IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 19 September 2018 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:24 | <alkisg> vagrantc, eh, I think you overwrote the launchpad mirror instead of pushing to upstream in github :/
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| 05:27 | Ah and you didn't pull master, you pulled master-4
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| 05:43 | Hmm actually our branches are chaotic, /me tries to introduce some order...
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> vagrantc, so... epoptes upstream = on github. And, there are 3 repositories on launchpad
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| 14:40 | lp:epoptes (https://code.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/+git/epoptes-upstream-mirror) is a git mirror from upstream, to be used for building packages,
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| 14:40 | https://code.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/epoptes is a bzr mirror from upstream, just for launchpad to get the .pot for translations,
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| 14:40 | and https://code.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/exported-translations is where the translations are exported, and we should regularly pick them up from there and merge them manually to github.
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| 14:41 | If/when launchpad gets to support git-based translations, we can remove the 2nd one of them there
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| 14:42 | Btw, I think the major reason for moving to github was "to get more merge request", I think we actually had more in launchpad :)
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| 14:42 | * alkisg deleted all of the launchpad ones though | |
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| 15:53 | <alkisg> ogra: how hard would it be for me to upload new ltsp versions to ubuntu backports (e.g. bionic-backports)? Does it have too much bureaucracy?
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| 15:55 | Aaah it needs to be in cosmic first. Meh, I'll need to wait for the dd-series. :/
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| 15:56 | <ogra> alkisg, well, you could create a snap of ltsp-server-standalone (i have been pondering that for a long time in fact but didnt find the spare time) ...
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> ogra: afaik snap aren't suitable for system services
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| 15:57 | <ogra> then you only need to maintain one single ltsp package for all ubuntu releases
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| 15:57 | HUH ?
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| 15:57 | thats their main purose
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| 15:57 | *purpose
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> They run in a sandbox, so we couldn't run services in them, listening below 1024 etc
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| 15:57 | <ogra> you totally can
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| 15:57 | they have initially been designed for server stuff
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> Is e.g. dnsmasq available in a snap?
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| 15:57 | <ogra> (well actually IoT ... but thats just a cut down server)
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| 15:58 | you can bundle it
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> I can't say I like the idea :/
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| 15:58 | <ogra> snaps are like metapackages with multiple services inside
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| 15:58 | <alkisg> What if the user has the real dnsmasq installed
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| 15:58 | A lot of conflicts there
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| 15:58 | <||cw> can snaps have services that run as root?
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| 15:58 | <ogra> yeah, that might conflict ...
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| 15:59 | ||cw, yes, in fact they cant have services that run not as root thanks to the kernel confinement they use
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| 15:59 | * alkisg actually starts all his ubuntu installations by purging snapd... | |
| 15:59 | <ogra> (unlike containers otr so they only utilize in-kernel sandboxing features)
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| 16:00 | i'm actually switching all my SW i maintain to snaps simply because thats the direct counterpart to a PPA with a metapackage ... but release independent
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> Windows users can have a lot of .net frameworks co installed. The same could be done in Linux with a specific set of package dependencies. So my package would depend on qt4/java6/whatever, and get that. I'm not sure why the whole dependency-based model needs to be replaced...
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| 16:02 | <ogra> it doesnt get replaced
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> Fix packaging so that multiple versions are allowed, sure, but reinvent the wheel... why.
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| 16:03 | <ogra> nobody is taking away debs
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| 16:03 | snaps are an extension to that model
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| 16:03 | for software you want to maintain out of archive
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> Eh, I already have a hard time packaging for 1234 different distros.Now flatpaks and snaps and the other one I forget, I'll need 110% of my development time there
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| 16:04 | Alternatives aren't always a good thing, they come with their own shortcomings
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| 16:04 | <ogra> well, as long as they are improving ...
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| 16:04 | you only maintain a single snap to run on all LTSes from 14.04 tpo 18.04
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> True, but sometimes some ideas don't sound like improvements,that's all I'm saying
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| 16:04 | <ogra> with all the same dependencies
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> It'd be best if I was able to do this with a deb. Then I wouldn't need additional work for a snap.
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| 16:05 | That idea,I'd surely approve :)
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| 16:05 | <highvoltage> hey ogra and alkisg
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Hey highvoltage, long time no hear! :)
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| 16:05 | <highvoltage> (just nice seeing your names on my screen again and want to say hi :) )
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> +1!
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| 16:06 | <ogra> hey highvoltage !
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> Hey vagrantc, have a look at irclogs, I've tried to cleanup the launchpad epoptes repositories a bit
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| 17:33 | In short we never push to launchpad, but we pull the translations from epoptes-translations
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| 17:48 | <vagrantc> !irc
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| 17:48 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'irc', but I do know about these similar topics: 'irclogs'
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| 17:48 | <vagrantc> !irclogs
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| 17:48 | <ltsp> irclogs: This channel is logged, archives are available at http://irclogs.ltsp.org
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| 17:49 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i definitely only pushed to github
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| 17:50 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yeah, something in my browser cache made me jump to wrong conclusions
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| 17:50 | Sorry about that
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| 17:50 | I haven't pushed to launchpad either though
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| 17:50 | So I'm not sure how you ended up without the last 4 commits
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| 17:50 | Maybe you didn't pull recently?
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| 17:51 | In any case it's not an issue as I'm building directly from master for the PPAs
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| 17:52 | <vagrantc> the commits post 1.0.0 were not on github
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| 17:52 | neither in my git branch after i pulled, nor in the web interface
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| 17:52 | they're there now, though
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| 17:53 | alkisg: should we merge the translations and the few bugfixes and release 1.0.1 ?
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| 17:53 | <alkisg> (08:52:03 μμ) vagrantc: the commits post 1.0.0 were not on github ==> truly strange
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| 17:53 | We don't have the translations yet; I just updated the environment
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| 17:54 | We'd need to push the .pot in github, wait for translators, then pull the .po
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| 17:54 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 17:54 | still, the bugfixes?
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> I'm also thinking of reworking the "relaunch on failure" logic, so it might be worth it to wait a month or so and release all those together
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| 17:54 | <vagrantc> ok
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> How are things with Buster?
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| 17:54 | Can we still get those in, in e.g. a month or so?
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| 17:55 | <vagrantc> overall, it worked fine ... there was something with broadcasts that didn't work
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| 17:55 | i think we've got till end-of-year ... certainly end-of-november
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| 17:56 | <alkisg> Great, no hurry then, we can release in a month or so
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| 17:57 | <vagrantc> right
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| 17:57 | by switching to python3 we ended up caught up in a transition, but hopefully that won't cause too much problem
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| 17:58 | i think there's a python 3.6 -> 3.7 work in progress in debian right now ... but oh well
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| 19:24 | hrm. i think sata on jtk1b may just be dead.
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| 19:24 | oops
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| 19:54 | <alkisg> Netboot it instead :P
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| 20:00 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 22:49 | <elaurencio> Hi, I am Ernesto and I want help about usb printer in fat client using ltsp
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| 22:49 | Anybody try this solution??
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