is in it for the fun | |
| 17:20 | <laga> and for the unique opportunity to yell at clueless users
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| 17:20 | ;)
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| 17:20 | <ogra> heh
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| 17:20 | * ogra is in for the fun too | |
| 17:21 | <cliebow> Yay1
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| 17:21 | <ogra> i would do everything i do for free anyway
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| 17:21 | <laga> i've signed the CoC again last week so i've got to be nice, though
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| 17:21 | <stgraber> laga: has it been updated ?
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| 17:21 | <johnny> ogra, gotta live somehow..
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| 17:21 | <ogra> johnny, right
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| 17:22 | <laga> stgraber: no
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| 17:22 | <ogra> stgraber, laga has been updated :)
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| 17:22 | <laga> yes, to "suppressed anger 1.3a" ;)
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| 17:23 | <ogra> s/supressed/properly creatively channeled/
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| 17:23 | wax on, wax off ... you know :)
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| 17:24 | <laga> you're awarded the "euphemism of the day" award. ;)
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| 17:24 | i shall vanish before the night is over, cya
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| 17:24 | <ogra> ciao
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| 17:24 | <johnny> i hope to meet you in RL some day ogra
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| 17:25 | <ogra> johnny, to quote monty python: i'm not dead yet :)
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| 17:25 | we'll surely get the opportunity one day :)
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| 17:26 | <johnny> you ever come over this side of that big water thingy?
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| 17:26 | <ogra> might be that i'll be in portland for oscon ... but thats not really near you
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| 17:26 | <johnny> i gotta find a way to come for that
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| 17:27 | <ogra> since canonical has a boston office i'll likely be on the east coast as well some point in the future
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| 17:27 | <johnny> bit closer..
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| 17:27 | <cliebow> cool!!
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| 17:27 | <johnny> no cliebow not for you!.. ME!
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| 17:27 | lol
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| 17:27 | hehe
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| 17:28 | <cliebow> they need an office in err.. Southwest Harbor..
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| 17:28 | <ogra> and if i ever manae to claim my driver license back i'll finally rent a hog and drive down the atlantic coast ;)
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| 17:28 | <johnny> baltimore
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| 17:28 | you can see the smallest ltsp install ever
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| 17:28 | <ogra> then i'll drop by
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| 17:28 | <cliebow> small but very incere..
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| 17:28 | * ogra has the smallest ltsp inswtall every ... an ubuntu ltsp server on a 2G micro SD card ;) | |
| 17:29 | <cliebow> add an s
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| 17:29 | <ogra> *ever
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| 17:29 | <johnny> i meant client wise :)
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| 17:29 | <cliebow> hah!
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| 17:29 | <johnny> 4
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| 17:29 | 4 is all we have
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| 17:29 | <cliebow> the parrots revision of my keyboard havnt helped things any
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| 17:32 | <ogra> johnny, sabayon accepted
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| 17:32 | <johnny> aha
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| 17:32 | yay
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| 17:32 | <ogra> :)
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| 17:32 | <johnny> not that it matters to me personally
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| 17:32 | i know how to make it work :)
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| 17:33 | <ogra> well, you are subscribed to the bugs :)
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| 17:33 | <johnny> but i'm sure the users will be slightly happier
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| 17:33 | <ogra> yeah
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| 17:33 | and it will produce less noise
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| 17:33 | <johnny> did you comment on the bug?
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| 17:34 | <ogra> no
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| 17:34 | hmm
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| 17:34 | crap and my first upoad was buggy, the second doesnt have the LP: entry for autoclosing
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| 17:34 | * ogra goes to close manuall | |
| 17:34 | <ogra> y
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| 17:35 | <johnny> ok.. i concede.. openfire isn't going to cut it
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| 17:35 | binary installer ftw
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| 17:35 | of ejabberd
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| 17:36 | <ogra> jabber probs ?
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| 17:37 | i know someone who is deep into jabber servers, but he's not online atm ... (will be back during european workhours tomorrow)
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| 17:38 | <stgraber> johnny: isn't openfire that java based jabber server I tried long ago ? which a pretty web UI but not much feature
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| 17:38 | <johnny> it has more features now
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| 17:38 | but.. it's bosh implementation is broken
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| 17:38 | it got a gsoc application accepted
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| 17:39 | and is schedule to be solved in q3 sometime
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| 17:39 | but.. i can't wait for that crap
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| 17:39 | ejabberd has more useful features for me atm
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| 17:39 | except for transports
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| 17:39 | openfire does a better job with the transports
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| 17:39 | they are all integrated
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| 17:39 | and written in java
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| 17:40 | in ejabberd, you have to manually edit the config file, and run seperate services
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| 17:40 | most especially for AIM
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| 17:40 | <stgraber> oh, things seem to have changed a lot since I last tried it :) IIRC it didn't have transport at all last I tried
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| 17:46 | <johnny> but
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| 17:46 | it's still lacking one i need for my own stuff
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| 17:46 | vhost support!
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| 17:47 | <stgraber> hmm, indeed the lack of vhost support can be a problem :)
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| 17:54 | <johnny> before the whole open sourcing thing happen
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| 17:54 | ed*
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| 17:54 | they explained that most of the people who requested vhost support were users of the free version
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| 17:54 | so it wasn't high priority
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| 18:38 | <MRH2> Hi on 4.2 bootup stops at "input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0"
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| 18:39 | does this sound like a problem buiding the X config file?
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| 18:46 | sorry gtg
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