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Channel log from 14 February 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:20 | <senthil> how can find out option-129 "NIC=" parameter client sie;
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| 00:27 | <MacIver> realtek should be pci, you are having that error for some other reason...
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| 00:58 | <senthil> how to configure option option-129 'NIC='
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| 00:58 | allow bootp;
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| 02:12 | <tuukka> hi! i have following setup: gutsy with ad authentication ... i have succesfully managed to get local devices to work on thin clients, but each time i restart the server i have to open up file /etc/udev/rules.d/45-fuse.rules and save the file and restart udev ... if i don't do this then the local devices don't work at all on clients! any ideas??
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| 02:13 | oh and fuse.rules properly shows that the group i want to give the local dev rights is 'unixdevices' so it doesn't lose the contents of the file...
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| 03:16 | <shamot> Hi there. I need a little push, I configured XSERVER in lts.conf but I need to find out if it works fine, I want to take a look at Xorg.0.log but I dont know how/where.
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| 03:17 | <johnny> set a password on the chroot
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| 03:17 | and then rebuild the image if necessary
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| 03:17 | after that, boot a client, and then you can go to the terminal and check what's actually executing on the machine itsel
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| 03:18 | <shamot> so if I change lts.conf it it necessary to rebuild the image?
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| 03:18 | <johnny> no
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| 03:18 | well not if it's outside the chroot
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| 03:18 | if it is inside, then yes
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| 03:18 | but setting the password is the important thing
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| 03:19 | <shamot> and how do I manage that?
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| 03:20 | <johnny> i just told you
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| 03:20 | set a password inside the chroot
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| 03:20 | and then rebuild the image
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| 03:21 | <shamot> ok, I am going to try it, thanks
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| 04:23 | <Pascal_1> hello
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| 04:49 | <Pascal_1> i've got a lttle problem, when i m connecting on the thin client i've got the good keybord on the graphical interface (lts.conf), but when i go on the console (ctrl + alt + f1) the keyboard is qwerty but i want azerty. then on the ltsp server i do chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 and dpkg-reconfigure console-data, i reboot the client but the keyboard is always qwerty. what is the problem ?
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| 04:51 | an other question is when i'm logged on the thin client what is the way to switch off the client ? there is no link
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| 05:08 | <tuukka> Pascal_1: i'm not the best person to answer but i'll try ... thin clients (at least on edubuntu) don't allow you to switch off client without first logging off. after you log off, you should have 'preferences' on down-left which has the option to shutdown etc...
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| 05:09 | <Pascal_1> ok thanks !!
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| 05:09 | i try
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| 05:10 | <ogra> Pascal_1, there is no problem, thats by design :) .... if you switch to console you actually switch to the clients console which is usually locked by default, and has no accounts, so we dont configure it
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| 05:10 | <johnny> hmm.. that causes a problem with autologin tho
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| 05:11 | <ogra> ??
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| 05:11 | <johnny> if you get autologged in, you can't shut it down :)
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| 05:11 | <ogra> right
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| 05:11 | <Pascal_1> ogra you speak about console-data ?
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| 05:11 | <ogra> johnny, i wrote a small wikipage about that somewhere with an example of a shutdown script
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| 05:12 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPClientShutdownReboot there it is
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| 05:13 | note that a real shutdown script should be a bit bigger and care for cleaning up all the cruft before blindly shutting down, else you will have a ton of leftovers
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| 05:14 | its only proof of concept stuff
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| 05:14 | Pascal_1, you can change the console-data setup in the chroot if you need to :)
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| 05:14 | <johnny> i'm running into more problems with sabayon in 2.22
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| 05:14 | or 2.21 thatis
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| 05:14 | <ogra> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh console-data i think
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| 05:15 | johnny, file bugs please
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| 05:15 | <Pascal_1> that what i do but it doesnt works
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| 05:15 | <johnny> with who? :)
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| 05:15 | <Pascal_1> root
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| 05:15 | <ogra> i can only work on stuff for which bugs exist from today on
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| 05:15 | <Pascal_1> i activate root
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| 05:15 | <ogra> LP
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| 05:15 | <johnny> why would i file bugs in launchpad?
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| 05:15 | the issues are with gnome
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| 05:15 | not ubuntu
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| 05:15 | <ogra> Pascal_1, its not supposed, to, find out why and file me a bug and i can change it :)
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| 05:16 | normal users will usually never see the client console
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| 05:17 | <johnny> the issues are replicated on my gentoo and ubuntu installs
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| 05:18 | one bug is filed, the other i'm doing more research on
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| 05:18 | <ogra> johnny, gnome packages are available in LP as well
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| 05:19 | indeed, if you can get the fixes upstream in time thats better
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| 05:20 | but if not, LP is the shorter way to get them in
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| 05:20 | <johnny> the problems will have to be fixed
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| 05:20 | one is with gvfs itself
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| 05:20 | <ogra> (i think upstream faces a freeze as well very soon)
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| 05:20 | <johnny> upstream can't release in this state
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| 05:20 | imo
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| 05:20 | <ogra> what ahs gvfs to do with sabayon ?
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| 05:21 | +has
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| 05:21 | <johnny> yeah.. it's fun :)
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| 05:21 | start a sabayon session
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| 05:21 | save it
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| 05:21 | close the window, and you get an error
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| 05:21 | it can't clear out the homedir cuz ~/.gvfs is mounted
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| 05:22 | killing gvfsd doesn't unmount them either
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| 05:23 | the other bug is with xnest and gnome-settings-daemon, and that bug is filed
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| 05:23 | one of the maintainers said he will look at it tomorrow
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| 05:23 | <ogra> well, hardy wont have xnest i think
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| 05:24 | (not sure even gutsy had it, upstream is pushing for xephyr)
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| 05:24 | <johnny> it's a bit late in gnome feature freeze
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| 05:24 | to use xephyr
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| 05:25 | <ogra> hmm, right, we still have it
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| 05:25 | even in main
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| 05:25 | weird
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| 05:25 | since feisty nobody in ubuntu land is using xnest anymore
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| 05:25 | <johnny> gdmflexiserver --xnest ?
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| 05:25 | <ogra> i would have assumed our package selection would reflect that
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| 05:25 | i meant devs :)
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| 05:26 | <johnny> well gdm still uses it
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| 05:26 | in a very useful way
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| 05:26 | <ogra> g-s-d might even be an X issue
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| 05:26 | <johnny> perhaps.
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| 05:26 | i'm going to talk to federico about xephyr
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| 05:27 | <ogra> given that the keyboard handling changed compeltely
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| 05:27 | <johnny> we may have to get a freeze exception on their side as well
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| 05:27 | <ogra> not sure how hard *that* is :)
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| 05:28 | <johnny> are you interested in working on specific bugs other than those/
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| 05:28 | <johnny> i have a few that i consider important
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| 05:29 | <johnny> tryin to get the thing running has taken away hacking time :)
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| 05:29 | i do have a hardy vm tho
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| 05:29 | so i can do testing
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| 05:29 | altho i'm having trouble with the virtualbox additions working
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| 05:29 | don't have the easy cursor thing going
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| 05:30 | and very low res
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| 05:30 | but i do see vbox-add in lsmod
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| 05:30 | so something is there
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| 05:31 | ogra, but the gvfs thing needs to be fixed
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| 05:31 | i'm not sure if we should add specific code to sabayon to unmount it
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| 05:31 | <ogra> did you talk to seb128 ?
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| 05:31 | <johnny> i will be
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| 05:31 | i just figured it out tonight
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| 05:32 | <ogra> i can imagine that can also cause issues with nfs mounted homedirs and the like
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| 05:32 | <johnny> there are too many open issues that i consider show stoppers for gvfs
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| 05:32 | just by reading the bug list
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| 05:32 | the networking stuff is hardly integrated
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| 05:33 | <ogra> according to seb the only thing ot working is ftp afaik
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| 05:33 | at least thats what he said in a meeting recently
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| 05:33 | <johnny> take a look http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query=product:gvfs
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| 05:41 | maybe i'll sleep now..
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| 06:33 | <senthil> i m using pci card but i am facing this error
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| 06:33 | ERROR! Could not automatically detect the network card.
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| 06:33 | PCI cards should be detected automatically.
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| 06:33 | ISA cards cannot be detected, so they require
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| 06:33 | the nic driver to be specified in a 'NIC=' parameter
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| 06:33 | to be passed on the kernel command line,
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| 06:33 | usually specified in option-129, in the
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| 06:33 | /etc/dhcpd.conf file. See the LTSP docs for more info.
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| 06:34 | can any one help me
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| 06:34 | <ogra> !pastebot
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| 06:34 | <ltspbot> ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 06:48 | <ogra> senthil, that looks like amessage from ltsp 4.x ... might be that there is no support for your card in the 4.x kernel
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| 06:49 | (its pretty old)
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| 06:58 | <Pascal_1> does avahi-daemon is usefull for ltsp or i can deactivate it ?
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| 07:00 | <ogra> on the server ?
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| 07:00 | <Pascal_1> yes ?
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| 07:00 | <ogra> its used by some apps if you enable their sharing capability
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| 07:00 | but wont be used by default for anything
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| 07:00 | <Pascal_1> i think is responsible of the speed of the network : very slow
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| 07:01 | <ogra> it doesnt do anything
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| 07:01 | apart from sitting in some bytes of RAM
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| 07:03 | (as long as you dont enable rhythmbox or totem filesharing indeed)
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| 07:04 | <Pascal_1> i desactivate it my network is faster
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| 07:04 | !!!
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| 07:04 | <ltspbot> Pascal_1: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
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| 07:05 | <ogra> do you have users on that system ? or are you the only one ?
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| 07:07 | (every user can enable filesharing in rhythmbox)
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| 07:11 | <Pascal_1> this system is the ltsp server
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| 07:12 | <ogra> where your users sessions run, yes
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| 07:12 | <Pascal_1> yes
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| 07:13 | <ogra> so if you have two users sharing their music you indeed have extra traffic, that could cause a slowdown
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| 07:14 | (even though using DAAP sharing on a host where everythng is local anyway is silly)
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| 07:14 | (but your users might not know :) )
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| 07:27 | <cliebow_> senthil:still having trouble with that rtl8139?
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| 07:30 | <senthil> s
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| 07:31 | <cliebow_> i dont know if ubuntu respects option 128 and 129 in dhcpd.conf
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| 07:33 | <senthil> that is only for ISA card
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| 07:34 | <cliebow_> no..i dont think so..
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| 08:02 | <ikonia> moquist: are you free for another moment please.
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| 08:08 | <moldy> hi
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| 08:08 | is there any good mechanism for configuring a "default" user account, i.e. to define settings for newly created users?
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| 08:09 | something that works for desktop environments too? /etc/skel does not really allow to pre-configure e.g. kde, does it?
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| 08:15 | <cliebow_> moldy: i use skel for a lot of default stuff like firefox and ooo...
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| 08:19 | <moldy> cliebow_: hm
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| 08:20 | cliebow_: how do you do that? create a user, configure the defaults and copy the stuff into skel?
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| 08:22 | <cliebow_> yeah..
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| 08:22 | <moldy> cliebow_: hm.
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| 08:23 | cliebow_: i am afraid that this might not work for some things, because stuff like the uid will be hardcoded into the files
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| 08:23 | cliebow_: but i did not actually try yet
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| 08:24 | <cliebow_> i am unsure about kde stuff..
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| 08:24 | <moldy> i am going to need damn good pre-configuration to avoid the mob lynching me for abandoning windows :p
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| 08:25 | <cliebow_> heh,,i been five years under the gun
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| 08:26 | <moldy> another question: can i configure the login manager?
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| 08:26 | language and default session
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| 08:27 | <cliebow_> using ldm?best ask Gadi when he popsin..
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| 08:28 | <moldy> which audio packages do i need to install on the server?
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| 08:28 | so far, pulseaudio fails to start via the init script
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| 08:33 | hmm.... how does basic sound work in ltsp?
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| 08:33 | so far i am not able to get sound even on the server locally
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| 08:33 | ich pack mich mal in die pulse gruppe
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| 08:34 | *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to connect: Access denied
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| 08:34 | auch wenn ich in der pulse gruppe bin
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| 08:34 | oops sorry wrong channel
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| 08:34 | <cliebow_> moldy:afraid i am not much help...
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| 08:34 | <moldy> cliebow_: ah well, thanks
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| 08:39 | <Gadi> moldy: we use pulseaudio for sound in LTSP5: a pulseaudio daemon runs on the thin client and on the server, the appropriate environment variables are set upon login so apps using pulse point to the thin client
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| 08:40 | now, we also set up a virtual alsa device
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| 08:40 | <moldy> Gadi: ok, good
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> that is really a fake-sound card called "pulse"
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| 08:40 | <Gadi> so, anything that uses alsa should play to that "soundcard"
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| 08:40 | which really redirects audio across to the client
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| 08:41 | <Gadi> now, in kde, that probably requires getting artsd to use the "pulse" sound card
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| 08:41 | <moldy> Gadi: on the server, i cannot run alsamixer. on the client, it works. is this "right"?
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| 08:41 | <Gadi> yes
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| 08:41 | <moldy> ok
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| 08:41 | is there a simple app i can use to test sound?
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| 08:41 | <Gadi> alsamixer on the server will prolly point to the server's soundcard or fail if it does not exist
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| 08:42 | well, there's another piece you should know
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| 08:42 | <moldy> alsamixer gets a permission denied error from pulse on the server
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| 08:42 | <Gadi> in your /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ dir, there should be a script that sets the "pulse" soundcard as the default upon login
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| 08:43 | hmm
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| 08:43 | <moldy> Gadi: http://phpfi.com/296413 = contents of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/Xsession.d/
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> no not the chroot's Xsession.d
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| 08:44 | the *server's*
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| 08:44 | <moldy> ah ok
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> also, try downloading: pulseaudio-utils
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| 08:45 | er, installing
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| 08:45 | on the server
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| 08:45 | <moldy> there is an 80_ltsp-sound
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| 08:45 | Gadi: they are installed
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| 08:45 | <Gadi> ok, can you: paplay <some wav file>
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| 08:46 | <moldy> looking for a .wav file...
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| 08:47 | <Gadi> check /usr/share/sounds
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| 08:47 | <moldy> Gadi: no error message
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| 08:47 | not sure if my hardware is setup right :p
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> did you set it up so you can get to a shell on the client?
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| 08:48 | <moldy> hah, it works! thanks Gadi
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> well, we're not out of the woods yet
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| 08:48 | that just means a pulseaudio client works
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| 08:48 | <moldy> hehe ok. so, paplay works.
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> so, you have 2 options at this point:
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| 08:49 | <cliebow_> i thought you were just stuttering
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| 08:49 | <Gadi> 1. download the pulseaudio packages such that artsd can use pulseaudio and pipe everything through like that
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| 08:50 | 2. Try to figure out why the virtual alsa device is not working properly
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| 08:50 | #2 would be preferred as it would cover lots more applications
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| 08:50 | which is why we try to do it that way
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| 08:50 | #1 only cover the apps that go through artsd
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| 08:51 | <moldy> i see. let me just try kde sound on the client...
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> ok
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| 08:52 | <moldy> "test sound" makes no sound, no error message
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| 08:53 | would it work in gnome? i have gnome installed, but it is not selectable in the login manager so far
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| 08:56 | <Gadi> how did you install it?
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| 08:57 | <moldy> gnome? aptitude install gnome
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| 08:57 | <Gadi> ah, prolly missing the package that sets it as a session alternative. whats the output of:
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| 08:58 | update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
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| 08:58 | <moldy> ah wait... just noticing... it did not get installed for some reason...
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| 08:58 | installing again
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| 08:58 | <Gadi> ah
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| 08:59 | <moldy> anyway, about sound: any suggestions on how to debug the alsa issue?
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| 08:59 | <Gadi> hmm... what happens when you try: aplya <some wav file>
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| 08:59 | er, aplay
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| 09:00 | <moldy> plays sound
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> ah, so alsa works!
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| 09:00 | <r3zon8> whats one of the most common problems for 'nfs authentication failed' when booting a thin client? ive checked all the suggestions they made and im still stuck.. :/
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> it must be artsd
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| 09:00 | <moldy> trying amarok...
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> we need to get artsd talking to the right card
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| 09:01 | try the kde control panel?
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| 09:01 | <ogra> KDe should just be switched to use esd in the control center (in the backend the pulse esound plugin will hook in transparetly)
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| 09:01 | <moldy> ok amarok works too
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> ah, there ya go
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| 09:02 | so, switch artsd to use pulse instead of alsa, and any other things that talk straight to alsa will be covered by the virtual sound card
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| 09:02 | <moldy> after switchting artsd to ESD in the kde sound settings, "test sound" works
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| 09:03 | <moldy> and amarok works, too... nice, thanks
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| 09:05 | still no sound from flash in firefox
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| 09:07 | if that one also works, i am happy :)
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| 09:07 | <Gadi> heh
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| 09:08 | did you close the browser and open again?
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| 09:11 | <moldy> i think so...trying again just in case
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| 09:13 | <moldy> no sound yet
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| 09:13 | but flash is so slow -- could it be because the cpu is hogged?
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| 09:15 | <cliebow_> jemstone:what's the scoop??going incognito??
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| 09:38 | <Q-FUNK> !g
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| 09:38 | <ltspbot> Q-FUNK: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:40 | <cliebow_> hardy is Rockin!
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| 11:45 | <ogra> cliebow_, it runs ?
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| 11:45 | <cliebow_> any debianistas handy?
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| 11:45 | Rocks..but it is alpha4
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| 11:45 | * ogra still didnt have the opportunity to test | |
| 11:45 | <ogra> ah
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| 11:45 | yeah, well
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| 11:46 | there lie worlds etween alpha4 and today :)
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| 11:46 | <cliebow_> should i check the md5sum for said?
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| 11:46 | <ogra> i have the daily build here, i'll start a virtualbox install overnight
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| 11:48 | <cliebow_> still some wierdness..firefox file--edit--view--buttons wont work..etc
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| 11:49 | <ogra> are you using the shipped firefox ?
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| 11:49 | install firefox-3.0 from universe, thats what will be in the release ;)
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| 11:50 | <cliebow_> ok
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| 11:50 | <sutula> cliebow_: What do you need (RE Debian)?
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| 11:52 | <cliebow_> ohh..i guess it is unimportant..looking to try freenx and didnt know whether sid lenny was most current..
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| 11:53 | <sutula> cliebow_: sid is unstable...most current. lenny is testing, about a week or two older than sid.
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| 11:53 | <cliebow_> thank you..
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| 11:53 | * sutula isn't sure that's what cliebow_ wanted to know :) | |
| 11:54 | <Gadi> sutula: hey: https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-trunk
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| 11:55 | <ogra> Gadi, new breakage ?
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| 11:55 | <cliebow_> wierd..firefoxs.0 shows same thing..not importnat now..indeed 8~)
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| 11:56 | <Gadi> ogra: when I cleaned up the code for vagrant, I missed a couple of curly braces that were improtant
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| 11:56 | :)
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| 11:56 | stupid C
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| 11:56 | all better
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| 11:56 | and directx seems to work
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| 11:56 | at least, DISPLAY is set properly
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| 11:57 | <ogra> sure
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| 11:57 | * sutula doesn't have a system he can test that on | |
| 11:57 | <ogra> it always was
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> oh
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| 11:57 | <ogra> its just that it changes during login
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| 11:57 | <Gadi> so, ur saying the problem is with the -X in the sentinel?
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| 11:57 | <ogra> if the -X is in it points to localhost:something
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| 11:58 | there is a gap between starting the session and the ssh login
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| 11:58 | consolekit for example lives in this gap
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| 11:58 | <Gadi> well, what I have now is this:
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| 11:58 | there is a -X in all connections BUT the X session one
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| 11:58 | <ogra> as delayed-mounter *can* under certain circumstances
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| 11:59 | how do you mean ?
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| 11:59 | whats the Xsessions -X ?
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| 11:59 | <Gadi> so, there is one in the master socket of the sentinel and all ltspfsmounter sessions created
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| 12:00 | but, when you call /etc/X11/Xsession, there is no -X
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| 12:00 | <ogra> ah
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| 12:00 | <Gadi> they are different ssh streams
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| 12:00 | <ogra> do you test that under hardy ?
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| 12:00 | <Gadi> Im not up to hardy yet
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| 12:00 | <ogra> mah
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| 12:00 | <Gadi> but, it should be the same
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| 12:00 | <ogra> i'd like to see if you have any consolekit session with that
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| 12:00 | no, its massively different
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| 12:00 | thats the prob
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| 12:01 | * Gadi needs to read up on consolekit it seems | |
| 12:01 | <ogra> most dbus authentication goes through CK now
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| 12:01 | <Gadi> well, you can build my ldm-trunk branch
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| 12:01 | should be easy to test, if you have the hardy env already
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| 12:02 | btw, ogra, do you have an official debian/ dir for the upstream braanches?
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| 12:02 | <ogra> so without any CK session it gets hard to use things like gnome-power-manager for example ... that in turn even though not important for ltsp will break the gnome logout dialog ...
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| 12:02 | * Gadi had to make my own | |
| 12:02 | <ogra> i havent pushed a branch for them ... apt-get source is your friend
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> right - but the branches have changed a lot
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| 12:03 | <ogra> which branches ?
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> unless you are talking hardy sources
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| 12:03 | the upstream branches
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| 12:03 | <ogra> i'm talking the hardy packaging info
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| 12:03 | oh
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| 12:03 | <Gadi> ldm-trunk and friends
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| 12:03 | <ogra> no, i didnt use any hard specific branch this time, its all upstream trunk
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| 12:04 | <Gadi> I assume you grab upstream trunk and then add you own debian dir
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| 12:04 | and roll
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| 12:04 | <ogra> actually upstream trunk of feb 12th :)
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| 12:04 | right
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| 12:04 | <Gadi> ok, so there's a hardy source out there with the official debian dir
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| 12:04 | cool
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| 12:04 | <ogra> everything i do now will likely be patches to that snapshot
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| 12:05 | <Gadi> ogra: sounds good
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| 12:05 | <ogra> since the upstream version is frozen
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| 12:05 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:05 | well, hopefully you will have a chance to look at gadi-ldm-trunk
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| 12:06 | <ogra> next week i should have a bit spare time for that
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| 12:06 | * Gadi looks forward | |
| 12:06 | <Gadi> :)
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| 12:07 | ogra: is a hardy chroot massively differnt than a gutsy?
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| 12:07 | ie did you have to work around any issues introduced?
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| 12:11 | <ogra> no
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| 12:12 | its pretty much the gutsy one based on the restructured code
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| 12:12 | and with bugfixes
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| 13:54 | <gonzalo_test> hi, I'm configuring ltsp5 in debiane tch, I'm following this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto, is it mandatory to do this step? '3. Alternately, configure /etc/dnsmasq.conf:'
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| 13:54 | <johnny> only if you don't already have dhcp and friends setup
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| 13:55 | <gonzalo_test> johnny, where is the pxe image?
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| 13:56 | <johnny> uhmm /var/lib/tftp*
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| 13:56 | <gonzalo_test> I'm using dhcpd
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| 13:56 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: you either configure dhcp3-server or dnsmasq- you need not configure both.
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| 13:56 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, ok, I'm just using dhcp
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: what do you mean by pxe image? there is the pxelinux.0 bootloader ... that should end up in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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| 13:59 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, so I have to put in my dhcpd.conf: ' filename "/lltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";' ?
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| 13:59 | '/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";' ?
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: did you install ltsp-server-standalone ?
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| 14:00 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, yes
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: then you should have a file in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ...
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| 14:01 | gonzalo_test: you can edit that and add a line to /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf: include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf";
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| 14:01 | gonzalo_test: or you can use that for an example of what to do.
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| 14:02 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, which one is the valid file? I mean, I shouldnt create a /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf and just use the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: please re-read what i said.
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| 14:03 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, the guide tells to use the /etc/dhcp3
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| 14:10 | <gonzalo_test> my clients boot, but stop and say: 'nfsmount: need a path'
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| 14:13 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: did you set next-server, as mentioned on http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto ?
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| 14:16 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, yes, can you chekt it?, here is y dhcpd.conf http://pastebin.ca/904228
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: have you restarted your dhcp server after your last edit ?
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| 14:17 | gonzalo_test: please use the pastebot:
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| 14:17 | !pastebot
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| 14:17 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:17 | <gonzalo_test> ok
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| 14:17 | yes I restarted it
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| 14:18 | I restarted it again and now workd
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| 14:18 | works*
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: so the way you have it set up, only ws001, ws002 and ws003 are going to get the next-server setting
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| 14:19 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, it is working just for one client
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: if you used something more like the example configuration, you wouldn't have to specify any clients in dhcpd.conf
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| 14:21 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, is not possible to set up static ips?
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: yes, it is possible. is it desireable?
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| 14:22 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, yes
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 14:22 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, but the way I do is not the correct?
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| 14:22 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: looks fine, as long as you want to edit dhcpd.conf every time you add a new thin client
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| 14:23 | and remember to restart dhcpd each time
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| 14:23 | gonzalo_test: though i would actually put next-server in the upper section, not in the group section
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| 14:24 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, but why isnt it working? as I said, it is working just for one client
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| 14:24 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, yes I did that
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| 14:24 | vagrantc, but it is still not working
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: that's for you to figure out.
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| 14:24 | <gonzalo_test> let me check the MAC address
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> my guess would be the MAC addresses are incorrect.
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| 14:25 | which is why i would recommend just configuring it with dynamic ip addresses...
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> but if you have some specific reason to desire static ip's, then you figure it out :P
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| 14:26 | <gonzalo_test> the MAC is ok, lets try with dynamic ips
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> in either case, move next-server into the upper section
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| 14:30 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, the problem persists
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: what exactly is the problem?
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| 14:30 | <ltsppbot> "gonzaloaf" pasted "subnet 192.168.190.0 netmask 2" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/448
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| 14:30 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, this is my new dhcpd.conf http://pastebot.ltsp.org/448
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: looks like you
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| 14:31 | <gonzalo_test> oohhh, I now uderstand why you want me to use pastebot
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> 're missing a ; at the end of your range line
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| 14:34 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, the problem persists
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: you still haven't said what the problem actually is
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| 14:35 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, just one client boots until the X, another stops at: 'nfsmount: need a path'
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: and you fixed the missing ; ?
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| 14:37 | <gonzalo_test> yes
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| 14:37 | <ltsppbot> "gonzaloaf" pasted "subnet 192.168.190.0 netmask 2" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/449
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| 14:37 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: is it different hardware?
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| 14:38 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, yes, 3 different clients
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| 14:39 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: is there possibly another dhcp server on the network?
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| 14:40 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, maybe, but they are booting to my dhcp server, I cant find out now if it is another dhcp server, because people leaved the office
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> how can you be sure they're booting to your dhcp server?
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| 14:41 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, but in the PXE boot I see that the client is accepting the offer of my dhcp server
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 14:41 | <gonzalo_test> I see the ip
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| 14:41 | <vagrantc> and then it makes another dhcp request later
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| 14:42 | <gonzalo_test> oooh
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| 14:42 | in that case.... tomorrow I'll ask my co-workers to shutdown their dhcp servers, if any
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| 14:43 | vagrantc, is it a way to forve my clientst to use just my dhcp server?
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| 14:43 | <vagrantc> the other possibility is that the network cards on some of your clients aren't getting detected
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| 14:43 | gonzalo_test: the short answer is no, there isn't a way to force your clients to use your dhcp server
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| 14:44 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, I have tried an hour ago with TCOS and the worked
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: you're positive that the broadcast-address is correct?
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| 14:45 | gonzalo_test: the dhcpd.conf looks fine, presuming it's been restarted and is actually using that configuration.
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| 14:46 | so my guess is: multiple dhcp servers or network cards are not detected
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| 14:46 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, yes it is correct, is practically the same dhcpd.conf that I used with TCOS
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: do you see any errors before you get the nfsmount error?
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| 14:47 | <gonzalo_test> nop
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> good luck.
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| 14:47 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, I think there is another dhcp server
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> there is nothing more i can recommend.
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| 14:48 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, maybe I can comment the nameservers line
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| 14:50 | <exodos> anyone knows how to disable grub-update hook?
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| 14:50 | <vagrantc> that isn't used till much later in the process
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| 14:52 | <gonzalo_test> vagrantc, let me isolate the clients from the office network and try, brb
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| 14:54 | <gonzaloaf_work> vagrantc, yes you were right, the problem was another dhcp server
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> gonzalo_test: putting two network cards in the LTSP server is a great way to go: one for network/internet access, and anotehr for the thin-client network.
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| 14:55 | <gonzaloaf_work> vagrantc, yes I know, this is just a testing server
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| 14:55 | vagrantc, how is local devices, autologin working?
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| 14:57 | <gonzaloaf_work> correction: how are local devices and autologin working?
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| 14:58 | <warren> vagrantc, the purpose of debootstrap is to install a debian chroot?
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| 14:58 | * warren considers calling the new tool febootstrap | |
| 14:59 | <johnny> they work with patches in ubuntu
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| 14:59 | but are fixed in hardy
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| 15:03 | <lns> Just in case you guys haven't seen it, check out the second video with maddog - he talks about LTSP
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| 15:04 | http://www.linux.com/feature/126961
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> gonzaloaf_work: with plain etch, local devices aren't supported at all. with the backported packages, reasonably well.
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| 15:04 | <gonzaloaf_work> autologin?
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> warren: yeah, debootstrap just installs a minimal debian chroot...
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| 15:06 | gonzaloaf_work: i have autologin working from the bzr branch, and hope to upload to unstable soon. once the upload is in unstable, i'll work on a backport.
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| 15:07 | <gonzaloaf_work> ohh ok
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> hopefully within a week or so
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| 15:10 | * vagrantc attempts to get new uploads of ltsp ready | |
| 15:10 | <gonzaloaf_work> ltsp5 is walking slower than 4?
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> "walking slower" ?
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| 17:46 | <vagrantc> otavio: so, for ltsp, you think we should only include the architectures we actually have network booting code for?
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| 17:47 | otavio: almost got an upload ready, and may as well drop some of these architectures while we're at it.
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| 17:54 | <otavio> vagrantc: guess so
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> otavio: but not for ldm?
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| 17:56 | <otavio> vagrantc: i guess you could wait to see if arch problem isn't solve
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| 17:56 | vagrantc: keep on mind that it's the first time you had problem
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| 17:56 | vagrantc: and it's not a ltsp problem but a buildd issue
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| 17:57 | <vagrantc> otavio: no, it's been a problem much more often
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| 17:57 | <otavio> really?
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| 17:58 | <vagrantc> otavio: it usually isn't this bad, but it's not uncommon for a slow buildd to delay the migration to testing by 1-3 days
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| 17:59 | otavio: i forgot if i asked already ... do we loose our place in the buildd queue if we upload a new version before they built the old version?
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| 17:59 | <otavio> but i guess you could trust buildd people and believe it won't happen that ofthen
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| 18:00 | vagrantc: don't remember
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| 18:00 | vagrantc: however, once mips buildd gets fixed, it's a single day to get up to date
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| 18:00 | <vagrantc> well, maybe i'll leave all the arches for now ... although for some arches it seems kind of silly
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| 18:02 | the interesting thing, of course, is that the slowest architectures are the most likely to be useful as thin clients :)
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| 18:04 | <otavio> hehe yes
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| 19:06 | <ari_stress> morning all :D
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc> ogra: whoah. we're, like... 99.9% synced on ltspfs?
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| 21:02 | <aarrccchh> hi all
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| 21:24 | <esrin> hello
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| 21:29 | <aarrccchh> hi
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| 21:35 | can i post questions on rdesktop here?
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| 21:38 | <esrin> I dont know if you can
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> aarrccchh: are you trying to use rdesktop from an LTSP client?
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| 21:48 | <aarrccchh> yes
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| 21:51 | <aarrccchh> yes, ive been working on ltsp+ms windows environment. i got problem but im not very sure where does the problem reside
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| 22:14 | <aarrccchh> pls help
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| 22:16 | <esrin> how do you guess should one help without knowing the problem?
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| 22:18 | aarrccchh?
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| 22:24 | <aarrccchh> :0
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| 22:25 | im waiting someone responding my query
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| 22:27 | im not certain whether rdesktop (+m$) topic be accepted here
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| 22:32 | <esrin> how about just asking?
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| 22:32 | <aarrccchh> ok
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| 22:34 | ive been succeded running a small network of 10 clients connected to mswindows via ltsp+rdesktop
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| 22:35 | but, randomly in time, the network was slowed down and eventually all clients were disconnected from windows
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| 22:36 | i cannot find any log files that may explain this problem
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| 22:38 | right now i suspect that it has been a network problem. ie some network peripherals that might have problem
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| 22:39 | it happens once a day and sometime more
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| 22:41 | im using k12ltsp 4.2+rdesktop 1.5
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| 22:43 | thats it
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| 22:44 | <|mathesi|> aarrccchh: speak spanish?
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| 22:44 | <aarrccchh> |mathesi|: so sorry i dont
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| 22:48 | <|mathesi|> aarrccchh: you can running ltsp 4.2 and rdeskto +windows?
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| 22:48 | <aarrccchh> yes |mathesi|
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| 22:48 | its winxp pro
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| 22:49 | <|mathesi|> how many thinclient running?
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| 22:49 | <aarrccchh> 10
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| 22:50 | <|mathesi|> hardware in the server ltsp and server win xp pro?
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| 22:50 | cpu,memory, of servers?
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| 22:50 | <aarrccchh> ltsp: pIII 800 256MB ram
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| 22:51 | winxp: p4 core 2 duo 2,66GHz 1 GB ram
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| 22:51 | <|mathesi|> the server pIII 800 MHZ+256 MB RAM?
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| 22:51 | <aarrccchh> yes
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| 22:51 | <|mathesi|> and winxp pro?
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| 22:51 | <aarrccchh> winxp: p4 core 2 duo 2,66GHz 1 GB ram
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| 22:52 | <|mathesi|> how many user you can login in win xp pro?
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| 22:52 | <aarrccchh> 10 at thinclient + 1 at console
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| 22:53 | winxp has realtek gigabit lan net adapter running 100Mbps full duplex
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| 22:54 | <|mathesi|> How many users simultaneously can have windows xp?
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| 22:54 | <aarrccchh> 10
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| 22:54 | <|mathesi|> not 11 user?
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| 22:54 | <aarrccchh> 10 by remote + 1 on the console
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| 22:55 | yes 11
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| 22:55 | <|mathesi|> not 12?
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| 22:55 | <aarrccchh> what do u mean? simultaneusly 11
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| 22:56 | <|mathesi|> How many runs the computer programs?
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| 22:56 | <aarrccchh> all
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| 22:56 | <|mathesi|> Simultaneous
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| 22:56 | <aarrccchh> yup
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| 22:56 | <|mathesi|> ms office?
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| 22:57 | <aarrccchh> not all the time i mean
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| 22:57 | but it could
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| 22:57 | no, i use openoffice
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| 22:57 | avg free antivirus
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| 22:58 | sometime disconnected problem occurs when it just have 3 clients connected
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| 22:58 | <|mathesi|> 10 users can run word at the same time via rdesktop
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| 23:00 | <aarrccchh> sometime 2 clients operating and sometime all 10 were operating
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| 23:01 | yes it could be, but no msword
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| 23:04 | can occur 0 - 3 time a day
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| 23:06 | <|mathesi|> its possible?
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| 23:07 | <aarrccchh> what possible? i face this problem for this 3 months
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| 23:12 | <|mathesi|> is possible run ms word in 10 thinclients via rdesktop?
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| 23:13 | <aarrccchh> im not implementing that for now, but yes it is possible
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| 23:14 | <|mathesi|> ok
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| 23:14 | <aarrccchh> 2 years ago i setup a ltsp network with 10 client + winserver 2003 running msoffice
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| 23:16 | <|mathesi|> hi mr vagrantc
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| 23:18 | <vagrantc> hey
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| 23:19 | * vagrantc grumbles that ldm was rejected | |
| 23:37 | <vagrantc> gah, that basically means ltsp is in bad shape in every single part of debian.
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| 23:38 | <aarrccchh> how sensitive is ltsp+rdesktop againts network traffic?
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| 23:39 | might bottleneck on network cause clients disconnected simultaneously from win server?
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| 23:41 | <vagrantc> otavio: *sigh* looks like i'll still have to rely on a sponsor for an ldm upload
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| 23:42 | otavio: unless ftp-masters are particularly responsive
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