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Channel log from 19 December 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <vagrantc> daya: sounds like it was working
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| 00:01 | <daya> vagrantc, But Failed to fetch http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ltsp/ltsp-client_5.0.39debian1~40.etch.0_all.deb Connection timed out
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| 00:01 | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
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| 00:01 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 00:01 | <vagrantc> daya: the initial install is just a very basic system, and then it follows up with more packages using apt
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| 00:02 | <daya> vagrantc, can it may be due to connection problem,
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| 00:02 | <vagrantc> daya: almost certainly
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| 00:02 | <daya> vagrantc,But with same net speed I haven't faced this problem earlier,
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| 00:02 | <vagrantc> daya: are you using --copy-package-cache ?
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| 00:03 | <johnny> the debians are broken
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| 00:03 | evening vagrantc
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| 00:04 | * johnny attempting to solve sabayon bugs | |
| 00:05 | <daya> vagrantc, --copy-package-cache in ltsp-build-client
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| 00:05 | vagrantc, can I use local repo of etch from DVD or file for ltsp-build-client instead of proding the extra url you pointed in the wiki
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| 00:06 | <vagrantc> daya: if you put those packages on a DVD...
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| 00:06 | <johnny> when you install debian, does it default to you using the cd still?
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| 00:07 | in sources.list
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| 00:07 | <vagrantc> daya: what i would recommend is to do "apt-get -d install ltsp-client" on the server. DO NOT forget the -d
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| 00:08 | daya: and then use "ltsp-build-client --copy-package-cache ..."
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| 00:09 | <daya> vagrantc, ok
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| 00:09 | <vagrantc> Get:1 http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org etch-ltsp-backports/main ltsp-client 5.0.39debian1~40.etch.0 [37.0kB]
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| 00:09 | Fetched 37.0kB in 1s (20.6kB/s)
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| 00:09 | works for me.
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| 00:20 | <daya> vagrantc, several dependecy arises,
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| 00:21 | vagrantc,can I download all the things that ltsp-build-clinet does and copy it to /opt directory,
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| 00:21 | vagrantc, I will install other things such as ltsp-server , ltspfs etc, :D
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| 00:22 | <vagrantc> daya: if you download them on the server, and then use the --copy-package-cache option, it will copy them to /opt for you.
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| 00:22 | <johnny> vagrantc, does debian have any patches for sabayon that you might know about?
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| 00:22 | <vagrantc> johnny: i know of sabayon only by name and rudimentary purpose
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| 00:23 | <johnny> but you do know how debian stores patches for programs generally
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| 00:23 | <vagrantc> every package is somewhat different
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| 00:48 | <daya> vagrantc, is there is any pkg. available for debian as of edubuntu 7.10 based on nbd and squashfs,
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| 01:15 | <vagrantc> daya: not for etch
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| 01:16 | daya: the support is there, but the nbd in etch doesn't work
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| 01:16 | daya: well, doesn't work good enough for nbd for root
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| 01:17 | <daya> vagrantc, ok, that means we have to stick in nfs in etch isn't it?
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| 01:18 | <vagrantc> daya: yes. unless you want to backport nbd and possibly unionfs and squashfs.
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| 01:18 | <daya> vagrantc, what does --copy-package-cache does, (you told if will copy them in /opt directory from the server_
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| 01:18 | if --> it
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| 01:19 | vagrantc, is it possible now to backport ndb and unionfs and squashfs for etch, is there is any work on progress for such backport
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| 01:21 | <vagrantc> daya: i have no intention of doing any of that work
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| 01:21 | i much prefer nfs anyways
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| 01:21 | <lns> vagrantc, why's that?
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| 01:21 | <vagrantc> lns: it's so much simpler.
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| 01:22 | <lns> heh
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| 01:22 | no speed differences?
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| 01:22 | <vagrantc> allegedly slower
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| 01:22 | <daya> vagrantc, I have heard nbd and squashfs make client fast is it,
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| 01:23 | <lns> i do agree though, its kind of lame sometimes rebuilding your image...but again, you aren't ALWAYS modifying chroots
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| 01:23 | <vagrantc> if you're working in an LTSP environment where you build it once and *never* change anything that could possible require re-building the image ... nbd has some improvements
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| 01:23 | but if you're frequently making small changes, nfs is the way to go
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| 01:23 | <lns> it's nice to have some horsepower behind the image build... =)
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| 01:24 | <vagrantc> daya: --copy-package-cache copies the server's /var/cache/apt/archives into the LTSP environment before building it, and then copies them back to the server's /var/cache/apt/archives
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| 01:26 | daya: take a look at it: /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/040-copy-package-cache
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| 01:26 | <daya> vagrantc, ok,
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| 01:27 | vagrantc, ltsp-build-client command fetches pkg. from which repo, the extra mirror have only for ltsp-sever and ltspfs isn't it, I am a bit confused here
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| 01:28 | <vagrantc> daya: it fetches them from whatever repos you tell it to fetch them from
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| 01:28 | daya: i'm having trouble understanding what is so confusing.
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| 01:28 | <daya> vagrantc,that mean I have to specify it in sources.list file
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| 01:29 | <vagrantc> daya: ??
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| 01:30 | daya: are you familiar with: ltsp-build-client --help
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| 01:30 | daya: and: ltsp-build-client --extra-help
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| 01:30 | <daya> vagrantc, sorry , I try to make you clear,
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| 01:30 | <vagrantc> daya: man ltsp-build-client ?
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| 01:31 | <daya> vagrantc, ye , I have seen it,
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| 01:33 | <vagrantc> well, i've got to go to sleep
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| 01:34 | <daya> vagrantc, debian:/# ltsp-build-client --mirror "http://192.168.2.1/debian etch main contrib"
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| 01:35 | vagrantc, It gives error,
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| 01:35 | <vagrantc> daya: yes
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| 01:35 | <daya> NOTE: adding default dist and components to security mirror:
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| 01:35 | http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main
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| 01:35 | E: No such script: etch
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| 01:35 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 01:35 | <vagrantc> daya: you need to leave off "etc main contrib"
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| 01:35 | er.
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| 01:35 | daya: you need to leave off "etch main contrib"
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| 01:36 | <zodman> --mirror "http://192.168.2.1/debian" --dist etch
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| 01:36 | xD
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| 01:36 | <vagrantc> ltsp-build-client --mirror http://192.168.2.1/debian
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| 01:37 | daya: if you really need contrib, you could specify: --components "main contrib"
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| 01:37 | <daya> vagrantc, seems to be working now,
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| 01:38 | vagrantc, does it work Its the repo that I set with etch,
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| 01:38 | <vagrantc> daya: are you trying with the backported packages?
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| 01:38 | <daya> vagrantc, yes, :(
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| 01:38 | =P
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| 01:38 | <vagrantc> daya: you *need* to specify a repository with the new backports, too, then.
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| 01:38 | daya: unless you've made a custom repository with the new packages
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| 01:39 | daya: and the recommended way is to use --extra-mirror
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| 01:39 | daya: as documented in the howto
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| 01:39 | <daya> vagrantc, then I have to add --extra-mirror with mirror of my local repot
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| 01:40 | vagrantc, I mean could I add both mirror and extra-mirror sorry if misunderstood
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| 01:40 | <vagrantc> daya: well, --mirror needs a mirror with all of the stuff needed to install a base debian system
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| 01:41 | here's my latest ltsp-build-client commandline: ltsp-build-client --apt-keys /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --mirror http://apt.freegeek.org/debian --early-mirror 'http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/debian unstable/' --extra-mirror http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian --accept-unsigned-packages --copy-package-cache --copy-package-lists --kernel-package linux-image-2.6.23-1-486
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| 01:41 | so you can use --mirror, --early-mirror and --extra-mirror
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| 01:41 | (that was building a sid environment with some experimental packages)
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| 01:42 | <daya> vagrantc, but me trying to use stable, in our own distro based on debian,
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| 01:42 | <vagrantc> daya: i was just showing an example
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| 01:43 | <daya> vagrantc, :D
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| 01:43 | vagrantc, :),
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| 01:43 | <vagrantc> i don't know how i can explain it any better
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| 01:43 | <daya> vagrantc, what is this error, W: Failure while unpacking required packages. This will be attempted up to five times.
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| 01:43 | vagrantc, although I used local repo for it,
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| 01:44 | <vagrantc> daya: sounds like the mirror used was broken somehow
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| 01:45 | <daya> vagrantc, hm
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| 01:45 | <vagrantc> daya: that's breaking on debootstrap ... whenever you get errors like that... try: debootstrap etch $(mktemp -d) http://your.mirror.here/debian
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| 01:45 | if you get the same error, then your mirror is probably missing something
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| 01:46 | <daya> vagrantc, our setting of the loal mirror may be wrong,
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| 01:46 | <vagrantc> that's what it sounds like, yes.
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| 01:46 | <daya> vagrantc, Reading package lists... Done
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| 01:46 | W: GPG error: http://192.168.2.1 etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 70A436487AD6AAA6
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| 01:46 | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
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| 01:46 | <vagrantc> daya: use --apt-keys
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| 01:47 | daya: or, --accept-unsigned-packages (but better to use --apt-keys)
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| 01:48 | <daya> vagrantc, set the repo but unable to make release file
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| 01:48 | <vagrantc> daya: sorry, i don't understand
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| 01:50 | <daya> vagrantc, I mean we don't make any Release and Release.gpg file in the repo that must be,
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| 01:50 | <vagrantc> daya: then you'll need to use --accept-unsigned-packages, and you probably cannot use that mirror for the --mirror
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| 01:51 | daya: only for --early-mirror or --extra-mirror
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| 01:53 | <daya> vagrantc, could you please told me what pkg, are fetched from early-mirror, extra-mirror, and --mirror, I can't get form man pages,
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| 01:54 | <vagrantc> daya: --mirror is what is used by debootstrap ... --early-mirror goes into sources.list as the first mirror, --mirror the second, and --extra-mirror last
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| 01:54 | daya: the order in sources.list usually determines which mirror to download from
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| 01:55 | <daya> vagrantc, o, got it thanks a lot,
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| 01:55 | vagrantc, could you please help me how can I use my local mirror for bebootstrap,
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| 01:56 | <vagrantc> daya: not really
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| 01:56 | <daya> vagrantc, I thinks its only some command to generate Release file
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| 01:56 | <vagrantc> daya: i don't know those commands
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| 01:56 | daya: i use "reprepro"
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| 01:56 | <daya> vagrantc, I have tried once
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| 01:56 | vagrantc, ok
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| 01:57 | vagrantc, reprepro
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| 01:59 | <vagrantc> daya: reprepro can handle the Release files, the gpg-signing and mirroring only some packages from an external mirror
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| 02:00 | <daya> vagrantc, how to maintain it in my local server, if you don't feel sleepy :),
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| 02:01 | <vagrantc> daya: i felt sleepy an hour ago
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| 02:01 | <daya> vagrantc, :) ha
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| 02:02 | <vagrantc> daya: i can get you some config files for mirroring with reprepro some other day
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| 02:02 | <daya> vagrantc, ok,
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| 02:31 | <El_Angelo> is ltsp for linux trying to achieve the same like terminal services on windows ?
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| 02:31 | <johnny> somewhat
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| 02:32 | iirc terminal service also does remote login
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| 02:32 | is that correct?
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| 02:32 | <El_Angelo> ltsp does not?
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| 02:32 | <johnny> no
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| 02:32 | <El_Angelo> ghe
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| 02:32 | <johnny> stuff like X itself does
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| 02:32 | no ltsp required
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| 02:33 | or you could use vnc
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| 02:33 | or freenx
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| 02:33 | <El_Angelo> vnc is slow
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| 02:33 | <johnny> try freenx
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| 02:33 | <El_Angelo> ok
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| 02:33 | gonna have a look
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| 02:34 | just tried xrdp but that's just vnc with an rdp layer
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| 02:34 | <johnny> ltsp is for when you have locally attached computers for the most part
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| 02:34 | when you ned access to local devices and such
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| 02:34 | <El_Angelo> you mean lan?
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| 02:34 | <johnny> yes
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| 02:34 | but these are definitely for PCs.. no other devices
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| 02:34 | <El_Angelo> hmmm ok... i'm trying to get decent connection speed over dsl
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| 02:35 | <johnny> i do all my remote stuff on the cli anyways.. so no biggy..
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| 02:35 | who knows what you can get
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| 02:35 | it just depends on how good the network is
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| 02:35 | it could be impossible
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| 02:35 | go with freenx tho
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| 02:35 | check it out
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| 02:36 | <El_Angelo> i will
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| 02:36 | i do most stuff with cli as well... but i'm just interested to see if there is a decent alternative to vnc
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| 02:37 | <johnny> the last time i had to use that
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| 02:37 | my father needed it on his win2k box
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| 02:37 | <El_Angelo> vnc is terribly slow
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| 02:37 | <johnny> so.. no way to do the remote login easily
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| 02:38 | he just signed up for gotomypc
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| 02:38 | it worked for him well enough
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| 02:38 | <El_Angelo> haha
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| 02:38 | heard about that too
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| 02:38 | <johnny> better than me spending awhile trying to figure how it works
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| 02:38 | would take me awhile to gt back up to speed in a win env now
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| 02:38 | i'll wait til he switches to linux before i mess with that
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| 02:38 | the service is cheap enough
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| 05:12 | <killsalad> hello i've got bit problem with ubuntu7.10 ltsp and local device access - on thin client everything is ok and server has all required software, but there's no directory with device content
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| 08:26 | <jammcq> hellooooooooo
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| 08:30 | <cliebow_> hellllllooooooooooo!
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| 08:38 | <jammcq> hey chuck
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| 14:11 | <johnny> so.. sabayon is getting better
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| 14:12 | we might even up fixing people's issues after all :)
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| 14:12 | at least some of them
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| 14:12 | <lns> johnny, really? what version are you using now
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| 14:13 | <johnny> svn atm
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| 14:13 | getting patches integrated
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| 14:13 | <lns> ah
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| 14:13 | <johnny> and obsoleting an ubuntu patch
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| 14:13 | which is always good
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| 14:13 | <lns> hopefully it will fix my issue of crashing whenever xnest comes up to edit a profile (even a brand new one)
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| 14:14 | <johnny> got a debug log for that?
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| 14:14 | or does it just say RECOVERABLE ERROR
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| 14:14 | <lns> lets see
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| 14:15 | <johnny> brb
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| 14:20 | <lns> johnny, http://www.pastebin.ca/824115
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| 14:20 | that's after an apt-get --purge remove sabayon and re-install
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| 14:22 | created a new profile then hit edit...xnest comes up and *almost* shows the ubuntu desktop, then crashes
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| 14:22 | i should try it on another system
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| 14:30 | <ace_suares> moin jammcq :-)
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| 14:30 | cliebow!!!!
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| 14:35 | <johnny> lns, lemme know when you do that
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| 14:35 | but you can also create a debug log like it mentions
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| 14:35 | and for each (something) you can do enable domain = domain1;domain2;
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| 14:35 | maybe it's domains
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| 14:37 | <cliebow> ace_suares, Hallooo!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:37 | <lns> johnny, to be honest I have no idea what the context of "domains" are in creating a user profile
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| 14:37 | <johnny> domains are for the logging
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| 14:38 | like USER,admin-tool
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| 14:38 | in that log
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| 14:38 | <lns> ah
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| 14:38 | well i'm just testing so that probably won't make a diff ;)
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| 14:39 | <johnny> but that might expose the real error
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| 14:39 | altho you could try it on another machine first
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| 14:39 | <lns> yeah..i'm installing on a gutsy amd64 box right now
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| 14:39 | <ace_suares> lns: hi
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| 14:40 | y'all heard about my problems with LTSP last week ? Hilarious I think.
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| 14:40 | <lns> ace_suares, ?
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| 14:40 | <ace_suares> On the TC, gnome booted fine, but none of the mneus where accessible
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| 14:40 | <lns> johnny, same thing
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| 14:40 | <ace_suares> on the server, all was okay
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| 14:40 | <johnny> hmm.. i wonder what i did right :)
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| 14:40 | lol
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| 14:40 | <ace_suares> on the tc, it happend with any user, even admin users.
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| 14:40 | <lns> oh yeah
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| 14:40 | <johnny> ok.. try the logging
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| 14:40 | <ace_suares> I tought, oh maybe saboyan or so or pessulus,
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| 14:41 | asked around here and there
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| 14:41 | no solution (but lns had a hint at the problem, as it turend out later).
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| 14:41 | So, what was the problem ? The left mouse button didn't work as it should...
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| 14:41 | grrrr.... !
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| 14:41 | <johnny> lol
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| 14:41 | <ace_suares> (I must say, I was confused, since it DID work in Gcompris, but not on other places)
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| 14:42 | <johnny> PEBKAC :)
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| 14:42 | <lns> hahahaha
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| 14:42 | nice
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| 14:42 | <ace_suares> I rpelaced the mouse and that was the end of a many hour dtorubleshooitng session
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| 14:42 | OMG :-)
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| 14:42 | PEBMAC !
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| 14:42 | <johnny> [debug log]
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| 14:42 | enable domains = USER;admin-tool
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| 14:43 | in /root/sabayon-debug-log.conf
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| 14:43 | <lns> k
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| 14:43 | * johnny doesn't understand the use of spaces tho.. makes the parser more complicated than necessary | |
| 14:47 | <lns> johnny, http://www.pastebin.ca/824166
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| 14:47 | that's with the modified debug log
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| 14:48 | <johnny> ok, now try adding sabayon-session
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| 14:48 | with a ;
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| 14:49 | <lns> what, right after USER;admin-tool ?
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| 14:49 | same line?
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| 14:50 | <johnny> yes
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| 14:50 | <lns> k
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| 14:50 | <johnny> it doesn't really matter where
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| 14:50 | as long as it they are seperated with ;
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| 14:50 | but probably not ending with ;
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| 14:50 | <lns> ok
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| 14:50 | <johnny> and definitely not starting with ;)
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| 14:51 | <lns> johnny, http://www.pastebin.ca/824171
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| 14:53 | <johnny> uggh.. not really changed
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| 14:53 | i wonder if there is a way to make it more verbose
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| 14:54 | <lns> yeah i dunno...
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| 14:54 | but (the crashing at least) is on 2 totally different systems
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| 14:54 | both ubuntu gutsy though...one i386 one amd64
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| 14:55 | <johnny> i think i might have had that problem before
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| 14:55 | but i don't remember how i solved it
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| 14:55 | <lns> heh
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| 14:55 | oh well... =p i know i can't tell my teachers to use it yet, so its no big deal =p
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| 14:55 | <johnny> i'll prollly want you to test out svn at some point
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| 14:56 | <lns> i need to get a better test server
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| 14:56 | the only ones i have are non-deployed school servers so far ;)
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| 14:56 | don't wanna mess too much with those
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| 14:56 | <johnny> virtualbox helps.. if you have the hardware
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| 15:57 | <johnny> lns, try running sabayon from the cli
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| 15:57 | see if you get a traceback of some kind
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| 16:08 | <lns> johnny, here ya go - w/console output: http://www.pastebin.ca/824316
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| 16:08 | <johnny> lame
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| 16:09 | <lns> heh
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| 16:09 | <johnny> was going by a bug i saw
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| 16:09 | and they had an error there
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| 18:29 | <Dorien> hello
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| 18:29 | is anyone here?
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| 18:30 | i recently installed litestep(LiteStep_Installer_omar_3.0.2_1-79) for the first time, i also installed the update needed after that(Litestep-Updater0.24.7r3_375904-150) but i'm still not able to install any themes
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| 20:01 | <ari_stress> morning all :D
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