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| 08:10 | <alkisg> cyberorg: here? about https://bugs.launchpad.net/epoptes/+bug/1501747, can't we just test for " /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/tigervnc.mo" ?
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| 08:14 | <cyberorg> alkisg, hi, yes, bit ugly though
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| 08:15 | <alkisg> We don't have any alternative though, other than breaking tightvnc on debian
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| 08:15 | So until all the vnc viewers manage to have a consistent command line, or fix their names in their packages, that's all we can do...
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| 08:16 | <cyberorg> as mentioned, there is no other vncviewer available so last patch is cleaner
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| 08:17 | ok, i can send you new patch that checks for .mo
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| 08:17 | <alkisg> cyberorg: the last patch breaks debian, I can't accept it
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| 08:17 | Thanks!
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| 08:20 | cyberorg: it's also OK for me if you test for any file that exists only on centos/rhel etc
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| 08:20 | E.g. "if [ -f /etc/fedora ] ..."
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| 08:20 | Like /etc/debian_version for debian derivatives
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| 08:22 | <cyberorg> we got rid of etc/SUSE-release, now there is only /etc/os-release, other distros would also probably follow that
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| 08:23 | we don't have /etc/*version
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| 08:24 | <alkisg> Any file... e.g. /usr/share/suse-something, not only in /etc
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| 08:27 | <cyberorg> alkisg, all distros will have different things, .mo file is fine, it is here in all distros
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| 08:27 | http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/os-release.html
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> cyberorg: if you have a "grep XXX /etc/os-release" command that works for you, it's fine for me too
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| 08:35 | <cyberorg> for debian package you can probably get package maintainer to add tigervnc deps?
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| 08:46 | <alkisg> cyberorg: tigervnc is not in debian
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| 08:46 | I don't understand what deps you're talking about...
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| 08:46 | http://packages.debian.org/tigervnc
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| 08:47 | ==> not there
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| 08:47 | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=vnc ==> all packages that relate to vnc
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| 08:48 | <cyberorg> oh ok, then lets just go with .mo file check otherwise it becomes too many "if" tests for rpm distros
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| 08:49 | <alkisg> Cool, please do send a patch for that
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| 08:49 | <cyberorg> already did :)
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| 10:07 | <alkisg> cyberorg: committed, thanks!
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| 10:08 | <cyberorg> alkisg, you're welcome :)
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| 11:03 | <liam> Hello, is there anybody who has had experience with PiNet or using LTSP on raspberry PIs?
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| 11:09 | <work_alkisg> !raspberrypi
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| 11:09 | <ltsp> raspberrypi: (#1) Ubuntu/LTSP on Pi 2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/RaspberryPi, or (#2) Debian/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://cascadia.debian.net/trenza/Documentation/raspberrypi-ltsp-howto/, or (#3) unofficial Ubuntu/LTSP (with raspbian chroot) on Pi: http://pinet.org.uk/
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| 11:09 | <work_alkisg> liam: see this ^
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| 11:15 | <muppis_> We just ordered few Rpi 2 for demo purposes of method #1.
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| 11:17 | But no idea when they'll arrive as we're having a strike in post office so everything is delayed.
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| 11:25 | * work_alkisg has 2 rpi2's to sell as he got disappointed by their performance :D | |
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| 11:32 | <liam> Yeah i was wondering if anybody has used #3 with the lite install of raspbian rather than the full desktop version
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| 11:34 | i have 28 raspberry pis which all run raspbian standard install without the desktop. all these pis do is run a script on startup which starts omxplayer
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| 11:37 | <work_alkisg> liam: gbaman said that for support for #3, you're supposed to mail him
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| 11:38 | This channel supports #1 and #2
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| 11:55 | <liam> ok no problems. thanks
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| 12:03 | <profinf> hola
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| 12:15 | <Keskitalo> Hi, work at a school, and we have HP Multiseat MS6200 with t100 thin clients with Windows Multipoint Server 2011. The support has ended for these, and I'm researching if there's a Linux solution to keep using the hardware.
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| 12:16 | Can LTSP be used on HP Multiseat & thin clients (connected with USB)?
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| 12:27 | <Keskitalo> I'm browsing through the logs now though (I figured how to search them :)), looks like LTSP isn't an option for the thin client setup?
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| 12:28 | Or a multiseat setup (not sure about the terminology :))
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| 12:29 | And the Linux-flavoured option for them would be Userful
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| 12:38 | <quinox1> LTSP does both thin and fat client setup, but I don't know how it works with your HPs
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| 12:43 | <Keskitalo> The clients connect to the server with USB, it looks like this type of setup is not supported?
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| 12:43 | <alkisg> Keskitalo: indeed, ltsp needs linux to be running on the clients
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| 12:44 | It doesn't support zero clients
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| 12:44 | <Keskitalo> All right, good to know. Thank you!
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| 12:50 | <kostas_> hi everyone, I have an I3 with 8GB ram, 128GB sdd! I'd like to install a thin client server on that and have 4 thin clients for family members at home! I'll use ltsp and the clients won't have hdd's, must dvds for writing/reading. has anyone experience with performance on the server side? is this a viable option to run office applications, videop playback up to 720p, web browsers! no resource hungy games or videoediting, just some old school
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| 12:50 | 16bit console emulation like snes
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| 12:59 | <alkisg> kostas_: what are your client specs?
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| 13:02 | <kostas_> pentium 4's with 1GB Ram and 256MB Graphic cards
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| 13:02 | I might find newer machines but thats the minimum I'll get
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| 13:03 | <alkisg> it's probably better to run them as diskless ltsp fat clients
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| 13:03 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 13:03 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> let me also get you the greek page for ltsp...
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| 13:04 | http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/Linux/LTSP
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| 13:04 | <alkisg> You can follow the 7 steps listed there, and get sch-scripts and epoptes as an additional bonus :)
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| 13:05 | <kostas_> alkisg: thank you! I'm a high school teacher so I'm very familiar with SCH.GR... but I was looking for something more server side! I'm not sure the thin clients will run vlc efficiently
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> !flash
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| 13:06 | <ltsp> flash: Yes, flash sucks. An HD full screen 30 fps video needs 2.5 Gbps bandwidth (1920×1080×4×30)! Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like http://linterna-magica.nongnu.org
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| 13:06 | <alkisg> thin clients need gbps of bandwidth
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| 13:06 | fat clients need 1 mbps or so for vlc
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| 13:06 | pentium 4's are good enough for vlc, they may have problem with fullscreen youtube
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| 13:07 | But thin clients can't cope with fullscreen youtube either
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| 13:07 | <kostas_> so it's a dead end with multimedia?
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| 13:08 | <alkisg> In schools we only run some ancient pentium 4's as thin clients
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| 13:08 | P4 @ 1.7 GHz etc
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| 13:08 | Newer pentium 4's, at 3 GHz etc, are always run as fat clients
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| 13:08 | Also I assume that your clients don't have gigabit networking, right?
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| 13:09 | <kostas_> they have! I got some newer etherne cards on them
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> Hmm that's a plus for running them as thin clients
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| 13:09 | Do you remember the GHz of their CPUs?
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| 13:09 | <kostas_> humble 1,7
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> (and I assume you also have a gigabit switch then, right?)
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| 13:10 | <kostas_> yes, of course
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| 13:10 | <alkisg> OK, if they're 1.7 then follow the ltsp-pnp page and then put LTSP_FATCLIENT=False in lts.conf
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| 13:10 | So that you run them as thin clients
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| 13:10 | And if you don't like it, remove LTSP_FATCLIENT=False and they're thin again
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| 13:10 | *fat again
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| 13:10 | <kostas_> what if I use Raspberry Pi's instead? I have to B+ models at home...
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| 13:11 | <alkisg> http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=6441.0
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| 13:11 | I added support for raspberry pi 2's, but people that tried it regretted it (and I notified them not to try it :))
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| 13:12 | They're similar to your P4's
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| 13:12 | They make ok thin clients, but not good fat clients
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| 13:12 | Good fat clients need at least 1000-1500 score in cpubenchmark.net
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| 13:13 | <kostas_> my pi's are B+ so no 1Ghz or 1GB Ram here!
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| 13:13 | <alkisg> Ah, even worse then
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| 13:14 | <kostas_> the guide is excellent! I'll have to read that through
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> Use the ts.sch.gr guide, not the one from the forum
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| 13:15 | <muppis> alkisg, do you mean that url you pasted latest or something else?
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| 13:16 | <kostas_> both... I'll go throuh both link you sent me!
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| 13:16 | <alkisg> muppis: the main link for greek people trying out ltsp is http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/Linux/LTSP
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| 13:17 | The second one points to a forum that I maintain for greek IT teachers, where we solve LTSP issues before publishing them to the wiki later on
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| 13:18 | <kostas_> are you part of the team that developed epoptes?
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Yup, epoptes, ltsp and sch-scripts
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> (and some other greek-only apps)
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| 13:19 | Did you say you're a teacher? An IT one?
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| 13:20 | <kostas_> man, excellent work!! I met one your guys in Thessalonki, we were studying at the Open University of Cyprus! I loved your work
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| 13:20 | <alkisg> Thank you! :)
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| 13:25 | <kostas_> thank you for your help, I'll have a lot to read about...
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> If you blindly follow the wiki steps, you'll be done in 1 hour
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| 13:25 | You can select between thin/fat later with a single line in lts.conf
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| 13:26 | <kostas_> ok, I'll do that
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| 15:50 | <markit> hi work_alkisg :) tried benchmark of epoptes in the lab, with client everything ok, with 18 it has started to have clients disappera from epoptes (but they are still on) and KDE with notification of they "turn off" in the server
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| 15:50 | 0.5.8-1~ubuntu14.04.1 here
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| 15:51 | I've only 20 minutes, I don't need this feature but if you want me to help with some test you are welcome
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> Hi markit
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| 15:51 | We've implemented epoptes reconnections, they're available in the epoptes proposed ppa
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| 15:52 | What did the benchmark show? Good network speed?
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| 15:52 | <markit> with one client is 990MB/s from the client and 330 from the server (is in boud, so strange isn't it?)
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| 15:52 | seems the test crashed epoptes client one by one
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> !vnc-dide
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| 15:53 | <ltsp> vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> Let me have a look ^
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| 15:53 | <markit> alkisg: do you want to reboot all the clients so you can see them in epoptes server window?
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> A couple of them, yes please
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| 15:53 | Or all of them :)
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| 15:54 | <markit> let's do all, hold on
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| 15:54 | <markit> x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr as SUDO?
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> No need for sudo
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| 15:56 | <markit> I've found the problem
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| 15:56 | is one ethernet nic :(
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| 15:56 | alkisg: no need to go further
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| 15:56 | thought was fixed with kernel 4.2
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| 15:56 | but seems not, when in high load :(
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| 15:56 | <alkisg> Let's update epoptes any way
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| 15:57 | <markit> but I've tons of kde packates needing update, you have to do only for epoptes
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| 15:58 | in other tabs of terminal you are sudo
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> ok, but now you need to restart the clients and the epoptes gui
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| 15:59 | <markit> >) yes I know the risk ;P
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> Then do a network benchmark and let's see the results together
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| 15:59 | <markit> ok, but I have to disable secondo nic of the bound
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| 15:59 | it does not work, if you see the kernel.log
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> ok
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| 16:01 | <markit> I'd better reboot
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| 16:01 | be back soon
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| 16:06 | <markit> back alkisg
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> ok
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| 16:06 | go for network benchmark
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| 16:07 | <markit> btw, there are 2 istances of epotes now on the task bar
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> ...just close one of them :)
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| 16:08 | 950 mbps is fine for 1 nic
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| 16:08 | and no client disconnected
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| 16:09 | <markit> yes, the problem is with the realtek nic
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| 16:09 | does not work anymore since kernel whatIcantremember
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> kernel 4.2 on ubuntu 14.4?
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| 16:10 | heh, you play with your kernels :)
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| 16:10 | <markit> just a test to see if 4.2 fixed the problem
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| 16:10 | <markit> in fact was much better, no hang at restart
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| 16:10 | like with 3.19 or whatever
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> I didn't have any issues with bonding with realtek in 3.2 ... 3.13 kernel
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| 16:10 | <markit> but with benchmark test of epoptes, it frooze again
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> what froze? your GUI?
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| 16:11 | <markit> no, the eth1
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> I have bond-mode balance-tlb in my notes
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| 16:13 | I don't know if it makes it any better than balance-rr that you're using
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| 16:13 | And I also have a "metric 500" before that
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| 16:14 | If they don't help, i don't know anything else to help you about that :)
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| 16:14 | <markit> let me show you messages in kernel.log
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| 16:14 | those lines you see
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| 16:15 | seems to be a known kernel bug with realtek
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| 16:15 | btw. I have to start a respberry programming class in 15 minutes time
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| 16:15 | I'll try to buy a Intel nic, like eth2 is
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> markit: since epoptes is fine, the kernel bug is all yours to handle! :)
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| 16:18 | <markit> sure, thanks A LOT
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| 16:18 | see you :)))
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