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Channel log from 11 October 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:34 | <oviri> hi
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| 02:06 | <oviri> i'm in search for documentation to get my webcam work on a thin client (ltsp5 on ubuntu feisty)
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| 02:09 | i've take a look at ltsp mailing list but i have found nothing
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| 04:04 | <oviri> :s anybody had configured a webcam on a thin client with ltsp5?
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| 04:36 | <oviri> so, i'll ask google again, hope that i'll find aswers :|
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| 04:36 | thanx, bye
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| 05:38 | <Q-FUNK> guys
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| 05:39 | it seems that the Ubuntu LTSP HOWTO skips one important step: configuring DHCP.
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| 05:39 | instead, it syas that everythign should work out of the box on Edubuntu
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| 05:41 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, nope
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| 05:41 | read again :)
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| 05:42 | <ogra> "Configure your spare interface for the thin clients to have the IP 192.168.0.1, then follow the instructions below." ....
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| 05:42 | "Note that if you want to use another IP than the above, you need to edit the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file to match the IP values and restart the dhcp server." ...
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| 05:42 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: it might help if someone reviewed all the HOWTOs availabe on the ubuntu wiki and marked documents concerining older releases as such
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| 05:43 | the documentation is incorrect
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| 05:43 | <ogra> well, i constantly keep an eye on the docs under https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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| 05:43 | <Q-FUNK> dhcp is simply not started unless that sample dhcpd.conf is copied to /etc/dhcp3/
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| 05:43 | <ogra> they ususally match the laztest release
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| 05:43 | thats wrong
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| 05:44 | <Q-FUNK> not it's not
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| 05:44 | <ogra> if -standalone is installed /etc/dhcp3/ is completely ignored
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| 05:44 | <Q-FUNK> I've had requests from 3 different customers and I ended up haivng to copy the config in all 3 cases
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| 05:44 | on Gutsy beta
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| 05:45 | <ogra> well, doesnt happen here
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| 05:45 | neither on beta nor RC
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| 05:45 | and looking at the code nothing changed
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| 05:45 | /etc/dhcp3/ is still ignored on my fresh install as well as on my upgraded one
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| 05:46 | are you sure you used ubuntu ?
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| 05:46 | debian does handle that completely different
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| 05:46 | there you have to touch the dhcp config and it uses /etc/dhcp3
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| 05:47 | <Q-FUNK> read again. I said Gutsty beta.
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| 05:47 | <ogra> i know what you said
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| 05:47 | <Q-FUNK> on edubuntu.
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| 05:47 | <ogra> i'm doing about 6 test installs a ady since more than 10 days
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| 05:47 | i would think i would have noticed if there were any dhcp probs
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| 05:48 | did you fulfill the reqs for the automated install ? (two NICS etc ?)
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| 05:48 | <Q-FUNK> also, the external interface had to be enabled by hand in /etc/network/interfaces as it was commented out by default
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| 05:48 | <ogra> hmm, not here
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| 05:49 | are you really sure that was beta ?
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| 05:49 | <Q-FUNK> and stupid udev had named the interfaces as eth2 and eth3 in its persistant name rules
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| 05:49 | <ogra> that was a pre beta bug
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| 05:49 | iirc
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| 05:57 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, i'm really not sure wghat you installed there but edubuntu definatrely never used /etc/dhcp3/ (only /etc/ltsp/), the udev bug was supposed to be fixed on beta (and i cant remember seeing it)
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| 05:58 | and i have no explanation why your interfaces file was commented, havent seen that here
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| 06:04 | <Q-FUNK> odd
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| 07:54 | <joebaker> ogra: I've found that Ubuntu 7.04 had dhcpd.conf in both /etc/ltsp/ and in /etc/dhcp3/
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| 07:54 | <joebaker> I resolved it by making one a simbolic link to the other.
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| 07:55 | So I would have consistency no matter which file was operated on.
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| 07:55 | Good Morning
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| 08:10 | <ogra> joebaker, only the /etc/ltsp/ one is used if it exists
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| 08:10 | which is the case in edubuntu by default
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| 08:10 | indeed you can link one to the other
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| 08:13 | <Blinny> Why would Gutsy not find my 3c905b card after first boot? I'm already trying acpi=off noapic nolapic
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| 08:39 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:39 | <Blinny> Morning.
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| 08:40 | <sbalneav> Blinny: No idea. Does lspci see it on the bus?
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| 08:43 | <Blinny> sbalneav: Interestingly, I just figured it out w/ help in #ubuntu+1 -- it was being assigned to eth3
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| 08:43 | (even though it's the only NIC in the box)
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> Ah
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| 08:44 | check your /etc/iftab
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| 08:44 | You've probably got some other mac addresses in there
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| 08:44 | eth0 mac 00:0B:6a:36:40:c4 arp 1
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| 08:44 | eth1 mac 00:02:b3:d1:f6:61 arp 1
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| 08:44 | on my box
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| 08:45 | to assign it to a particular mac, do an eth0 mac <mac of 3c905> arp 1
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| 08:45 | reboot the box and voiala
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| 08:45 | voila
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| 08:45 | <Blinny> Actually it was in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
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| 08:45 | I don't have an /etc/iftab
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> This gutsy?
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| 08:46 | <Blinny> Yeah
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> ah, yeah, they changed it in gutsy. Assumed you were at feisty.
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| 08:46 | <Blinny> I'm trying Gutsy to test an LTSP5
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| 08:47 | That's funky.
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| 08:47 | I guess it makes sense. google wasn't much help though.. I guess I wasn't asking the right questions.
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| 08:47 | Thanks sbalneav
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| 08:47 | <sbalneav> NP
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| 08:48 | The problem with trying to make everything automagical is when it works the way you want, it's magic. When it DOESN'T, then it's more complicated than doing it manually :)
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| 08:48 | <Blinny> True.
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| 08:48 | My boss thinks I made that word up: automagic
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| 08:49 | <sbalneav> Nope. Cetified valid IT word :)
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| 09:24 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 09:26 | <Blinny> Mawnin.
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| 09:33 | <rjune> jammcq !
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| 09:34 | <PMantis> HI guys. I'm scratching my head (and feeling weird that this isnt' jumping out at me)
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| 09:35 | <cyberorg> hi all!
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| 09:35 | <PMantis> At the school, only *ONE* thin client is connecting via XDMCP, the others have a gray screen??
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| 09:35 | restarting GDM doesn't help.
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| 09:36 | <sbalneav> What's the value of SERVER?
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| 09:37 | <PMantis> sbalneav: It's correct, 10.60.1.10
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| 09:38 | I ctrl-Alt-backapsace's on a couple TCs.. no help.
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| 09:38 | * PMantis used to diag this for others in #ltsp, too! | |
| 09:39 | <PMantis> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2021 2007-05-10 10:53 /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 09:39 | All was working last week, and nobody else knows the root PW. heh
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> Something blocking the port on the server? Is it listening? netstat -an | grep :177, etc.
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| 09:39 | <PMantis> Netstat is ok port 177, no iptables rules
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| 09:39 | <sbalneav> Switch blocking udp 177
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| 09:39 | <PMantis> # netstat -anp | grep ":177 "
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| 09:39 | udp 21724 0 0.0.0.0:177 0.0.0.0:* 5447/gdm
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| 09:40 | Heh, switches are unmanaged
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| 09:41 | I think tcpdump is needed
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| 09:41 | <ogra> grep MaxSessions /etc/gdm/*
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| 09:41 | <sbalneav> yeah, could be
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| 09:41 | out of sessions, maybe
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| 09:41 | <ogra> which a restart should solve ...
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| 09:41 | i was up for something different :)
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| 09:42 | (upgrades that replace config changes ;) )
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| 09:42 | <PMantis> ogra: 3 files, all entries are commented (#)
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| 09:42 | <PMantis> Commented versions show 16.
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| 09:42 | <ogra> yeah, seems to be the default value
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| 09:47 | <PMantis> Students are here, arrrgh. trying a reboot.
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| 09:54 | <rjune> PMantis: sup funk!
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| 09:56 | <PMantis> hey rjune
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| 09:57 | <hiko_hitokiri> hey alguien que hable español y pueda ayudarme
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| 09:58 | o donde puedo encontrar ayuda en español
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| 09:59 | <vagrantc> hiko_hitokiri: hablo un poco ...
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| 10:05 | <hiko_hitokiri> I need aid with ltsp I want to know if utilise can be done that the repositorios of my dvd and that it does not lower them of Internet
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| 10:07 | <rjune> PMantis: how you been?
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| 10:08 | <hiko_hitokiri> I need aid with ltsp I want to know if it is possible to do that utilise the repositorios of my dvd and that not them download of Internet
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| 10:08 | alguien me puede ayudar
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| 10:10 | <hiko_hitokiri> alguien aqui que hable español
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| 10:13 | <krishna> hiko_hitokiri, hablo un poquito
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| 10:13 | hiko_hitokiri, deseas usar un dvd como repositorio del debian?
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| 10:13 | <hiko_hitokiri> krishna, hola
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| 10:14 | no quiero hacer que cuando le doy ltsp-build-client no baje los paquetes de internet
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| 10:14 | sino usar mis dvd de debian que de ahi tome los paquetes
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| 10:15 | <vagrantc_> ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///path/a/dvd
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| 10:16 | <hiko_hitokiri> hum
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| 10:16 | voy aprovar eso
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| 10:16 | muchas gracias vagrantc
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| 10:16 | <vagrantc_> de nada
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| 10:18 | <hiko_hitokiri> vagrantc, el iso que se encuentra en internet se supone que es hecho con una distro de ltsp ya creada anterior mente si funciona o nop
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| 10:22 | <vagrantc_> hiko_hitokiri: lo siento ... no entiendo ...
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| 10:23 | <hiko_hitokiri> hum
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| 10:23 | que si has visto que en internet
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| 10:24 | dan una iso de ltsp
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| 10:24 | segun estava leyendo es una imagen de ltsp casi exacta solo por que le falta un archivo
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| 10:24 | el de list.package o algo asi
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| 10:24 | <vagrantc_> ah
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| 10:24 | <hiko_hitokiri> sera que esa iso si funciona
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| 10:25 | vagrantc_, de donde eres?
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| 10:25 | <vagrantc_> hiko_hitokiri: los estados unidos
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| 10:26 | hiko_hitokiri: es possible crear un CD de LTSP con mi otra proyecto: http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD
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| 10:26 | <hiko_hitokiri> hummmmmm. que bien
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| 10:28 | <hiko_hitokiri> es que la cosa es que . queremos implementarlo aqui en mi pais para las escuelas de bajos recursos
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| 10:28 | pero voy empezando en esto del ltsp
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| 10:29 | <vagrantc_> hiko_hitokiri: de donde eres?
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| 10:30 | <hiko_hitokiri> de el salvador
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| 10:31 | <Blinny> How do I make VESA do 1024x768 in 4.2? Mine is ignoring it and defaulting to 800x600
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| 10:32 | <vagrantc_> Blinny: are you sure the hardware can support it?
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| 10:32 | <PMantis> rjune: Been good... class just ended. We had no thin clients for computer class. :(
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| 10:34 | tcpdump ran on the server shows activity:
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| 10:34 | 11:33:45.784804 IP 10.60.1.10.xdmcp > 10.60.1.217.2048: UDP, length 44
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| 10:34 | 11:33:46.069223 IP 10.60.1.254.2048 > 10.60.1.10.xdmcp: UDP, length 98
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| 10:34 | multiple clients keep trying...
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| 10:37 | <Blinny> vagrantc_: I dunno if it can w/ VESA server, but the i810 xserver will go way up.
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| 10:37 | I'm trying to use VESA because i810 keeps crashing
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| 10:37 | <vagrantc_> ah.
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| 10:38 | Blinny: have you specified a resolution in lts.conf ?
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| 10:38 | <ogra> might be that the old vesa driver was limited to 800x600
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| 10:38 | or at least defaulted to it
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| 10:38 | <vagrantc_> Blinny: on my latest tests of debian, i've seen vesa to 1200x1024
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| 10:38 | <ogra> vagrantc_, 4.2
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| 10:39 | <vagrantc_> ah.
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| 10:39 | <ogra> two years old X drivers
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| 10:39 | <Blinny> Yeah, old X drivers.
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| 10:39 | Yes, specifying X_MODE_0 both with all the modeline info and without
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| 10:39 | <vagrantc_> ogra: i had someone at a party accost me saying that LTSP5 on ubuntu sucks.,
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| 10:40 | <ogra> :P
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc_> ogra: apparently it wouldn't work on their hardware but ltsp 4.2 worked fine.
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| 10:40 | <Blinny> I do see a "MODE: 105 (1024x769) in xorg.log
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| 10:40 | <ogra> which version did they test ?
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc_> i told them to file bug reports
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| 10:40 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:40 | i agree that ltsp5 up to dapper wasnt great
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| 10:41 | but from edgy to today its way beyond 4.x
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc_> it did sound like one of those "it just hangs sometimes and i can't reproduce it" sort of bugs.
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| 10:41 | but at least in a bug report you could prompt for more specifics about the hardware and such...
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| 10:41 | <jammcq> ogra: in most ways
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| 10:42 | <Blinny> xorg.log also says: "(II) VESA(0): Not using mode '1024x768' (no mode of this name)"
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| 10:42 | <ogra> jammcq, depending on how much you invers in adjusting it in all ways
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| 10:42 | *invest
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| 10:42 | <jammcq> LTSP-4.2 still kicks ass in speed and memory requirements
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| 10:42 | <ogra> jammcq, i'm able top make it boot faster than 4.2 ;) and also make it run on lower ram specs
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc_> and will probably continue to do so.
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| 10:43 | <ogra> what i cant change is the CPU reqs
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| 10:43 | <jammcq> but in terms of functionality, LTSP-5 is the way to go
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| 10:43 | <vagrantc_> jammcq: would you say speed and memory are the only things at this point?
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| 10:44 | <ogra> gutsy boots on 28M ....
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| 10:44 | <jammcq> umm, the only meaningful things.
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| 10:44 | <ogra> how low does it need to go to be on par ?
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| 10:44 | <ogra> 24 ?
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| 10:44 | or does 4.2 boot in 16 ?
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| 10:44 | <jammcq> ogra: well, the thing is, the hardware is getting better all the time, so it's becoming less important to work on older equipment
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| 10:45 | ltsp-4.2 can do it in 8mb if you enable swap
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| 10:45 | <Blinny> I thought the whole point was to work on old equipment
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| 10:45 | <ogra> ah, k
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| 10:45 | <jammcq> but it's not a terminal i would want to use
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc_> old is a relative term...
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| 10:45 | <ogra> Blinny, the question is if you want to support 10 year old or 20 year old equipment :)
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| 10:45 | <vagrantc_> i mean, fregeek, which collects "old equipment" doesn't (usually) keep anything slower than 700 MHz anymore.
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| 10:46 | <ogra> wow, really
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| 10:46 | <jammcq> at this point, I'd say anything that could run Win-98 and up makes a dandy thin client
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| 10:46 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:46 | <jammcq> you really couldn't rin win-98 in less than 64mb I think
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| 10:46 | s/rin/run/
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| 10:46 | <Blinny> This is a PIII 833mhz I'm dealing with; it has 384MB
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| 10:46 | <jammcq> should make an awesome thin client
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| 10:46 | <Blinny> (though I have active P1 200mhz machines)
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| 10:46 | <ogra> well, gutsy swaps from initramfs by default if you have less than 48M
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| 10:47 | <vagrantc_> a P-II 300MHz with 64 MB of ram works fine.
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| 10:47 | <ogra> so ram really isnt the main issue anymore
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| 10:47 | <Blinny> Yeah it should, if I could just get the xserver to work correctly. This is the same brand of machines that has given me trouble since day 1.
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| 10:48 | Does anyone know how to take the output of xorg.log's Modes and then make an X_MODE_0 in lts.conf ?
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| 10:48 | <ogra> X_MODE_0="1024x768" should suffice even with 4.2, no ?
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| 10:49 | <Blinny> ogra: It should, but it does not.
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| 10:49 | <ogra> beyond that xvidtune is your friend ;)
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| 10:49 | <Blinny> ok I'll try to work something out using that
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| 10:49 | Thanks
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc_> Blinny: have you messed with X_VERTREFRESH and X_HORZSYNC ?
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| 10:50 | <Blinny> vagrantc_: Not yet. I was trying out the full X_MODE_0 lines (with all the specifications per syncs) one at a time.
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| 10:51 | video modes are not tunable on this chip
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| 10:51 | Hrm.
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| 10:51 | I'm going to step away. Maybe a little fresh air will give me new ideas.
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| 10:51 | <vagrantc_> Blinny: try LTSP5? :)
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| 10:52 | <Blinny> vagrantc_: I am on a test box. It's not quite that easy when LTSP isn't the only thing on the server.
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| 10:52 | (and it's Fedora)
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| 10:52 | BBL. Thanks for the pointers.
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| 10:53 | <ogra> "(and it's Fedora)" ... tsk ... thats no excuse to not start implementing it :P
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc_> ogra: plan on making any string changes to debconf in the near future?
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| 10:55 | <PMantis> Guys, I'm stumped... Gray screen on thin clients... now all of them... I can't Xnest from my laptop either. port 177 is listening on the server, and tcpdump on server shows gdm responding to query. Ideas?
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| 10:55 | <ogra> vagrantc_, i dont think i want to touch the udeb every again :P
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| 10:55 | <vagrantc_> heh!
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| 10:55 | <ogra> (do we have any other debfconf ?)
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| 10:56 | <vagrantc_> there's like one other thing in ltsp-client-core
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| 10:56 | <ogra> ah, right
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| 10:56 | <vagrantc_> the "don't install this by hand" warning, basically.
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| 10:57 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:57 | the one that makes the canonical autotest suite fail every time :P
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| 10:58 | <vagrantc_> heh
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| 10:58 | <PMantis> jammcq: buddy, pal ? :-D
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| 10:59 | <rjune> PMantis: why didnt' you have any thin clients/
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| 11:00 | <PMantis> rjune, I can't figure that out for some reason. Noe of the PC's with bootable nics are working this week, but were last week. Gray Screen..
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| 11:00 | <rjune> iptables on the server?
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| 11:00 | <PMantis> rjune, Classic issue, but none of my tests are helping me.
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| 11:00 | Crap, BRB
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| 11:08 | <vykarian> hi guys.. is there a related problem about printing delay with lts clients?
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| 11:08 | I'm having strange delay (around 20 minutes for file > 20 mb) printing thru lts clients
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| 11:09 | already changed the box..
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| 11:09 | could be cups? yes.. but when I remove the LTS client and put a print server (URI socket://ip.address.from.station:9100, just like lts client) it works great
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| 11:11 | <PManti1> rjune sorry
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| 11:13 | <vagrantc_> vykarian: how much memory do your thin clients have?
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| 11:13 | if they're running out of memory and have to resort to swap, it may take a while...
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| 11:14 | <vykarian> thin clients = 128 and box (some old stuff) all with 256
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| 11:14 | think that's difficult.. LOCAL_APPS = N and they only run lp_server and connect to XDMCP
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| 11:15 | <vagrantc_> i would guess 128MB should be enough to not need swap, unless your files are really large.
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| 11:15 | <vykarian> the weird is that sometimes it takes too long even with 2 mb jobs..
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| 11:16 | I wondered that it could be something with cups or network, but with print-server it is OK.
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| 11:16 | <PManti1> rjune, no iptables, gdm listening to xdmcp...
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| 11:16 | Varies greatly... 16, 128, 256
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| 11:16 | Xnest from my laptop won't work either.
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| 11:16 | and it has 2GB
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| 11:16 | tcpdump shows port 177 traffic replied to by server.
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| 11:17 | oh, a ghost
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| 11:29 | <PMantis> rjune, back again.
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| 11:37 | <PMantis> Hmmmmmmm. *ONE* thin client just connected...
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| 11:38 | tcpdump just showed me an XDMCP Refuse packet going to my laptop.
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| 11:41 | <PMantis> Hmmm, hosts.allow and hosts.deny are empty, except for comments.
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| 11:42 | wiki.ltsp.org own?
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| 11:45 | lol s/own/down/
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| 11:49 | <vagrantc_> PMantis: looks down to me.
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| 11:51 | <PMantis> vagrantc_: ?
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc_> 09:42 < PMantis> wiki.ltsp.org own?
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| 11:52 | <PMantis> lol, oh.
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| 11:52 | * PMantis forgot about that, and didn't look up. | |
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| 12:22 | <lns> What's up all
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| 12:22 | Did you guys see the post about X11 pixmap caching fix that Marc Tardif posted yesterday?
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| 12:22 | http://pastebin.ca/733239
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| 12:25 | my only question is, what's the script that calls startx with Ubuntu (feisty) LTSP?
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc_> that looks similar (or exactly) like the code that sbalneav added to it
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| 12:28 | <lns> vagrantc_, it very well could be - that's what the other post said after this
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| 12:28 | Scott that is.. =)
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc_> if so, it will be included in future versions...
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| 12:29 | <lns> vagrantc_, well if this is a big problem for current ltsp5 installations, what's the script that calls startx?
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| 12:29 | I've got a lab of 35 systems that are crashing left and right because of this
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| 12:30 | i'd love to throw this code in wherever it needs to be
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc_> well, nobody uses startx
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| 12:31 | :)
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| 12:31 | <lns> hehe
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| 12:31 | <vagrantc_> use the LDM script
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| 12:31 | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen* ?
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| 12:32 | * lns launches ssh | |
| 12:33 | <lns> .../screen.d/ ?
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| 12:33 | ldm sdm shell startx telnet
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| 12:36 | i'm assuming I can put it somewhere in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/ldm ?
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc_> if you use ldm (the default) modify the ldm script ... if you use XDMCP, modify startx
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| 12:37 | unless it's broken, you should be able to use /opt/ltsp/i396/etc/ltsp/screen.d/ldm
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| 12:37 | <lns> vagrantc_, thank you... =)
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| 12:37 | oh, is that a link?
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc_> /etc/ltsp/screen.d/* should override /usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/*
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| 12:37 | <lns> gotcha
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc_> and should be modifyable by the sysadmin ...
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| 12:38 | <vagrantc_> whereas, if you modify /usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/* then when you upgrade your package, your modifications will be lost
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| 12:38 | but at some point it was broken...
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| 12:38 | <lns> vagrantc_, ok... lol i'm glad i know that now! =)
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| 12:39 | ty
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| 12:40 | vagrantc_, hmm...i don't have an /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/
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| 12:40 | <vagrantc_> lns: so create it
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| 12:40 | <lns> OH
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| 12:40 | =p
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| 12:41 | vagrantc_, so is the only code I need to throw in the modified code, or do i need to copy the rest from /usr/lib/...
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| 12:41 | ?
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc_> lns: copy the code from /usr/lib and patch it
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| 12:42 | <lns> ok, ty =)
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc_> but you probably should check and make sure that it actually works.
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| 12:43 | <Blinny> ogra: I'd love to implement LTSP5 in Fedora. I'm a little short on pre-developed skills, however, having never built an RPM.
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| 12:44 | <vagrantc_> lns: grep etc /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen_session
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| 12:44 | <lns> guess the only way to do that is to be onsite, eh? =p
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| 12:44 | <cyberorg> Blinny, vagrantc_ has a good base to start for you guys
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| 12:44 | <lns> vagrantc_, oh nice =)
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| 12:45 | <vagrantc_> there's probably like 20 people who've started on an LTSP5 implementation for fedora.
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| 12:45 | myself amoung them
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| 12:45 | <cyberorg> Blinny, it was easier than i thought, i started thinking it would be very difficult as i cannot code a line, but these guys have done all the heavylifting already
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| 12:45 | <lns> vagrantc_, does that if statement execute the /etc/ltsp script inline, or does it exit the current?
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| 12:45 | <Blinny> vagrantc_: I bet. Is there any official project support for the push?
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| 12:45 | * lns needs to learn more scripting | |
| 12:45 | <vagrantc_> Blinny: i've got a bzr branch that you can use... it would get as far as generating a chroot environment and configuring the initramfs for network boot
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| 12:46 | lns: sorry, i don't know what you mean...
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| 12:47 | <Blinny> vagrantc_: Are you actively working on it?
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| 12:47 | <lns> vagrantc_, i'm not sure if that 'if' statement that executes /etc/ltsp/screen.d/$ exits itself to call that script, or it executes the /etc/ script in-line with it, that's running
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| 12:47 | i apologize for being an idiot when it comes to more-than-basic scripting
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc_> Blinny: being a debian user and ltsp developer (and sort of an ltsp maintainer in debian), i just got the bare-bones beginnings started.
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| 12:48 | Blinny: at some point, it takes less time to write the code than explain to people that nobody's done it yet.
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| 12:48 | <Blinny> heh
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| 12:48 | <vagrantc_> but i'm only going to work so hard on a distro i don't actually use
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| 12:48 | so hard == not much
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| 12:49 | <lns> so, essentially, i have to copy everything from /usr/lib/ script instead of thinking it'll already be called
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc_> i spent my 4 hours on it, and you can take what i have, and i'll happily answer questions.
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| 12:49 | lns: you only need to copy the ones you need to modify, which are only the ones you actually use.
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| 12:49 | <Blinny> vagrantc_: Yeah. ogra had mentioned that there was some mumblings from Eric and Warren Togami about putting together a team. Do you know anything about that?
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| 12:50 | <lns> vagrantc_, ok so the whole ldm script though, not just the modified section, ok
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| 12:50 | <vagrantc_> Blinny: we've been hearing nothing but mumblings since september 2006 when we met with both of them.
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| 12:50 | <lns> thanks..again, sorry =p
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| 12:50 | <Blinny> vagrantc_: heh
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| 12:50 | * vagrantc_ notes that it's over a year ago | |
| 12:51 | <Blinny> vagrantc_: Let me ask Eric if there is any current work that he knows of being done on it.
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc_> Blinny: they supposedly had something working after only a few hours of work, but wouldn't show us.
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| 12:52 | <Blinny> heh
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| 12:52 | <vagrantc_> it really can't be that hard if a debian hack managed to get the hardest parts done in a matter of hours
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| 12:53 | <Blinny> You sound as if these guys are a kind of cowboy. I've never met them.
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| 12:53 | * vagrantc_ is a share freely and often sort of developer | |
| 12:54 | <vagrantc_> i'd rather get feedback that could improve it than have it done perfectly on the first attempt
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| 12:54 | <Blinny> Yeah. I thought that's what this was all about.
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| 12:54 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, btw, launchpad did not import our svn tree
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| 12:55 | * vagrantc_ has no love of launchpad | |
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| 12:56 | <cyberorg> vagrantc_, i have no particular feelings for it either way, i put it up there thinking it would be easier for you guys to access it https://launchpad.net/kiwi-ltsp/trunk
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| 12:56 | otherwise it is anyway available here http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/KIWI-LTSP
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| 12:59 | <Blinny> vagrantc_: Where is your bzr branch?
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| 13:01 | <joebob777as7_> ogra you on?
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| 13:03 | <vagrantc_> Blinny: search for: "LTSP5 for Fedora vagrant"
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| 13:06 | <Blinny> heh
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| 13:06 | "The squeaky wheel wins"
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| 13:07 | <Blinny> wiki.ltsp.org down :(
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| 13:07 | <jammcq> we've been having internet connectivity problems all day
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| 13:08 | <Blinny> Dig.
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| 13:31 | <joebob777as7_> mouse on thin client isn't working what should i check? i tried ps/2 and usb
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| 13:35 | sbalneav, you on?
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| 13:38 | anyone on?
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| 13:39 | <lns> joebob777as7, I am...but i'm not sure about your problem ;)
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| 13:40 | <joebob777as7_> sad that's you and google what to do....
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| 13:42 | <Blinny> jammcq: I did find this: http://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=44960&forum=11&post_id=206137
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| 13:42 | joebob777as7_: Can you define "isn't working" ?
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| 13:43 | <joebob777as7_> Blinny, doesn't move but the laser is on
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| 13:44 | mouse buttons don't register either
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| 13:44 | tried two verified working mice...
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| 13:44 | keyboard works fine
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| 13:46 | <Blinny> But only in this client?
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| 13:46 | <joebob777as7_> Blinny, well only client i have right now... it was working last time i logged in about a week ago...
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| 13:49 | <Blinny> USB or PS2 mouse?
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| 13:49 | <joebob777as7_> both
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| 13:50 | also tried booting to two different chroots
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| 13:50 | one i built for this system and another generic
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| 13:53 | <Blinny> What distro / version? Do you have any special parameters in lts.conf?
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| 13:53 | <joebob777as7_> Blinny, edubuntu gutsy no paramaters in lts.conf both mice are wired
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| 13:54 | <Blinny> What does /tmp/XF86Config say in the Mouse section?
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| 13:54 | er, XF86Config.1 I think
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| 13:56 | <joebob777as7_> Blinny, on thin client?
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| 13:58 | <Blinny> Yeah. I'm not so hip on LTSP5 but on my 4.2 box the XF86Config is built and is available in the console on the client
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| 13:58 | <joebob777as7_> ok i'm giong to enable console on client and check
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| 14:08 | <joebob777as7_> Blinny, fixed it. i had to create an lts.conf file and it worked fine...
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| 14:08 | <Blinny> joebob777as7_: Good!
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| 14:11 | <lns> All, I posted in forums.ubuntu.org regarding getting VNC over GDM working correctly with LTSP/inetd. Is there somewhere this can be put in the LTSP docs/wiki? I think a lot of people could benefit from it. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3489584#post3489584
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| 15:31 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Hi, Jim...
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| 15:33 | jammcq: Do you have a fuse-source package to Debian Etch? Or a ltsp-server-pkg-debian of LTSP 4.2 that doesn't deppend of fuse-source?
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| 15:41 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Hi, Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 15:41 | !s
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| 15:41 | <ltspbot> Guaraldo: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 17:33 | <lns_> sbalneav, are you here?
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| 17:40 | <ltspbot> lns_: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 7 hours, 58 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <sbalneav> out of sessions, maybe
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| 17:41 | <lns_> Has anyone had any luck with the Firefox pixmap/X11 crash workaround involving the ldm script and lts.conf? I just implemented the supposed workaround but it doesn't seem to be making any diff... the whole session keeps locking up :(
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| 17:42 | reference: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg32094.html
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| 17:44 | ahh crap I think i know what it is.... *hold music*
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| 17:52 | ok... this firefox bug needs to be centralized, I had multiple fixes from multiple mailing lists, and the variables are different in some... we gotta centralize =)
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| 18:06 | looks like it works well though...firefox crashes, but that's expected - the thin client doesn't lock up now when too many pixmaps are cached on the thin-client.
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| 18:06 | <ltspbot> lns_: lns was last seen in #ltsp 3 hours, 55 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <lns> All, I posted in forums.ubuntu.org regarding getting VNC over GDM working correctly with LTSP/inetd. Is there somewhere this can be put in the LTSP docs/wiki? I think a lot of people could benefit from it. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3489584#post3489584
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