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05:32	<vilas> I am able to ping 8.8.8.8 but not to google.com from thin client i have entered 8.8.8.8 in chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/resolv.conf and also there is entry in dhcpd.conf any help ...
05:34	i have updated kernels, sshkeys, image restarted dhcp service still no success..
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09:15	<otwieracz> Hmm.
09:15	My ltsp client booted, but LDM is not starting.
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09:35	<knipwim> otwieracz: for gentoo right? what ltsp-server version do you use?
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09:44	<otwieracz> knipwim: 5.4.4
09:46	<knipwim> i had problems with starting up ldm, but i thought that was fixed in 5.4.4
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09:47	<knipwim> could you check the ldm version in the chroot (and whether it's installed or not)
09:48	<otwieracz> * x11-misc/ldm Latest version installed: 2.2.11
09:49	But I see that there are some problems while booting.
09:49	<Hyperbyte> Morning. :)
09:50	<otwieracz> Problems while remounting root rw.
09:50	And lack of „net” service.
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09:58	<knipwim> otwieracz: still working with nfs?
09:59	<otwieracz> Yes, NFS is already working.
09:59	(i think)
10:04	<knipwim> otwieracz: hmm, i help you fully right now, since I'm at work
10:04	also, i haven't used genkernel in ages
10:04	<otwieracz> Me too
10:05	I've always compiled it by hand.
10:05	But nfs root is now mounted.
10:08	<knipwim> without errors?
10:08	<otwieracz> Looks like.
10:09	OpenRC is starting.
10:09	So it is probably mounted.
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10:25	<knipwim> otwieracz: >= ltsp-client-5.3?
10:26	<otwieracz> * net-misc/ltsp-client Latest version installed: 5.4.3
10:27	But root is read only by some reason
10:27	fstab?
10:27	dunno.
10:28	should be readonly?
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10:36	<Hyperbyte> otwieracz, you mean the root that's mounted on the client?
10:36	<otwieracz> Yes.
10:36	<Hyperbyte> Yes, that should be read only. Else all clients start to modify files in the same chroot.
10:36	Plus it would be quite a security risk. :)
10:37	By default, LTSP mounts the / filesystem read-only, and overlays certain tmpfs filesystems for things like /tmp and /run
10:39	<otwieracz> So user can not have any own data?
10:39	And still no LDM :(
10:40	startx tells „no screens found.
10:40	”
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10:50	<knipwim> otwieracz: can you pastebin what startx says?
10:50	<otwieracz> Wait a second, please.
10:50	<knipwim> otwieracz: also, user data is placed in the /home/user which is mounted from the server, and writable
10:51	<otwieracz> How to create user correctly?
10:51	<Hyperbyte> otwieracz, you are pretty new to Linux, aren't you?
10:52	<otwieracz> No.
10:52	I'm only asking if there is any ltsp-way.
10:52	<Hyperbyte> Ah.
10:52	<otwieracz> I'm not sure if i fully understand ltsp architecture.
10:52	<Hyperbyte> LTSP authenticates to the server.
10:52	It does this with an SSH connection to the server.
10:52	<otwieracz> And I dont know if I should fix my problems by simply chrooting and fixing them.
10:53	So I have to create users on ltsp server?
10:53	<Hyperbyte> Yes. You created users in the chroot?
10:53	<knipwim> you create users on the server, like norm,al in linux
10:53	<otwieracz> Yes. :)
10:53	<Hyperbyte> Let me ask you - have you been modifying the chroot at all?
10:54	Because LTSP configuration resides mostly on the server, not in the chroot.
10:54	<otwieracz> Only a bit.
10:54	<Hyperbyte> Unless you're using fat clients, or thin clients in a heavily modified environment, you do not need to modify the chroot at all. Even trying can cause problems. :)
10:54	If possible, I would rm -rf /opt/ltsp/ and run ltsp-build-client again to get a fresh new chroot.
10:54	<otwieracz> So, I've done userdel otwieracz
10:54	In chroot environment
10:55	Now I've done useradd -m otwieracz on ltsp-server
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10:55	<otwieracz> And Login incorrect
10:56	<Hyperbyte> On the server, type ssh otwieracz@localhost
10:56	See if you can log in that way
10:57	<otwieracz> Ah.
10:57	password auth is disabled in sshd.
10:57	what?
10:57	I'm logging in as root with password.
10:57	shit.
10:58	That was in chroot…
11:01	OK, I can do ssh otwieracz@localhost
11:02	But not in console of client.
11:02	<Hyperbyte> I didn't ask you try in the console of the client. :-)
11:02	<otwieracz> ok.
11:03	Ah.
11:03	<Hyperbyte> But, LDM isn't starting at all, is it? You don't even get a login prompt?
11:03	<otwieracz> That should be probably done in LDM, right?
11:03	Exactly.
11:03	<Hyperbyte> Right, that's your next problem.
11:03	In the console of the client you cannot login. If you want a console on the client, type !screen_02. But that's for later probably.
11:04	What happened with LDM? Did it ever work?
11:04	<otwieracz> Nope.
11:04	<Hyperbyte> For example, did it work, and then you started messing with the chroot, and now it doesn't work?
11:04	<otwieracz> No, no, no.
11:04	It did not worked at all.
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11:05	<otwieracz> Maybe that beucase SiS graphics card in thin client?
11:05	<Hyperbyte> The "no screens found" bit is probably something to do with X on the client.
11:05	On the server, do you have a file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ?
11:05	<otwieracz> No screens found was when I tried to log into the client console and type „startx„
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11:05	<Hyperbyte> Oh
11:06	Stop.
11:06	<otwieracz> cat /tftpboot/ltsp/lts.conf
11:06	[default]
11:06	SERVER=10.10.1.3
11:06	SYSLOG_HOST=10.10.1.3
11:06	Only.
11:06	<Hyperbyte> Restart the client.
11:06	What happens exactly?
11:06	<otwieracz> I've done it many times.
11:06	Can I enter OpenRC interactive booting?
11:06	<Hyperbyte> I don't want to know what error you're getting after you start messing around on the console
11:06	I want to know what happens during normal boot. :)
11:07	<otwieracz> Everything is scrolling fast…
11:07	<Hyperbyte> That's ok.
11:07	<otwieracz> Service net tftp netmount sshd pydoc mount / not mounted or bad option
11:07	So rewrite
11:08	Service {net, in.tftp, netmount, sshd, pydoc-*} have unsatisfied dependency net.
11:08	mount: / not mounted or bad option when trying to remount / rw
11:08	Then I see clear terminal with:
11:08	„syslogd: /var/log/news/news.notice: No such file or directory
11:12	<Hyperbyte> This might be more useful errors. Perhaps knipwim can give some advice on what to do next. I'm no Gentoo expert. :)
11:20	<otwieracz> I had lts.conf in wrong location.
11:20	BUT
11:20	Now I've got completetly black screen ;)
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11:23	<otwieracz> No, wait, that's not black screen.
11:23	There is blinking „_” in upper left curner.
11:26	on server:
11:26	euclid ltsp # ldminfod
11:26	File "/usr/sbin/ldminfod", line 186
11:26	print "ERROR: failed to run locale"
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11:39	<Hyperbyte> alkisg, there are ldm-trunk and ltsp-trunk on launchpad to translate. Do both need to be translated? Because launchpad recommends doing ltsp-trunk.
11:39	<alkisg> Hyperbyte: both
11:40	Although of course you'll never see some distro-specific strings
11:42	<Hyperbyte> :(99
11:42	But but but
11:42	...
11:43	I knew that, of course. :)
11:43	Did you see I confirmed/reviewed/translated Dutch?
11:46	Did some basic for German too, but my German's not too perfect, so it'll stay at the basic level. :P
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11:50	<alkisg> (01:43:23 μμ) Hyperbyte: Did you see I confirmed/reviewed/translated Dutch? => nope, that's the beauty of it, we no longer need to see the translator's work :P :D
11:50	They get automatically committed without us doing anything!
11:52	<Hyperbyte> ...
11:52	.... ok that's not what I meant. :(
11:52	<alkisg> Hehe
11:53	Nope /me has been busy writing yet another ltsp paper :-/
11:53	...so I haven't looked at recent trunk commits
11:53	<knipwim> otwieracz: i'll get back to you in like 6 hours, when i'm good and well at home
11:53	having all the time of the world
11:54	if none of the nfs stuff works, you could try this: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LTSP#NBD
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12:08	<vilas> which is the best recommeded distribution to use for Thin Client ? currently i am running kubunutu 12.04(64bit) on Ubuntu 12.04 (64bit) ?
12:10	<Hyperbyte> vilas, all depends on your needs/wishes.
12:11	Generally speaking, Ubuntu is most popular and best supported:
12:11	http://www.ltsp.org/stories/stats/
12:12	<vilas> currently i am facing lots of issue in kubuntu. I am not able to figure out exactly it is kde related issue or something else
12:12	<Hyperbyte> As for KUbuntu instead of Ubuntu - there's been quite a number of problems related to LTSP in combination with KDE, such as KDE having problems with networked home dirs. I'm sure with enough creativity and Google'ing you can overcome these things though.
12:14	LTSP doesn't have anything directly that causes KDE to behave badly sometimes, KDE is not compatible with some of the software LTSP depends on. Or at least, that's how I understand it. I'm not a KDE user myself.
12:14	<vilas> for example : when i open pdf the pdf gets open at backend window then you have to click taskbar to bring at frontend
12:14	<Hyperbyte> Well, these sound more like KDE issues than LTSP issues.
12:14	Have you tried KUbuntu or KDE IRC channels?
12:17	<vilas> i was just wondering that on 4 GB RAM / AMD Dual Core Hardware I should not feel slow while (ThinClient)operating and that to i havent installed any software just using basic office firefox
12:18	<Hyperbyte> Your thin clients feel slow in operation?
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12:19	<vilas> it gets boots properly but when story comes to open doc files/zip files/firefox etc it makes slow
12:20	<Hyperbyte> Pastebin your lts.conf file
12:21	Wait a second also - are you using thin or fat clients?
12:21	<vilas> fat clients
12:21	<Hyperbyte> Ah
12:22	Then it shouldn't be any slower than regular Linux. You can use normal tools like 'top' and 'free' to see if your computer is running of CPU or RAM, or whatever else is going on.
12:25	<vilas> i did that cpu RAM usage is okay normal
12:25	<Hyperbyte> iptraf-ng, network usage?
12:29	<vilas> i havent check with iptraf but to inform i am using 1Gig Network Card and right now only 1 Fat clients is running more to come in future..
12:31	had any one try Zorion OS
12:34	@Hyperbyte: is it best to use gnome because probably i will be trying gnome-destop..
12:43	lts.conf -------> [Default] SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=ldm
12:49	<Hyperbyte> Right, for thin clients you could add some speed hacks, but for fat clients this really doesn't matter much.
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13:06	<meamy> hi all, I want to change my Fat Client from using NBD to using NFS. there is this ubuntu wiki article https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToSetupLTSPDevelEnvironment#Using_NFS_in_replacement_of_NBD but it is not working. i am using 12.04 as client and server distribution, any ideas ?
13:08	<Hyperbyte> meamy, let's start with the why. Why do you want to change from NBD to NFS?
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13:11	<meamy> hyperbyte, I need to test some setups (desktops environments graphic drivers, different programs) and i dont want to rebuild the image after ervery change because it takes to much time
13:11	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: I just did a complete reinstall of server os and ltsp using Ubuntu 12.10 this time. I still do not have teh nbi.img in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/
13:13	<meamy> hyperbyte, after i figured out to correct setup and all the testing is done the plan is to change it back to NBD
13:15	<Hyperbyte> duh
13:15	meamy:
13:15	!screen_02
13:15	<ltsp> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
13:15	<Hyperbyte> Do your testing there. :-)
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13:15	<Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, I'm not sure about the nbi.img. alkisg said you didn't need it, right?
13:15	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: I pasted some output that was requested yesterday, but I could not get to it... http://pastebin.com/ubDs1NF4
13:16	<Hyperbyte> What problems are you having exactly now?
13:16	<JuJuBee> Yes, he did, but it is strange that it was not there.
13:17	Just got to the creating client image part, haven't actually tested yet. Wanted to have the server on my network to get dir listings etc... before I take it off and on to test network. Will test now..
13:18	<Hyperbyte> You know the nib.img is generated when you create a client image, right?
13:18	Before that you shouldn't have it.
13:18	*nbi.img
13:19	ltsp-build-client creates the whole client image and the required NBD configuration as well as the tftp stuff
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13:21	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: I already did build-client
13:22	Just adding ubuntu-desktop to image
13:30	<meamy> hyperbyte, mm but will the fat client image also be updated, or did i need to do this after all changes still the update image procedure (i guess i have to do this because otherwise how will the client image be updatet)
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13:31	<vilas> please suggest some lite distro for fat clients my base distro is ubuntu 12.04 64bit
13:33	<muppis> Depends what you mean by lite?
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13:36	<muppis> I like Ubuntu when it comes with Gnome-shell and installed without recommends.
13:39	<meamy> you can build really lite gentoo distros but instead you worked with gentoo before i would not recommend that
13:53	<Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, ah... you'd probably want ltsp-build-client --fat-client
13:53	So your clients don't use the server's hardware. Sorry, guess we've been sleeping. :P
13:54	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
13:55	vilas, you don't need a special distro for that. You could just install LXDE, fluxbox, Gnome-fallback, whatever you want, and enforce it with LDM_FORCE_SESSION
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14:10	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: I had to step out to teach... So that is fine, but I may want to set this up as a thin client install anyway just in case I keep my existing older hardware and deploy the newer machines to other areas like our CAD class.
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14:13	<otwieracz> is it possible that ldm is not starting on client beucase of ldminfod failure?
14:13	<JuJuBee> I just ran a test, I get DHCP address but file not found on tftp boot, I wonder if it has to do with the hdcp config? http://pastebin.com/ia9dwPSd and it is looking for the nbi.img?
14:14	*dhcp config
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14:20	<meamy> JuJuBee try to use use "filename "/ltsp/amd64/nbi.img";" that is working for me
14:23	<JuJuBee> meamy: /ltsp does not exist on the server
14:25	<meamy> JuJuBee is that the error you get ? what kind of dhcp server are you using (isc-dhcp-server??)
14:30	<JuJuBee> meamy: I did not get that error, but if I ls / , then there is no dir /ltsp, I installed ltsp-server-standalone which used isc I believe
14:35	I cannot find nbi.img anywhere on the server
14:35	What exactly is /ope/ltsp/images/amd64.img ? Is that the client image that will boot the clients?
14:36	<meamy> JuJuBee for the tfpserver the root dir is /var/lib/tftpboot/ so you just need to give him the Path from there on to the image. in your configuration he looks for a file in :/var/lib/tftpboot/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/nbi.img .
14:37	amd64.img sounds like the image you wnat to boot
14:37	<JuJuBee> Is nbi.img specific to 32bit?
14:37	so in my dhcp config I should remove the /var/libb/tftpboot ?
14:40	<meamy> JuJuBee yes I am also new in this topic but my dhcp.conf looks like that (but ofcourse if there is no existing nbi.img at all it will still not boot :D )
14:42	<JuJuBee> It's working now. I removed the /var/lib/tftpboot from the dhcp config
14:43	Still no nbi.img in that directory but it is using pxelinux.0
14:43	:( saw the ubuntu logo on boot and got excited... dropped to busybox shell
14:50	<Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, we could do this a little quicker maybe.
14:50	<meamy> JuJuBee /etc/init.d/nbd-server restart
14:50	<Hyperbyte> Can you give me access to your machine for a bit, so I can poke around for a few minutes?
14:52	<meamy> JuJuBee i had the same problem with that busbox shell you must restart the nbd-server after you create a new image so that he reads in the configuration corretly
14:54	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: it is off network now. No internet connection.
14:54	Also behind a firewall that prevents unwanted connections...
14:55	I did restart the server completely after all of this. I will try again.
14:59	Same problem.
15:00	syslog shows nbd-server negotiation failed... exiting during the client boot before client displays busybox
15:00	Hyperbyte: only way to grant you access is something like teamviewer
15:02	<meamy> JuJuBee jep after do /etc/init.d/nbd-server restart that was working for me
15:02	<JuJuBee> not me
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15:09	<meamy> JuJuBee ok maybee you have to restart the nbd-server after you boot the client (i spent around 3 hours to finde a workthrough for that problem but i still not realy under stand this bug or what ever that is) you get a message that that is a bit harsh but in the next reboot of the client its magically working. thats my last guess otherwise i would recommend to give Hyperbyte access
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15:37	<yopla> Hello, team. Any idea on how to tweak config files to have a custom list of desktop session ?
15:37	in ldm
15:41	<\|\|cw> same way as a standalone host
15:42	ldm just uses the standard session profiles, same as gdm or kdm
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15:48	<yopla> Thank you. have to restart inetd or somethhing with ldminfod ?
15:57	Just played with /usr/share/xsession folder. This work as expected. Thankyou
16:03	<meamy> any ideas how I can prevent that i need do build the hole image for every little change i do on the chroot? i am testing desktop environments and graphic drivers so it has to be persistent (is there a cool way for example to modify the squashfs on the fly so that i do have rebuild it all the time)
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16:19	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: I think I am ready to give you access. PM?
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18:02	<Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, I'll be home in a bit.
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18:20	<ltspuser_53> Hi. i am going to deploy a ltsp server. Do i need high graphic resources in the server like a powerful graphic card?
18:20	<muppis> Nope.
18:20	<ltspuser_53> ok. thanks, so i suppose that the graphic workload is on the client
18:21	<muppis> yes.
18:21	<ltspuser_53> thanks
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18:36	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: ok
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18:58	<Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, hi!
18:59	<JuJuBee> hi
18:59	pm?
18:59	<Hyperbyte> Sure.
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19:10	<Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, wait, you wanted thin clients, right?
19:10	So this is right.
19:10	I was wondering.
19:10	Why amd64?
19:10	And why not i386?
19:12	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: I was looking to do thin at first
19:12	<Hyperbyte> What's your client hardware? CPU/RAM?
19:12	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: my client computers are all dual core and quad core. I wasn't thinking that the processors come from server
19:13	<Hyperbyte> With thin clients, all computing is done on the server and clients are just terminals.
19:13	<JuJuBee> I have 2 possible computers. A core 2 duo 2.6 with 4G ram or possibly quad core 3.26 with 8G ram
19:13	<Hyperbyte> With fat clients, all computing is done locally and they're just netbooting computers.
19:13	Hah
19:13	Either of those are more than enough for fat clients.
19:13	<JuJuBee> I get that now.
19:13	<Hyperbyte> Okay
19:14	<JuJuBee> OK, so should we re-build the client as --fat-client ?
19:14	<Hyperbyte> So - you can do two things.
19:14	<JuJuBee> or can we get things working with thin for now
19:14	<\|\|cw> for core2 or better? certainly. you'll get better graphics performance from it too
19:14	<Hyperbyte> No, do it right at once please. :)
19:14	Two possibilities:
19:14	1. install regular LTSP, build a fat client, maintain it via console
19:15	2. install LTSP PNP, build a fat client from the host OS, maintain it graphically
19:15	<JuJuBee> do I need to uninstall ltsp-server-standalone?
19:15	<Hyperbyte> The 2nd one is much easier, but it's really only feasible if you have a dedicated LTSP machine, or, run your terminal server inside a VM
19:15	<JuJuBee> I don't mind console
19:16	<Hyperbyte> Okay, let's see.
19:16	<JuJuBee> Only have 1 server
19:16	<Hyperbyte> This server is connected to the main network, right?
19:16	<JuJuBee> Yes
19:16	<Hyperbyte> It's doing dhcpd also I see.
19:16	<JuJuBee> yes, i turned off my main dhcp server for this test
19:16	<otwieracz> knipwim: ping
19:17	<Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, okay.
19:17	See those two lines, the option root-path and filename bits?
19:17	<JuJuBee> yes
19:17	<Hyperbyte> If you insert those in your main server's dhcp config, thin clients will work. Those are the only two lines that LTSP needs.
19:17	(from dhcp, anyways)
19:18	But we'll leave it like this for now.
19:18	<vagrantc> there's nothing preventing one from using LTSP-PNP for amd64 fatclients, and still running an i386 thin-client (or fat) chroot for the i386 machines?
19:18	<Hyperbyte> Eventually you wanted to make the LTSP machine the new main server, right? So it shouldn't hurt.
19:18	<JuJuBee> Yes
19:18	<Hyperbyte> vagrantc, I imagine LTSP-PNP might be a bit impractical on your main network server?
19:19	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: what is the root-path option for?
19:19	<Hyperbyte> vagrantc, with server config files and everything?
19:19	<vagrantc> Hyperbyte: nothing that should prevent it in theory
19:20	<Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, it specifies the path to the network boot image on the tftp server. root-path specifies the path on the NBD server, the Linux image.
19:20	vagrantc, in theory true. I'm assuming it would be a pain though, to constantly make sure you don't end up with server configuration on clients?
19:20	<JuJuBee> Ah, so it is currently incorrect.
19:20	<Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, nice catch. It is.
19:21	<knipwim> otwieracz: finishing some other stuff, ready in about 5 min
19:21	<vagrantc> Hyperbyte: a few key excludes, and for all i know, alkisg already put them in :)
19:24	<otwieracz> knipwim: OK
19:25	<alkisg> One can always use a "template client" to host ltsp-pnp...
19:25	And have LDM_SERVER=the other server, with apache, ldap, whatever
19:28	<Hyperbyte> I would just create a VM. But that's me. :)
19:28	<alkisg> Sure, that would do too, if there's no need for client -specific drivers, like nvidia
19:33	<Hyperbyte> alkisg, what's preferred way to build a fat client on regular ltsp?
19:34	ltsp-build-client --fat-client I've seen mentioned here once
19:34	<alkisg> !fatclients
19:34	<ltsp> fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
19:34	<otwieracz> knipwim: I've fixed:
19:34	<Hyperbyte> Some howto describes ltsp-build-client.conf file
19:34	<otwieracz> Jan 15 20:31:31 euclid xinetd[2166]: START: ldminfod pid=2550 from=10.10.1.148
19:34	Jan 15 20:31:31 euclid xinetd[2166]: EXIT: ldminfod status=1 pid=2550 duration=0(sec)
19:34	(now EXIT status=0)
19:34	<vagrantc> oh xinetd...
19:34	<alkisg> Hyperbyte: that what I've written before ltsp-pnp, now I no longer use ltsp-build-client
19:34	<otwieracz> But still only blinking _ instead of LDM.
19:34	<knipwim> otwieracz: was that the cause of a problem?
19:34	<alkisg> (and that wiki page was heavily modified by others)
19:34	<otwieracz> knipwim: no.
19:35	<knipwim> otwieracz: ok, you've created a chroot, you can boot this over nfs, but x is not starting?
19:35	<otwieracz> Yes.
19:35	Looks like.
19:35	<knipwim> or is x starting but not ldm
19:36	<otwieracz> Continous ldminfod messages in daemon logs
19:37	wait a second.
19:38	<knipwim> otwieracz: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LTSP#NFS_and_Xinetd
19:38	check the allow from
19:38	<otwieracz> I've done it.
19:38	As you see, ldminfod is executed.
19:38	with exit status 0
19:39	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: this will take some time...
19:39	<otwieracz> http://wklej.org/hash/eec1e85baef/
19:39	knipwim: I think no X at all.
19:40	Last two lines repeats every ~15 seconds.
19:40	<knipwim> i got status=1 everywhere
19:41	<otwieracz> And everything works for you?
19:41	<knipwim> yes
19:41	<otwieracz> lol
19:41	So do this:
19:41	<knipwim> i don't even know whats going on, never had that problem
19:41	<otwieracz> server = /usr/bin/python2
19:41	server_args = /usr/sbin/ldminfod
19:41	instead of
19:41	server = /usr/sbin/ldminfod
19:42	However – I still do not know how LDM even looks.
19:42	Have any ideas?
19:43	<alkisg> Hyperbyte: greek schools e.g. have apache, php, mysql, mahara, 5 gb of educational software, ltsp, dnsmasq, drivers for interactive whiteboards etc etc, and they're using ltsp-pnp without any additional configuration
19:43	<JuJuBee> alkisg: what is pnp?
19:43	<alkisg> So having ltsp-pnp on your main server shouldn't be a problem... and if it is, just mention the needed excludes so that we push them upstream
19:43	!ltsp-pnp
19:43	<ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
19:44	<JuJuBee> Thanks,
19:44	<knipwim> otwieracz: setup the chroot to start sshd at boot time, you can log in after it boots and see what happens on the client
19:44	otwieracz: first turn off the client
19:45	ltsp-chroot --arch=i686 --mount-all
19:45	<otwieracz> I can not do the same with keyboard and monitor?
19:45	Ok, i've done it
19:45	ssh is enabled by default.
19:45	But there is no net script.
19:45	<knipwim> no worries
19:45	i guess, it always worked for me
19:45	<otwieracz> OK, I'm in chroot env.
19:46	<knipwim> chroot# rc-update add sshd default
19:46	you have to touch some file
19:46	and then do the rc-update again
19:49	<otwieracz> done.
19:49	(i do not need to touch anything)
19:49	boot?
19:50	<knipwim> first exit the chroot
19:50	<otwieracz> ok
19:51	knipwim: Nope, ssh did not started.
19:52	sshd need non-existant service net
19:53	<knipwim> hmmm
19:54	<otwieracz> Something is not out of box for me…
19:54	:(
19:54	<knipwim> could you pastebin (or something) the kicktoo profile you used and the ltsp-build-client.conf ?
19:55	i'll try to recreate the environment
19:55	o yes, and the date of your stage3 file
19:56	<otwieracz> OK, wait a second
19:56	stage3 placed in chroot?
19:56	(tarball)
19:58	<knipwim> no hurries
19:58	yeah, probably /opt/ltsp/i686/stage3-....
19:59	if i have the date, i'll download the same
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19:59	<knipwim> i've had a lot of issues due to bugs in stage files
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20:55	<otwieracz> Sorry for delay, I'm in work now for a wile.
20:59	<knipwim> otwieracz: ok
21:00	i'm off to bed
21:00	but you can pm me the file urls
21:00	<otwieracz> ok
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21:49	<Hyperbyte> JuJuBee, don't forget. :-)
21:50	!worldmap
21:50	<ltsp> worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
21:53	<JuJuBee> What version did I install?
21:56	<Hyperbyte> dpkg -l ltsp-server-standalone
21:57	<JuJuBee> Cool, thanks
21:58	<vagrantc> ltsp-info
21:58	will also give usefull information
21:58	or should :)
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22:01	<Hyperbyte> Hah
22:02	:)
22:02	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: If I am installing some software should that prevent client from booting?
22:03	I rebooted my client and got the busybox again...
22:07	<Hyperbyte> More likely you're messed up the dhcpd config. :-)
22:08	Or I have, let's not rule that possibility out. :P
22:09	Put your dhcpd.conf on !pastebin
22:11	<JuJuBee> ok, need to log out to move to different computer...
22:11	Brb.
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22:12	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: http://pastebin.com/fmxfZMmv
22:14	Hyperbyte: also got http://pastebin.com/GRCEHTZU after trying to install some software
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22:14	<Hyperbyte> Busybox shell means only one thing: your client couldn't mount it's filesystem
22:14	!quiet-splash
22:14	<ltsp> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
22:14	<Hyperbyte> Do that, see if there's some errors
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22:17	<JuJuBee> Hyperbyte: from which line? there are several instances.... label ltsp-NBD label ltsp-NFS etc...?
22:17	<Hyperbyte> One is default, should also be specified in that file
22:17	That's the one it's loading
22:17	ps aux \| grep nbd
22:17	Is the nbd service started?
22:17	<JuJuBee> Ah -NBD
22:18	restarting just in case
22:20	<Hyperbyte> You know what!
22:20	Let's continue this tomorrow. :)
22:20	I won't disappear, neither will LTSP :)
22:20	<JuJuBee> OK how do I get the output to you
22:21	<Hyperbyte> I can log in again tomorrow if you wish. :)
22:21	Right now it's 23:21... I should sleep a bit for a change. :)
22:21	<JuJuBee> Wow. Yes.
22:21	<Hyperbyte> G'night. :)
22:21	Catch me tomorrow. :)
22:21	<JuJuBee> I am in my classroom at 7am EST (NY) I will look tomorrow.
22:21	<Hyperbyte> 7am?
22:21	Now that is wow!
22:22	:)
22:22	<JuJuBee> See you tomorrow
22:22	<Hyperbyte> Bye!
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