IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 January 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <Faithful> http://pastebin.com/849394
| |
| 01:30 | tazle has left #ltsp | |
| 02:12 | Egyptian[Home] has quit IRC | |
| 02:27 | robbie has quit IRC | |
| 03:03 | arc_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:19 | envite has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:20 | <envite> Hello all from Spain
| |
| 03:20 | Hola a todos desde España
| |
| 03:20 | y Felíz Año Nuevo
| |
| 03:20 | vagrantc has quit IRC | |
| 03:30 | vanya has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:31 | gigabytes has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:50 | Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp | |
| 04:11 | gigabytes has quit IRC | |
| 04:16 | gigabytes has joined #ltsp | |
| 04:54 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:19 | gigabytes has quit IRC | |
| 05:42 | egypcio has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:41 | Skarmeth has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:51 | J45p3r_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:54 | msinhore has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:59 | vanya has quit IRC | |
| 07:10 | envite has left #ltsp | |
| 07:18 | daniQ has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:19 | <daniQ> cliebow - firefox crashing every few seconds...when i'm trying to check e-mail, look at news sites...etc.
| |
| 07:20 | daniQ has quit IRC | |
| 07:34 | jammcq has quit IRC | |
| 08:02 | Gadi has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:07 | jammcq has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:12 | cliebow has quit IRC | |
| 08:24 | pscheie has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:29 | joebaker has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:59 | Skarmeth has quit IRC | |
| 09:43 | <Gadi> Happy New Year, all
| |
| 09:43 | <ogra> yeah, happy new year !
| |
| 09:43 | * Gadi recalls back in the good ole days of 2006 talking about a really good SATA RAID controller from 3ware here | |
| 09:43 | <Gadi> does anyone recall that? And a model suggestion?
| |
| 09:44 | * Gadi starts the year a bit OT :) | |
| 09:45 | <jammcq> ogra: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| |
| 09:45 | <ogra> hey hey
| |
| 09:45 | <jammcq> ogra: you been travelling ?
| |
| 09:45 | <ogra> nope
| |
| 09:45 | relaxing
| |
| 09:45 | <jammcq> Gadi: the 3ware's are awesome
| |
| 09:45 | ogra: feeling well rested?
| |
| 09:45 | <ogra> i actually managed to not touch my laptop for a wek
| |
| 09:46 | *week
| |
| 09:46 | <jammcq> see, that wouldn't be relaxing for me
| |
| 09:46 | <ogra> well, i just finished wading through my 2583 mails ...
| |
| 09:46 | (thats only my inbox after one week)
| |
| 09:49 | <Gadi> jammcq: any particular model?
| |
| 09:49 | <jammcq> Gadi: well, depends on whether you want sata or ide, and whether you have PCI or PCI-X
| |
| 09:49 | <Gadi> jammcq: how much commission do you get?
| |
| 09:49 | ;)
| |
| 09:49 | <jammcq> I have a 9550 that is great
| |
| 09:49 | and I have some 7006's and 8006's
| |
| 09:51 | <Gadi> cool, grazie
| |
| 09:52 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Documentation
| |
| 09:52 | oops
| |
| 10:20 | efra has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:33 | vykarian has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:33 | <vykarian> hye
| |
| 10:53 | <pscheie> jammcq: are you still on?
| |
| 10:55 | r3zon8 has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:55 | <jammcq> pscheie: hey, what's up?
| |
| 10:56 | <pscheie> On my k12ltsp 5 (ltsp 4.2) test setup, there's always a floppy icon on the desktop
| |
| 10:56 | even though there's no floppy drive on the client
| |
| 10:57 | <jammcq> is there a floppy drive in the server?
| |
| 10:57 | <pscheie> nope
| |
| 10:57 | <jammcq> hmm
| |
| 10:57 | umm
| |
| 10:57 | <pscheie> and it's recreated if I remove it
| |
| 10:57 | so something in udev thinks its there
| |
| 10:57 | <jammcq> there's a way of telling gnome not to do that
| |
| 10:58 | if you log in on the console, do you see it?
| |
| 10:58 | <pscheie> gnome is just looking in ~/Drives
| |
| 10:58 | <jammcq> no
| |
| 10:58 | gnome gets udev events from the system
| |
| 10:58 | <pscheie> no Floppy on console
| |
| 10:58 | g333k has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:58 | <jammcq> hmm
| |
| 10:58 | somebody thinks there is a floppy
| |
| 10:58 | <pscheie> I see the same thing on a test setup at home
| |
| 10:59 | <jammcq> scotty is the guru on this stuff
| |
| 10:59 | <pscheie> The only common thread is that I'm using these Dell laptops as clients
| |
| 10:59 | <jammcq> is there a floppy controller on the client?
| |
| 10:59 | ah, there's still a floppy controller
| |
| 10:59 | <pscheie> yeah, I havent' seen him on here for a bit, prolly 'laxing somewhere
| |
| 10:59 | ah, could be floppy controller on client
| |
| 10:59 | daniQ has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:00 | <pscheie> since I think they're supposed to be hot-swappable under Windows
| |
| 11:00 | let me check the bios on the client...
| |
| 11:00 | brb
| |
| 11:04 | jammcq: it's the cdrom drive that's triggering it
| |
| 11:04 | if I pull it out of the laptop, no floppy on destkop
| |
| 11:08 | <r3zon8> im having trouble setting the resolution for a thin client. im specifying the MAC for that client and then the X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024, but the client always comes up with 1024x768
| |
| 11:08 | <vykarian> r3zon8 booting with PXE ou DHCP?
| |
| 11:08 | <jammcq> r3zon8: what happens if you set SCREEN_01 = shell
| |
| 11:08 | <vykarian> or*
| |
| 11:08 | <r3zon8> dhxp
| |
| 11:08 | dhcp
| |
| 11:09 | <pscheie> r3zon8: I have the same problem
| |
| 11:09 | <r3zon8> jamm, havent tried that
| |
| 11:09 | <pscheie> no matter what I set the res to I got 1024x768
| |
| 11:09 | <r3zon8> it seems to work fine for some maxspeed thin clients i use
| |
| 11:09 | <pscheie> couldn't even get 800x600
| |
| 11:09 | <vykarian> u should pick the mac address and set that static IP, then set in /etc/hosts that IP address with the hostname
| |
| 11:09 | <r3zon8> but these new HP's dont seem to take the new res
| |
| 11:09 | <vykarian> and enter in lts.conf the hostname config
| |
| 11:09 | <jammcq> r3zon8: what version of ltsp ?
| |
| 11:10 | <r3zon8> 42
| |
| 11:10 | <pscheie> but if I also specified the modelines, then I could get lower resolutions, but not higher
| |
| 11:10 | <r3zon8> 4.2
| |
| 11:10 | <jammcq> mac should work just fine
| |
| 11:10 | <r3zon8> right, MAC is working fine, on the older maxspeed tc;s
| |
| 11:10 | i did notice one thing though
| |
| 11:10 | <jammcq> it's definately not necessary to muck around with hostnames in /etc/hosts and lts.conf
| |
| 11:11 | <r3zon8> when its booting, it spits out an X SERVER error, couldnt probe for video card, you should configure the proper x server in ltsp.conf , using SLOW vesa driver
| |
| 11:11 | <jammcq> there ya go
| |
| 11:11 | <r3zon8> the maxspeed clients dont spit that error when booting
| |
| 11:11 | <jammcq> what kind of video chipset ?
| |
| 11:11 | <r3zon8> 1 sec..
| |
| 11:12 | Via S3 Graphics
| |
| 11:12 | <jammcq> it might be too new
| |
| 11:12 | <pscheie> jammcq: is the vesa driver limited to 1024x768?
| |
| 11:12 | <r3zon8> thats what im thinking
| |
| 11:12 | <jammcq> there's some new chips out there that aren't well supported yet
| |
| 11:12 | <vykarian> hmm, learning :)
| |
| 11:13 | <jammcq> pscheie: no, vesa can handle more than that, I think
| |
| 11:13 | r3zon8: is this a brand new thin client?
| |
| 11:13 | <r3zon8> yea
| |
| 11:13 | <jammcq> from where?
| |
| 11:13 | <r3zon8> new hp t5125's
| |
| 11:13 | daniQ has quit IRC | |
| 11:13 | <jammcq> ah
| |
| 11:13 | <r3zon8> hp/compaq
| |
| 11:13 | real nice, 199, even come with keyb/mic
| |
| 11:13 | mice
| |
| 11:14 | <jammcq> r3zon8: did you add the entry about video ram?
| |
| 11:14 | X_VIDEORAM = 16384
| |
| 11:14 | <r3zon8> no
| |
| 11:15 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients#T5125
| |
| 11:15 | <r3zon8> lemme try that
| |
| 11:15 | god dam you wiki
| |
| 11:15 | lol
| |
| 11:16 | <pscheie> jammcq: it's the cdrom that is sometimes being seen as a floppy
| |
| 11:17 | <jammcq> pscheie: ok
| |
| 11:17 | now you know :)
| |
| 11:17 | <pscheie> when I plug in a usb stick, i get an icon for floppy and the stick
| |
| 11:17 | <jammcq> hmm
| |
| 11:17 | <pscheie> I thought I saw something on the wiki about this problem a while back
| |
| 11:17 | <jammcq> seems like we had a problem like that early on, in beta
| |
| 11:18 | <pscheie> and right now, unplugging the usb makes the floppy icon disappear, too.
| |
| 11:18 | <r3zon8> well
| |
| 11:18 | i didnt get the error about xserver this time
| |
| 11:18 | but still no 1280
| |
| 11:18 | ;(
| |
| 11:19 | <jammcq> r3zon8: how are you checking the resolution?
| |
| 11:19 | <r3zon8> monitor info button
| |
| 11:19 | <jammcq> umm, try popping open a xterm, and run this:
| |
| 11:20 | xdpyinfo | grep dimension
| |
| 11:22 | Skarmeth has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:23 | <r3zon8> sez 1024x768
| |
| 11:23 | <jammcq> hmm
| |
| 11:24 | does the monitor support larger ?
| |
| 11:24 | <r3zon8> what if i build an mode line
| |
| 11:24 | lcd is native 1280
| |
| 11:24 | <jammcq> you can build a modeline, if you know what to put there
| |
| 11:24 | <r3zon8> im pretty sure it supports lower, and scales up, but not higher
| |
| 11:24 | * jammcq is heading out to lunch | |
| 11:25 | <r3zon8> thanks for the help, ill let you know if i get it working
| |
| 11:26 | mistik1 has quit IRC | |
| 11:26 | gigabytes has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:27 | mistik1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:44 | <Gadi> r3zon8: you prolly need to increase your horizontal sync
| |
| 11:44 | try: X_HORZSYNC = "30-80"
| |
| 11:44 | if that doesnt work, raise it to 100
| |
| 11:45 | (or check the monitor specs for horizontal sync frequency and use the right one)
| |
| 11:46 | mistik1 has quit IRC | |
| 11:47 | mistik1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:51 | cascade_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:54 | g333k has quit IRC | |
| 11:55 | mistik1 has quit IRC | |
| 11:56 | mistik1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:07 | cascade has quit IRC | |
| 12:11 | vagrantc has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:38 | efra has quit IRC | |
| 12:39 | efra_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:40 | efra_ is now known as efra | |
| 12:41 | gigabytes has quit IRC | |
| 12:45 | <r3zon8> let me try that Gadi
| |
| 12:49 | jbrett has quit IRC | |
| 12:54 | <r3zon8> that did the trick Gadi =) thanks alot, things are looking much sharper now
| |
| 12:54 | * Gadi has been doing this for way too long..... ;) | |
| 12:56 | <pscheie> Gadi: I've got a machine with FC6 installed, uses vesa driver, gives me 1600x1200, but when I use it as a thin client (etherboot floppy) I only get 1024x768.
| |
| 12:56 | Do you think the X_HORZSYNC might help me there?
| |
| 12:57 | <Gadi> which LTSP?
| |
| 12:57 | 4.2?
| |
| 12:57 | <pscheie> 4.2
| |
| 12:58 | I also tried adding some modeline settings, to no avail
| |
| 12:58 | I have to use them to get, say 800x600 and lower
| |
| 12:58 | without them, I still only get 1024x768
| |
| 12:58 | so I thought maybe that was the same problem with a higher res
| |
| 12:58 | <Gadi> it *may*. I, too, used to be under the impression that vesa was limited to 1024x768, but have found that not to be true in newer distros. Could be that Xorg7's vesa driver supports higher res
| |
| 12:59 | worth a try
| |
| 12:59 | <pscheie> but adding modelines made no difference: I can't get any higher that 1024x768
| |
| 12:59 | <Gadi> if it doesnt, I suspect its because 4.2 uses Xorg6.8
| |
| 13:00 | oh, also it could be the framebuffer
| |
| 13:00 | many distros use vesafb
| |
| 13:00 | but, LTSP does not use a framebuffer
| |
| 13:00 | er, 4.2 doesnt
| |
| 13:01 | so, it could be that vesafb is required to get higher res out of vesa drivers
| |
| 13:01 | <pscheie> any idea where I'd look in fc6 as to whether it's using a framebuffer?
| |
| 13:01 | <Gadi> try: lsmod|grep fb
| |
| 13:01 | on the server
| |
| 13:01 | (its usually a kernel module)
| |
| 13:02 | <pscheie> clarification: ltsp server is fc5 (k12ltsp 5); workstation with hard drive has plain fc6 installed
| |
| 13:03 | but I use an etherboot floppy disk on the workstation when I want it to be a client of my k12ltsp server
| |
| 13:04 | W^^harddd has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:06 | gigabytes has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:07 | <r3zon8> im running l12ltsp4
| |
| 13:08 | k12ltsp4, just fyi
| |
| 13:18 | linescanner_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:57 | vykarian has quit IRC | |
| 14:01 | <joebaker> On our LTSP server we have some FAT32 partitions that contain Dell's server maintenance programs. Our Ubuntu logins show these partitions as icons on user's desktops. The same goes for loading a CDRom. Can somebody give me some search terms/tips for helping me disable specific icon appearances such as these?
| |
| 14:04 | andresmujica has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:04 | <vagrantc> pscheie: could you just grab the xorg.conf file form the working setup and try it in LTSP ?
| |
| 14:04 | cliebow has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:04 | <pscheie> perhaps; I'll try it (when I get there; offsite ATM)
| |
| 14:05 | <ogra> vagrantc, !!
| |
| 14:05 | happy new year
| |
| 14:05 | "
| |
| 14:05 | !
| |
| 14:05 | <vagrantc> ogra: hi! :)
| |
| 14:05 | ogra: i've started working on some new stuff for ltsp. surprised how simple it is.
| |
| 14:06 | ogra: like splitting the init scripts, proper boolean handling, maybe a protean ltsp-chroot command :)
| |
| 14:06 | <ogra> i'm not sure about the ubuntu translation status for ltsp, but i guess we can switch completely to debians (thanks for the mail btw)
| |
| 14:06 | yeah, the last one was on my list as well
| |
| 14:06 | <vagrantc> yeah, all the translations are crazy to merge.
| |
| 14:07 | <W^^harddd> hi ! i have to discuss some issues regarding mouting of USB
| |
| 14:07 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, add to your list some URLs to some of my new branches :)
| |
| 14:07 | <ogra> right, i have to check the status in rosetta first, but i think there is not much in ubuntu yet
| |
| 14:07 | <jammcq> W^^harddd: tell us what the issues are, so we can help you
| |
| 14:08 | <ogra> will do, so bzr.debian.net is the new one ?
| |
| 14:08 | <W^^harddd> ok
| |
| 14:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: bzr.debian.org, i think.
| |
| 14:08 | <ogra> ah, k
| |
| 14:08 | thats not on alioth ?
| |
| 14:08 | <vagrantc> ogra: i'll let you know when i've moved them
| |
| 14:08 | <pscheie> vagrantc: can I point a client to a specific xorg.conf file in lts.conf?
| |
| 14:09 | <ogra> pscheie, sure
| |
| 14:09 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, you can access the same files from alioth ... so it might be part of the same infrastructure, but with shorter URLs.
| |
| 14:09 | <pscheie> syntax?
| |
| 14:09 | <W^^harddd> my users use Kingston usbs . The problem is that when user insert there usb . the Kingston folder appears on the Desktop and even i have test 12 steps n all works fine . but the folder that appears on the desktop doesnot have usb data
| |
| 14:09 | <vagrantc> XF86CONFIG=/path/to/xorg.conf
| |
| 14:09 | <ogra> in a MAC address based subsection fo the client
| |
| 14:09 | <vagrantc> it's a legacy value from the old XFree86 days ... we should make a new variable...
| |
| 14:10 | <ogra> and the path is relative to /opt/ltsp/$ARCH
| |
| 14:10 | <pscheie> right, already got a specific subsection setup for this tc
| |
| 14:10 | <jammcq> W^^harddd: what you need to do is complete the 12-step checklist, and email the results to sbalneav@ltsp.org
| |
| 14:10 | he's the guru for that
| |
| 14:10 | <W^^harddd> ok
| |
| 14:10 | i will do that
| |
| 14:10 | <pscheie> where is scotty lately?
| |
| 14:10 | <W^^harddd> but i have a question .
| |
| 14:11 | <jammcq> scotty is in the first day of going live with a whole new system at his office
| |
| 14:11 | new custom software suite for managing legal aide
| |
| 14:11 | <vagrantc> !checklist
| |
| 14:11 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
| |
| 14:11 | <W^^harddd> ok leave it
| |
| 14:11 | <jammcq> I expect him to have much less hair the next time I see him
| |
| 14:11 | <W^^harddd> i will mail
| |
| 14:12 | <vagrantc> ogra: i think you can *probably* safely merge the gettext translations. but the debconf translations are still without some of the ltsp-client-builder stuff you've done.
| |
| 14:13 | <ogra> well, that will grow ...
| |
| 14:13 | <Gadi> joebaker: sudo gconf-editor
| |
| 14:13 | cliebow has quit IRC | |
| 14:13 | <ogra> the client-builder pieces will get more text ...
| |
| 14:13 | <Gadi> joebaker: gnome-volume-manager
| |
| 14:13 | <vagrantc> ogra: i'll merge the client-builder stuff for lenny, with a bit of rewriting, that is :)
| |
| 14:14 | <ogra> oki
| |
| 14:14 | <joebaker> Gadi: Thanks.... I'm looking at my notes for having crossed this bridge in the past...
| |
| 14:14 | <ogra> i'll try to find some tzime to rewrite big chunks of the postinst of the udeb ... i want proper output
| |
| 14:16 | <pscheie> jammcq: I *removed* the cdrom drive from my Dell laptop client, still get the phantom floppy folder on desktop even with no local devices :-(
| |
| 14:17 | very odd
| |
| 14:18 | cliebow has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:19 | andresmujica has left #ltsp | |
| 14:20 | <vagrantc> ogra: presuming the defaults worked about the same way they do now, would you mind a split of ltsp-build-client into it's own package, and a real basic ltsp-client-core package?
| |
| 14:20 | <ogra> hmm, why ?
| |
| 14:21 | <vagrantc> ltsp-build-client will be needed for cross-architecture installs, and ltsp-client-core would be useful to make a more general-purpose thin-client that doesn't have X or something.
| |
| 14:21 | <ogra> i'd keep everything that makes a thin-client in one package ...
| |
| 14:21 | linescanner_ has quit IRC | |
| 14:21 | <ogra> well, you will always need ltsp-build-client
| |
| 14:22 | i dont really see the reason why we should split that
| |
| 14:22 | <vagrantc> because you don't want all the tftp server and nfs server bits just to create the chroot environment.
| |
| 14:22 | <ogra> ??
| |
| 14:22 | tftp server bits ?
| |
| 14:23 | <vagrantc> the package dependencies
| |
| 14:23 | <ogra> you are talking about ltsp-server, not -client
| |
| 14:23 | <vagrantc> yes.
| |
| 14:23 | <ogra> ltsp-client doesnt have any nfs/tftp bits
| |
| 14:23 | * vagrantc wonders how many times we've had this conversation. | |
| 14:24 | <vagrantc> i want to be able to install a bare-bones thin-client without X, without sound, without any bells or whistles.
| |
| 14:24 | <ogra> right, but you never said you wanted to split ltsp-client and ltsp-build-client ... that simply makes no sense to me
| |
| 14:25 | <vagrantc> ogra: i've said it on numerous occasions.
| |
| 14:25 | <ogra> we wanted to split ltsp-client in different subpackages iirc ...
| |
| 14:25 | but nothing about ripping out ltsp-build-client
| |
| 14:25 | <vagrantc> i think it would be simpler to make the "ltsp-client" pull in everything, and make an "ltsp-client-core" package that was just the bare-bones stuff to boot with NFS root.
| |
| 14:26 | ogra: i definitely talked about splitting ltsp-build-client into it's own package.
| |
| 14:26 | <ogra> you still need ltsp-build-client
| |
| 14:26 | <vagrantc> correct. but you don't always need ltsp-server.
| |
| 14:26 | <ogra> i really cant remember that
| |
| 14:26 | and i dont like the idea ... let mee sleep a night over it ...
| |
| 14:26 | <vagrantc> ogra: i bet i could find posts to the list.
| |
| 14:27 | ogra: sure :)
| |
| 14:35 | cliebow has quit IRC | |
| 14:39 | <joebaker> Gadi - Thanks for the tip with gconf-edit I've disabled the actions and will see what comes of it after rebooting. However, I'm hoping that if users put local devices into their thin clients that those devices will show up. In other words, I need to be able to mask certian devices from showing up that are local to the server and universal to all users.
| |
| 14:40 | <W^^harddd> is there any progress of usb working on windows ?
| |
| 14:47 | <Gadi> W^^harddd: I have a package for this on the wiki for LTSP 4.2. For LTSP5, I have a simple automount solution working already - just playing with it a bit before I put anything together for others to test (right now, uses autofs+udev)
| |
| 14:48 | <pscheie> W^^harddd: I don't understand the question, but obviously Gadi does; clarify?
| |
| 14:49 | <Gadi> RDP+localdev
| |
| 14:49 | * Gadi assumes | |
| 14:49 | <pscheie> ah, okay, I get it
| |
| 14:49 | <Gadi> ie, running rdesktop as a screen script and getting local device support
| |
| 14:51 | <pscheie> anyone know if Macs support remote displaying of apps?
| |
| 14:52 | <Gadi> Apple Remote Desktop
| |
| 14:52 | its VNC on steroids
| |
| 14:52 | (according to the booth babes) ;)
| |
| 14:52 | <pscheie> no, I just want one application, not the whole desktop
| |
| 14:52 | <Gadi> install vnc server
| |
| 14:52 | <W^^harddd> yes
| |
| 14:52 | <Gadi> they make it for MAC
| |
| 14:52 | <W^^harddd> i m using rdesktop
| |
| 14:53 | <pscheie> the NWEA software, I'm told, runs on Windows and now Mac
| |
| 14:53 | supposedly it's java-based but won't run on Linux
| |
| 14:53 | (see k12ltsp archives for some history)
| |
| 14:53 | usually people use RDP and a Win Term Server
| |
| 14:53 | <W^^harddd> but Usb dont work on windows
| |
| 14:54 | <pscheie> but it occurs to me why not run it on a Mac and remote display to Linux tc?
| |
| 14:54 | <Gadi> W^^harddd: what version of LTSP?
| |
| 14:55 | <W^^harddd> 4.2
| |
| 14:55 | <Gadi> pscheie: I think with MAC< you have a choice between vnc and vnc
| |
| 14:55 | unless nxserver has a mac flavor
| |
| 14:55 | <pscheie> so, it doesn't really do remote display like we think of with *nix
| |
| 14:56 | even tho it's unix (mach) underneath
| |
| 14:56 | <W^^harddd> can i have some documentation of that ?
| |
| 14:56 | <Gadi> W^^harddd: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#LTSP_4_2_RDP_localdev
| |
| 14:56 | <joebaker> My destop partition icons were the result of lots of entries in /etc/fstab which created mount points for partitions I didn't tell the Ubuntu installer about. I unmounted those, then removed their entries from /etc/fstab and the offending icons went away.
| |
| 14:56 | <Gadi> pscheie: Mach is not X
| |
| 14:56 | and I dont know much about Mach
| |
| 14:57 | but, I know it doesnt do XDMCP ;)
| |
| 14:57 | <pscheie> Mach is the kernel, not the display parts
| |
| 14:57 | <Gadi> joebaker: strong work (as my wife the doctor likes to say)
| |
| 14:57 | <W^^harddd> thx Gadi
| |
| 14:58 | <joebaker> Thanks Gadi.
| |
| 14:58 | <Gadi> pscheie: really?
| |
| 14:58 | huh
| |
| 14:58 | I always thought it was the display bits
| |
| 14:58 | * Gadi wallows in his ignorance | |
| 14:59 | <pscheie> I think Mach was developed at Carnegie-Mellon or some such
| |
| 14:59 | I'm not a mac person, obviously, but the GUI/display stuff is the value-add that Apple provides
| |
| 15:00 | <joebaker> Gadi: so does "Strong Work" mean "good job". What part of the world is the term "strong work" from?
| |
| 15:00 | <pscheie> they have funky names like Cocoa, and so on. Not good useful, practical, easy-to-remember names like DHCP and XDMCP
| |
| 15:00 | :-)
| |
| 15:00 | <Gadi> zactly, joebaker, its Medical Resident slang
| |
| 15:00 | ;)
| |
| 15:00 | <joebaker> :)
| |
| 15:04 | <Gadi> pscheie: http://blandname.com/2006/11/03/how-to-connect-to-a-mac-remote-desktop-using-vnc/
| |
| 15:05 | <pscheie> Gadi: thanks
| |
| 15:05 | but as the article says, it seems best for remotely admining a box; I want a bunch of users to be able to run an app on the Mac
| |
| 15:06 | I'm just not sure if it will handle it well, architecturally
| |
| 15:06 | probably not, is my guess
| |
| 15:11 | <W^^harddd> <pscheie> NWEA software. wats that ?
| |
| 15:12 | <pscheie> nwea.org produces some sort of testing software that schools use to see their progress in improving their teaching
| |
| 15:12 | Skarmeth has quit IRC | |
| 15:12 | J45p3r_ has quit IRC | |
| 15:12 | <pscheie> No Child Left Behind testing just checks whether your school meets certain threshholds
| |
| 15:13 | NWEA shows you whether you are making progress toward your goals, as a school
| |
| 15:13 | <W^^harddd> ok
| |
| 15:14 | <pscheie> NWEA is based in seattle, so, as I understand it, the first client software was for Windows
| |
| 15:14 | despite the fact that schools are largely apple-based
| |
| 15:14 | they have a mac client now, not sure how long it's been around
| |
| 15:14 | but I understand that it was added later
| |
| 15:16 | when I pitched ltsp to a superintendent, the first thing she said was 'we could use linux for our nwea testing, which is a logistical nightmare'
| |
| 15:16 | since they have to get all the kids through the computer lab to do the test and do it in a timely fashion
| |
| 15:17 | I think the current route by most k12ltsp-ers is to use Win Term Server and RDP on the thin client
| |
| 15:17 | WTS=$$$
| |
| 15:17 | $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
| |
| 15:33 | <Gadi> pscheie: WTS is not that pricey in education
| |
| 15:34 | and Im sure if you pooled some schools together you could get a break
| |
| 15:37 | <pscheie> compared to K12ltsp, any software is expensive ;-)
| |
| 15:39 | I hope to eventually convince NWEA to make a linux client; it would be in their best interest as it would make their stuff accessible to more schools
| |
| 15:39 | or so I'm told
| |
| 15:39 | when I explain ltsp to folks
| |
| 15:58 | bobby_C has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:07 | pscheie has quit IRC | |
| 16:16 | <gentgeen__> Anyone aware of a reason why MUTT on a debian stable box would suddenly be returning "gnutls_handshake: A record packet with illegal version was received."
| |
| 16:17 | connected over IMAP with SSL (port 993).... everything used to work, no NO email client can connect
| |
| 16:17 | only decent error message is from MUTT, but googling that term resulted in pretty much nothing
| |
| 16:29 | joebaker has quit IRC | |
| 16:29 | Gadi has quit IRC | |
| 16:29 | msinhore has quit IRC | |
| 16:29 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 16:29 | pipedream has quit IRC | |
| 16:29 | wizzy has quit IRC | |
| 16:30 | joebaker has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:30 | Gadi has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:30 | msinhore has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:30 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:30 | wizzy has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:30 | pipedream has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:31 | W^^harddd has quit IRC | |
| 16:33 | daniQ has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:36 | pipedream has quit IRC | |
| 16:36 | wizzy has quit IRC | |
| 16:36 | Gadi has quit IRC | |
| 16:36 | joebaker has quit IRC | |
| 16:36 | msinhore has quit IRC | |
| 16:36 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 16:36 | joebaker has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:36 | Gadi has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:36 | msinhore has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:36 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:36 | wizzy has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:36 | pipedream has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:45 | pipedream has quit IRC | |
| 16:45 | wizzy has quit IRC | |
| 16:45 | Gadi has quit IRC | |
| 16:45 | joebaker has quit IRC | |
| 16:45 | msinhore has quit IRC | |
| 16:45 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 16:45 | joebaker has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:45 | Gadi has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:45 | msinhore has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:45 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:45 | wizzy has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:45 | pipedream has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:52 | bobby_C has quit IRC | |
| 16:52 | ogra_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:53 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 16:55 | gigabytes has quit IRC | |
| 16:58 | pipedream has quit IRC | |
| 16:58 | wizzy has quit IRC | |
| 16:58 | Gadi has quit IRC | |
| 16:58 | joebaker has quit IRC | |
| 16:58 | msinhore has quit IRC | |
| 16:58 | joebaker has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:58 | Gadi has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:58 | msinhore has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:58 | wizzy has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:58 | pipedream has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:05 | pipedream has quit IRC | |
| 17:05 | jammcq has quit IRC | |
| 17:05 | pipedream has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:28 | Gadi has left #ltsp | |
| 17:57 | cliebow has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:57 | <cliebow> daniQ:8)
| |
| 17:58 | lord i am getting dyslectic
| |
| 18:19 | <rjune> damn, missed gadi
| |
| 18:21 | <daniQ> cliebow - lysdexic?
| |
| 18:21 | <cliebow> damn...missed rjune
| |
| 18:21 | <rjune> LOL
| |
| 18:22 | <daniQ> flashplayer is making firefox crash....somehow but i haven
| |
| 18:22 | <cliebow> daniQ: you can try apt-get remove firefox followed by apt-get install firefox..then do the flshplayer thingie again
| |
| 18:23 | man apt-get will show you the options
| |
| 18:25 | <daniQ> i am doing it...i added sudo .... look i can learn!
| |
| 18:25 | firefox is the devil
| |
| 18:26 | rjune is in purple...
| |
| 18:27 | can i do flashplayer from terminal?
| |
| 18:30 | sudo-apt get install firefox
| |
| 18:30 | ahhh i mean flashplayer
| |
| 18:31 | should i use an older version or something because of the crashing?
| |
| 18:33 | efra has quit IRC | |
| 18:33 | jammcq has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:33 | <jammcq> hello
| |
| 18:34 | <vagrantc> jammcq: you again! :)
| |
| 18:34 | <jammcq> indeed
| |
| 18:35 | mistik1 has quit IRC | |
| 18:37 | mistik1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:44 | cliebow has quit IRC | |
| 18:50 | mistik1 has quit IRC | |
| 18:52 | mistik1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:54 | mistik1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:59 | <jammcq> vagrantc: you there?
| |
| 19:09 | <daniQ> cliebow - i have to switch over to the dark side...so i can check my e-mail....micro-ick
| |
| 19:09 | daniQ has quit IRC | |
| 19:43 | <rjune> purple?
| |
| 20:04 | guigouz has joined #ltsp | |
| 20:05 | <guigouz> hello. Is it possible to have the IP configured by the kernel, and keep that configuration after boot (not running dhcp-client again) ?
| |
| 20:05 | <jammcq> anything is possible. But, that isn't supported by LTSP
| |
| 20:05 | <guigouz> thanks
| |
| 20:06 | just found that's not possible with my current setup (i read the network modules after boot)
| |
| 20:07 | TheRiX has joined #ltsp | |
| 20:22 | <vagrantc> jammcq: here now
| |
| 20:23 | initramfs-tools supports grabbing the ip configuration from etherboot.
| |
| 20:23 | <jammcq> vagrantc: hey, Do you remember Octavio's last name?
| |
| 20:23 | or was it 'Otavio' ?
| |
| 20:24 | <vagrantc> Otavio Salvador, i think.
| |
| 20:24 | <jammcq> 'Ot', not 'Oct' ?
| |
| 20:24 | Salvador doesn't ring a bell for me
| |
| 20:24 | mistik1 has quit IRC | |
| 20:24 | * vagrantc looks it up | |
| 20:26 | <vagrantc> jammcq: "Otavio Salvador" is it.
| |
| 20:26 | <jammcq> ok
| |
| 20:26 | I'll take your word for it
| |
| 20:26 | thanks
| |
| 20:26 | <vagrantc> presuming we're talking about the same person, that is... :)
| |
| 20:26 | * jammcq is just trying to give credit where it is due | |
| 20:26 | <jammcq> is he the guy in the wheel chair ?
| |
| 20:27 | <vagrantc> it was largely otavio who implemented the plugins system
| |
| 20:27 | yeah
| |
| 20:27 | <jammcq> he worked on the plugins
| |
| 20:27 | yeah
| |
| 20:28 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-50
| |
| 20:29 | check that, for a bit of info on LTSP-5.0
| |
| 20:30 | <vagrantc> jammcq: any more word from warren or eric about fedora integration?
| |
| 20:31 | <jammcq> last time I talked to Eric, he said nothing much has happened. I know he just released K12LTSP-6, which is based on Fedora Core 6 and LTSP-4.2. THat was a few days ago. I think once the dust has settled, his next priority is LTSP-5
| |
| 20:31 | I think Warren is overwhelmed with his own projects, and not doing anything on ltsp
| |
| 20:31 | <vagrantc> jammcq: should http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5 be merged with LTSP-50 ?
| |
| 20:32 | <jammcq> hmm
| |
| 20:32 | yeah, prolly
| |
| 20:32 | or at least one should point to the other
| |
| 20:33 | <vagrantc> at the very least.
| |
| 20:33 | <jammcq> prolly a single page would be best tho
| |
| 20:33 | pages pointing to pages gets tiring
| |
| 20:36 | <dberkholz> i need to get a paper written and out for work
| |
| 20:36 | then i'll have a bit more time to work
| |
| 20:36 | <jammcq> cool
| |
| 20:37 | <dberkholz> always too many projects ...
| |
| 20:39 | <jammcq> I merged the two pages, and here's the result:
| |
| 20:39 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
| |
| 20:58 | <vagrantc> jammcq: nice.
| |
| 20:59 | <jammcq> there's so much more that can be said, but this is a start anyway
| |
| 21:00 | http://www.LTSP.org now should take you to the brand spanking new LTSP home page
| |
| 21:00 | AMD donated one hell of a nice server for us to use. Dual opteron with 8gb of ram
| |
| 21:00 | <vagrantc> for a web server?
| |
| 21:00 | <jammcq> well, for whatever we need
| |
| 21:01 | and at the moment, we need a web server
| |
| 21:01 | <vagrantc> :)
| |
| 21:01 | <jammcq> it'll prolly get moved around
| |
| 21:01 | <vagrantc> is my DNS just outdated, or does the new site look a lot like the old on?
| |
| 21:01 | one
| |
| 21:02 | <jammcq> it may take a while to propagate
| |
| 21:02 | www.ltsp.org should resolve to 70.91.230.211
| |
| 21:02 | I just changed it about 60 minutes ago
| |
| 21:03 | <vagrantc> hmmm... it's almost unreadable on my small screen.
| |
| 21:03 | <jammcq> what is?
| |
| 21:03 | <vagrantc> the graphic header at the top eats about 70% of the browser space
| |
| 21:03 | www.ltsp.org
| |
| 21:03 | <jammcq> hmm
| |
| 21:03 | damn
| |
| 21:03 | how small is your screen?
| |
| 21:04 | <vagrantc> 800x600 ... though my browser is maybe only given 70% of the verical space ...
| |
| 21:04 | <jammcq> hmm
| |
| 21:04 | I'll have to fix that
| |
| 21:04 | <vagrantc> viewing it in full screen is fine ...
| |
| 21:04 | <jammcq> it's a bit large, I'll agree with that
| |
| 21:05 | <vagrantc> though i'd still recommend making the graphic a little smaller
| |
| 21:05 | fxrsliberty has joined #ltsp | |
| 21:06 | <vagrantc> jammcq: could you make the links hover underneath the graphic, so they're always available to click on? :)
| |
| 21:06 | that's about it for my feedback :)
| |
| 21:07 | <jammcq> you mean left-justify them
| |
| 21:07 | ?
| |
| 21:07 | fxrsliberty has quit IRC | |
| 21:08 | <jammcq> or are you talking about including those links on the other pages?
| |
| 21:09 | <vagrantc> jammcq: just on the main page
| |
| 21:09 | <jammcq> I dont understand
| |
| 21:10 | <vagrantc> hmmm...
| |
| 21:13 | jammcq: when i visit http://www.ltsp.org , and i scroll to the bottom of the screen, i can no longer see all the links, Downloads Documentation Support Success Stories Community Wiki
| |
| 21:13 | but if they could stay at the top of the screen, just like the LTSP.org graphic, that would be nice.
| |
| 21:14 | <jammcq> ah
| |
| 21:14 | I guess I was expecting that the text on the page would never be big enough to need scrolling
| |
| 21:14 | not thinking about people using tiny screens
| |
| 21:14 | <vagrantc> we do exist :)
| |
| 21:14 | * jammcq has a 1920x1600 | |
| 21:15 | <jammcq> EVERY web page on the internet fits on my screen :)
| |
| 21:15 | <vagrantc> not all at once, though.
| |
| 21:15 | <jammcq> heh
| |
| 22:06 | TheRiX has quit IRC | |
| 22:08 | oldwolf has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:09 | <oldwolf> Hi all, may I know is "Local Apps" able to use in Muekow? thanks
| |
| 22:11 | <vagrantc> oldwolf: it is possible, but requires a lot of manual work at the moment.
| |
| 22:11 | oldwolf: the easiest thing to set up is running all applications locally.
| |
| 22:11 | oldwolf: but running some locally, and some on the server is difficult.
| |
| 22:12 | <oldwolf> Is it possible for me to get the manual/doc? Coz I've done massive search on google but found none
| |
| 22:16 | <vagrantc> there isn't much.
| |
| 22:16 | /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/workstation
| |
| 22:17 | i think that's in both debian and ubuntu packages now ...
| |
| 22:19 | oldwolf: which distro are you using?
| |
| 22:20 | <oldwolf> vagrantc: ubuntu
| |
| 22:21 | <vagrantc> oldwolf: did you find that file?
| |
| 22:22 | <oldwolf> vagrantc: yeah, I've read it
| |
| 22:22 | <vagrantc> oldwolf: see what i mean by not much? :)
| |
| 22:22 | <oldwolf> vagrantc: haha, I got what you mean
| |
| 22:23 | vagrantc: 44 lines, really not much
| |
| 22:24 | <vagrantc> it's an area i'm interested in. probably going to help freegeek get something like that set up soon.
| |
| 22:24 | <oldwolf> vagrantc: some ubuntu developers are going to this
| |
| 22:25 | <vagrantc> ogra_ already started working on it for feisty, i know.
| |
| 22:27 | <oldwolf> vagrantc: so I need to go back 4.2 if I want the hybrid
| |
| 22:28 | <vagrantc> oldwolf: no, you just need to be the person to write the docs :)
| |
| 22:28 | <oldwolf> vagrant: can you give me some guides to set up a hybrid system?
| |
| 22:29 | <vagrantc> oldwolf: you'll need some sort of network authentication, mount the user's home directory on the thin-client, and then ssh -X back to the thin client to run the application ...
| |
| 22:29 | that should work, i think.
| |
| 22:30 | <oldwolf> vagrantc: so just like the 4.2, by using NIS and NFS
| |
| 22:30 | <vagrantc> oldwolf: or LDAP instead of NIS ... i suspect ubuntu will move towards using LDAP
| |
| 22:32 | <oldwolf> vagrantc: ok, I will put some efforts on it, thanks anyway
| |
| 22:34 | <vagrantc> oldwolf: thanks for considering putting some work into it :)
| |
| 22:35 | oldwolf: wiki.ltsp.org would probably be a good place to document your success :)
| |
| 22:36 | <oldwolf> vagrantc: yeah, i knew, coz I already contributed one article at there
| |
| 22:48 | oldwolf has quit IRC | |
| 23:19 | Empiric has quit IRC | |