IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 August 2013 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <bennabiy> you ever tried to do a 7.1 install on older server hardware? I have an IBM eServer 235 which the network is not working properly.
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| 00:00 | I think I am just going to add a nic to it, and see if that fixes it.
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| 00:11 | <vagrantc> pretty much exclusively do server installs via network boot
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| 00:11 | so the first issue to resolve is networking ... usually only a matter of loading the firmware from usb
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| 00:27 | <bennabiy> that was it :) and I accidentally plugged into the RS-485 port ;)
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| 00:28 | I was reaching behind the machine in a tight corner
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| 00:29 | you ever deal with xen?
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| 00:33 | <vagrantc> in the process of getting rid of the last of our xen servers today, actually :)
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| 00:34 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 00:40 | * sunweaver waves from Vaumarcus... | |
| 00:40 | <sunweaver> vagrantc: we had some nice Aikido sessions here with some DDs...
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| 00:41 | actually, tomorrow is the next one...
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| 00:44 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: Did you see what I had posted earlier about the sound issue, and how it was fixed by restarting the pulseserver on the client (temporary fix, but without the -L fix involved)
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| 00:44 | <sunweaver> oops: vagrantc has quit...
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| 00:44 | <bennabiy> bah.. I just noticed that as well
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| 00:44 | Hello sunweaver!
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| 00:44 | * sunweaver is the guy from X2Go upstream... | |
| 00:44 | <sunweaver> hi!
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| 00:44 | bedtime here at DebConf13-Switzerland...
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| 00:44 | <bennabiy> Someone was looking for you earlier, but cant recall who now
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| 00:44 | How is it going?
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| 00:44 | <sunweaver> tired! Local time is 2:44 and I have been working on packaging MATE the whole night.
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| 00:45 | <bennabiy> YAY!
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| 00:45 | I love MATE (both the DE and the drink)
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| 00:45 | <sunweaver> hehehe...
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| 00:45 | <bennabiy> I am drinking my gourd now
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| 00:45 | <sunweaver> MATE works really smooth in X2Go and so it also probably does in LTSP.
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| 00:45 | <bennabiy> yes, it is very smooth in ltsp
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| 00:45 | <sunweaver> have a good time
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| 00:46 | * sunweaver is seeking his bed... | |
| 00:46 | <bennabiy> we are using it on our mint 15 server
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| 00:46 | Night!
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| 11:58 | <engblom> Using Debian stable and Fat Clients, how do I get local USB-connected printers to work? They are not automatically recognized.
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| 12:46 | <||cw> engblom: you have cups and all the needed drivers (foomatic, hpijs, etc) installed in the chroot?
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| 12:50 | <bennabiy> Howdy all...
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| 12:52 | quick question for everyone... If I want the lightest weight DE in debian, would it be KDE, LXDE or Xfce? (I know it isn't gnome3)
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| 13:18 | <||cw> probably lxde. last time I used xfce it wasn't much lighter than gnome2, and while kde is good at trimming itself down in low ram situations, it's still not that light
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| 13:18 | it's been a long time since I tried lxde though
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| 14:05 | <bennabiy> thanks.
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| 14:28 | <bennabiy> Is anyone else here using mint / ltsp?
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| 14:40 | <engblom> ||cw: Yes, I have everything installed.
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| 15:22 | <bennabiy> hey vagrantc
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| 15:23 | how long does dpkg-scanpackages take to run on a full deb 7.1 repo?
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| 15:26 | <vagrantc> no idea
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| 15:26 | but why?
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| 15:26 | i mean, what are you trying to do?
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| 15:32 | bennabiy: there are many tools to generate apt repositories, i would not reccommend doing it manually
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| 15:34 | <bennabiy> I am about to do an assortment of various deb installs, and I pulled all the .deb files to make a local repository. I am generating the Packages.gz file
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| 15:35 | That way I can do each install over the local network, rather than pulling from the inet each time
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| 15:35 | I was looking for you earlier to see if that was the best way to do it, but you werent here. ;)
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| 15:35 | <vagrantc> i'd reccommend using reprepro
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| 15:36 | <bennabiy> Can that be run on mint 15?
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> alternately, approx or maybe apt-cacher-ng
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| 15:36 | bennabiy: how would i know? :p
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| 15:37 | <bennabiy> That is my issue... All my machines in the office are mint or kubuntu based .. and I am about to set up about 4 or 5 deb servers
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| 15:37 | I feel bad about communicating about non-ltsp specific things in here, is there a better way to reach you?
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| 15:37 | <vagrantc> i would e surprised if any of those wasn't available for mint
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| 15:38 | or ubuntu
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| 15:38 | <bennabiy> have you ever used MATE on debian?
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> no need to reach me specifically
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| 15:38 | i have not
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| 15:39 | i prefer to stick with debian and not use external repositories
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| 15:39 | saves a lot of headache
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| 15:39 | <bennabiy> that makes sense
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| 15:40 | <vagrantc> but i prefer to help people in public channels... more people benefit that way
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| 15:40 | <bennabiy> I agree
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| 15:41 | <bennabiy> Just some channels are very much devoted to sticking to the topic of the channel, so other questions are not so advised.
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> If you install the packages you want in one server, they get cached in /var/cache/apt/archives, and then if you just copy them to other servers before installing those packages, they will be read from the cache instead of pulled from the internet
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> there are some features like --mount-package-cache and --mount-package-lists and such to help
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| 15:45 | <bennabiy> alkisg! would that work if I want different things installed to each?
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> for ltsp-build-client
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> Sure, you only need to have the debs in that folder
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| 15:45 | Additional debs don't cause problems
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| 15:46 | And apt-get clean after installation deletes them, if you want to save space
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| 15:46 | <bennabiy> What happens if I run apt-get update? would those packages in that folder be upgraded if there are new version and I run the upgrade?
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| 15:46 | * vagrantc waves to alkisg | |
| 15:46 | <alkisg> Hi vagrantc :)
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| 15:47 | <bennabiy> btw, alkisg: I finally got the audio fixed...
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> If newer debs are available on the internet, those will be downloaded in the cache instead of the stored ones
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| 15:47 | Yup I saw it in the mailing list
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| 15:47 | * vagrantc really wants to get that fix into debian | |
| 15:48 | <bennabiy> Is there a way I could go about getting a ltsp for mint setup, so I could post specific fixes which need to apply for mint?
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| 15:48 | at the moment, my build client has to build from ubuntu, but I think I could make a mint specific
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| 15:49 | I noticed on https://code.launchpad.net/ltsp I could download the codebase, but where would I go from there?
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| 15:51 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: is ltsp-server available n mint?
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| 15:51 | ad ltsp-client?
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| 15:52 | the packages... they just don't work?
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| 15:52 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 15:53 | it is the build client scripts which are not
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| 15:53 | <vagrantc> probably just a few minor tweaks in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/
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| 15:54 | <bennabiy> I have to do some magic redirection to cause it to pull the files for the client image and chroot from ubuntu instead of mint
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| 15:54 | that is what I thought
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| 15:54 | but it hasnt been done yet
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| 15:54 | and I do not want to have to keep doing it
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| 15:54 | ;)
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| 15:54 | <vagrantc> what does lsb_release say?
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| 15:56 | <bennabiy> on the client?
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| 15:56 | or on my server?
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| 15:56 | <vagrantc> on a mint comuter
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| 15:56 | er. mint install
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| 15:56 | <bennabiy> No LSB modules are available
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> lsb_release -sa
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> Generally you can just file bug reports on ltsp to add simple things like supporting mint...
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| 15:58 | !ltsp-bug
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| 15:58 | <ltsp`> ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
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| 15:58 | <bennabiy> $ lsb_release -sa
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| 15:58 | No LSB modules are available.
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| 15:58 | LinuxMint
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| 15:58 | Linux Mint 15 Olivia
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| 15:58 | 15
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| 15:58 | olivia
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> although there's debian and ubuntu based mint, just tokeep it difficult
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| 15:59 | <bennabiy> This is Ubuntu based
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> The debian-based might report LMDE in lsb_release... we'll have to check
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| 15:59 | <vagrantc> that'd be good
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| 16:00 | <bennabiy> to make the distinction
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> For starters, you could try symlinking /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu to /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/LinuxMint
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> when i have some free time i could set up vm and try it
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| 16:00 | <bennabiy> alkisg that is what I do
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| 16:00 | <vagrantc> you'll need a different 00base or whatever it's called
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| 16:01 | for the mirror defaults
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| 16:01 | <bennabiy> and then when you build the client you need to specify architecture as well as release ( using the ubuntu release codename)
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| 16:01 | <vagrantc> maybe a handfull of others
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> Are the mint mirrors compatible or the same with the ubuntu ones?
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| 16:01 | Pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list ...
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| 16:02 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: but you should be able to use mint mirrors and codenames
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| 16:02 | <bennabiy> I know. but it has not been set up yet.
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| 16:04 | that is why I am wanting to set it up, and then have it available worldwide, because I am not the only mint user who does ltsp, although mint support of ltsp is not very well documented
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> In your case it's worse, it's a mixed setup, mint server, ubuntu chroot
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| 16:05 | <bennabiy> It is because the script has not been set up to pull actual mint chroot, but I think it is possible, and am willing to try it, if I know how to post my results when I do it
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| 16:05 | * bennabiy is horrible at communicating | |
| 16:06 | <vagrantc> ltsp-build-client --copy-souceslist might be interesting
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| 16:06 | * vagrantc wonders if mint debootstrap supports mint | |
| 16:07 | <bennabiy> hmm. isnt there an option to tell ltsp where to put the new build?
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| 16:07 | so I do not mess up my current setup
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| 16:08 | <vagrantc> --chroot-name ?
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| 16:09 | <bennabiy> !seen yanu
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| 16:09 | <ltsp`> yanu was last seen in #ltsp 35 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <yanu> fuzai: this is what I saved once :http://pastebin.com/Snt1tK4s
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| 16:10 | <bennabiy> ltsp-build-client --base /opt/ltsp_new --copy-sources
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| 16:10 | --base
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| 16:11 | <vagrantc> that's another way to do it
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| 16:11 | but then you'll need to reconfigure NFS or NBD to use the alternate location
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| 16:12 | <bennabiy> I could make a special rule for my mac address to issue that image instead
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> yes, you'll have to configure dhcp in either case
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| 16:14 | ltsp-update-kernels with an alternate --base will probably break...
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| 16:14 | i.e. delete the kernels and initrd images
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| 16:17 | <bennabiy> true.. perhaps I could just make a copy of the image files, remove them, and then try it... all else fails, move it back in place
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| 16:18 | those images only are needed to boot the client, right? So once the client is booted, those images can disappear and be replaced
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| 16:24 | <vagrantc> looks like i got disconnected...
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| 16:24 | bennabiy: what did i miss? :)
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| 16:25 | <bennabiy> umm... not much... I am trying to consider the best approach to testing this out.
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| 16:29 | <bennabiy> hrm.. where else would a deb based os pull apt sources from?
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| 16:29 | /etc/apt/sources.list is all commented out, but my system pulls many sources
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 16:29 | sources.list.d ?
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| 16:29 | <bennabiy> let me check
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| 16:30 | yup
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| 16:33 | * vagrantc wonders if --copy-sourceslist handles the .d dir | |
| 16:35 | <bennabiy> where is the documentation for that option?
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| 16:37 | * vagrantc loked at the code | |
| 16:37 | <vagrantc> should also handle the .d dirs
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| 16:37 | <bennabiy> ok
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| 16:39 | <vagrantc> does /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts contain your release codename?
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| 16:39 | i think olivia?
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| 16:47 | <bennabiy> nope
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| 16:47 | it has raring, which is a link to gutsy
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| 16:49 | * bennabiy throws hands up in the air... | |
| 16:49 | <bennabiy> I give up trying to run my own repository for debian!
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| 17:01 | * vagrantc wonders how mint does the base install | |
| 17:02 | <vagrantc> ??
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| 17:03 | bennabiy: approx is really easy to set up
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| 17:07 | it's not strictly a mirror... it caches packages as you request them, so the second try is local
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| 17:07 | apt-cacher-ng is similar, but i haven't used it
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| 17:27 | <bennabiy> I know, but I want to run it on a diff system...
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| 17:37 | vagrantc: Do you know how much memory wheezy needs to be dom0 for xen?
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| 17:37 | I tried 3096, but it kernel crashed
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| 17:50 | bah, it is amazing what one letter does for a setting... I did 3096, not 3096M for grub
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> i've never needed more than 512M for dom0, but haven't run xen with wheezy
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| 17:57 | also always use dom0 for xend only, and run all services in domU
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| 17:58 | though i don't imagine it needs any more thanetch, lenny ot squeeze
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| 17:58 | bennabiy: why not kvm? no hardware support?
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| 18:06 | <bennabiy> nope
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| 18:06 | 1024 crashes wheezy
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| 18:06 | I gave wheezy 2048 and it is fine.
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| 18:07 | <vagrantc> exactly what are you setting?
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| 18:08 | <bennabiy> etc/default/grub -> GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="dom0_mem=1024M" and then adding the same thing in xend-config.sdx
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| 18:08 | I mean the same number for dom0_mem
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| 18:09 | err dom0-min-mem
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| 18:09 | just without the M on it
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| 18:09 | <vagrantc> i wouldn't change xend-config.sdx
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| 18:10 | <bennabiy> I am just following https://wiki.debian.org/Xen
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| 18:10 | <vagrantc> huh
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| 18:11 | <bennabiy> I turned off ballooning and hard enabled the dom0 memory
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| 18:11 | those are my only changes
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| 18:16 | <vagrantc> hm. guess wheezy is a bit different
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| 18:16 | bennabiy: good luck
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| 18:19 | <bennabiy> alkisg: I am about to try to build a mint client... any thoughts on the best way to go about it?
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| 18:20 | <alkisg> Thin chroot?
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| 18:21 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> Try --copy-sources-list and symlink Ubuntu to LinuxMint...
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| 18:21 | Not sure what else is needed
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| 18:22 | Also --mount-package-cache for speedup
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| 18:27 | <bennabiy> I am thinking I should use the --chroot to differentiate between the ubuntu clients I already have and the new attempt
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| 18:27 | does the order of arguments matter?
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| 18:29 | <alkisg> No
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| 18:31 | <bennabiy> Now, the current clients are already symlinked to Ubuntu... Is there a way I could actually make a LinuxMint genuine folder?
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| 18:31 | <alkisg> What do you mean symlinked to Ubuntu?
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| 18:32 | ls -l /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/
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| 18:55 | <bennabiy> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2869602
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| 18:56 | I already have the directory symlinked
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| 18:56 | that is how I made the client in the first place
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| 18:56 | but then when building the client, I needed to specify --dist=raring or it would not build, so it built a raring client
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| 18:57 | but I want to see if I can make an olivia client
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| 19:11 | Does that make sense?
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| 20:08 | <bennabiy> welcome back
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